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Secession petitions now filed for all 50 states (1 Viewer)
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Gr00vus
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Yep, seems like a 40 year old soul sale to let Republicans have a shot at the Presidency is now coming home to roost.
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Joe T
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Joe T
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Joe T
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no, they're just the best at it.
Mark Davis
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And you know this because?
Guess we know you two have been drinking the Fox News :koolaid: OH YEAH!
ETA: They don't come much crazier than the kooks in the Tea Party...holding up banners telling government to keep their hands off MY medicare!
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Politician Spock
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If they save ten empty packs of cherry, they'll get a free Frisbee!Guess we know you two have been drinking the Fox News :koolaid: OH YEAH!
Mark Davis
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Guess we know you two have been drinking the Fox News :koolaid: OH YEAH!
Hang out with al-Qaeda awhile and then come back and let us know how that goes.Aw, *I* want a frisbee too! If I pledge allegiance to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh instead of joining the Tea Party and bemoaning all those 47 percenters (who are mostly senior citizens, the non-lazy unemployed, and military personnel), will that get me a little plastic? Or do I need to reduce my contributions to the Socialist Muslim Brotherhood Party of Non-Native Born Americans (aka the Obama campaign), get off my lazy butt, and go buy one at the store?If they save ten empty packs of cherry, they'll get a free Frisbee!Guess we know you two have been drinking the Fox News :koolaid: OH YEAH!
Politician Spock
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You just need five empty packs of grape.Aw, *I* want a frisbee too! If I pledge allegiance to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh instead of joining the Tea Party and bemoaning all those 47 percenters (who are mostly senior citizens, the non-lazy unemployed, and military personnel), will that get me a little plastic? Or do I need to reduce my contributions to the Socialist Muslim Brotherhood Party of Non-Native Born Americans (aka the Obama campaign), get off my lazy butt, and go buy one at the store?If they save ten empty packs of cherry, they'll get a free Frisbee!Guess we know you two have been drinking the Fox News :koolaid: OH YEAH!
Heck, most people (Tea Party "patriots") in my Sunday evening Bible study already think I have...spending a week in the Middle East in September meeting and socializing with Emirati, Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Saudis, etc. Cuz you know...they have brownish/olive colored skin, black hair, and worship Allah. Which NATURALLY means they're terrorists.Guess we know you two have been drinking the Fox News :koolaid: OH YEAH!
Going back the first of the year too. As long as I don't "accidentally" do any backpacking along the Iranian border, I should be good. Especially since folks over there are smart enough to realize that you don't #### (make trouble) where you eat (keep a ton of your money). 
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dparker713
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Sorry, the offer only applies to the entire population of a state, including people currently receiving benefits.We? You making policy these days? If so please sign me up for your social security offer. I know the petition stuff is nonsense but I'll take care of my own finances, TIA. By the way, I love your country. I just love it for the freedom it gives me, not for the entitlements.Oh, and we'll want all our military assets first too.Funny how people are claiming people will miss things when they leave, when it's those things that are their motivation for wanting to leave.
dparker713
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Problem wouldnt be the confederacy staying out of other countries' business, it would be other countries staying out of the confederacy's business.And with it continue being the world's police force. The seceding states will be more than happy staying out of other countries business.Oh, and we'll want all our military assets first too.
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bentley
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Wait a minute, here. I love secession as much as the next guy but there's no way I'm going for it if we have to drag around the rest of the deadbeat south.
Apple Jack
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I think you mean we broke up and then the chick wouldn't get out of my house!We tried to break up once before. The North just couldn't understand it was over.
Apple Jack
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We need a Mexico border and I love New Mexico and California, so they're out. I suppose I could live with Arizona. Arizona it is.
NutterButter
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Nah, the only reason there's deadbeats in the south is b/c of the federal government. Once the big, bad federal government is out of the equation, all those deadbeats will magically disappear.
GoFishTN
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Why are we deadbeats?
Politician Spock
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It will be convenient for our country to live right next door to the world police station then.I'm sure you won't send us the bill for your military services, given no other country in the world pays for it either.Problem wouldnt be the confederacy staying out of other countries' business, it would be other countries staying out of the confederacy's business.And with it continue being the world's police force. The seceding states will be more than happy staying out of other countries business.Oh, and we'll want all our military assets first too.
