Selecting 2 top end tight ends in a 1TE league... (1 Viewer)

[Darko M]

My ppr league requires a TE (QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE) and I have owned Witten for the last two years. Every week I have fielded offers from other owners who failed to take a consistent TE early in the draft and are tired of constantly shuffling the waiver wire for a hidden gem. I never traded him because it seems a TE is such a valuable commodity, that I'm not sure why owners year in and year out fail to jump on a proven one.

So it got me thinking, why not take Witten (in the 4th) and another tight end like Gates, or Gonzo (in the 5th) and sit patiently. Wait a week or two for owners of garbage TEs to realize they're fighting a losing battling and trade for a receiver or running back that has 3rd round value.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

My ppr league requires a TE (QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE) and I have owned Witten for the last two years. Every week I have fielded offers from other owners who failed to take a consistent TE early in the draft and are tired of constantly shuffling the waiver wire for a hidden gem. I never traded him because it seems a TE is such a valuable commodity, that I'm not sure why owners year in and year out fail to jump on a proven one.

So it got me thinking, why not take Witten (in the 4th) and another tight end like Gates, or Gonzo (in the 5th) and sit patiently. Wait a week or two for owners of garbage TEs to realize they're fighting a losing battling and trade for a receiver or running back that has 3rd round value.

TE's aren't that valuable. If you waste two of your first five picks on tight ends, you'll be the one fighting a losing battle all year long.

 

[FUBAR]

My ppr league requires a TE (QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE) and I have owned Witten for the last two years. Every week I have fielded offers from other owners who failed to take a consistent TE early in the draft and are tired of constantly shuffling the waiver wire for a hidden gem. I never traded him because it seems a TE is such a valuable commodity, that I'm not sure why owners year in and year out fail to jump on a proven one.

So it got me thinking, why not take Witten (in the 4th) and another tight end like Gates, or Gonzo (in the 5th) and sit patiently. Wait a week or two for owners of garbage TEs to realize they're fighting a losing battling and trade for a receiver or running back that has 3rd round value.

could be that you're mistaken? I would probably take Witten in the 4th or G/G in the 6th, but you're giving way too much up to take both. When putting together a team, TE is one of the last things I consider, just above Kicker and team D. Unless of course Witten falls to great value.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I've tried this in the past. The problem is, the same owners that refused to draft good TE's also refused to trade for good TE's. I was stuck with both TE's all year long.

 

[comfortably numb]

I've tried this in the past. The problem is, the same owners that refused to draft good TE's also refused to trade for good TE's. I was stuck with both TE's all year long.

The best answer starts and finishes with how actively trading your league mates are.If they trade alot, this would be a pretty good idea.If 3 trades are done all year, stay away from 2 strong TE's as 1 will be on your bench each week.

 

[Darko M]

My ppr league requires a TE (QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE) and I have owned Witten for the last two years. Every week I have fielded offers from other owners who failed to take a consistent TE early in the draft and are tired of constantly shuffling the waiver wire for a hidden gem. I never traded him because it seems a TE is such a valuable commodity, that I'm not sure why owners year in and year out fail to jump on a proven one.

So it got me thinking, why not take Witten (in the 4th) and another tight end like Gates, or Gonzo (in the 5th) and sit patiently. Wait a week or two for owners of garbage TEs to realize they're fighting a losing battling and trade for a receiver or running back that has 3rd round value.

TE's aren't that valuable. If you waste two of your first five picks on tight ends, you'll be the one fighting a losing battle all year long.

Are you kidding? There are maybe 4 consistent TEs in fantasy football...Please tell me how having one of the couple consistent TEs that averages 12/g on your team isn't an advantage over the other 8 teams in your league who are shuffling thru inconsistent guys that average 6/g.

 

[gonzobill5]

in 04 i had gonzo & gates, but gates was nothing but a late round flyer. i think this is a good way to go. spend your pick on witten if you want, and if a TE presents value, don't hesitate to grab him. i wouldn't reach in the 5th or 6th. Fifth round RBs & WRs could end up top five or ten - it will be impossible to get that value back.

 

[Darko M]

I've tried this in the past. The problem is, the same owners that refused to draft good TE's also refused to trade for good TE's. I was stuck with both TE's all year long.

The best answer starts and finishes with how actively trading your league mates are.If they trade alot, this would be a pretty good idea.If 3 trades are done all year, stay away from 2 strong TE's as 1 will be on your bench each week.

Last year there were about 20 trades, it's a 12-team ppr/idp redraft. But the main question is value, if my team is stacked no one will want to give me much, if their team is stacked they may not want to make others around them better. It's definitely a gamble, maybe it would be a bit more wise to grab a value TE a couple rounds later like a Winslow, etc.In years past many teams have been very stacked at QB, and RB positions but studs end up sitting on their bench because no one will give them fair value, and would rather try their luck at the waiver wire. So, it's tough to gauge what a top 4-5 TE will bring on the block.

