SEA Fans - Happy With Mora? Kicker rant. (1 Viewer)

[Koya]

Listening to his rants on the missed FGs, I can't but help to think this guy has not matured one bit since his stint with the Falcons. To be whining and focusing all the blame on a kicker - and yeah, you can't miss two FGs, but #### happens - just seems like a cop out. It appears to me not only to take any blame off his coaching staff, but any other players that messed up that day too. I find it hard to believe that Mare was the only culprit.

Man, I'd hate to work for a guy like this... if you cant live with a kickers mistakes - and they were physical, not stupid mental, mistakes - then cut him. No need to whine and ##### like a loser.

Curious if I am way off base here, if SEA fans like Mora, or if this is indeed indicitive of the guys (weak) character.

 

[sandlotshrink]

Seemed like Jr. went overboard berating his K....can't imagine a coach doing that to any of his players in the media.

 

[lyon812]

It seems like an overreaction, since Mare's made like 90% of his field goals and drills every kickoff deep into the end zone. He had a bad game, no need to make him a scapegoat.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Pretty sure if Mare is the scapegoat, that means Mora isn't. Pass the blame 101.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Link?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Blaming the kicker

 

[PatytonsGhost]

Moras are a family of tools

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Get back to me when Senica Wallace isn't the QB.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Get back to me when Senica Wallace isn't the QB.

Last season I thought he played well in several games. Last week I thought he looked bad but chalked it up to not practicing all week as the starter. This week I realize he blows. Another game like this and I am for putting the rookie in and using Seneca for trickery and other ball carrying duties. Oh, but NOT on 3rd and 1. Plenty of blame to go around for this one, first and foremost are the multitude of overthrows by Wallace (and Hass too in previous games). Every once in awhile a kicker is going to have a bad game, Mare's earned the benefit of the doubt not least of which are his kickoffs which really, really help field position.

 

[MSULions]

Link?

 

[PatytonsGhost]

Get back to me when Senica Wallace isn't the QB.

Last season I thought he played well in several games. Last week I thought he looked bad but chalked it up to not practicing all week as the starter. This week I realize he blows. Another game like this and I am for putting the rookie in and using Seneca for trickery and other ball carrying duties. Oh, but NOT on 3rd and 1. Plenty of blame to go around for this one, first and foremost are the multitude of overthrows by Wallace (and Hass too in previous games). Every once in awhile a kicker is going to have a bad game, Mare's earned the benefit of the doubt not least of which are his kickoffs which really, really help field position.

Seneca looked good today he avoided constant pressure all day, there were a bunch of drops on Seattle Carlson, he overthrew a couple but he played well today. Not sure what u guys expected out of a backup Sea QB but i think Seneca did more than his fair share to bother Chi D todayAnd Mare still had a good game points wise

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seneca looked good today

Whatever you were trying to say after you said this is fodder. He was throwing passes straight up in the air (like the one int and the one Housh amazingly caught) and everything else is usually high. He's awful, not even close to good. He should be starting for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, not on an NFL roster.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Seneca looked good today

Whatever you were trying to say after you said this is fodder. He was throwing passes straight up in the air (like the one int and the one Housh amazingly caught) and everything else is usually high. He's awful, not even close to good. He should be starting for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, not on an NFL roster.

You don't complete 59% of your passes if you're throwing them high every time.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Get back to me when Senica Wallace isn't the QB.

Last season I thought he played well in several games. Last week I thought he looked bad but chalked it up to not practicing all week as the starter. This week I realize he blows. Another game like this and I am for putting the rookie in and using Seneca for trickery and other ball carrying duties. Oh, but NOT on 3rd and 1. Plenty of blame to go around for this one, first and foremost are the multitude of overthrows by Wallace (and Hass too in previous games). Every once in awhile a kicker is going to have a bad game, Mare's earned the benefit of the doubt not least of which are his kickoffs which really, really help field position.