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bakes
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I think it's the "macaroni and cheese is a vegetable" menu thing.
17seconds
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David Frum is the voice of reason. The wingnuts need to listen to this guy.
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You're not. You are listening to folks from the party of both tolerance and segregation
rockaction
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Oh God. Seriously?eta* FWIW, nobody in the Tea Party has made an artistic or fantastical threat to shoot the President, unlike the borderline fascination with shooting Bush in the aughts.
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rockaction
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My bad, you edited. Imagine the deranged mind that goes out and signs an admittedly silly petition. Clearly the next step is a bullet, right?
rockaction
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Yes, please more Frum and Brooks. And more No Labels, too. I find it funny that every opposition party wants the other party to listen to the part of the party that agrees with the opposition about their own party's extremity.'17seconds said:
Mark Davis
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Not a ton of CA, PA, or OH guys on the last 3 BCS Championship rosters. A few FL guys. Amazingly the people in the south are so prejudiced and racist a large majority of African American athletes choose to stay in the south to play. My ex girlfriend was from central PA and having been there for extended periods quite a few times I can assure you the racists here had nothing on that bunch up there.You do know that the blue states would get California, Penn, Ohio, and depending on who's dong the counting, Florida.'Mark Davis said:You could, but then our pro football teams would own yours like a little b****.'NutterButter said:
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Jules Manson, as one of many-many-MANY. More than many. Which to me is treason. But why I hammer folks in the Tea Party SOOOOO hard is that a lot of people will actually defend these nut-jobs as being "patriots." In the name of God, no less! I personally hope every last one of those supposed "Christians" who will drop the n-bomb and call for folks to assassinate any of our leaders burn in hell. A nice, SLOW burn. So it takes a few trillion years of absolute agony before the real fun begins.
rockaction
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So one guy posts some dumb #### on the internet, and the next step is a likely assassination? I remember there were entire books dedicated to the fascination of assassinating Bush. The fervidity on both sides is extreme, given our almost religious fascination with politics. But not many people would ascribe assassination motives to an entire political movement. Nobody thought all anti-Iraq war demonstrators were out to kill the President, nor were they even the most likely to do so. Chances are, somebody who shoots the President will likely be a Loughner type -- a mentally unstable person who hears voices and the like. Not some fool who signs a secession petition at some misguided political rally.eta* My main point is, is that for every wingnut on one side is a wingnut on the other, and the demonstrability that some sort of Tea Party affiliation is more likely to make one more likely to assassinate Obama is dubious at best, and it's even more dubious to make a claim that membership or sympathy would be causative in some way.Google.com down?
eta2* My other main thought is that nobody is going to shoot Obama, heated rhetoric or not, and that the chances are even more likely that the person who actually might do something atrocious like that will not be rational nor coherent enough to be a valuable player, significant member, or sympathizer of any large movement like the one that is the Tea Party.
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Actually, your point was: "nobody in the Tea Party has made an artistic or fantastical threat to shoot the President, unlike the borderline fascination with shooting Bush in the aughts."Here's another one for you...you know, to further make your point: http://www.the-richmonder.com/2010/03/tea-party-member-makes-death-threat.htmlSo one guy posts some dumb #### on the internet, and the next step is a likely assassination? I remember there were entire books dedicated to the fascination of assassinating Bush. The fervidity on both sides is extreme, given our almost religious fascination with politics. But not many people would ascribe assassination motives to an entire political movement. Nobody thought all anti-Iraq war demonstrators were out to kill the President, or even the most likely to do so. Chances are, somebody who shoots the President will likely be a Loughner type -- a mentally unstable person who hears voices and the like. Not some fool who signs a secession petition at some misguided political rally.eta* My main point is, is that for every wingnut on one side is a wingnut on the other, and the demonstrability of some sort of Tea Party affiliation is dubious at best, and certainly not causative.Google.com down?
Words are powerful tools...or powerful weapons. We all need to choose them carefully. As for me? I'll continue to state, for the record, that I believe violent radicals within the Tea Party pose a far, FAR greater threat to the safety of Obama and other elected officials than al-Qaeda. Primarily because they (American citizens) do not need to pass through any security or show any IDs/passports to either enter the country or freely move anywhere inside of it...along with the fact that many of them are (or easily can be) heavily armed.
