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biju
Footballguy
Didn't figure you'd actually want to own up to that comment. It's because you have zero merit behind it. I actually don't care what you say about me, the Seahawks, or anything else for that matter. Keep on talking though--it's helping your case.
There's no trolling here. I have seen you, ITS, and Sweeney stink up this board for some time with your blind. You 3 for the most part ruin it for the rest of the Seahawk fans. I'm not going to go back and find quotes because, well, I don't really care if you don't want to own up to it. You simply were outplayed yesterday. Penalties aren't why you lost. It's amusing to see excuses rather than you admit your team didn't play a better game than your opponent.
And, it's very well documented on this board what team I'm a huge fan of. My team is in the media spotlight more than I'd like. They are 5-0. While I love that fact and the fact that we've turned our defense around, I'll remain silently confident at this time as it's way to early in the season to boast and brag. I just want to have home field in the playoffs as I don't think anyone will beat us at home.....including the Seahawks. And I'll admit that I wouldn't want to play Seattle at home. If all of this constitutes me being a tool, so be it. But, the fact is that it doesn't. You're just acting like my 5 year old niece.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
What in the hell are you talking about? You've lost me in your childish rant. Maybe you should back away from the keyboard and take a few deep breaths.Didn't figure you'd actually want to own up to that comment. It's because you have zero merit behind it. I actually don't care what you say about me, the Seahawks, or anything else for that matter. Keep on talking though--it's helping your case.
There's no trolling here. I have seen you, ITS, and Sweeney stink up this board for some time with your blind
And, it's very well documented on this board what team I'm a huge fan of. My team is in the media spotlight more than I'd like. They are 5-0. While I love that fact and the fact that we've turned our defense around, I'll remain silently confident at this time as it's way to early in the season to boast and brag. I just want to have home field in the playoffs as I don't think anyone will beat us at home.....including the Seahawks. And I'll admit that I wouldn't want to play Seattle at home. If all of this constitutes me being a tool, so be it. But, the fact is that it doesn't. You're just acting like my 5 year old niece.
Hooper31
Footballguy
This was the request Sprout. You won't find that post. Again, I think you're unfairly labeling other Seattle fans with ITS's insane ramblings.
proninja
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I think you should be looking to the playoffs at this point, yeah. Not sure I could stomach starting anyone over Seattle D though.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
GB has picked it up after a slow first 2 weeks. You get MIN in week 12 (Seattle's bye) and ATL week 14. They also will be getting 2 LBs back very soon.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
How are Seattle DST owners looking at the ASF, @NYG, and (h) vs ARI closing schedule?
Especially curious about the SF game vs K'nick, can they repeat what they did in SEA?
Especially curious about the SF game vs K'nick, can they repeat what they did in SEA?
biju
Footballguy
The method they used to keep Kaepernick confused I believe still applies. I'm also not concerned about NYG at all. ARI is playing well, but if they end up out of it by then they are more prone to giving up than many teams.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I just thought I would throw a note out here about Byron Maxwell. - I admit I had not heard much of him before the Saints game, and what research I did led me to conclude that he was under-experienced and didn't come with much of a pedigree, and so maybe with rose colored glasses I hoped that he would be a liability at least vs the Saints.
Obviously not so, that was wishful thinking. He fits into that Seahawks defense really well. These DBs all play with great technique and Maxwell is no exception. I got to watch a lot of the Giants/Hawks game in the noon slot yesterday and he looked great.
I'd really like to know what anyone thinks that the liabilities are or could be on this defense. I think the worst thing I've seen develop is Wright go out, he was another guy I was impressed by in the Saints game, fast, mobile LB, but at this point I'm going to guess the Seahawks have just had someone else waiting in the wings. I did not see who was in there vs the Giants but the results speak for themselves.
I've held the Seahawks defense since draft day so I've gotten to see quite a bit of them. The whole defense swarms, I like the way they play, it's great football. People had better start talking about whether this defense belongs with the past 2000 Ravens defense, the Killer B's and great SB winning defenses like that.
Do they belong in that conversation? They just might.