Seneca looked good today he avoided constant pressure all day, there were a bunch of drops on Seattle Carlson, he overthrew a couple but he played well today. Not sure what u guys expected out of a backup Sea QB but i think Seneca did more than his fair share to bother Chi D todayAnd Mare still had a good game points wise

I don't think he played well at all today. I vaguely remember JC dropping one but I thought it was poorly thrown. Schmitt is the only drop I remember and you have to expect that from a FB like him. Branch should've made a grab late in the game but the ball was high when it didn't need to be and rust is to be expected from him. Yes Seneca got away from pressure a lot, but made poor decisions and even poorer throws all game long. Almost more troubling was his demeanor and attitude on the sidelines. He looked like he didn't even want to be there, showed no loeadership qualities, enthusiasm or emotion.

 

[Chaka]

How does one tell if the kicker made a physical or mental mistake?

 

[Britney Spears]

There was a lot of talk last year how he worked with a group of "his guys" and really undermined Holmgren in a lot of ways. This caused a lot of problems with dividing the locker room apparently.

I'm not sure how much is heresay, but the more I hear from him, the less I think of him as a good leader.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seneca looked good today

Whatever you were trying to say after you said this is fodder. He was throwing passes straight up in the air (like the one int and the one Housh amazingly caught) and everything else is usually high. He's awful, not even close to good. He should be starting for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, not on an NFL roster.

You don't complete 59% of your passes if you're throwing them high every time.

You didn't watch the game, I'm sure of it. Next.

 

[Haberdasher]

Mora Jr knows the Phins and Saints already cut the guy. Maybe he is just now realizing it was for a good reason....

 

[Fennis]

Link?

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/20...houghts-thread/

 

[PatytonsGhost]

Seneca looked good today

Whatever you were trying to say after you said this is fodder. He was throwing passes straight up in the air (like the one int and the one Housh amazingly caught) and everything else is usually high. He's awful, not even close to good. He should be starting for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, not on an NFL roster.

I respect you opinion but I think Seneca is better than at least 5 QB's starting in the league right now, and he has very good mobility on top of that. He may not have won your respect but when i saw that my Bears were facing Seneca with bunch of starters out I thought this is an easy win regarless of the "12th man" hype the Seahawks and the media like to talk about. He kept the game close and he had a lot of nice chemistry with Burleson. J RusselB LefwichBrowns QB'sMiami QB'sStL Qb'sMare still had a good game FF wise, FYI Gould had trouble kicking today too, so take it for what it isMora is a tool like his father, always thinking their smarter than anyone else

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seneca looked good today

Whatever you were trying to say after you said this is fodder. He was throwing passes straight up in the air (like the one int and the one Housh amazingly caught) and everything else is usually high. He's awful, not even close to good. He should be starting for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, not on an NFL roster.

I respect you opinion but I think Seneca is better than at least 5 QB's starting in the league right now, and he has very good mobility on top of that. He may not have won your respect but when i saw that my Bears were facing Seneca with bunch of starters out I thought this is an easy win regarless of the "12th man" hype the Seahawks and the media like to talk about. He kept the game close and he had a lot of nice chemistry with Burleson. J RusselB LefwichBrowns QB'sMiami QB'sStL Qb'sMare still had a good game FF wise, FYI Gould had trouble kicking today too, so take it for what it isMora is a tool like his father, always thinking their smarter than anyone else

I'd take Quinn or Anderson over Wallace and probably Boller but he might be better than Leftwich and he is definitely better than Russel. I don't usually complain or blame one particular player but the Seahawks would have easily won today with Hasselbeck and there is just too big a drop from him to Wallace. The jump pass to Housh, the underthrow on 4th down intended for Carlson but caught by Owens (carlson would have gotten it down to the 10 or so), and the pass on 4th down to end the game were enough for me. He had some good passes to Burleson but almsot everything else was 5 and 7 yards flips or screens. he should have had an 80 percent completion rate, they drew up a pretty simple game plan.

