Scott Walker WI governor vs the Packers & teachers (2 Viewers)

[snogger]

Should be interesting to see how the Unions get their teachers out of this one

Tuesday night, the Hudson, Wisconsin Board of Education announced punishments for teachers who called in sick on February 18, forcing their schools to close, at the height of the protests over Gov. Scott Walker's anti-union measure.

According to The Hudson Star-Observer Board president Barb VanLoenen read a resolution, which passed unanimously, announcing unpaid suspensions of up to 15 days. All the teachers will receive letters of reprimand and a warning will be added to their personnel files. The longer suspensions were issued to teachers "who encouraged colleagues to call in sick and who conducted or discussed union business or talked to the media on district property."

Deputy Superintendent Nancy Sweet said more details about the number of teachers in each category and what the district's investigation uncovered would be available at a later time.

On Feb. 18, the district was unable to find enough substitute teachers to replace those who had called in sick, forcing the closures.

WI School Board Punishes Teachers Who Called In Sick During Protests

 

[snogger]

One of the 3 lawsuits have been dismissed..

This was the "easy" one as, per the ruling:

Dane county and its officers lack standing to bring constitutional challenges.

The District Attorney has explicit statutory authority to enforce the open meetings law, Dane County does not.

Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi on Thursday dismissed the lawsuit filed by Democratic Dane County Executive Kathleen Falk saying she does not have standing to bring the action. The judge says state law forbids an agency or arm of government like a county to challenge the constitutionality of state laws.

Nice start, but still have a way to go before she rules on the main challenge.Sumi dismisses one of three lawsuits over union bill

 

[Statorama]

Tea Party Rally 4/16 at the Capitol

I'm telling my wife we're going there for opening day of the Farmers Market

Just added to the bill....America's Governor Sarah Palin

 

[snogger]

As I mentioned before my wife works for the local school district.

The other day, 15 teachers were given "possible" layoff notices.

The explanation from the School board is that with Walkers Budget cuts, and the collective Bargaining bill stuck in limbo they have no choice then to prepare for layoffs to help cover the loss in revenue that would have been covered with the Collective Bargaining bill.

One of the teachers came up to my wife about the layoffs to which my wife responded:

be careful what you wish for

What she really thought about saying was:You saved your precious Collective Bargaining, for now, but what good does it do you if you are out of work??

Here is the story from our local paper

Despite the hope that the district wouldn’t have to layoff any teachers, the New Richmond School Board approved 15 final non-renewal notices at its work session on April 11.

The initial approval of Gov. Scott Walker’s proposed budget repair bill gave the district hope of keeping all of its teachers, said Morrie Veilleux, district administrator. Now that the bill is tied up in the courts and it’s unknown whether it will actually be signed into law, the district was forced to make a decision without knowing what the future holds.

Teacher salaries and benefits make up about 74 percent of the budget, Veilleux said. If the budget repair bill does not pass and things aren’t changed in regards to collective bargaining, the district cannot afford to keep all of its teachers, he said.

“The bottom line is that we need to have options should the bill not become law,” Veilleux said.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

The union thuggery tour has moved on to Washington

Looks like the "goody-bag" is being taken away there too

Buses began arriving at the Capitol hours before the noon rally, carrying musicians, iron workers, firefighters and others

Tea Party Rally 4/16 at the Capitol

I'm telling my wife we're going there for opening day of the Farmers Market

Just added to the bill....America's Governor Sarah Palin

Tea Party members and their leaders, like Sarah "Reload" Palin, are always thoughtful peaceful activists. Union protesters are always thugs.

 

[snogger]

The union thuggery tour has moved on to Washington

Looks like the "goody-bag" is being taken away there too

Buses began arriving at the Capitol hours before the noon rally, carrying musicians, iron workers, firefighters and others

Tea Party Rally 4/16 at the Capitol

I'm telling my wife we're going there for opening day of the Farmers Market

Just added to the bill....America's Governor Sarah Palin

 

[ElGatoLoco]

The union thuggery tour has moved on to Washington

Looks like the "goody-bag" is being taken away there too

Buses began arriving at the Capitol hours before the noon rally, carrying musicians, iron workers, firefighters and others

Tea Party Rally 4/16 at the Capitol

I'm telling my wife we're going there for opening day of the Farmers Market

Just added to the bill....America's Governor Sarah Palin

I just sayin' let's not overgeneralize anybody.

 

[Statorama]

Now that union noise has been muted, people learning the good news about Walker's plan

I sent Scott Walker to Madison to fix things, and by golly, he's doing it.

The property tax bill on the typical Wisconsin home would rise by less than 1% annually over the next two years under Gov. Scott Walker’s proposed budget, the Legislature’s nonpartisan budget office reported Friday.

The Legislative Fiscal Bureau also said Walker’s plan would put the state’s finances in the best shape they’ve been in for more than 15 years.

It found the so-called structural deficit – the imbalance between spending and tax revenue as laid out in state law – for the 2013-’15 budget would be $31 million. That assumes Walker’s budget passes the Legislature without new spending increases or tax cuts that would add to the deficit.

Under its existing form, Walker’s budget leaves the state with a fraction of the structural deficits seen in the past eight budget cycles. The next lowest structural deficit in recent years was $1.5 billion, or 48 times as much as what Walker’s proposing.