 

[comfortably numb]

I've tried this in the past. The problem is, the same owners that refused to draft good TE's also refused to trade for good TE's. I was stuck with both TE's all year long.

The best answer starts and finishes with how actively trading your league mates are.If they trade alot, this would be a pretty good idea.If 3 trades are done all year, stay away from 2 strong TE's as 1 will be on your bench each week.

Last year there were about 20 trades, it's a 12-team ppr/idp redraft. But the main question is value, if my team is stacked no one will want to give me much, if their team is stacked they may not want to make others around them better. It's definitely a gamble, maybe it would be a bit more wise to grab a value TE a couple rounds later like a Winslow, etc.

Of those 20 trades I would check and see how many involved stars.If more than half I would take a chance that 1 or 2 teams making a playoff push will want to add a stud TE as a last part of the puzzle.

 

[JetMaxx]

I did this last year in a keeper, I had Witten and drafted Gates early with that very mindset of collecting an elite value. 3 weeks in I put together a package including Gates to acquire AJ.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I've tried similar moves to this in the past, it's tough to get the value that you're looking for back in trade.

Consider that the person who will want your extra top-tier TE will just be looking to round out his team. He slacked off at TE at the draft and now wants to strengthen the position - So he generally won't want to trade any starters from his already rounded out roster just to upgrade his TE. He likes his roster, more or less, just wants a stronger TE to round it out so he'll usually try offering you a mix of high upside 2nd and 3rd string guys that you may or may not be able to use. Guys the caliber of Jamal Lewis or Felix Jones come to mind - His weak RB2 that he could replace with his RB3, or his high-upside RB3 who could be a stud if things shake out perfectly --- Basically, guys that he can spare without weakening his overall team. The other possibility is that you'll end up in a bigger, more complicated, blockbuster type trade with more pieces involved where you're swapping a few starters.

Either way - here you are on the other hand, with a couple glaring holes in your starting lineup since you invested two early picks into TE. You'll most likely be a little bit desperate to unload one of those stud TEs now to help round out your starting lineup. So, because getting starters back is going to be a higher priority for you than upgrading a TE is going to be for any of your trade partners, you're not going to be the team with the upper hand in almost any trade scenario... Regardless of how great your two TEs are.

So, bad idea all around IMO.

That said though - If you go through with it report back and let us know how it works out. These types of moves, where you draft extra depth at a particular position in the early rounds with the intent of being well positioned for trading --- Well, I've never seen that work out successfully for anyone. Myself included.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

I did this last year in a keeper, I had Witten and drafted Gates early with that very mindset of collecting an elite value. 3 weeks in I put together a package including Gates to acquire AJ.

That definitely sounds like it worked out for you - I'd be interested in hearing all of the pieces involved?

 

[FUBAR]

My ppr league requires a TE (QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE) and I have owned Witten for the last two years. Every week I have fielded offers from other owners who failed to take a consistent TE early in the draft and are tired of constantly shuffling the waiver wire for a hidden gem. I never traded him because it seems a TE is such a valuable commodity, that I'm not sure why owners year in and year out fail to jump on a proven one.

So it got me thinking, why not take Witten (in the 4th) and another tight end like Gates, or Gonzo (in the 5th) and sit patiently. Wait a week or two for owners of garbage TEs to realize they're fighting a losing battling and trade for a receiver or running back that has 3rd round value.

TE's aren't that valuable. If you waste two of your first five picks on tight ends, you'll be the one fighting a losing battle all year long.

Are you kidding? There are maybe 4 consistent TEs in fantasy football...Please tell me how having one of the couple consistent TEs that averages 12/g on your team isn't an advantage over the other 8 teams in your league who are shuffling thru inconsistent guys that average 6/g.

Let's expound on this for a minute. Assuming you had the top 2 TEs in FF last year and were willing to trade Witten, Witten represented a 4 ppg upgrade from the #12 TE. For the sake of argument this year, say you take Witten in the 4th, Gates or Gonzo in the 5th and the exact same point spread occurs. You're giving up players along the lines of Colston/Royal to do this and one of your top 5 picks is on your bench. Meanwhile, any team you want with would probably have to give up a player they are currently starting for another player they would start. Let's just say that team drafted in a 3 WR start format, Moss, Colston, Vincent Jackson, Ted Ginn, and Mark Bradley (feel free to change the players, this is just an example). To trade with you, he loses one of his top 3 WRs and now starts his 4th WR (now his 3rd). Roughly speaking, the loss from the #13 WR (guy you'd want) to the 37th (best WR4 in a 12 team league) is about 4 points. So he gains 4 at TE, loses 4 at WR. Why would he do that? The only way this works is if the team that waited on TE nails a sleeper pick or two and they want to get that sleeper into their lineup or trade him.

OTOH, the argument can easily be made that Witten, Gates or Gonzo repesent less risk and you're willing to gamble that a team will have unexpected depth (or their picks work out) at a position you need.