 

[Britney Spears]

Mora on TV right now, and says (paraphrased) "His kickoffs were great, but the bottom line is, he's paid to make FG's."

He's really piling on.

 

[Chaka]

Mora on TV right now, and says (paraphrased) "His kickoffs were great, but the bottom line is, he's paid to make FG's."He's really piling on.

Isn't Mora is paid to win games?

 

[PatytonsGhost]

Mora on TV right now, and says (paraphrased) "His kickoffs were great, but the bottom line is, he's paid to make FG's."He's really piling on.

He's in fool tool mode, wish I could hear it

 

[ImTheScientist]

I like him. Its not his fault the team sucks. They are trying to rebuild without rebuilding and its not working. Just not enough talent all around.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Seneca looked good today

Whatever you were trying to say after you said this is fodder. He was throwing passes straight up in the air (like the one int and the one Housh amazingly caught) and everything else is usually high. He's awful, not even close to good. He should be starting for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, not on an NFL roster.

I respect you opinion but I think Seneca is better than at least 5 QB's starting in the league right now, and he has very good mobility on top of that. He may not have won your respect but when i saw that my Bears were facing Seneca with bunch of starters out I thought this is an easy win regarless of the "12th man" hype the Seahawks and the media like to talk about. He kept the game close and he had a lot of nice chemistry with Burleson. J RusselB LefwichBrowns QB'sMiami QB'sStL Qb'sMare still had a good game FF wise, FYI Gould had trouble kicking today too, so take it for what it isMora is a tool like his father, always thinking their smarter than anyone else

I'd take Quinn or Anderson over Wallace and probably Boller but he might be better than Leftwich and he is definitely better than Russel. I don't usually complain or blame one particular player but the Seahawks would have easily won today with Hasselbeck and there is just too big a drop from him to Wallace. The jump pass to Housh, the underthrow on 4th down intended for Carlson but caught by Owens (carlson would have gotten it down to the 10 or so), and the pass on 4th down to end the game were enough for me. He had some good passes to Burleson but almsot everything else was 5 and 7 yards flips or screens. he should have had an 80 percent completion rate, they drew up a pretty simple game plan.

I disagree. Hasselbeck would have been sacked more than Wallace was. I HATE Hasselbeck and can't wait for the day they replace him. He's horrible. Not going to win a super bowl for you thats for sure. The Hawks are not the type of team that will "punch you in your mouth". They are all finesse and have been since Holmgren was here. Someday we will get a tough coach in here and a GM with the balls to take on players that will punch someone in the mouth.

 

[gheemony]

Mare made 4 of 6 today, including two beyond 40 yards. Maybe Mora should tell the offense to do a better job of finding the end zone so the kicker doesn't have to score 18 points for the team.

I am Seahawks fan, and very disappointed in how Mora handled this.

 

[seahawk 17]

I was really pissed Seattle lost today, except fot the fact every other team in the division lost too, so who cares?

If we are laying blame though....

1. SW was horrible...dumb throws, and worse he can run and didn't. (Outside the pocket and throw an INT at the 10 yard line )

2. Housh talks #### all week and then fumbles and leads to 17 unanswered points!

3. Knapp calls a reverse on 3rd and 1!

4. Replay calls non fumble?

5. Million dollar kicker misses 2 field goals. :X

I have not heard Mora's comments but if true you had better cut him tomorrow to make a point and bring back Coutu.

In the end though, no harm no foul...everybody in the NFC West lost, one game back with 13 to go.

 

[stevegamer]

I'd take Quinn or Anderson over Wallace and probably Boller but he might be better than Leftwich and he is definitely better than Russel. I don't usually complain or blame one particular player but the Seahawks would have easily won today with Hasselbeck and there is just too big a drop from him to Wallace. The jump pass to Housh, the underthrow on 4th down intended for Carlson but caught by Owens (carlson would have gotten it down to the 10 or so), and the pass on 4th down to end the game were enough for me. He had some good passes to Burleson but almost everything else was 5 and 7 yards flips or screens. he should have had an 80 percent completion rate, they drew up a pretty simple game plan.