 

[Shtaym Syek]

Now that union noise has been muted, people learning the good news about Walker's plan

I sent Scott Walker to Madison to fix things, and by golly, he's doing it.

The property tax bill on the typical Wisconsin home would rise by less than 1% annually over the next two years under Gov. Scott Walker’s proposed budget, the Legislature’s nonpartisan budget office reported Friday.

The Legislative Fiscal Bureau also said Walker’s plan would put the state’s finances in the best shape they’ve been in for more than 15 years.

It found the so-called structural deficit – the imbalance between spending and tax revenue as laid out in state law – for the 2013-’15 budget would be $31 million. That assumes Walker’s budget passes the Legislature without new spending increases or tax cuts that would add to the deficit.

Under its existing form, Walker’s budget leaves the state with a fraction of the structural deficits seen in the past eight budget cycles. The next lowest structural deficit in recent years was $1.5 billion, or 48 times as much as what Walker’s proposing.

I have to say, this is pretty good news.

 

[Darrinll40]

Not Wisconsin, but this is funny.http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2011/04/27/house_votes_to_limit_bargaining_on_health_care/

The Boston GlobeHouse votes to restrict unionsMeasure would curb bargaining on health careRobert J. Haynes, president of the Massachusetts AFL-CIO, said the union would fight the legislation “to the bitter end.” Robert J. Haynes, president of the Massachusetts AFL-CIO, said the union would fight the legislation “to the bitter end.” (M. McDonald for The Boston Globe)By Michael LevensonGlobe Staff / April 27, 2011House lawmakers voted overwhelmingly last night to strip police officers, teachers, and other municipal employees of most of their rights to bargain over health care, saying the change would save millions of dollars for financially strapped cities and towns. The 111-to-42 vote followed tougher measures to broadly eliminate collective bargaining rights for public employees in Ohio, Wisconsin, and other states. But unlike those efforts, the push in Massachusetts was led by Democrats who have traditionally stood with labor to oppose any reduction in workers’ rights.Unions fought hard to stop the bill, launching a radio ad that assailed the plan and warning legislators that if they voted for the measure, they could lose their union backing in the next election. After the vote, labor leaders accused House Speaker Robert A. DeLeo and other Democrats of turning their backs on public employees.“It’s pretty stunning,’’ said Robert J. Haynes, president of the Massachusetts AFL-CIO. “These are the same Democrats that all these labor unions elected. The same Democrats who we contributed to in their campaigns. The same Democrats who tell us over and over again that they’re with us, that they believe in collective bargaining, that they believe in unions. . . . It’s a done deal for our relationship with the people inside that chamber.’’“We are going to fight this thing to the bitter end,’’ he added. “Massachusetts is not the place that takes collective bargaining away from public employees.’’The battle now turns to the Senate, where President Therese Murray has indicated that she is reluctant to strip workers of their right to bargain over their health care plans.DeLeo said the House measure would save $100 million for cities and towns in the upcoming budget year, helping them avoid layoffs and reductions in services. He called his plan one of the most significant reforms the state can adopt to help control escalating health care costs.“By spending less on the health care costs of municipal employees, our cities and towns will be able to retain jobs and allot more funding to necessary services like education and public safety,’’ he said in a statement.Last night, as union leaders lobbied against the plan, DeLeo offered two concessions intended to shore up support from wavering legislators.The first concession gives public employees 30 days to discuss changes to their health plans with local officials, instead of allowing the officials to act without any input from union members. But local officials would still, at the end of that period, be able to impose their changes unilaterally.The second concession gives union members 20 percent of the savings from any health care changes for one year, if the unions object to changes imposed by local officials. The original bill gave the unions 10 percent of the savings for one year.

 

[jonessed]

Good for Mass. There is a point where public unions and public welfare collide and a lot of states are at that point. CA is going in the opposite direction and slashing schools, public services to keep pensions and public contracts intact.

 

[snogger]

The Wisconsin Supreme Court said Wednesday it would hear arguments in June over whether a judge had the authority to block implementation of Gov. Scott Walker's proposal taking away collective bargaining rights from nearly all state workers

Republican legislative leaders said earlier Wednesday that if the courts have not ruled on the legality of the collective bargaining bill passed earlier this year by early June, it will be added into the state budget by the Joint Finance Committee.

Scott Fitzgerald said voting again on the issue may attract protesters back to the Capitol, but it won't change the votes of Republicans who supported the proposal before.

"It would be political suicide to switch your vote on that bill," he said.

Wisconsin Supreme Court to hear arguments in lawsuit over collective bargaining bill

 

[snogger]

One update and another story that, IMO, ties in.

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Election_Staff_OKs_4_Recall_Petitions_121578854.html

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Election_Staff_OKs_4_Recall_Petitions_121578854.htmlhttp://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Election_Staff_OKs_4_Recall_Petitions_121578854.htmlFour Wisconsin GOP senators are a step closer to recall elections after state officials validated thousands of signatures.

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Election_Staff_OKs_4_Recall_Petitions_121578854.htmlGovernment Accountability Board staff recommended the board certify petitions asking for recalls of Sens. Randy Hopper of Fond du Lac, Dan Kapanke of La Crosse, Sheila Harsdorf of River Falls and Luther Olsen of Ripon.If the board certifies the petitions, all four elections would likely be held on July 12, barring further legal challenges.