I might consider this in a flex league, but you didn't state you could start both.

 

[Philo]

If you're taking TEs in the 4th and 5th, you're then expecting to trade the 5th rounder for someone better... so you're hoping to trade Gonzo for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder. Most likely a 4th. Most guys draft 2 RBs, a QB, and a WR in the first 4 rounds, maybe 1 RB, 2 WRs, and a QB in PPR, few are going to be willing to trade one of their "stud" starters for a TE improvement. Guys in the T.O/Reggie Bush/TJ Housh 4th round zone... in a PPR... I don't see it.

I don't think you're going to get anyone in trade that wasn't already available with a 5th round pick.

There are 3 top TEs that will likely score 120+ FP per season, the rest all score 70-90. The difference is about 2.5 pts per week. I don't think it's worth a 5th to try for it.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

My ppr league requires a TE (QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE) and I have owned Witten for the last two years. Every week I have fielded offers from other owners who failed to take a consistent TE early in the draft and are tired of constantly shuffling the waiver wire for a hidden gem. I never traded him because it seems a TE is such a valuable commodity, that I'm not sure why owners year in and year out fail to jump on a proven one.

So it got me thinking, why not take Witten (in the 4th) and another tight end like Gates, or Gonzo (in the 5th) and sit patiently. Wait a week or two for owners of garbage TEs to realize they're fighting a losing battling and trade for a receiver or running back that has 3rd round value.

TE's aren't that valuable. If you waste two of your first five picks on tight ends, you'll be the one fighting a losing battle all year long.

Are you kidding? There are maybe 4 consistent TEs in fantasy football...Please tell me how having one of the couple consistent TEs that averages 12/g on your team isn't an advantage over the other 8 teams in your league who are shuffling thru inconsistent guys that average 6/g.

Please tell me why, if these TE's you speak of are so valuable, that they aren't all drafted in the first three rounds of your draft.I'm really not going to sit here and explain the concept of value to you; other posters have already done that, and there are tons of articles on FBG that go over it. What exactly do you expect to get in return for the stud TE you have rotting on your bench? Obviously you think you will command something that is worth more than the 5th round pick you intend to waste, but that is highly unlikely.

And to answer your overly simplistic question, all else being equal, of course 12 points per game is better than 6 points per game. The real question you should be asking is this: are 12 points per game for a 4th round pick better than 6 points per game for a 12th round pick?

 

[Darko M]

If you're taking TEs in the 4th and 5th, you're then expecting to trade the 5th rounder for someone better... so you're hoping to trade Gonzo for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder. Most likely a 4th. Most guys draft 2 RBs, a QB, and a WR in the first 4 rounds, maybe 1 RB, 2 WRs, and a QB in PPR, few are going to be willing to trade one of their "stud" starters for a TE improvement. Guys in the T.O/Reggie Bush/TJ Housh 4th round zone... in a PPR... I don't see it.

I don't think you're going to get anyone in trade that wasn't already available with a 5th round pick.

There are 3 top TEs that will likely score 120+ FP per season, the rest all score 70-90. The difference is about 2.5 pts per week. I don't think it's worth a 5th to try for it.

Over the entire season it's 2.5 pts per week, but when Witten is in your starting lineup you get all of his points. The #12 TE is typically in and out of someone's starting lineup, or put in after a couple big games, so the actual difference in averages is more like 5-6 points per week, maybe more.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

If you're taking TEs in the 4th and 5th, you're then expecting to trade the 5th rounder for someone better... so you're hoping to trade Gonzo for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder. Most likely a 4th. Most guys draft 2 RBs, a QB, and a WR in the first 4 rounds, maybe 1 RB, 2 WRs, and a QB in PPR, few are going to be willing to trade one of their "stud" starters for a TE improvement. Guys in the T.O/Reggie Bush/TJ Housh 4th round zone... in a PPR... I don't see it.

I don't think you're going to get anyone in trade that wasn't already available with a 5th round pick.

There are 3 top TEs that will likely score 120+ FP per season, the rest all score 70-90. The difference is about 2.5 pts per week. I don't think it's worth a 5th to try for it.

Over the entire season it's 2.5 pts per week, but when Witten is in your starting lineup you get all of his points. The #12 TE is typically in and out of someone's starting lineup, or put in after a couple big games, so the actual difference in averages is more like 5-6 points per week, maybe more.

For the record, Witten scored 12+ points 8 times last year. Gates did it 7 times. So even the elite PPR TEs won't have you reaping consistent benefits week in and week out. Are they better than the rest? Of course. But are they that much better that they're worth a 5th round pick so you can stash them on your bench as trade bait? No.

 

[Dragon1952]

Over the entire season it's 2.5 pts per week, but when Witten is in your starting lineup you get all of his points. The #12 TE is typically in and out of someone's starting lineup, or put in after a couple big games, so the actual difference in averages is more like 5-6 points per week, maybe more.