I don't blame Wallace for this. That pass would have been fine if it had gotten to Carlson, but the route design had 2 TE's runinng at different depths, and Owens made a nice athletic play. it wasn't ahigh pass to Owens, it was a on-target pass to Carlson that Owens happened to grab.Unfortunately we saw the good & bad with Seneca today - tipped balls, high throws, but able to avoid pressure. He had acouple time he could've run, but didn't I really think he needs to do that more - trying to make him into a pocket passer when that's not his strength won't end well.

 

[Koya]

Mora on TV right now, and says (paraphrased) "His kickoffs were great, but the bottom line is, he's paid to make FG's."

He's really piling on.

He's in fool tool mode, wish I could hear it

That's pretty much what I saw in the earlier interviews.

 

[Koya]

Mare made 4 of 6 today, including two beyond 40 yards. Maybe Mora should tell the offense to do a better job of finding the end zone so the kicker doesn't have to score 18 points for the team.I am Seahawks fan, and very disappointed in how Mora handled this.

Thanks ghee. Did not know if I was being too critical, but his interviews just struck such a negative vibe with me.

 

[Jack Burton]

I was really pissed Seattle lost today, except fot the fact every other team in the division lost too, so who cares?If we are laying blame though....1. SW was horrible...dumb throws, and worse he can run and didn't. (Outside the pocket and throw an INT at the 10 yard line )2. Housh talks #### all week and then fumbles and leads to 17 unanswered points! 3. Knapp calls a reverse on 3rd and 1! 4. Replay calls non fumble? 5. Million dollar kicker misses 2 field goals. :X I have not heard Mora's comments but if true you had better cut him tomorrow to make a point and bring back Coutu.In the end though, no harm no foul...everybody in the NFC West lost, one game back with 13 to go.

I agree with most of this especially 1,3,&4. The fact is there is a lot of blame to go around but the pick by Wallace at the 13 yard line and the reverse fumble call ultimately gave the Bears the win. Mare has his share of the blame but I think Mora is taking the low road here in laying most the blame at his feet.

 

[ScottyDog]

Seahawk fan here. I am very upset about Mora's comments. As stated before, there were so many reasons the Hawks lost. I think Mora took the easy way out by throwing his kicker under the bus. I thought Mora was a stand up guy but I have now lost a lot of respect.

 

[BigTuna]

I was really pissed Seattle lost today, except fot the fact every other team in the division lost too, so who cares?If we are laying blame though....1. SW was horrible...dumb throws, and worse he can run and didn't. (Outside the pocket and throw an INT at the 10 yard line )2. Housh talks #### all week and then fumbles and leads to 17 unanswered points! 3. Knapp calls a reverse on 3rd and 1! 4. Replay calls non fumble? 5. Million dollar kicker misses 2 field goals. :X I have not heard Mora's comments but if true you had better cut him tomorrow to make a point and bring back Coutu.In the end though, no harm no foul...everybody in the NFC West lost, one game back with 13 to go.

I agree with most of this especially 1,3,&4. The fact is there is a lot of blame to go around but the pick by Wallace at the 13 yard line and the reverse fumble call ultimately gave the Bears the win. Mare has his share of the blame but I think Mora is taking the low road here in laying most the blame at his feet.