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Election_Staff_OKs_4_Recall_Petitions_121578854.htmlSix GOP senators and three Democrats are in line for recall elections for their opposition or support of Republican Gov. Scott Walker's bill curtailing collective bargaining rights for most public employees. Both parties have challenged the petitions.The board is expected to make a decision on the Kapanke, Hopper and Olsen challenges at its May 23 meeting.

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Election_Staff_OKs_4_Recall_Petitions_121578854.html
http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Election_Staff_OKs_4_Recall_Petitions_121578854.html

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Wisconsin_Election_Staff_OKs_4_Recall_Petitions_121578854.htmlThe big part is "barring further legal challenges".. I expect this to drag out.. and for the Democrats I think they will want it to drag out a bit.. which leads me to the 2nd story:

UW-Madison Move Out Begins this Week

Going to be difficult to get the turn out they desire from the College voters when they are enjoying Summer vacation.

 

[snogger]

I'm shocked I tell you.. Just outright

Madison - A Dane County judge has struck down Gov. Scott Walker's legislation repealing most collective bargaining for public employees.

In a 33-page decision issued Thursday, Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi said she would freeze the legislation because GOP lawmakers on a committee broke the state's open meetings law in passing it March 9.

The legislation limits collective bargaining to wages for all public employees in Wisconsin except for police and firefighters.

"It's what we were looking for," said Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne, a Democrat.

Ozanne sued to block the law after Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D-Kenosha) filed a complaint saying that GOP legislative leaders had not given proper notice in convening a conference committee of lawmakers from both houses to approve Walker's budget-repair bill.

A spokesman for state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen and the state Department of Justice could not be reached immediately for comment on the decision. A spokesman for Walker also could not be immediately reached.

In the decision, Sumi appeared to be bracing for an outcry from Republicans and supporters of the law, noting that judges are supposed to apply the law even if their decisions will be "controversial or unpopular." Sumi writes that Ozanne showed by "clear and convincing evidence" that the open meetings law had been violated.

"This decision explains why it is necessary to void the legislative actions flowing from those violations," wrote Sumi, who was appointed to the bench by former GOP Gov. Tommy Thompson.

But the issue is far from settled. The state Supreme Court has scheduled arguments for June 6 on whether to take over the case.

"It's not over yet. I'm positive of that," Ozanne said. "The supremes are the supremes. They can do what they want."

GOP lawmakers also have said they would consider passing the law a second time as part of the 2011-'13 state budget if it was necessary to ensure that it takes effect.

next up, as Ozanne stated "The supremes are the supremes"

 

[dparker713]

I'm shocked I tell you.. Just outright

Madison - A Dane County judge has struck down Gov. Scott Walker's legislation repealing most collective bargaining for public employees.

In a 33-page decision issued Thursday, Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi said she would freeze the legislation because GOP lawmakers on a committee broke the state's open meetings law in passing it March 9.

The legislation limits collective bargaining to wages for all public employees in Wisconsin except for police and firefighters.

"It's what we were looking for," said Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne, a Democrat.

Ozanne sued to block the law after Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D-Kenosha) filed a complaint saying that GOP legislative leaders had not given proper notice in convening a conference committee of lawmakers from both houses to approve Walker's budget-repair bill.

A spokesman for state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen and the state Department of Justice could not be reached immediately for comment on the decision. A spokesman for Walker also could not be immediately reached.

In the decision, Sumi appeared to be bracing for an outcry from Republicans and supporters of the law, noting that judges are supposed to apply the law even if their decisions will be "controversial or unpopular." Sumi writes that Ozanne showed by "clear and convincing evidence" that the open meetings law had been violated.

"This decision explains why it is necessary to void the legislative actions flowing from those violations," wrote Sumi, who was appointed to the bench by former GOP Gov. Tommy Thompson.

But the issue is far from settled. The state Supreme Court has scheduled arguments for June 6 on whether to take over the case.

"It's not over yet. I'm positive of that," Ozanne said. "The supremes are the supremes. They can do what they want."

GOP lawmakers also have said they would consider passing the law a second time as part of the 2011-'13 state budget if it was necessary to ensure that it takes effect.

next up, as Ozanne stated "The supremes are the supremes"

Really seems like a political question and something that should just be punted by the courts.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'm shocked I tell you.. Just outright

Madison - A Dane County judge has struck down Gov. Scott Walker's legislation repealing most collective bargaining for public employees.

In a 33-page decision issued Thursday, Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi said she would freeze the legislation because GOP lawmakers on a committee broke the state's open meetings law in passing it March 9.

The legislation limits collective bargaining to wages for all public employees in Wisconsin except for police and firefighters.

"It's what we were looking for," said Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne, a Democrat.

Ozanne sued to block the law after Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D-Kenosha) filed a complaint saying that GOP legislative leaders had not given proper notice in convening a conference committee of lawmakers from both houses to approve Walker's budget-repair bill.

A spokesman for state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen and the state Department of Justice could not be reached immediately for comment on the decision. A spokesman for Walker also could not be immediately reached.

In the decision, Sumi appeared to be bracing for an outcry from Republicans and supporters of the law, noting that judges are supposed to apply the law even if their decisions will be "controversial or unpopular." Sumi writes that Ozanne showed by "clear and convincing evidence" that the open meetings law had been violated.