 

[nightmare]

Why not keep the TE to keep him from staring against you?

Not a good strategy but rounds 4,5,6 your looking at a LOT of WRs

that aren't that far apart. After the top 4 TEs it's a fairly big drop off.

 

[H8fulHuck]

If you're taking TEs in the 4th and 5th, you're then expecting to trade the 5th rounder for someone better... so you're hoping to trade Gonzo for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder. Most likely a 4th. Most guys draft 2 RBs, a QB, and a WR in the first 4 rounds, maybe 1 RB, 2 WRs, and a QB in PPR, few are going to be willing to trade one of their "stud" starters for a TE improvement. Guys in the T.O/Reggie Bush/TJ Housh 4th round zone... in a PPR... I don't see it.

I don't think you're going to get anyone in trade that wasn't already available with a 5th round pick.

There are 3 top TEs that will likely score 120+ FP per season, the rest all score 70-90. The difference is about 2.5 pts per week. I don't think it's worth a 5th to try for it.

Over the entire season it's 2.5 pts per week, but when Witten is in your starting lineup you get all of his points. The #12 TE is typically in and out of someone's starting lineup, or put in after a couple big games, so the actual difference in averages is more like 5-6 points per week, maybe more.

Being doubled up with talent at TE actually puts you in a weaker position to deal one because others know you have dead points rotting on your roster. In all likelyhood, you will be hurting more at another position by taking 2 TE early. If someone trades for one of your TE, it will be to cherry pick the low hanging fruit from your bench.Personally, I think it's funny when someone wastes an extra pick on a 2nd TE or QB in the early rounds. (Start 1 leagues of course) They have the mentality that they are screwing other teams when they are really hurting their own team more.

 

[FUBAR]

If you're taking TEs in the 4th and 5th, you're then expecting to trade the 5th rounder for someone better... so you're hoping to trade Gonzo for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder. Most likely a 4th. Most guys draft 2 RBs, a QB, and a WR in the first 4 rounds, maybe 1 RB, 2 WRs, and a QB in PPR, few are going to be willing to trade one of their "stud" starters for a TE improvement. Guys in the T.O/Reggie Bush/TJ Housh 4th round zone... in a PPR... I don't see it.

I don't think you're going to get anyone in trade that wasn't already available with a 5th round pick.

There are 3 top TEs that will likely score 120+ FP per season, the rest all score 70-90. The difference is about 2.5 pts per week. I don't think it's worth a 5th to try for it.

Over the entire season it's 2.5 pts per week, but when Witten is in your starting lineup you get all of his points. The #12 TE is typically in and out of someone's starting lineup, or put in after a couple big games, so the actual difference in averages is more like 5-6 points per week, maybe more.

you have the same problems with your #3 WR.

 

[loose circuits]

This strategy will rarely work in your favor. Especially if you can't start both. You have no leverage in trades and it's not like you could possibly get any type of increase from playing the match-ups. Drafting a player to trade will burn you 9 of 10X).

Especially this year because I see a deep TE pool. If guys like Celek, Finley, Olsen (obvious), Vernon Davis, Shiancoe & Boss (to name a few) can live up to expectations

 

[Londo]

Who have been the TEs on the League Champions rosters for the past few years?

 

[Philo]

If you're taking TEs in the 4th and 5th, you're then expecting to trade the 5th rounder for someone better... so you're hoping to trade Gonzo for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder. Most likely a 4th. Most guys draft 2 RBs, a QB, and a WR in the first 4 rounds, maybe 1 RB, 2 WRs, and a QB in PPR, few are going to be willing to trade one of their "stud" starters for a TE improvement. Guys in the T.O/Reggie Bush/TJ Housh 4th round zone... in a PPR... I don't see it.

I don't think you're going to get anyone in trade that wasn't already available with a 5th round pick.

There are 3 top TEs that will likely score 120+ FP per season, the rest all score 70-90. The difference is about 2.5 pts per week. I don't think it's worth a 5th to try for it.

Over the entire season it's 2.5 pts per week, but when Witten is in your starting lineup you get all of his points. The #12 TE is typically in and out of someone's starting lineup, or put in after a couple big games, so the actual difference in averages is more like 5-6 points per week, maybe more.

Huh? You're playing a TE every week, right? So it doesn't matter if #12 is in there or #16, the average is the same. They're all in the 70-90 range.Look, you asked the question. You even put the symbol on the thread. You got a dozen answers, all the same. Listen to them, or not. Up to you. But if you're not going to listen to the advice, why ask for it?

 

[Philo]

you have the same problems with your #3 WR.

Exactly. Getting 1 WR, 1 RB, and 2 TEs in the first 5 rounds, maybe 1 QB or one more WR... everyone else is stocking up on guys like Vincent Jackson, Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Anthony Gonzalez for their WR2 and Lee Evans, Santana Moss, Hines Ward for their WR3. You're two rounds behind the rest of the field and it's doubtful anyone will trade anyone who's drafted ahead of Gonzo to get him.