Obviously not so, that was wishful thinking. He fits into that Seahawks defense really well. These DBs all play with great technique and Maxwell is no exception. I got to watch a lot of the Giants/Hawks game in the noon slot yesterday and he looked great.
I'd really like to know what anyone thinks that the liabilities are or could be on this defense. I think the worst thing I've seen develop is Wright go out, he was another guy I was impressed by in the Saints game, fast, mobile LB, but at this point I'm going to guess the Seahawks have just had someone else waiting in the wings. I did not see who was in there vs the Giants but the results speak for themselves.
I've held the Seahawks defense since draft day so I've gotten to see quite a bit of them. The whole defense swarms, I like the way they play, it's great football. People had better start talking about whether this defense belongs with the past 2000 Ravens defense, the Killer B's and great SB winning defenses like that.
Do they belong in that conversation? They just might.
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Hooper31
Footballguy
I agree that they "might", but that's not a conversation that can be had until the season is over.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
awesome time for a monster game
This is a great topic, but people will never come to a consensus that they deserve to be in the same conversation. I saw a post somewhere with the teams' stats lined up next to each other and Seattle is close to those defenses, but you just can't judge based on the stats. The defensive rules are so much different than they used to be that the offense has huge advantage over the defense in today's version of the NFL.
PainTrain
Footballguy
Nah... you can make the argument that they are the best this season, but Carolina is close in yards, and very close in points, and KC has more takeaways. They are 9th in sacks, and 10th in first downs per play. The Seahawks are very good, but to be in that best ever conversation, they'd need to establish some distance between what they are doing compared to the rest of the league this season.
A great article here by a NEW YORK paper, NOT A SEATTLE PAPER, that puts into context how the Seattle defense stacks up into todays pass happy/pass enabling league. If the Hawks win the Super Bowl this year, they can be counted as one of the best in history according to this author.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/18/sports/football/seahawks-pass-defense-thrives-in-a-tough-environment.html?smid=tw-share
As the passing revolution overtakes the N.F.L., football fans have become immune to the avalanche of falling records. Teams are averaging 239 passing yards per game and completing 61.3 percent of passes, metrics that would be single-season records. Peyton Manning is on a pace to break the single-season record for passing yards and passing touchdowns, and there was discussion last week that he was not even the most valuable player in the league. Josh Gordon set records for receiving yards in a two-, three- and four-game stretch this season, and the Cleveland Browns lost each of those games. You can forgive fans for not being impressed by gaudy passing numbers when Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Nick Foles starts the season with 19 touchdowns and no interceptions.
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The top 25 pass defenses since 1970, as measured by standard deviations above N.F.L. average using Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt as the base statistic.
The flip side to the eye-popping passing numbers is that pass defense numbers look worse than ever. The rules changes that have made life easier for offenses have made the game more challenging for pass defenses. Consider that in 1973 the Miami Dolphins allowed 92 passing yards per game, a modern-day record that will not be broken in the current passing environment. All statistics must be judged in the context of their era; under that light, the Seahawks’ pass defense looks to be one of the best in history.
Seattle ranks No. 1 in passing yards allowed and in interceptions, a feat that has been accomplished only three times in the N.F.L. Two of those teams won championships that season (the 2002 Buccaneers and the 1963 Bears), while the third (the 1982 Dolphins) lost in the Super Bowl. Seattle has allowed only 14 touchdown passes, tied for second with Carolina and only one behind Tennessee for the league lead. Pro Football Focus ranks the Seahawks’ pass rush as the best in the N.F.L., and Seattle has one of the most talented and deepest defensive lines in football.
But the strength of the Seahawks is in the secondary. Safeties Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor are Pro Bowl players having great seasons, while cornerback Richard Sherman should be a first-team All-Pro selection for the second year in a row. As a result, opponents are left having to throw short passes in hopes of moving the ball. The Seahawks are allowing 9.9 yards per completion and 4.8 yards per pass attempt: both figures lead all pass defenses.
There is no question that Seattle has the best pass defense in the N.F.L., but how does it compare to other teams in modern history? First, we need to combine the main pass statistics into one category. The preferred approach is the advanced statistic Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt, which is similar to team passing yards per attempt (including sack yards lost in the numerator and sacks in the denominator), but adds 20 yards for each passing touchdown and subtracts 45 yards for each interception.