"This decision explains why it is necessary to void the legislative actions flowing from those violations," wrote Sumi, who was appointed to the bench by former GOP Gov. Tommy Thompson.

But the issue is far from settled. The state Supreme Court has scheduled arguments for June 6 on whether to take over the case.

"It's not over yet. I'm positive of that," Ozanne said. "The supremes are the supremes. They can do what they want."

GOP lawmakers also have said they would consider passing the law a second time as part of the 2011-'13 state budget if it was necessary to ensure that it takes effect.

next up, as Ozanne stated "The supremes are the supremes"

Really seems like a political question and something that should just be punted by the courts.

I'm coming at this from a position of ignorance, but it seems to me (based only on this article) that the decision was a procedural one. How the heck is that a political question? It seems to be that a procedural issue with the enactment of law is pretty much the definition of a situation when you'd want the judiciary to act.

 

[squistion]

I'm shocked I tell you.. Just outright

Madison - A Dane County judge has struck down Gov. Scott Walker's legislation repealing most collective bargaining for public employees.

In a 33-page decision issued Thursday, Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi said she would freeze the legislation because GOP lawmakers on a committee broke the state's open meetings law in passing it March 9.

The legislation limits collective bargaining to wages for all public employees in Wisconsin except for police and firefighters.

"It's what we were looking for," said Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne, a Democrat.

Ozanne sued to block the law after Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D-Kenosha) filed a complaint saying that GOP legislative leaders had not given proper notice in convening a conference committee of lawmakers from both houses to approve Walker's budget-repair bill.

A spokesman for state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen and the state Department of Justice could not be reached immediately for comment on the decision. A spokesman for Walker also could not be immediately reached.

In the decision, Sumi appeared to be bracing for an outcry from Republicans and supporters of the law, noting that judges are supposed to apply the law even if their decisions will be "controversial or unpopular." Sumi writes that Ozanne showed by "clear and convincing evidence" that the open meetings law had been violated.

"This decision explains why it is necessary to void the legislative actions flowing from those violations," wrote Sumi, who was appointed to the bench by former GOP Gov. Tommy Thompson.

But the issue is far from settled. The state Supreme Court has scheduled arguments for June 6 on whether to take over the case.

"It's not over yet. I'm positive of that," Ozanne said. "The supremes are the supremes. They can do what they want."

GOP lawmakers also have said they would consider passing the law a second time as part of the 2011-'13 state budget if it was necessary to ensure that it takes effect.

next up, as Ozanne stated "The supremes are the supremes"

Really seems like a political question and something that should just be punted by the courts.

I'm coming at this from a position of ignorance, but it seems to me (based only on this article) that the decision was a procedural one. How the heck is that a political question? It seems to be that a procedural issue with the enactment of law is pretty much the definition of a situation when you'd want the judiciary to act.

Yes, they didn't conform with the specifications of the state's open meetings law, the requisite notice provision was not adhered to - that is a cut-and-dried procedural issue.

 

[snogger]

Yes, they didn't conform with the specifications of the state's open meetings law, the requisite notice provision was not adhered to - that is a cut-and-dried procedural issue.

The "specifications of the state's open meetings law" is the question. One side says they posted the meeting notice on the Board two hours prior to the vote. The others argue that it was posted something like 5 minutes after the hour and the vote happened on the hour.Basically, they are over minutes.I always disliked the way they went about the vote itself. Should have just given the 24 hour notice and dealt with the interruption of the protest. It would be over and done with now, rather than dragging it out.I have stated since the vote that I thought they should have turned around as soon as there was a challenge and declared "We are voting on this tomorrow" but only after they passed a law forbidding lawmakers from running away to another state.. There is a Very good possibility the whole fiasco is going to replay itself coming up late June/ early July. It will be VERY interesting to see when the planned budget vote is expected, if they add the collective Bargaining part back into the budget and if the recall elections have happened or not by then.

 

[jonessed]

I'm shocked I tell you.. Just outright

Madison - A Dane County judge has struck down Gov. Scott Walker's legislation repealing most collective bargaining for public employees.

In a 33-page decision issued Thursday, Dane County Circuit Judge Maryann Sumi said she would freeze the legislation because GOP lawmakers on a committee broke the state's open meetings law in passing it March 9.

The legislation limits collective bargaining to wages for all public employees in Wisconsin except for police and firefighters.

"It's what we were looking for," said Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne, a Democrat.

Ozanne sued to block the law after Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D-Kenosha) filed a complaint saying that GOP legislative leaders had not given proper notice in convening a conference committee of lawmakers from both houses to approve Walker's budget-repair bill.

A spokesman for state Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen and the state Department of Justice could not be reached immediately for comment on the decision. A spokesman for Walker also could not be immediately reached.

In the decision, Sumi appeared to be bracing for an outcry from Republicans and supporters of the law, noting that judges are supposed to apply the law even if their decisions will be "controversial or unpopular." Sumi writes that Ozanne showed by "clear and convincing evidence" that the open meetings law had been violated.

"This decision explains why it is necessary to void the legislative actions flowing from those violations," wrote Sumi, who was appointed to the bench by former GOP Gov. Tommy Thompson.

But the issue is far from settled. The state Supreme Court has scheduled arguments for June 6 on whether to take over the case.

