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Self Driving Cars (1 Viewer)
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Pretty ballsy commercial. Tesla isn’t even there yet and I can’t imagine Mercedes self driving tech is beyond Teslas.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Tesla is in like 7th place at this point. GM, Google, and Amazon all have fully self driving taxi services on the road already in SF and Phoenix.
Willie Neslon
Footballguy
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Sand
Footballguy
They don't allow carts - self driving or not.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I think this is ageist of @Willie Neslon to assume Verne can't drive himself.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Just limited city driving though, correct? Mercedes is making it seem like you can GPS this thing anywhere. Maybe you can. If so, Tesla is way overvalued. That tech valuation should be an automotive manufacturer valuation.
Sand
Footballguy
Wouldn't this be the hardest kind for an AI? Cars, buses, bikes, pedestrians, etc. at a high density. Asking out of ignorance.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I’m no expert either but in my mind it would be easier. Mapping a specific grid instead of asking it to react to roads and situations it’s never encountered.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
My buddy let my newly licensed daughter drive his new Tesla. He put the self driving on. It was freaky. Sitting at a red light to turn right ,at a busy intersection, where the cross traffic is doing 50+. 
And the car had to immediately get over 3 lanes and make a left. Me no likey. 2 week licensed and a robot driving. 
And the car had to immediately get over 3 lanes and make a left. Me no likey. 2 week licensed and a robot driving. 
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Are you asking if the city driving is limited or if it's limited to nothing other than city driver? The city driving is not limited at all. You can call a Waymo (Google's driverless version of Uber) in downtown San Francisco and let it drive you all around the city with no driver in it.
Here is a video of us riding in one from Fisherman's Wharf to a hotel downtown late last year.
Riding FSD with no driver in downtown San Francisco
That's certainly the hardest part (and is the part Tesla can't figure out), so if it can already do that it seems pretty academic to be able to handle the other stuff outside of the city.
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My buddy let my newly licensed daughter drive his new Tesla. He put the self driving on. It was freaky. Sitting at a red light to turn right ,at a busy intersection, where the cross traffic is doing 50+.
Same.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
love my 2016 model S, but no thanks
Nugget
Footballguy
It is impressive, but extremely limited. Drive Pilot.
Only in California and Nevada, max speed 40mph, not good after dark or in the rain, sleet, snow.
And $2500/yr subscription.
Only in California and Nevada, max speed 40mph, not good after dark or in the rain, sleet, snow.
And $2500/yr subscription.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Can’t happen soon enough.
Too bad humans will be slow to relinquish control, as it would be nice not worrying about terrible drivers anymore.
Too bad humans will be slow to relinquish control, as it would be nice not worrying about terrible drivers anymore.
Ron Swanson
Footballguy
I've now got about 10k miles on my aftermarket comma.ai system and I'm very sure it's safer than me driving.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Have they answered the ethical dilemma everyone was talking about 10 years ago?
https://www.ted.com/talks/patrick_lin_the_ethical_dilemma_of_self_driving_cars
I read a while back that Mercedes has said its algorithm will never intentionally crash, endangering their customers, regardless of the circumstances (e.g., crashing into a crowd of schoolchildren carrying puppies rather than taking the driver over a cliff.)
https://www.ted.com/talks/patrick_lin_the_ethical_dilemma_of_self_driving_cars
I read a while back that Mercedes has said its algorithm will never intentionally crash, endangering their customers, regardless of the circumstances (e.g., crashing into a crowd of schoolchildren carrying puppies rather than taking the driver over a cliff.)
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I don’t think there is a single answer, as different cultures value life differently…
The three experimentally-validated priorities are
1. Spare human lives
2. Spare more lives
3. Spare young lives
Sand
Footballguy
This transition will be terribly quick once the AI is good enough. Insurance costs for self driving will go through the roof and force the vast majority of us into auto only drive mode.