 

[Callas Disregard]

If you're taking TEs in the 4th and 5th, you're then expecting to trade the 5th rounder for someone better... so you're hoping to trade Gonzo for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder. Most likely a 4th. Most guys draft 2 RBs, a QB, and a WR in the first 4 rounds, maybe 1 RB, 2 WRs, and a QB in PPR, few are going to be willing to trade one of their "stud" starters for a TE improvement. Guys in the T.O/Reggie Bush/TJ Housh 4th round zone... in a PPR... I don't see it.

I don't think you're going to get anyone in trade that wasn't already available with a 5th round pick.

There are 3 top TEs that will likely score 120+ FP per season, the rest all score 70-90. The difference is about 2.5 pts per week. I don't think it's worth a 5th to try for it.

Over the entire season it's 2.5 pts per week, but when Witten is in your starting lineup you get all of his points. The #12 TE is typically in and out of someone's starting lineup, or put in after a couple big games, so the actual difference in averages is more like 5-6 points per week, maybe more.

Who do you think you're going to get in a trade? You're not going to get Ronnie Brown or Steve Smith or even Thomas Jones or Wes Welker. And which owner is going to be more desperate: the other guy who is starting Zach Miller at TE or you when you're starting Julius Jones as your RB2?

 

[Black]

I don't like the idea of going into the draft saying 'I'll take this guy and use him for trade bait..."

Why not just draft the players you want? I guess the idea here is that you can corner the market on TEs (since maybe there are 3-4 obvious top TEs) then trade them for a value worth a couple of rounds higher value? You could probably do that with QBs too, or maybe D/ST much later.

I still would prefer to fill out my roster, play my game, then sometime later in the season if I had some extra value, trade it off.

 

[Eviloutsider]

I have seen this happen one time when the guy at the turn took both Gonzalez and Gates when they were 1/2 at the time. Before the draft was over he ended up trading one of them for Jimmy Smith who was taken two rounds later. Buyers remorse hit him hard, early.

 

[BINGBING]

If you really think that many people are going to come running, and you are going to get that great of a return on your investment then why don't you take a TE in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th?

....So I can LMAO

 

[mike11162]

On top of everything else already mentioned, there are more quality fantasy TEs available now then there used to be. Think about it, Gonzo, Gates, Clark, Witten, Daniels, Cooley, Carlson, Zach Miller, Winslow, Keller, Shiancoe, Olsen, Scheffler, Shockey, Heath Miller. If you have any of these guys as your TE, you're probably content. And that's not even including others like Celek, Pettigrew, Jermichael Finley, Jared Cook with upside. Even if you have the lower echelon ones of these, pair up two of them and play the matchups and you're probably content. Most of us play in 12 team leagues and there's just enough to go around that you don't need to trade for a stud.

 

[ratbast]

I think this has merit if there is a plan. Last year I drafted Cooley earlier and then Gonzo a few rounds later. My deep depth was hurting but I took Gonzo and then traded Cooley by the end of draft day. I drafted for value and worked package deals from that point. I never expected to draft Gonzo when I did and that made Cooley trade bait. Granted this is a keeper and not many TEs are kept. I got a Chester Taylor to back up AP he did draft Taylor after Cooley but it worked for both teams and he thru in a draft pick. Gonzo went on to go house.

I dont think id focus on the stud TEs but perhaps value that drops.

 

[Sweet Love]

While I see where the OP is going with this, I think there is a stereotype around TEs in FF and their value. Whether you are right or wrong, and even if you not only draft TE #1 & 2 and they HAPPEN to perform early on as TE 1 and 2, you are still not going to get the value you hope for in return because people just don't view it as more than a "plu and play" position. How many times have you lucked upon owning the top couple of defenses (it has happened to me a few times over the years). When you attempt to trade one to a team with weak D...even if it makes a few Point Per Week difference, all you get back in return is a mediocre QB2, WR3 or RB4. Pereception is reality and unless you get someone who drafted a Top 4-5 TE and that TE happens to get injured, the general audience is just not buying.

I am in a NC FBG league where we can start two TEs (PPR for TEs, 1/2 PPR for WRs and RBs) and evven then, those who play TEBC, still refuse to buy if it is going to dig into their top 2 RBs and top 3 WRs...now, with that said, people that draft two QBs that end up doing well are willing to part with one, but you are playing a dangerous game hoping you find the guy who drafted that way and still needs a top flight TE.

 

[Philo]

If you really think that many people are going to come running, and you are going to get that great of a return on your investment then why don't you take a TE in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th?

A few years back, one of the owners in my sportsline league had to autodraft. And he didn't re-rank his players beforehand, so, they were drafted by projected FP. He ended up with a starting lineup, then, seven defenses, because they were projected to outscore a second QB, third RB, third WR, etc.He'd cornered the market on DSTs, for sure. Had 7 of the top 10.He only managed to trade 2 or 3 of them for very late-round picks, WR4s and such. The rest he had to drop back into the pool. No one really cared whether they got a top DST or not, and in this league's scoring, a top DST could go far. Just didn't get value for them.