I was at the game, haven't heard his comments, but I'll add one to your list. The trick plays Mora seems to be intent on running. Especially the one on 3rd and 1 that blew up in their face. Had he just ran jones or edge we may have gotten that win. And as far as the blaming the kicker goes - it is lame. The seahawks are very banged up, going with a back up qb. Wallace is a back up too. He's got some talent, but those side arm throws, and wobbling ducks on the run, is why he's a back up. If he was a little more smart about his play he might be a starter. But the way he plays he is going to cost them games. He cost them this game as much, if not more, than the kicker. I assumed they were going to lose this game and was plesantly surprised when they gave them a good game. Bottom line: this season is probably lost for the hawks. When hasselbeck made that dumb ### decision to scramble. he basically cost them the season. He'll come back - gimped. Be in and out of the lineup all season long. As all gimped qb's do. with wallace coming off the bench cold. Spells 6-10 season to me folks. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But things won't get better for the hawks anytime soon. And a note to Mora, if you don't want your kicker to cost you games, GET INTO THE ENDZONE MORE OFTEN! If you line up your kicker for fg attempts 6 times a game, he is going to decide the games. Win or lose, just like a qb at that point.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

If everyone made their field goals today, the Seahawks still would have lost.

 

[Bri]

throwing K under the bus was far more common in late 80s early 90s-plenty of coaches did.

IIRC Parcells had 3-4 kickers one year

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Seneca looked good today

Whatever you were trying to say after you said this is fodder. He was throwing passes straight up in the air (like the one int and the one Housh amazingly caught) and everything else is usually high. He's awful, not even close to good. He should be starting for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders, not on an NFL roster.

I respect you opinion but I think Seneca is better than at least 5 QB's starting in the league right now, and he has very good mobility on top of that. He may not have won your respect but when i saw that my Bears were facing Seneca with bunch of starters out I thought this is an easy win regarless of the "12th man" hype the Seahawks and the media like to talk about. He kept the game close and he had a lot of nice chemistry with Burleson. J RusselB LefwichBrowns QB'sMiami QB'sStL Qb'sMare still had a good game FF wise, FYI Gould had trouble kicking today too, so take it for what it isMora is a tool like his father, always thinking their smarter than anyone else

I'd take Quinn or Anderson over Wallace and probably Boller but he might be better than Leftwich and he is definitely better than Russel. I don't usually complain or blame one particular player but the Seahawks would have easily won today with Hasselbeck and there is just too big a drop from him to Wallace. The jump pass to Housh, the underthrow on 4th down intended for Carlson but caught by Owens (carlson would have gotten it down to the 10 or so), and the pass on 4th down to end the game were enough for me. He had some good passes to Burleson but almsot everything else was 5 and 7 yards flips or screens. he should have had an 80 percent completion rate, they drew up a pretty simple game plan.

I disagree. Hasselbeck would have been sacked more than Wallace was. I HATE Hasselbeck and can't wait for the day they replace him. He's horrible. Not going to win a super bowl for you thats for sure. The Hawks are not the type of team that will "punch you in your mouth". They are all finesse and have been since Holmgren was here. Someday we will get a tough coach in here and a GM with the balls to take on players that will punch someone in the mouth.

What? 10 seasons, 6 playoff appearances and a SB appearance. Punching people in the mouth is overrated.

 

[gradin123]

I find it funny that after Week#1 Mora Sr. was one of the vocal critics of Jay Cutler for not being a LEADER and taking accountability for the Week#1 loss in the postgame press conference.

So is Mora Sr. going to criticize his son now for not taking accountability?

To me that seemed like a forced rant by Mora Jr. He knows that he is on the verge of losing the players already after Week#3 and he used the kicker as a scapegoat because he didn't want to admit that his players are just not talented enough to be a good team. Yes, the Seahawks are dealing with a lot of injuries but a lot of those injuries were predictable.

Going into this season they attempted to patch up some holes instead of really addressing the big picture of where the team is heading. Ruskell is a bad GM, plain and simple. The Housh signing wasn't a good one. I didn't know Housh was such a malcontent until now. The dude is a clown but I guess the attention Ochco Cinco got in Cincy hid that fact. They should have drafted Sanchez instead of Curry. The LB position wasn't even there biggest problem on defense last year, Curry still may be a good player but he needs to be because the Seahawks overpaid him badly.

Right now the Seahawks are a poorly run organization heading nowhere and they have a no class coach at the helm.