We've already seen how quick insurance can go up.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I hope so. Imagine how quickly commuting can be, if human error and indecision are removed from the equation!
And I can’t wait for AI-enhanced dining.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
If we can just get AI to take over when accelerating from a red light I'll be happy. Light turns green, everyone accelerates. Instead of right now where light turns green and everyone waits for the car in front of them to accelerate 40 feet away before they finally bother to hit the gas, and it takes 12x as long.
Especially in a traffic situation where you may not make it through before the light turns red again.
Especially in a traffic situation where you may not make it through before the light turns red again.
I am irrationally annoyed by this. When I am like 10 cars back and see the light turn green, I immediately think "why aren't we moving yet?" I know most of it just comes down to human reaction time, but if we could immediately start moving then I would be much happier.
Runkle
Footballguy
What we need is inter-car communication and coordination.
Also, real, working, honest-to-god, true self-driving means you won't own a car, you'll subscribe to one. No use paying for something that spends 99% of its time off and parked. Much more efficient to have a fleet of self-driving cars just 'around' all the time and pick one up when needed. There's zero point in owning your own fully.
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
Not sure I follow.
For instance - today, without a self-driving vehicle - I could get by without a car if I were willing to utilize services like Uber, or taxis, or busses, or other public modes of transportation.
The value in having my own car now - remains the freedom to go when and where I want.
I don't think any of that changes when self-driving cars become ubiquitous.
In a world where all cars are self-driving the speed limit would likely be raised or even eliminated. Self-driving cars would be so much safer that you wouldn't have to worry about how fast they are going.
Eta: I guess this would really only apply to freeways. You wouldn't want self-driving cars flying around at high speeds in places where pedestrians might wander out in front of them.
The Gator
Footballguy
I read this is MovieGuy's voice
Mister CIA
Footballguy
You'll have to signup for the Race Day subscription if you want to access the fast lane.
Sand
Footballguy
Ugh - I can't wait for the subscriptions with a zillion below the line fees, surge pricing, hotel level taxation. Hopefully this is far enough out I die before I have to deal with this.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Once it’s correctly automated and there are no self drivers, they will go much faster
Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
The Waymo cars are all over the place in SF. Not even a novelty anymore
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Unfortunately, this won't happen in our lifetimes.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
My lifetime probably not. My kids lifetime, without a doubt imo.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I used to think this but with the AI advancements and Moore's Law I'm not so sure any more. The fact that they are on the road in large number in some areas tells me this will get here a lot faster than we think. And sign me up - I hate driving most of the time and would be fine to always be a passenger.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Me too. I used to love driving but as I get older I like it less and less. As I get into my 50s, I’m sure I’m better off being the passenger.
TripItUp
Footballguy
yeah, they've been all over phoenix too...and have been for several years.
is the rest of the country just finding out about this "new" technology?
TripItUp
Footballguy
I suspect increased adoption and rolled out to more zipcodes over the next 20 years as they work out the kinks and as people realize the financial benefits.
It'll be here before people in the flyover states realize....flyover states almost always late to the party because they are not in states close to where the innovation is happening.
It'll be here before people in the flyover states realize....flyover states almost always late to the party because they are not in states close to where the innovation is happening.
the moops
Footballguy
Phoenix a mecca of innovation these days?
TripItUp
Footballguy
GreenNGold
Footballguy
A city without weather also makes it an ideal testing ground.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I am completely making this number up, but I would wager 90% of Americans outside of California/Arizona have no idea there are fully self driving uber equivalents regularly operating on the roads there.
TripItUp
Footballguy
yeah, that was my point, but you made it succinctly
TripItUp
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I will wait til the flying version.
the moops
Footballguy
Oh, we are talking about Iowa and Arkansas. Let's add Kansas and Nebraska too
TripItUp
Footballguy
those companies exist too
last I heard they were going to use them flying from SLC to Park City....haven't seen anything for a while though