 

[Knobs]

It's like a few people have said - it depends on your league. Ignore the dopes who keep trying to tell you because it doesn't work in THEIR league it can't work in yours.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's like a few people have said - it depends on your league. Ignore the dopes who keep trying to tell you because it doesn't work in THEIR league it can't work in yours.

This really has nothing to do with league setup or anything. It doesn't even really have anything to do with tight ends.The OP is proposing to take PLAYER A in the 5th round, and then trade said player for PLAYER B. If PLAYER B is worth more than a 5th round pick, why would anyone make this trade with the OP? And if PLAYER B is worth less than a 5th round pick, why would the OP make this trade?

So forget about "the value of TEs" and "the dynamics of your league" and whatnot. Basically what the OP is proposing is some kind of fantasy alchemy where he magically turns a 5th round pick into a player that is worth more than a 5th round pick. Please explain why such a strategy would make sense or work in any league format. And if it works, why aren't fantasy owners everywhere employing this strategy every year?

 

[salmonstud]

I think the gap is narrowing at TE. There are a number of TE's this year that have an opportunity to really make the ppg difference gap from the top few TE's to the #12 TE much less. Guys like Olsen, Cooley, Clark, Keller, should put up decent numbers and reduce the value of Witten, Gates, etc. For many years there were only 2-3 fantasy stud TE's that were used like a WR and a huge drop off existed after those players. That is no longer true. The NFL has caught on and especially with the changes in reduced contact with receivers - every team is looking for pass catching TE's more than blocking TE's to create mismatches.

I would consider employing the same strategy you are suggesting but target WR's or RB's early for trade value vs. TE's. In one league historically I loaded up on RB's in the first 6 rounds. Often taking 4 RB's before I took my 2nd WR in a start 3 WR league simply because not many owners drafted more than 2 RB's in the first 6 rounds....there was always allot of value at RB in rounds 4-6. I then was always able to move them for quality WR's later in the season because many teams only drafted 2 starting RB's. When a bye week came up or an injury....my extra starting RB's were gold.

 

[comfortably numb]

It's like a few people have said - it depends on your league. Ignore the dopes who keep trying to tell you because it doesn't work in THEIR league it can't work in yours.

This really has nothing to do with league setup or anything. It doesn't even really have anything to do with tight ends.The OP is proposing to take PLAYER A in the 5th round, and then trade said player for PLAYER B. If PLAYER B is worth more than a 5th round pick, why would anyone make this trade with the OP? And if PLAYER B is worth less than a 5th round pick, why would the OP make this trade?

So forget about "the value of TEs" and "the dynamics of your league" and whatnot. Basically what the OP is proposing is some kind of fantasy alchemy where he magically turns a 5th round pick into a player that is worth more than a 5th round pick. Please explain why such a strategy would make sense or work in any league format. And if it works, why aren't fantasy owners everywhere employing this strategy every year?

It is called value.And those value' change from August to November.

Trading 1 of the 2 TE's he took in the 4th and 5th for a RB/WR taken in the 2nd may not work the day after the draft.

But it could work 2 weeks/2 months after.

Is the only basis to a trade where you took a player in the draft?

So last November while Forte is a top 5 RB, would someone have not traded Braylon for Forte because Braylon was a 2nd RD pick and Forte was a 7th RD pick?

IMO "value of the TE" and "the dynamics of your league" do play a factor.

As many owners may not initially fully understand the value of a TE (if there is much value, all depends on your scoring)

OR

injuries happen, and a owner may now find himself with 4 starting RB, and no TE

OR

an owner may have stacked himself at QB and now finds himself in need of a TE

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's like a few people have said - it depends on your league. Ignore the dopes who keep trying to tell you because it doesn't work in THEIR league it can't work in yours.

This really has nothing to do with league setup or anything. It doesn't even really have anything to do with tight ends.The OP is proposing to take PLAYER A in the 5th round, and then trade said player for PLAYER B. If PLAYER B is worth more than a 5th round pick, why would anyone make this trade with the OP? And if PLAYER B is worth less than a 5th round pick, why would the OP make this trade?

So forget about "the value of TEs" and "the dynamics of your league" and whatnot. Basically what the OP is proposing is some kind of fantasy alchemy where he magically turns a 5th round pick into a player that is worth more than a 5th round pick. Please explain why such a strategy would make sense or work in any league format. And if it works, why aren't fantasy owners everywhere employing this strategy every year?

It is called value.And those value' change from August to November.

Trading 1 of the 2 TE's he took in the 4th and 5th for a RB/WR taken in the 2nd may not work the day after the draft.

But it could work 2 weeks/2 months after.

Is the only basis to a trade where you took a player in the draft?