"It's not over yet. I'm positive of that," Ozanne said. "The supremes are the supremes. They can do what they want."

GOP lawmakers also have said they would consider passing the law a second time as part of the 2011-'13 state budget if it was necessary to ensure that it takes effect.

next up, as Ozanne stated "The supremes are the supremes"

Really seems like a political question and something that should just be punted by the courts.

I'm coming at this from a position of ignorance, but it seems to me (based only on this article) that the decision was a procedural one. How the heck is that a political question? It seems to be that a procedural issue with the enactment of law is pretty much the definition of a situation when you'd want the judiciary to act.

I believe the issue is with the judge trying to stop the legislation from even becoming law. Judges stay laws all the time. They generally don't try and mix themselves up in the middle of an ongoing legislative process though.This ruling was pretty much a slam dunk. Sumi played her cards some time ago. She wasn't going to suddenly reverse course.

 

[snogger]

This ruling was pretty much a slam dunk. Sumi played her cards some time ago. She wasn't going to suddenly reverse course.

and why I posted my back when she said she'd give her decision in late May.There was no chance she was going to decide to allow this to pass. Delaying the decision was "politics as usual".

 

[TobiasFunke]

I believe the issue is with the judge trying to stop the legislation from even becoming law. Judges stay laws all the time. They generally don't try and mix themselves up in the middle of an ongoing legislative process though.

This ruling was pretty much a slam dunk. Sumi played her cards some time ago. She wasn't going to suddenly reverse course.

Can you explain this? I assume the law had passed both houses of the legislature and been signed by the governor, otherwise the matter would not be ripe for review. If so, how is that "the middle of an ongoing legislative process"?

 

[Statorama]

I believe the issue is with the judge trying to stop the legislation from even becoming law. Judges stay laws all the time. They generally don't try and mix themselves up in the middle of an ongoing legislative process though.

This ruling was pretty much a slam dunk. Sumi played her cards some time ago. She wasn't going to suddenly reverse course.

Can you explain this? I assume the law had passed both houses of the legislature and been signed by the governor, otherwise the matter would not be ripe for review. If so, how is that "the middle of an ongoing legislative process"?

She prevented it from being signed into law by the governor.

 

[jonessed]

I believe the issue is with the judge trying to stop the legislation from even becoming law. Judges stay laws all the time. They generally don't try and mix themselves up in the middle of an ongoing legislative process though.

This ruling was pretty much a slam dunk. Sumi played her cards some time ago. She wasn't going to suddenly reverse course.

Can you explain this? I assume the law had passed both houses of the legislature and been signed by the governor, otherwise the matter would not be ripe for review. If so, how is that "the middle of an ongoing legislative process"?

Her original ruling actually tried to stop the legislation from ever becoming law. The governor and the legislature I believe were actually able to circumvent her stopgaps and she had to clarify the original ruling to stipulate that the legislation never become law. The legality/precedence for that is discussed quite a bit in the other thread.I don't know what this new ruling means (I think it's her third), but it was rather expected. That's how we got the huge Supreme Court election fight that made so much noise.

 

[TobiasFunke]

She prevented it from being signed into law by the governor.

I'm no expert in the Wisconsin Constitution or legal challenges to legislation generally, but yeah, that does strike me as pretty odd. If there is a legitimate question of the judiciary overstepping their bounds, why not just let him sign it and then move for injunctive relief while bringing a substantive challenge to the validity of the law? That would have the same effect without the oddness.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Sumi addresses that issue in the opinion. Wisconsin's open meetings law gives courts the authority to void legislative action taken in violation of the law. The constitutionality of the legislation itself was not at issue.

 

[snogger]

For a good go read some of the other postings to the story.. Like this one:

Dane County Executive Joe Parisi issued the following statement ....

While justice has been served today, I regret this battle was started in the first place with the Governor and the Legislature’s extreme actions. In Dane County, we work together with our employees to solve our problems – not against them.

or

Statement of Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller on the ruling of Dane County Judge Sumi:

Today we see the price of the Republicans’ refusing to negotiate and putting their partisan political advantage ahead of the best interests of the people of Wisconsin.

Yea, Running away to another state is "working together" and honest negotiating.

Rep. Barca responds to Judge Sumi’s permanent injunction to Act 10

“Gov. Walker cost the taxpayers by refusing to respectfully sit across the table from his employees, look them in the eye and take yes for an answer on the benefit concessions they offered.

Kind of hard to "sit across the table" when you runaway to another state and hide.

 

[TobiasFunke]

For a good go read some of the other postings to the story.. Like this one:

Dane County Executive Joe Parisi issued the following statement ....

While justice has been served today, I regret this battle was started in the first place with the Governor and the Legislature’s extreme actions. In Dane County, we work together with our employees to solve our problems – not against them.

or

Statement of Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller on the ruling of Dane County Judge Sumi:

Today we see the price of the Republicans’ refusing to negotiate and putting their partisan political advantage ahead of the best interests of the people of Wisconsin.

Yea, Running away to another state is "working together" and honest negotiating.

Rep. Barca responds to Judge Sumi’s permanent injunction to Act 10

“Gov. Walker cost the taxpayers by refusing to respectfully sit across the table from his employees, look them in the eye and take yes for an answer on the benefit concessions they offered.

Kind of hard to "sit across the table" when you runaway to another state and hide.