Sprinkle in JUST enough hate, racism, classism, economic hardship, whatever, and it wouldn't take much to imagine one of these nut-jobs firing off a few rounds. Scares the daylights out of me, in fact. And the fact that Obama is probably as/more safe traveling abroad than he is moving within certain parts of our own nation absolutely disgusts me. As an American...NOT as a "Democrat" (for which I am not).
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rockaction
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Yeah, nobody ever made a threat or urged anyone to drop Bush. This is stupid. Forget the Fox News Kool-Aid, you've drank The Ed Show Kool-Aid. If it scares the daylights out of you, you're scared of everything.Actually, your point was: "nobody in the Tea Party has made an artistic or fantastical threat to shoot the President, unlike the borderline fascination with shooting Bush in the aughts."Here's another one for you...you know, to further make your point: http://www.the-richmonder.com/2010/03/tea-party-member-makes-death-threat.htmlSo one guy posts some dumb #### on the internet, and the next step is a likely assassination? I remember there were entire books dedicated to the fascination of assassinating Bush. The fervidity on both sides is extreme, given our almost religious fascination with politics. But not many people would ascribe assassination motives to an entire political movement. Nobody thought all anti-Iraq war demonstrators were out to kill the President, or even the most likely to do so. Chances are, somebody who shoots the President will likely be a Loughner type -- a mentally unstable person who hears voices and the like. Not some fool who signs a secession petition at some misguided political rally.eta* My main point is, is that for every wingnut on one side is a wingnut on the other, and the demonstrability of some sort of Tea Party affiliation is dubious at best, and certainly not causative.Google.com down?
Words are powerful tools...or powerful weapons. We all need to choose them carefully. As for me? I'll continue to state, for the record, that I believe violent radicals within the Tea Party pose a far, FAR greater threat to the safety of Obama and other elected officials than al-Qaeda. Primarily because they (American citizens) do not need to pass through any security or show any IDs/passports to either enter the country or freely move anywhere inside of it...along with the fact that many of them are (or easily can be) heavily armed.
Sprinkle in JUST enough hate, racism, classism, economic hardship, whatever, and it wouldn't take much to imagine one of these nut-jobs firing off a few rounds. Scares the daylights out of me, in fact. And the fact that Obama is probably as/more safe traveling abroad than he is moving within certain parts of our own nation absolutely disgusts me. As an American...NOT as a "Democrat" (for which I am not).
rockaction
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The bolded part is hilarious. As for the rest...Actually, your point was: "nobody in the Tea Party has made an artistic or fantastical threat to shoot the President, unlike the borderline fascination with shooting Bush in the aughts."Here's another one for you...you know, to further make your point: http://www.the-richmonder.com/2010/03/tea-party-member-makes-death-threat.htmlSo one guy posts some dumb #### on the internet, and the next step is a likely assassination? I remember there were entire books dedicated to the fascination of assassinating Bush. The fervidity on both sides is extreme, given our almost religious fascination with politics. But not many people would ascribe assassination motives to an entire political movement. Nobody thought all anti-Iraq war demonstrators were out to kill the President, or even the most likely to do so. Chances are, somebody who shoots the President will likely be a Loughner type -- a mentally unstable person who hears voices and the like. Not some fool who signs a secession petition at some misguided political rally.eta* My main point is, is that for every wingnut on one side is a wingnut on the other, and the demonstrability of some sort of Tea Party affiliation is dubious at best, and certainly not causative.Google.com down?
Words are powerful tools...or powerful weapons. We all need to choose them carefully. As for me? I'll continue to state, for the record, that I believe violent radicals within the Tea Party pose a far, FAR greater threat to the safety of Obama and other elected officials than al-Qaeda. Primarily because they (American citizens) do not need to pass through any security or show any IDs/passports to either enter the country or freely move anywhere inside of it...along with the fact that many of them are (or easily can be) heavily armed.
Sprinkle in JUST enough hate, racism, classism, economic hardship, whatever, and it wouldn't take much to imagine one of these nut-jobs firing off a few rounds. Scares the daylights out of me, in fact. And the fact that Obama is probably as/more safe traveling abroad than he is moving within certain parts of our own nation absolutely disgusts me. As an American...NOT as a "Democrat" (for which I am not).