So last November while Forte is a top 5 RB, would someone have not traded Braylon for Forte because Braylon was a 2nd RD pick and Forte was a 7th RD pick?

IMO "value of the TE" and "the dynamics of your league" do play a factor.

As many owners may not initially fully understand the value of a TE (if there is much value, all depends on your scoring)

OR

injuries happen, and a owner may now find himself with 4 starting RB, and no TE

OR

an owner may have stacked himself at QB and now finds himself in need of a TE

It's not about where the player was drafted, it's about his value - the day after the draft or two months into the season. The second best TE in fantasy has a value of a 5th round pick. The OP wants to trade that player for another player who has the value of a 3rd round pick. Whether he does that right after the draft or halfway through the season, or whether the player he gets in return was drafted in the 3rd round or the 7th round, he's expecting to trade 5th round value straight up for 3rd round value or better. It's not worth two top-5 picks and two roster spots to take a chance that in a best-case scenario, six weeks into the season somebody may find himself with 4 starting RB and no TE, and decides trading a starting fantasy RB to you straight up for a TE that's been on your bench all year is a good idea.

 

[comfortably numb]

It's like a few people have said - it depends on your league. Ignore the dopes who keep trying to tell you because it doesn't work in THEIR league it can't work in yours.

This really has nothing to do with league setup or anything. It doesn't even really have anything to do with tight ends.The OP is proposing to take PLAYER A in the 5th round, and then trade said player for PLAYER B. If PLAYER B is worth more than a 5th round pick, why would anyone make this trade with the OP? And if PLAYER B is worth less than a 5th round pick, why would the OP make this trade?

So forget about "the value of TEs" and "the dynamics of your league" and whatnot. Basically what the OP is proposing is some kind of fantasy alchemy where he magically turns a 5th round pick into a player that is worth more than a 5th round pick. Please explain why such a strategy would make sense or work in any league format. And if it works, why aren't fantasy owners everywhere employing this strategy every year?

It is called value.And those value' change from August to November.

Trading 1 of the 2 TE's he took in the 4th and 5th for a RB/WR taken in the 2nd may not work the day after the draft.

But it could work 2 weeks/2 months after.

Is the only basis to a trade where you took a player in the draft?

So last November while Forte is a top 5 RB, would someone have not traded Braylon for Forte because Braylon was a 2nd RD pick and Forte was a 7th RD pick?

IMO "value of the TE" and "the dynamics of your league" do play a factor.

As many owners may not initially fully understand the value of a TE (if there is much value, all depends on your scoring)

OR

injuries happen, and a owner may now find himself with 4 starting RB, and no TE

OR

an owner may have stacked himself at QB and now finds himself in need of a TE

It's not about where the player was drafted, it's about his value - the day after the draft or two months into the season. The second best TE in fantasy has a value of a 5th round pick. WHATEVER AN OWNER IS WILLING TO PAY . The OP wants to trade that player for another player who has the value of a 3rd round pick. Whether he does that right after the draft or halfway through the season, or whether the player he gets in return was drafted in the 3rd round or the 7th round, he's expecting to trade 5th round value straight up for 3rd round value or better. It's not worth two top-5 picks and two roster spots to take a chance that in a best-case scenario, six weeks into the season somebody may find himself with 4 starting RB and no TE, and decides trading a starting fantasy RB to you straight up for a TE that's been on your bench all year is a good idea.

I have fixed the above to reflect how I feel.And for that reason I think understanding your league dynamic, and the value of TE as a whole in your league plays a big factor.

I have seen owners pay a lot more than "perceived value" due to their situations.

Same as an owner taking Brees and Manning in the 2/3rd and then looking to trade him for a top RB who was taken in the 1st.

Knowing your league mates tendencies is the key to whether this works or not.

Yes, some owners will say why would I trade you Portis who I took at 1.12 for Manning who you took at 3.2?

IMO, that is a shortsighted way of looking at trades and value

 

[Philo]

Even the OP's user name is named after one of the worst draft picks in the last 10 years.

 

[FUBAR]

It's like a few people have said - it depends on your league. Ignore the dopes who keep trying to tell you because it doesn't work in THEIR league it can't work in yours.

This really has nothing to do with league setup or anything. It doesn't even really have anything to do with tight ends.The OP is proposing to take PLAYER A in the 5th round, and then trade said player for PLAYER B. If PLAYER B is worth more than a 5th round pick, why would anyone make this trade with the OP? And if PLAYER B is worth less than a 5th round pick, why would the OP make this trade?

So forget about "the value of TEs" and "the dynamics of your league" and whatnot. Basically what the OP is proposing is some kind of fantasy alchemy where he magically turns a 5th round pick into a player that is worth more than a 5th round pick. Please explain why such a strategy would make sense or work in any league format. And if it works, why aren't fantasy owners everywhere employing this strategy every year?

It is called value.And those value' change from August to November.

Trading 1 of the 2 TE's he took in the 4th and 5th for a RB/WR taken in the 2nd may not work the day after the draft.