Did the people in Dane County run away to another state? How about any of the employees of the state's executive branch? If not, your post makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[snogger]

For a good go read some of the other postings to the story.. Like this one:

Dane County Executive Joe Parisi issued the following statement ....

While justice has been served today, I regret this battle was started in the first place with the Governor and the Legislature’s extreme actions. In Dane County, we work together with our employees to solve our problems – not against them.

or

Statement of Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller on the ruling of Dane County Judge Sumi:

Today we see the price of the Republicans’ refusing to negotiate and putting their partisan political advantage ahead of the best interests of the people of Wisconsin.

Yea, Running away to another state is "working together" and honest negotiating.

Rep. Barca responds to Judge Sumi’s permanent injunction to Act 10

“Gov. Walker cost the taxpayers by refusing to respectfully sit across the table from his employees, look them in the eye and take yes for an answer on the benefit concessions they offered.

Kind of hard to "sit across the table" when you runaway to another state and hide.

Did the people in Dane County run away to another state? How about any of the employees of the state's executive branch? If not, your post makes absolutely zero sense.

OK, if you want to get technical.. maybe not the guy that said the first part, but Madison is in Dane county. So when you speak in terms of "Dane county works together" then you are making a broad statement of all in Dane County.

IMO, that includes those that ran away, including Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

For a good go read some of the other postings to the story.. Like this one:

Dane County Executive Joe Parisi issued the following statement ....

While justice has been served today, I regret this battle was started in the first place with the Governor and the Legislature’s extreme actions. In Dane County, we work together with our employees to solve our problems – not against them.

or

Statement of Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller on the ruling of Dane County Judge Sumi:

Today we see the price of the Republicans’ refusing to negotiate and putting their partisan political advantage ahead of the best interests of the people of Wisconsin.

Yea, Running away to another state is "working together" and honest negotiating.

Rep. Barca responds to Judge Sumi’s permanent injunction to Act 10

“Gov. Walker cost the taxpayers by refusing to respectfully sit across the table from his employees, look them in the eye and take yes for an answer on the benefit concessions they offered.

Kind of hard to "sit across the table" when you runaway to another state and hide.

Did the people in Dane County run away to another state? How about any of the employees of the state's executive branch? If not, your post makes absolutely zero sense.

OK, if you want to get technical.. maybe not the guy that said it, but Madison is in Dane county. So when you speak in terms of "Dane county works together" then you are making a broad statement of all in Dane County.

IMO, that includes those that ran away, including Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller.

Wow that is a really serious stretch there - did you warm up first?

 

[snogger]

For a good go read some of the other postings to the story.. Like this one:

Dane County Executive Joe Parisi issued the following statement ....

While justice has been served today, I regret this battle was started in the first place with the Governor and the Legislature’s extreme actions. In Dane County, we work together with our employees to solve our problems – not against them.

or

Statement of Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller on the ruling of Dane County Judge Sumi:

Today we see the price of the Republicans’ refusing to negotiate and putting their partisan political advantage ahead of the best interests of the people of Wisconsin.

Yea, Running away to another state is "working together" and honest negotiating.

Rep. Barca responds to Judge Sumi’s permanent injunction to Act 10

“Gov. Walker cost the taxpayers by refusing to respectfully sit across the table from his employees, look them in the eye and take yes for an answer on the benefit concessions they offered.

Kind of hard to "sit across the table" when you runaway to another state and hide.

Did the people in Dane County run away to another state? How about any of the employees of the state's executive branch? If not, your post makes absolutely zero sense.

OK, if you want to get technical.. maybe not the guy that said it, but Madison is in Dane county. So when you speak in terms of "Dane county works together" then you are making a broad statement of all in Dane County.

IMO, that includes those that ran away, including Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller.

Wow that is a really serious stretch there - did you warm up first?

Just my Opinion.. last I looked we are welcome to our own thoughts.

Feel free to ignore the two that didn't run away then.. But you can't ignore the one that did.. Or maybe you can??

 

[TobiasFunke]

For a good go read some of the other postings to the story.. Like this one:

Dane County Executive Joe Parisi issued the following statement ....

While justice has been served today, I regret this battle was started in the first place with the Governor and the Legislature’s extreme actions. In Dane County, we work together with our employees to solve our problems – not against them.

or

Statement of Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller on the ruling of Dane County Judge Sumi:

Today we see the price of the Republicans’ refusing to negotiate and putting their partisan political advantage ahead of the best interests of the people of Wisconsin.

Yea, Running away to another state is "working together" and honest negotiating.

Rep. Barca responds to Judge Sumi’s permanent injunction to Act 10

“Gov. Walker cost the taxpayers by refusing to respectfully sit across the table from his employees, look them in the eye and take yes for an answer on the benefit concessions they offered.

Kind of hard to "sit across the table" when you runaway to another state and hide.

Did the people in Dane County run away to another state? How about any of the employees of the state's executive branch? If not, your post makes absolutely zero sense.

OK, if you want to get technical.. maybe not the guy that said the first part, but Madison is in Dane county. So when you speak in terms of "Dane county works together" then you are making a broad statement of all in Dane County.

IMO, that includes those that ran away, including Senate Democratic Leader Mark Miller.

Congratulations, that's up there with the most preposterous things I've ever read on this board. It's like saying all of Brown County, Wisconsin is awesome at football because the Packers play there and they won the Super Bowl.

