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SD Homers - Gates with Rivers - Drop off? (1 Viewer)

The Duff Man

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Rivers is such an unknown commodity, what are thoughts on Gates having a potential dropoff?

I did not get the chance to see SD much. Is Gates option #1 in most cases or was Brees able to dump off to him after going through reads?

 
Rivers is such an unknown commodity, what are thoughts on Gates having a potential dropoff?

I did not get the chance to see SD much. Is Gates option #1 in most cases or was Brees able to dump off to him after going through reads?
I expect the major difference between Rivers and Brees to be that Rivers will throw downfield more than Brees did.I don't think that affects Gates all that much, however. Gates gets downfield just fine.

 
Disagree.

I think Brees needed Gates(and to a lesser extent Tomlinson) to make big plays after the catch. Not so with Rivers. He'll look downfield more and I think the WR's will benefeit. We knew Gates was the favorite target of Brees but we have no idea who Rivers will have chemistry with. Gates is still SD's best receiver but the difference may no longer seem as pronounced.

Slight drop off for Gates. Bump up for the WRs.

 
At least early on, I have to think that Rivers will be looking to Gates a good bit, to help boost his confidence. Quick dumps, across the middle, etc. Once he gets that confidence, I think we'll see him air it up more than Brees did. THEN we might see a drop in Gates' numbers...

 
One thing I noticed watching SD last year. Brees got Gates the ball in tight spots a lot. Tight openings Rivers won't be able to hit until much experiance is gained. So I am expecting a drop off from Gates this year. (Rookie EFFECT) How much of a drop off remains to be seen!

 
One thing I noticed watching SD last year. Brees got Gates the ball in tight spots a lot. Tight openings Rivers won't be able to hit until much experiance is gained.
I think that's fair, but you could also say that Rivers won't have to thread the needle as often as Brees because Rivers has a better arm and allows the defense less time to close.
 
This is a tuffy. At first glance you would have to say that a QB with little or no real world NFL experience would rely on the TE more. But how can Gates' production go anywhere but down with the way Brees fed the guy the ball. That was a magical couple of years for those two.

My thoughts are that Gates' numbers go down, but he will still be in the top 3 and all likelihood #1 at TE just not so clearly above the other TE's as he has been the last 2 years....

 
This is a tuffy. At first glance you would have to say that a QB with little or no real world NFL experience would rely on the TE more. But how can Gates' production go anywhere but down with the way Brees fed the guy the ball. That was a magical couple of years for those two.

My thoughts are that Gates' numbers go down, but he will still be in the top 3 and all likelihood #1 at TE just not so clearly above the other TE's as he has been the last 2 years....
Rivers is going to utilize his WRs more then Brees did. He will also use LT more as WR out of the backfield then Brees has done in the past 2 years. I don't expect LT to get near his 100 receptions of 3 years ago, but I expect his numbers to go up. Conversely I expect Gates numbers are going to suffer a dropoff, although I can't see him falling out of the top 3, he should still score plenty of TDs.
 
This is a tuffy. At first glance you would have to say that a QB with little or no real world NFL experience would rely on the TE more. But how can Gates' production go anywhere but down with the way Brees fed the guy the ball. That was a magical couple of years for those two.

My thoughts are that Gates' numbers go down, but he will still be in the top 3 and all likelihood #1 at TE just not so clearly above the other TE's as he has been the last 2 years....
Rivers is going to utilize his WRs more then Brees did. He will also use LT more as WR out of the backfield then Brees has done in the past 2 years. I don't expect LT to get near his 100 receptions of 3 years ago, but I expect his numbers to go up. Conversely I expect Gates numbers are going to suffer a dropoff, although I can't see him falling out of the top 3, he should still score plenty of TDs.
I'd agree with the WR comment, if I thought the SD WRs were worth utilizing more.Reminds me a lot of Kansas City though, Priest and Gonzo were the focus, but Kennison always did well. Green > Rivers for now, but potentially, this could look very much the same.

 
This is a tuffy. At first glance you would have to say that a QB with little or no real world NFL experience would rely on the TE more. But how can Gates' production go anywhere but down with the way Brees fed the guy the ball. That was a magical couple of years for those two.

My thoughts are that Gates' numbers go down, but he will still be in the top 3 and all likelihood #1 at TE just not so clearly above the other TE's as he has been the last 2 years....
Not to hijack, but who is the TE in New Orleans that Brees will (possibly) lock onto?
 
This is a tuffy.  At first glance you would have to say that a QB with little or no real world NFL experience would rely on the TE more.  But how can Gates' production go anywhere but down with the way Brees fed the guy the ball.  That was a magical couple of years for those two.

My thoughts are that Gates' numbers go down, but he will still be in the top 3 and all likelihood #1 at TE just not so clearly above the other TE's as he has been the last 2 years....
Not to hijack, but who is the TE in New Orleans that Brees will (possibly) lock onto?
Zach Hilton, NO, TE has shown promise. He is a big target. He is listed at 6'8", 268 lbs. He had 35 catches last year. Here is the link to NFL.com: http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396820
 
Zack Hilton, it's been mentioned plenty and you'll hear it a great deal as everyones sleeper at TE this summer.

He was coming on strong at the end of last season to begin with and I had already been targeting him as a sleeper since he had very little production the first half of the season and his overall season stats were so pedestrian.

With all the good TE's out there this year he still may drop to be a value pick up but he won't surprise anyone now that Brees has been signed.