The league average Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt this season is 5.97, which would also be an N.F.L. record. (The previous high was 5.93, set last season.) The Seahawks have allowed just 3.40 ANY/A, easily the best in the league (San Francisco and Carolina are second and third at 4.62 and 4.73). But since the ANY/A league average has been rising for years, we cannot just compare Seattle to teams of yesteryear. We also need to measure how far from the league average each pass defense has performed.
The simplest way to measure deviation from the average is to measure the standard deviation among all pass defenses in the N.F.L. In 2013, the standard deviation of the ANY/A ratings of the 32 teams is 0.93. As a result, Seattle’s pass defense is 2.76 standard deviations above the 2013 mean of 5.97. If the Seahawks can maintain that level of dominance, it will rank as the fourth best season since 1970.
By this method, the top pass defense was fielded by Tampa Bay in 2002, the year the Buccaneers won the Super Bowl. In 2002, Tampa Bay allowed 2.34 Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt; that season, the league average was 5.35 and the standard deviation was again 0.93. As a result, the Tampa Bay pass defense was 3.22 standard deviations better than average. In the postseason, the Buccaneers allowed just three touchdowns while scoring four touchdowns on interception returns.
The second best defense was posted by the 1988 Vikings, who produced an ANY/A rating that was 3.21 standard deviations above the mean. Seattle Coach Pete Carroll is likely to remember that team well, as he was Minnesota’s defensive backs coach that season. Only one other pass defense, that of the 1970 Vikings, was farther from the mean than the current Seahawks.
In addition to the 2002 Buccaneers, the famous 1985 Bears and 1974 Steelers also rank high on the list of best pass defenses since 1970. While a look at the raw numbers would indicate that the Seahawks’ defense cannot compare to the great defenses of yesteryear, that is only because the modern N.F.L. environment is skewed heavily toward the pass. After adjusting for era, the Seahawks’ pass defense is only a Super Bowl championship away from being considered one of history’s best.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/18/sports/football/seahawks-pass-defense-thrives-in-a-tough-environment.html?smid=tw-share
As the passing revolution overtakes the N.F.L., football fans have become immune to the avalanche of falling records. Teams are averaging 239 passing yards per game and completing 61.3 percent of passes, metrics that would be single-season records. Peyton Manning is on a pace to break the single-season record for passing yards and passing touchdowns, and there was discussion last week that he was not even the most valuable player in the league. Josh Gordon set records for receiving yards in a two-, three- and four-game stretch this season, and the Cleveland Browns lost each of those games. You can forgive fans for not being impressed by gaudy passing numbers when Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Nick Foles starts the season with 19 touchdowns and no interceptions.
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The flip side to the eye-popping passing numbers is that pass defense numbers look worse than ever. The rules changes that have made life easier for offenses have made the game more challenging for pass defenses. Consider that in 1973 the Miami Dolphins allowed 92 passing yards per game, a modern-day record that will not be broken in the current passing environment. All statistics must be judged in the context of their era; under that light, the Seahawks’ pass defense looks to be one of the best in history.
Seattle ranks No. 1 in passing yards allowed and in interceptions, a feat that has been accomplished only three times in the N.F.L. Two of those teams won championships that season (the 2002 Buccaneers and the 1963 Bears), while the third (the 1982 Dolphins) lost in the Super Bowl. Seattle has allowed only 14 touchdown passes, tied for second with Carolina and only one behind Tennessee for the league lead. Pro Football Focus ranks the Seahawks’ pass rush as the best in the N.F.L., and Seattle has one of the most talented and deepest defensive lines in football.
But the strength of the Seahawks is in the secondary. Safeties Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor are Pro Bowl players having great seasons, while cornerback Richard Sherman should be a first-team All-Pro selection for the second year in a row. As a result, opponents are left having to throw short passes in hopes of moving the ball. The Seahawks are allowing 9.9 yards per completion and 4.8 yards per pass attempt: both figures lead all pass defenses.