 

[sho nuff]

Congratulations, that's up there with the most preposterous things I've ever read on this board.

Oh come on!!!!

 

[TobiasFunke]

Congratulations, that's up there with the most preposterous things I've ever read on this board.

Oh come on!!!!

OK- most preposterous explanations.I assume that what Snogger actually did was conflate the fleeing members of the Wisconsin legislature with the employees of the executive branch and the local county government that the people referred to in those quotes. And then after seeing the mistake, kindly gave us a very amusing explanation instead of a correction.

 

[sho nuff]

Congratulations, that's up there with the most preposterous things I've ever read on this board.

Oh come on!!!!

OK- most preposterous explanations.I assume that what Snogger actually did was conflate the fleeing members of the Wisconsin legislature with the employees of the executive branch and the local county government that the people referred to in those quotes. And then after seeing the mistake, kindly gave us a very amusing explanation instead of a correction.

Yeah...just used their quotes for effect to take a jab at those who left.

 

[snogger]

Probably not explaining myself correctly

And probably just asking for more ridicule but here goes...

The people who ran away to another state and hid while this bill was being introduced, worked in Dane county.

Saying that those in Dane County work together, IMO, was since those that ran away worked in the county he claimed "worked together".

guess it's just me.. Nothing new there either.

 

[bueno]

everyone has to change feet now and then.

 

[Ilov80s]

Interesting here. Snyder in Michigan has been much more sly at attempting to undermine the teacher's union. It also seems like he will likely be more successful in making widespread changes to the teaching profession in Michigan.

 

[Statorama]

Interesting here. Snyder in Michigan has been much more sly at attempting to undermine the teacher's union. It also seems like he will likely be more successful in making widespread changes to the teaching profession in Michigan.

The unions put all their eggs in the Wisconsin basket. They feel if they can stymie things here, other states will be more tentative about changing things there.

 

[snogger]

Interesting here. Snyder in Michigan has been much more sly at attempting to undermine the teacher's union. It also seems like he will likely be more successful in making widespread changes to the teaching profession in Michigan.

The unions put all their eggs in the Wisconsin basket. They feel if they can stymie things here, other states will be more tentative about changing things there.

They haven't scheduled the Budget vote yet. Interesting thing is they are "still in session".

check out this link to sessions

You'll notice that Wisconsin is:

adjourned for 2011

has full-time legislators

In Special session

and

in recess

Talk about confused..

It will be interesting to see if Walker and the republicans are worried about the recall elections or not.

If they are worried they might lose enough seats to give the Democrats power then I'd expect the vote to take place before the end of June.

In the original bill they will include the collective Bargaining part. If the Democrats runaway again, they will give a 24 hour notice this time to vote just on that part.

If they feel the Recall election will have no effect on control, then they will wait to schedule the Budget vote until after the Recall elections so as to not add fuel to the fire.

I did some quick research but I wasn't able to find out if the Recall succeeds, when the newly elected person takes the seat

 

[jonessed]

Interesting here. Snyder in Michigan has been much more sly at attempting to undermine the teacher's union. It also seems like he will likely be more successful in making widespread changes to the teaching profession in Michigan.

The unions put all their eggs in the Wisconsin basket. They feel if they can stymie things here, other states will be more tentative about changing things there.

They haven't scheduled the Budget vote yet. Interesting thing is they are "still in session".

check out this link to sessions

You'll notice that Wisconsin is:

adjourned for 2011

has full-time legislators

In Special session

and

in recess

Talk about confused..

It will be interesting to see if Walker and the republicans are worried about the recall elections or not.

If they are worried they might lose enough seats to give the Democrats power then I'd expect the vote to take place before the end of June.

In the original bill they will include the collective Bargaining part. If the Democrats runaway again, they will give a 24 hour notice this time to vote just on that part.

If they feel the Recall election will have no effect on control, then they will wait to schedule the Budget vote until after the Recall elections so as to not add fuel to the fire.

I did some quick research but I wasn't able to find out if the Recall succeeds, when the newly elected person takes the seat

I thought this was pretty much decided by the Supreme Court election. Why re-vote when there is a good chance the Supreme Court upholds the law?

 

[snogger]

Here we go again:

Wisconsin Budget Panel Target Police, Fire Benefits

Newly hired police and firefighters would be forced to pay more for their health insurance and pension benefits under changes added to the state budget.

The Republican-controlled Joint Finance Committee voted early Friday morning to require any newly hired police officers or firefighters to pay 5.8 percent of their pension benefits and 12 percent of their health care costs.

That is the same as what all other public workers would be forced to pay under a bill passed earlier this year that also took away nearly all collective bargaining rights. Police and firefighters were exempt.

The committee also voted along party lines to bar police and firefighters from collectively bargaining over the design and choice of their health care plans. The cost of the plans would remain open to negotiating.

 

[snogger]

The protesting has already started, been disruptive to the process and, IMO, only a sign of things to come:

It was a heated beginning to tonight's Joint Finance Committee meeting as crowd members shouted down lawmakers who were pleading with them to stop.

More than 2 dozen people were carried out of the meeting by police.

After waiting all afternoon for the JFC to meet, an angry group of crowd members were determined not to let them start.

One after another they stood up to interrupt the meeting and have their voices heard and one after another police carried them out when they refused to leave.