But it could work 2 weeks/2 months after.

Is the only basis to a trade where you took a player in the draft?

So last November while Forte is a top 5 RB, would someone have not traded Braylon for Forte because Braylon was a 2nd RD pick and Forte was a 7th RD pick?

IMO "value of the TE" and "the dynamics of your league" do play a factor.

As many owners may not initially fully understand the value of a TE (if there is much value, all depends on your scoring)

OR

injuries happen, and a owner may now find himself with 4 starting RB, and no TE

OR

an owner may have stacked himself at QB and now finds himself in need of a TE

It all comes down to which player he thinks will have better trade value in 2 months or so, but I have rarely seen TEs get dealt for top WRs or RBs during a season. Maybe QB if the Peyton owner's #2 gets on fire.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

It's like a few people have said - it depends on your league. Ignore the dopes who keep trying to tell you because it doesn't work in THEIR league it can't work in yours.

This really has nothing to do with league setup or anything. It doesn't even really have anything to do with tight ends.The OP is proposing to take PLAYER A in the 5th round, and then trade said player for PLAYER B. If PLAYER B is worth more than a 5th round pick, why would anyone make this trade with the OP? And if PLAYER B is worth less than a 5th round pick, why would the OP make this trade?

So forget about "the value of TEs" and "the dynamics of your league" and whatnot. Basically what the OP is proposing is some kind of fantasy alchemy where he magically turns a 5th round pick into a player that is worth more than a 5th round pick. Please explain why such a strategy would make sense or work in any league format. And if it works, why aren't fantasy owners everywhere employing this strategy every year?

It is called value.And those value' change from August to November.

Trading 1 of the 2 TE's he took in the 4th and 5th for a RB/WR taken in the 2nd may not work the day after the draft.

But it could work 2 weeks/2 months after.

Is the only basis to a trade where you took a player in the draft?

So last November while Forte is a top 5 RB, would someone have not traded Braylon for Forte because Braylon was a 2nd RD pick and Forte was a 7th RD pick?

IMO "value of the TE" and "the dynamics of your league" do play a factor.

As many owners may not initially fully understand the value of a TE (if there is much value, all depends on your scoring)

OR

injuries happen, and a owner may now find himself with 4 starting RB, and no TE

OR

an owner may have stacked himself at QB and now finds himself in need of a TE

It's not about where the player was drafted, it's about his value - the day after the draft or two months into the season. The second best TE in fantasy has a value of a 5th round pick. WHATEVER AN OWNER IS WILLING TO PAY . The OP wants to trade that player for another player who has the value of a 3rd round pick. Whether he does that right after the draft or halfway through the season, or whether the player he gets in return was drafted in the 3rd round or the 7th round, he's expecting to trade 5th round value straight up for 3rd round value or better. It's not worth two top-5 picks and two roster spots to take a chance that in a best-case scenario, six weeks into the season somebody may find himself with 4 starting RB and no TE, and decides trading a starting fantasy RB to you straight up for a TE that's been on your bench all year is a good idea.

I have fixed the above to reflect how I feel.And for that reason I think understanding your league dynamic, and the value of TE as a whole in your league plays a big factor.

I have seen owners pay a lot more than "perceived value" due to their situations.

Same as an owner taking Brees and Manning in the 2/3rd and then looking to trade him for a top RB who was taken in the 1st.

Knowing your league mates tendencies is the key to whether this works or not.

Yes, some owners will say why would I trade you Portis who I took at 1.12 for Manning who you took at 3.2?

IMO, that is a shortsighted way of looking at trades and value

You're still talking about where a player is drafted, which is not what I'm talking about. In a trade between Portis and Manning, I agree that it's irrelevant whether Portis was taken in the first and Manning was taken in the third. But there is an objective value that each player holds that is independent of where they were drafted. My point is that the OP is trying to trade 5th round value (not necessarily a 5th round pick) for 3rd round value (not necessarily a 3rd round pick).I guess our disconnect really stems from the fact that I'm operating under the assumption that an owner will only be willing to pay an amount that is approximately commensurate with what the player is worth to his team - that the perceived value doesn't deviate too far from the actual value. If we want to consider the possibility that someone will be eager to overpay for a player, then sure, draft two tight ends in the first five rounds and trade one away. I don't play in any leagues where that would work - in fact I am almost certain it would backfire horribly - but I guess if there are others in the OP's league who value TEs as highly as he apparently does, then maybe it's viable.

 

[fightingillini]

Don't have too much to add, since most of my concerns with the strategy have been discussed. What I will say is....what happens if one of your stud TEs gets hurt or is a bust? Just because they are the top 2 TEs at the beginning, there is no guarantee that they will be the top 2 TEs at time you want to trade. You need both of them to be great to even have a chance at dealing one. If one is a bust or is injured, there goes you so called "trade bait", and you're left with a weaker lineup at other positions.