 
Zack Hilton, it's been mentioned plenty and you'll hear it a great deal as everyones sleeper at TE this summer.

He was coming on strong at the end of last season to begin with and I had already been targeting him as a sleeper since he had very little production the first half of the season and his overall season stats were so pedestrian.

With all the good TE's out there this year he still may drop to be a value pick up but he won't surprise anyone now that Brees has been signed.
There's been a lot of talk about him since last off season, a lot more in the last month or two of the season. Search for him. You may like what you read. He was a top 10 TE the last 6 weeks, and FWIW (probably not much) did better than Gates in 2003 over the same stretch.
 
Zack Hilton, it's been mentioned plenty and you'll hear it a great deal as everyones sleeper at TE this summer.

He was coming on strong at the end of last season to begin with and I had already been targeting him as a sleeper since he had very little production the first half of the season and his overall season stats were so pedestrian.

With all the good TE's out there this year he still may drop to be a value pick up but he won't surprise anyone now that Brees has been signed.
There's been a lot of talk about him since last off season, a lot more in the last month or two of the season. Search for him. You may like what you read. He was a top 10 TE the last 6 weeks, and FWIW (probably not much) did better than Gates in 2003 over the same stretch.
Oh, I like him chances to be sure and agree he played well at the end of last season. We'll just have to see how cranked up the hype machine gets though by the summer.There may be plenty of guys calling him "the NEXT Gates!" by then, which will mean he offers very little value imo. Gates season was an anomaly from a proven player. Expecting that type of season from Hilton would be setting yourself up for a huge disappointment.

 
Not sure there will be a dropoff here. If I was a QB and Gates and LDT were on my team, I think I'd get them the ball as often as possible.

Brees figured that out, I expect Rivers won't be long to figure that out either.

 
Zack Hilton, it's been mentioned plenty and you'll hear it a great deal as everyones sleeper at TE this summer.

He was coming on strong at the end of last season to begin with and I had already been targeting him as a sleeper since he had very little production the first half of the season and his overall season stats were so pedestrian.

With all the good TE's out there this year he still may drop to be a value pick up but he won't surprise anyone now that Brees has been signed.
There's been a lot of talk about him since last off season, a lot more in the last month or two of the season. Search for him. You may like what you read. He was a top 10 TE the last 6 weeks, and FWIW (probably not much) did better than Gates in 2003 over the same stretch.
Oh, I like him chances to be sure and agree he played well at the end of last season. We'll just have to see how cranked up the hype machine gets though by the summer.There may be plenty of guys calling him "the NEXT Gates!" by then, which will mean he offers very little value imo. Gates season was an anomaly from a proven player. Expecting that type of season from Hilton would be setting yourself up for a huge disappointment.
In redrafts, probably. The hype will negate any possibility of him being a sleeper. OTOH, in a dynasty :excited: But yes, Gates is the perfect example of top RB, little or no WR, talent = top performance.

Hilton has Horn and Stallworth working against that. Even if they were equally talented, the performance isn't likely to be equal. I don't see anyone saying he's Gates jr. I do see a lot of "top 10 / 15" talk, which I agree with.

 
I know I can always rely on someone to make a wiseguy comment, and in doing so save me the trouble of doing a search.

Thanks!

It's good to be lazy...
It's easier to start an entire thread than type "Gates" into the search window? :shrug:

 
The workload will decrease because the offense is going to simplify and focus on LT. D's are also going to blitz Rivers a lot which means Gates may have to block a little more. I also expect the team as a whole to score less and struggle offensively. Which would indicate less TDs for Gates.

However San Diego is still hurting at wide receiver. Gates is far better option so he should see plenty of looks when Rivers does drop back to pass. I wouldnt expect Rivers to look at him any less than Brees did.

 
The workload will decrease because the offense is going to simplify and focus on LT. D's are also going to blitz Rivers a lot which means Gates may have to block a little more. I also expect the team as a whole to score less and struggle offensively. Which would indicate less TDs for Gates.

However San Diego is still hurting at wide receiver. Gates is far better option so he should see plenty of looks when Rivers does drop back to pass. I wouldnt expect Rivers to look at him any less than Brees did.
I've watched a fair share, although not nearly all or enough, of the Chargers games, and it occurs to me I don't think I've ever seen Gates block. :unsure:
 
I've watched a fair share, although not nearly all or enough, of the Chargers games, and it occurs to me I don't think I've ever seen Gates block. :unsure:
A TE doesnt neccessarily have to block to protect his QB from a heavy blitz. I'm just saying that much more frequent blitzing indicates a little more blocking on his part until Rivers learns to deal with it. The way team's hurt blitzing defenses is with screen plays and quick reads. A screen could be to or away from the TE's side as well as to the TE himself.
 
A TE doesnt neccessarily have to block to protect his QB from a heavy blitz. I'm just saying that much more frequent blitzing indicates a little more blocking on his part until Rivers learns to deal with it.
One thing that was evident from the Bronco game, IMO, is that Rivers is more adept than Brees at reading the blitz and getting the ball to his hot receiver quickly. That was one of Brees' few weaknesses (possibly because he lacked the height to see over the line on a three-step drop), but Rivers came in and did well with that right away.
 
Rivers will throw a lot more to LT and it will have an negative impact on Gates' numbers. I think Gates will stay the top TE, but his yardage numbers will likely go down and he probably won't get more than 10 TD's.

 

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