For the first 20 to 30 minutes of the meeting every time a lawmaker tried to speak a member of the crowd stood up, walked to the front of the room, interrupted the meeting and was eventually carried out by police.

Lawmakers tried to talk over the top of them and carry on with the meeting. Eventually even democrats pleaded with the protesters to stop saying they were on the same side.

With protesters eventually removed and the committee able to do their work a large crowd gathered outside the JFC room singing songs and voicing their displeasure.

Many of them came from the interfaith prayer vigil which was held on the capitol steps at 7 o'clock. An organizer of that vigil says he wants to make it clear their protest was peaceful and they were not the ones inside being carried out by police.

According to Capitol Police Chief Charles Tubbs police carried out a total 25 - 30 people and as of 10 o'clock had made 2 arrests.

 

[Mario Kart]

Pathetic

 

[StrikeS2k]

Yup, but not really surprising.

 

[Topes]

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s War On Craft Beer

"But why would Walker — who calls small businesses the “backbone of our economy” and has postured himself as their champion — side with a foreign-owned mega-corporation over locally owned small brewers? It may have to do with the fact that MillerCoors, which is joint venture with foreign-owned SABMiller, donated $22,675 to his campaign."

 

[RCon]

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s War On Craft Beer

"But why would Walker — who calls small businesses the “backbone of our economy” and has postured himself as their champion — side with a foreign-owned mega-corporation over locally owned small brewers? It may have to do with the fact that MillerCoors, which is joint venture with foreign-owned SABMiller, donated $22,675 to his campaign."

Do the large breweries have to abide by the same rules? If so, I'm not sure I see the problem. Why should small breweries get privileges that the large ones don't?

 

[Jobber]

I saw a car with Wisconsin plates with a "Recall Walker" bumper sticker on it. I wanted to pull up next to the guy and ask "Hey, can we just trade governors?"

Maybe there's some sort of reciprocity in place that lets us do that. Someone should get on that.

 

[Ilov80s]

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's War On Craft Beer

"But why would Walker — who calls small businesses the "backbone of our economy" and has postured himself as their champion — side with a foreign-owned mega-corporation over locally owned small brewers? It may have to do with the fact that MillerCoors, which is joint venture with foreign-owned SABMiller, donated $22,675 to his campaign.

Do the large breweries have to abide by the same rules? If so, I'm not sure I see the problem. Why should small breweries get privileges that the large ones don't?

The large breweries already used wholesalers because they move such a massive amount of product. This isn't creating a new rule that all breweries must now follow. It is saying that all breweries must follow the gameplan that the megabreweries use- hire a middleman to sell and distribute. Ultimately, it will be ok for the craft breweries.Michigan has the same laws about wholesalers. However, it is stupid that a bar can't order beer from a brewer, but instead has to go through a middle man.

 

[timschochet]

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's War On Craft Beer

"But why would Walker — who calls small businesses the "backbone of our economy" and has postured himself as their champion — side with a foreign-owned mega-corporation over locally owned small brewers? It may have to do with the fact that MillerCoors, which is joint venture with foreign-owned SABMiller, donated $22,675 to his campaign.

Do the large breweries have to abide by the same rules? If so, I'm not sure I see the problem. Why should small breweries get privileges that the large ones don't?

The large breweries already used wholesalers because they move such a massive amount of product. This isn't creating a new rule that all breweries must now follow. It is saying that all breweries must follow the gameplan that the megabreweries use- hire a middleman to sell and distribute. Ultimately, it will be ok for the craft breweries.Michigan has the same laws about wholesalers. However, it is stupid that a bar can't order beer from a brewer, but instead has to go through a middle man.

It's also hardly the move of a guy who reveres the free market, as Walker claims to be. What business does the state have telling a private business how to go about making its purchases? Sure sounds like Walker's "conservatism" is rather selective.

 

[RCon]

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's War On Craft Beer

"But why would Walker — who calls small businesses the "backbone of our economy" and has postured himself as their champion — side with a foreign-owned mega-corporation over locally owned small brewers? It may have to do with the fact that MillerCoors, which is joint venture with foreign-owned SABMiller, donated $22,675 to his campaign.

Do the large breweries have to abide by the same rules? If so, I'm not sure I see the problem. Why should small breweries get privileges that the large ones don't?

The large breweries already used wholesalers because they move such a massive amount of product. This isn't creating a new rule that all breweries must now follow. It is saying that all breweries must follow the gameplan that the megabreweries use- hire a middleman to sell and distribute. Ultimately, it will be ok for the craft breweries.Michigan has the same laws about wholesalers. However, it is stupid that a bar can't order beer from a brewer, but instead has to go through a middle man.

It's also hardly the move of a guy who reveres the free market, as Walker claims to be. What business does the state have telling a private business how to go about making its purchases? Sure sounds like Walker's "conservatism" is rather selective.

The impression I got from the article was that the middle-man restriction existed for large breweries, and that they now imposed it on small breweries. In terms of "free-marketness", potential actions would seem to be ranked:1. Remove the restriction for all breweries.

2. Impose the restriction for small breweries to level the playing field.

3. Leave things as is.

If the article is accurate, I'd agree that number one would have been preferable. However, knowing that all politicians are going to repay donors, I don't find this a particularly egregious example.