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Actually, what is stupid is making a claim that nobody from the Tea Party has made any death threats toward Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Then not admitting it when someone calls you on it.As for the Ed Show, he's one of those guys on MSNBC...right? I've watched Maddow before (she's actually very good), and Lawrence O'Donnell a couple times...but other than that, I've watched more of their shows about various prison(er)s around the country than I've watched their equivalents to O'Reilly, Hannity, et al.
Oh, and one more link for you...to help reinforce your claims of "nobody" threatening any violence or assassination attempts related to Obama...though I suppose we can dicker 5-6 more posts about whether this was TECHNICALLY coming out of Tea Party camps: HTH
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rockaction
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Right...hang on "nobody" instead of my fairly obvious main point. My bad. You win the internet points. Your risk assessment is stellar, by the way. Have you ever thought that the political technique of marginalizing a group as consisting of violent revolutionary assassins might just be a cynical technique to harden opinion on one side and motivate that side politically? And that you've bought it?
And why are you bolding HUSSEIN? Isn't that...oh, forget this.
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I bolded Hussein because Tea Partiers and Fox News has been bolding it ever since Obama was able to knock Hillary Clinton out of the 2008 primary process. You gotta at least cede that point.
Related to risk assessment? First, you're assuming I've formulated my opinions from primarily left-leaning media. I've heard people personally, to my face, say that they wish "somebody would kill that S.O.B. who is taking OUR country away." I felt uncomfortable around certain people in my own town, who made a few veiled threats toward me for even having an Obama sign on my lawn. I've seen and/or heard about several instances of people using a picture of Obama as part of their target practice at the range (granted, that's probably just dumb###es being dumb###es...but the level of disrespect for our POTUS and commander-in-chief astonishes me).You don't honestly think it would be way, WAY easier for "Average Joe" (average young or middle-aged, blue collar, angry white guy) to get in a position to do some real harm than it would be for al-Qaeda to orchestrate some type of attempt(s) from thousands of miles away? When probably at least half to two-thirds of said "cell" members who are already in our country today are probably already under 24/7 surveillance? When a sizable percentage of the country has already bought into that cynical technique you mention to think that just about anyone of Middle Eastern descent (with black hair, brown/olive colored skin, the wrong clothes, the wrong religion, etc.) is a "terrorist" or somehow wants Sharia Law in America?
The perfect attack in any situation would be the attack that few/no people saw coming. And if you had to choose between an attack coming from some first/second generation Saudis/Pakistanis who've been in semi-regular contact with people on "watch lists" from Middle Eastern nations, or "Bob" from your trap club and bowling league...who do you think would have a better shot of surprising our intelligence apparatus and Secret Service?
Need more links from me on NOBODY from the Tea Party threatening/encouraging violence against our POTUS, or have you thrown in the towel on that one?
netnalp
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American Samoa? The Governor of American Samoa is the head of government and along with the Lieutenant Governor of American Samoa is elected on the same ticket by popular vote for four-year terms.These you might be able to start and Atlas Shrugged colony. But they are only about 1 square mile in size.Baker Island: now uninhabitedHowland Island: now uninhabitedJarvis Island: now uninhabited
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roadkill1292
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If you're gonna do it at all, better do it soon. Texas might be a blue state in another 15 years.'bentley said:
Jojo the circus boy
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Racist
bentley
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Good point. Santa Anna never lost, it is just going to take him a couple hundred years to squash the Texas revolution.
Leroy Hoard
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Finally, room for Guam & Puerto Rico.
BigSteelThrill
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They can just leave.'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
Leeroy Jenkins
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This is what happens when intelligence is vilified.
Serious question:
If there are people in certain states who overwhelmingly support leaving the union peacefully, why is that not an option? I've never received a good answer. Slavery is gone so any conflict fought today, militarily or otherwise, would be for purely monetary reasons.
I look at other nations around the world such as the former Soviet Union and the United Kingdom and see that peaceful dissolution is possible. I also look around and see two ideologies in American conservatism and progressivism that are as far apart right now as they have ever been. Why could this not happen here?
If there are people in certain states who overwhelmingly support leaving the union peacefully, why is that not an option? I've never received a good answer. Slavery is gone so any conflict fought today, militarily or otherwise, would be for purely monetary reasons.
I look at other nations around the world such as the former Soviet Union and the United Kingdom and see that peaceful dissolution is possible. I also look around and see two ideologies in American conservatism and progressivism that are as far apart right now as they have ever been. Why could this not happen here?
matuski
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