There is no question that Seattle has the best pass defense in the N.F.L., but how does it compare to other teams in modern history? First, we need to combine the main pass statistics into one category. The preferred approach is the advanced statistic Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt, which is similar to team passing yards per attempt (including sack yards lost in the numerator and sacks in the denominator), but adds 20 yards for each passing touchdown and subtracts 45 yards for each interception.
The league average Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt this season is 5.97, which would also be an N.F.L. record. (The previous high was 5.93, set last season.) The Seahawks have allowed just 3.40 ANY/A, easily the best in the league (San Francisco and Carolina are second and third at 4.62 and 4.73). But since the ANY/A league average has been rising for years, we cannot just compare Seattle to teams of yesteryear. We also need to measure how far from the league average each pass defense has performed.
The simplest way to measure deviation from the average is to measure the standard deviation among all pass defenses in the N.F.L. In 2013, the standard deviation of the ANY/A ratings of the 32 teams is 0.93. As a result, Seattle’s pass defense is 2.76 standard deviations above the 2013 mean of 5.97. If the Seahawks can maintain that level of dominance, it will rank as the fourth best season since 1970.
By this method, the top pass defense was fielded by Tampa Bay in 2002, the year the Buccaneers won the Super Bowl. In 2002, Tampa Bay allowed 2.34 Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt; that season, the league average was 5.35 and the standard deviation was again 0.93. As a result, the Tampa Bay pass defense was 3.22 standard deviations better than average. In the postseason, the Buccaneers allowed just three touchdowns while scoring four touchdowns on interception returns.
The second best defense was posted by the 1988 Vikings, who produced an ANY/A rating that was 3.21 standard deviations above the mean. Seattle Coach Pete Carroll is likely to remember that team well, as he was Minnesota’s defensive backs coach that season. Only one other pass defense, that of the 1970 Vikings, was farther from the mean than the current Seahawks.
In addition to the 2002 Buccaneers, the famous 1985 Bears and 1974 Steelers also rank high on the list of best pass defenses since 1970. While a look at the raw numbers would indicate that the Seahawks’ defense cannot compare to the great defenses of yesteryear, that is only because the modern N.F.L. environment is skewed heavily toward the pass. After adjusting for era, the Seahawks’ pass defense is only a Super Bowl championship away from being considered one of history’s best.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
How are we feeling about the ARI game at home???
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General Tso
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Cardinals have actually been doing pretty well recently in terms of not turning the ball over, preventing sacks, etc. In 4 of their last 5 games they've been very good - the exception being the Philly game a few weeks ago.
One thing I look at in evaluation team defense is what the flow of the game is likely to be like - thought being that a lot of running the ball means low potential for turnovers and low defensive points. With that in mind I think Seattle is going to have a gameplan around throwing the ball since ARI is best in the NFL against the run. So I could see it becoming a pass-happy game with a lot of plays from scrimmage and the potential for a lot of turnovers. Hope I am wring because I am going up against the Seattle defense.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I'm going with the Hawks no matter what but Fitz being out will make me feel a lot better.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
don't see how you can bench the seattle D, they destroyed the saints at home and coming off a shutout and monster points vs NYG
biju
Footballguy
Always concerned with games against division rivals. That being said, I expect Arizona to get pumped up for the game early and once defeat sets in it could end as another blow out. Since this one is for HFA I expect the crowd to be into it regardless of score. If Fitzgerald isn't available and Palmer is gimpy it could get ugly quick.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
LawFitz
Footballguy
John Skelton starting this week?Raider Nation said:
proninja
Footballguy
He didn't say it was likely, he said he was hopefulJohn Skelton starting this week?Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Palmer does a great Skelton impersonation when he gets pressured.John Skelton starting this week?Raider Nation said:
Interseptopus
Footballguy
How awesome would that be. I wouldn't even need the rest of my team!Raider Nation said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yeah, I'll like a Cards loss, but what's notable there is that the Cards under Skelton were bad but they weren't 58-0 bad. Things can snowball there.Palmer does a great Skelton impersonation when he gets pressured.John Skelton starting this week?Raider Nation said:
