Sell high on Rudi Johnson? (1 Viewer)

[Lemmiwinks]

After he rolls over the woeful Bucs run D next week... would you consider selling Rudi? I say NO, but thought I'd throw it out there.

His sked is tough, he plays Bal twice, Car, Atl, SD, and Denver in week 16 (championship week). That's six tough matchups.

Of course he also plays NO, Oak, Ind, Cle as well, so there are 4 favorable matchups.

I think Rudi can produce regardless of opponent, based on his tough sked the last two seasons and the success he had. I don't consider him a sell, but I'm wondering what the feeling is around here. Many people I've spoken to think next week is the optimal time to move Rudi.

 

[Sopranos]

No Way. He is a solid 2nd half player..

 

[mojorizin]

Rudi continues to produce regardless of having the toughest run schedule the past few years. Guy that gets the ball consistently is gold. Wouldnt trade him for any one player, and the price I'd ask would be too high for someone to give up two.

 

[bbuster]

If you are selling him, how could it be anything but HIGH? If I had him I would hold on to him. Unless you can find someone to give up the farm for him...ride him all the way.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

i'm thinking about offering the rudi owner westy for him straight up. its a ppr league and thus far westy has outscored rudi by a little over 20 points..

 

[Lobo237]

i'm thinking about offering the rudi owner westy for him straight up. its a ppr league and thus far westy has outscored rudi by a little over 20 points..

I doubt he'll take it. I was offered Mike Bell and Westy for Rudi before Tatum had his breakout and before injury concerns were a factor with Westy. Shot it down. Rudi is a guy who rarely hurts you and when he's on he can win games for you.

 

[my man otis]

There are very few RBs at his level. You'd have to sell high and get who? I hate the two for one trades where you get the two players so that's out, other than that I doubt you'd get a Tomlinson, SA, Portis, LJ, Tiki for him in a trade.

Maybe SA if that suits your fancy but that wouldn't exactlly be selling high IMO, that'd be taking on more risk. I'd rank him above SJax, Westbrook, Ronnie.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

I think Rudi is the best RB to have right now. Whenever I face him I fear/expect two tds regardless of who Cincy is playing. He is a very, very good RB in a very, very good offense, so he will get tons and tons of oppurtunities to score and run out the clock. His situation, in my opinion, is the best in the league.

 

[yinzer]

I think Rudi is the best RB to have right now. Whenever I face him I fear/expect two tds regardless of who Cincy is playing. He is a very, very good RB in a very, very good offense, so he will get tons and tons of oppurtunities to score and run out the clock. His situation, in my opinion, is the best in the league.

agreed...I have him in one league, and unless I could get LT for him straight up, I wouldn't give him up. He's durable, consistent as they come, and always gets goalline opportunities in that offense. Not to mention, he seems to get better late and Cincy is almost always either in it or winning late, so thats just a bonus. I got him with the last pick in the first round (10), and would have taken anywhere from the 4th pick on. He's the most underrated back AND fantasy back in the NFL, and is as consistent a fantasy scorer as really anyone

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Right on. Glad so many people are on board with Rudi, tough sked or not.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Don`t forget Perry is coming off the PUP this week

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Don`t forget Perry is coming off the PUP this week

Well, that just means Rudi's reception totals will go from not many to hardy any.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Anyone want to post trades involving Rudi in your league?

I made a deal involving him before this week's games:

I got:

Rudi

Rivers

He got:

Ronnie Brown

Grossman

 

[yinzer]

Anyone want to post trades involving Rudi in your league?I made a deal involving him before this week's games:I got:RudiRiversHe got:Ronnie BrownGrossman

all i can say is WOW..if you have another pretty good QB (which im guessing you do since you probably didnt draft grossman), you totally made out. I wouldnt want to start Rivers every week, but after how he looked against the Steelers, he should get more consistent. I wouldn't count on many TDs with LT and Turner in the mix though. All thats gravy on the side though because you got RUDI

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Anyone want to post trades involving Rudi in your league?I made a deal involving him before this week's games:I got:RudiRiversHe got:Ronnie BrownGrossman

all i can say is WOW..if you have another pretty good QB (which im guessing you do since you probably didnt draft grossman), you totally made out. I wouldnt want to start Rivers every week, but after how he looked against the Steelers, he should get more consistent. I wouldn't count on many TDs with LT and Turner in the mix though. All thats gravy on the side though because you got RUDI

Start 2 QB league. I already had Hasselbeck, Leftwich and Brees (and now Rivers). The other guy already had Peyton Manning and Vick, so I'm not sure what he was thinking.Even still, the consensus amond people in my league is I LOST on this deal because of Rudi's tough schedule. Hence this post.

 

[jagbag]

Don`t forget Perry is coming off the PUP this week

Well, that just means Rudi's reception totals will go from not many to hardy any.

I don't think it will make much of a difference. K. Watson was in on a lot of passing downs. Perry will take Watson's place.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Don`t forget Perry is coming off the PUP this week

Well, that just means Rudi's reception totals will go from not many to hardy any.

I don't think it will make much of a difference. K. Watson was in on a lot of passing downs. Perry will take Watson's place.

Exactly.But Rudi owners should look into adding Perry if he's available. Perry is a great handcuff.

 

[The Rook]

Anyone want to post trades involving Rudi in your league?I made a deal involving him before this week's games:I got:RudiRiversHe got:Ronnie BrownGrossman

Before this weekends games, I sent Willie Parker and Terry Glenn to another team and receive Rudi Johnson and Drew Bennett. I'm a big Willie Parker fan but I like Rudi's odds of finishing in top 5 RB's while Willie Parker in the top 10.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Don`t forget Perry is coming off the PUP this week

Well, that just means Rudi's reception totals will go from not many to hardy any.

I don't think it will make much of a difference. K. Watson was in on a lot of passing downs. Perry will take Watson's place.

Exactly.But Rudi owners should look into adding Perry if he's available. Perry is a great handcuff.

CINCINNATI -- Running back Chris Perry, a first-round draftpick who has been limited by injuries, will start his third season

with the Cincinnati Bengals sidelined again.

The Bengals put Perry on the physically unable to perform list

Saturday, one of their moves to reach the 53-man roster limit.

Perry had knee and ankle surgery in the offseason, preventing him

from playing in the preseason.

Perry will miss at least the first five games of the season.

He's not eligible to return to practice until Oct. 17 under a

roster exemption.

So he can`t even playweek 7...and he still has to get into football shape...yup , no problemo there..awsome.

 

[cscmtp]

would you guys trade Rudi for SA knowing SA is out and not knowing for sure when he's back at 100% - Dynasty league...

 

[gman8343]

would you guys trade Rudi for SA knowing SA is out and not knowing for sure when he's back at 100% - Dynasty league...

Not in a redraft, and definately not in a dynasty league...

 

[PatsWillWin]

way too much "sell high" "buy low" talk going on this year. why is EVERY player a sell high candidate? whatever happened to drafting a player, the player performing at or above expectations, and KEEPING him?

 

[Riffraff]

way too much "sell high" "buy low" talk going on this year. why is EVERY player a sell high candidate? whatever happened to drafting a player, the player performing at or above expectations, and KEEPING him?

Agreed. Seems alot of people want to lose.

 

[bostonfred]

antibumping this to fix the time zone issue

 

[Marc Levin]

2005, in the second half of the year, using standard FBG fantasy scoring (no PPR, 1/10, 6/TD):week-team-carries-yards-rush TDs-FPs

9 CIN BAL 29 97 1 17.2 11 CIN IND 16 76 2 20.512 CIN BAL 27 114 2 23.913 CIN PIT 21 98 2 22.314 CIN CLE 30 169 1 24.015 CIN DET 24 117 2 25.116 CIN BUF 18 88 0 9.617 CIN KC 10 18 0 1.7

2004:

10 CIN WAS 31 102 1 16.2 11 CIN PIT 16 62 0 6.312 CIN CLE 26 202 2 32.713 CIN BAL 19 56 0 5.914 CIN NE 24 89 0 12.415 CIN BUF 23 130 1 19.016 CIN NYG 19 31 1 10.417 CIN PHI 28 99 3 27.9

You simply don't get rid of Rudi b/c of his schedule or because he has tough divisional opponents in Pitt. and Bal. He has success against those teams - and his run in the second half last year was incredible when you consider he was playing through injuries the entire time.I didn't think Rudi would finish in the top-5 RBs this year. I was sure he'd warrant his ADP, but I didn't think the upside was there. With LJ not quite LJ, with Tiki not quite Tiki, and with SA missing time, there is definitely a hole in the top-5 for Rudi to step into just by completing this 16 game season! I wouldn't get rid of a top-5 RB unless I was getting top-5 RB value back - if you get offers you would expect to get for LT/Portis, then sure, sell.I'd keep him, but that's me. You have to manage your team as best you can - you may need to sell Rudi to get two starting spots - with TO, Randy Moss and Chad Johnson not performing up to their ADPs, and with Fitz now gone for a month or so, I could see someone downgrading from Rudi to a lower level RB1 plus a decent starting WR.

 

[Marc Levin]

antibumping this to fix the time zone issue

Tx - the time stamping is screwed up all over this board today.

 

[Marc Levin]

Every player is a possible "sell high". What if I got CJ and SJax for Rudi? Wouldn't that be to my advantage?

Though CJohn has not been performing up to his ADP.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Every player is a possible "sell high". What if I got CJ and SJax for Rudi? Wouldn't that be to my advantage?

Though CJohn has not been performing up to his ADP.

I am not worried about CJ. He was hurt after that Brown's game and now has had a bye week to heal up. IMO, now is the time to try and buy him because if he has a big game, everyone will know he's back and hold on for dear life.CJ is one of the most consistent receivers in the NFL. I would not give up on him, ever.

 

[TheAbeFroman]

As a Rudi owner I have another point to make regarding playoff schedules and RB's vs. good DEF's towards the end.

No matter who your RB is, and in this case we'll use Rudi, it shouldn't matter who the opponet is...it should matter where your RB's team is ranked going into the FF playoffs. You can have all the L.J.'s and Peyton's you want but if "their" team is not a contender for the NFL Playoffs, chances are they'll see more pine than turf in the last few games of the season. On the flip side of that coin having a Peyton, who's locked up the division w/ home field advantage, will also be riding the bench. You want guys who are great but are also on teams that will NEED to be gutting it out all the way to the end so they can make the NFL playoffs. CIN's division is close right now and might be that way 'till the end. Another one is the NFC East. If you can pick-up any player in that Division, NYG-PHI-DAL-WAS, grab them. Those are 4 teams that will be doing battle for placement, AGAINST EACHOTHER the last 3 games, 'till the end of the season. THat's just me though and I'm also glad no one in my league knows anything about this site.

 

[Keg]

First of all, I'm a Rudi owner. I love Rudi. Love the way he plays the game and the production he's always shown.

BUT..... Chris Perry was starting to absolutely kill Rudi's production early last year. Palmer was throwing all over the place, and Perry was on the field more and more, even at the goal line, which was the most concerning. Rudi hadn't done too much last year until Perry got hurt. Once Perry was out of the way, Rudi took off and had the monster year. He singlehandedly vaulted me back into the playoffs, as I'm sure he did with many other owners.

But make no mistake, with Perry coming back soon, he will definitely eat into Rudi's production - a lot maybe. The Bengals seem high on Perry and are getting him the ball on more than just third down. I'm not going to go out looking to trade Rudi, but if someone came to me with a good offer, I would definitely listen.

i will never understand why people cant get past the chris perry thing...i have laid it out in the PS PLAYER SPOTLIGHT but some people just see what they want to see

 

[Marc Levin]

As a Rudi owner I have another point to make regarding playoff schedules and RB's vs. good DEF's towards the end.

No matter who your RB is, and in this case we'll use Rudi, it shouldn't matter who the opponet is...it should matter where your RB's team is ranked going into the FF playoffs. You can have all the L.J.'s and Peyton's you want but if "their" team is not a contender for the NFL Playoffs, chances are they'll see more pine than turf in the last few games of the season. On the flip side of that coin having a Peyton, who's locked up the division w/ home field advantage, will also be riding the bench. You want guys who are great but are also on teams that will NEED to be gutting it out all the way to the end so they can make the NFL playoffs. CIN's division is close right now and might be that way 'till the end. Another one is the NFC East. If you can pick-up any player in that Division, NYG-PHI-DAL-WAS, grab them. Those are 4 teams that will be doing battle for placement, AGAINST EACHOTHER the last 3 games, 'till the end of the season. THat's just me though and I'm also glad no one in my league knows anything about this site.

The first part of the bolded statement is incorrect, but the rest is dead on.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Every player is a possible "sell high". What if I got CJ and SJax for Rudi? Wouldn't that be to my advantage?

 

[schlesinj]

A team in my league is about to trade Tatum Bell and Deuce McCallister for Rudi. The team getting Deuce and Bell has Reggie Bush and lost D Davis early so he has been playing without a 3rd RB all season since we play flex.

The team with Tatum and Deuce has some depth and will start Rudi, Jordan and Maroney the rest of the year but has some solid WR if Maroney continues to split.

This is just a 10 team, No PPR, standard 1 pt per 20 yard, 6 pt per TD league.

 

[BeTheMatch]

First of all, I'm a Rudi owner. I love Rudi. Love the way he plays the game and the production he's always shown.

BUT..... Chris Perry was starting to absolutely kill Rudi's production early last year. Palmer was throwing all over the place, and Perry was on the field more and more, even at the goal line, which was the most concerning. Rudi hadn't done too much last year until Perry got hurt. Once Perry was out of the way, Rudi took off and had the monster year. He singlehandedly vaulted me back into the playoffs, as I'm sure he did with many other owners.

But make no mistake, with Perry coming back soon, he will definitely eat into Rudi's production - a lot maybe. The Bengals seem high on Perry and are getting him the ball on more than just third down. I'm not going to go out looking to trade Rudi, but if someone came to me with a good offer, I would definitely listen.

 

[inca911]

I traded away:

Fast Willie Parker and Burress

and got:

Rudi and Muhammad

Like the poster above, I think Rudi is an upgrade over FWP.

 

[Jagerbomber]

I traded away:Fast Willie Parker and Burressand got:Rudi and MuhammadLike the poster above, I think Rudi is an upgrade over FWP.

FWP is a high-end RB2 with RB1 potential depending on the matchup.Rudi is a must-start RB1 every week. Congrats!There's no way I could part with Rudi. Considering how relatively mediocre the Big Three have been this year (relative being the key word), Rudi's been just as good as them if not better.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

First of all, I'm a Rudi owner. I love Rudi. Love the way he plays the game and the production he's always shown.BUT..... Chris Perry was starting to absolutely kill Rudi's production early last year. Palmer was throwing all over the place, and Perry was on the field more and more, even at the goal line, which was the most concerning. Rudi hadn't done too much last year until Perry got hurt. Once Perry was out of the way, Rudi took off and had the monster year. He singlehandedly vaulted me back into the playoffs, as I'm sure he did with many other owners.But make no mistake, with Perry coming back soon, he will definitely eat into Rudi's production - a lot maybe. The Bengals seem high on Perry and are getting him the ball on more than just third down. I'm not going to go out looking to trade Rudi, but if someone came to me with a good offer, I would definitely listen.

Don`t forget that Rudi was playing on an injured knee...so i would think that the team decided that if Rudi wants to play hurt then at the very least we can use Perry more than usual to spell him.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Anyone want to post trades involving Rudi in your league?I made a deal involving him before this week's games:I got:RudiRiversHe got:Ronnie BrownGrossman

I made an offer, which I have not heard back on.I offered Tiki Barber and Drew Bledsoe for Rudi Johnson and Brad Johnson.

 

[malice]

I can't see getting equal value in a 1-for-1 trade with trading away Rudi for another #1 RB, but I am entertaining the possibility of trading him for T.Bell and Maroney (Dillon is currently on my bench).

Our playoffs start in week 15, and although Rudi has a sweet matchup against a soft IND run defense, the prospect of T.Bell and Maroney vs. two soft defenses (and not having to deal with Rudi vs. DEN in week 16) would be worth the swap for me.

 

[Turkey Rollers]

I was just offered Cadillac and D-Jax for Rudi. Not enough in my opinion.

 

[malice]

After today's game, this needs a BUMP

CAR and ATL next on the agenda (CAR better than TB's run defense, ATL's possibly on the decline), then a 1-2 punch of BAL and SD...trade deadline for many leagues will be at or after those games.

Fair market value may be tough to get now. Depending on where you're at standings-wise, if he has a solid game against either CAR or ATL, I think you have to move him.

 

[Marc Levin]

After today's game, this needs a BUMP

CAR and ATL next on the agenda (CAR better than TB's run defense, ATL's possibly on the decline), then a 1-2 punch of BAL and SD...trade deadline for many leagues will be at or after those games.

Fair market value may be tough to get now. Depending on where you're at standings-wise, if he has a solid game against either CAR or ATL, I think you have to move him.

Why? One bad game? TB's rush D suXor, but they were 0-4. Like i posted above, Rudi plays well regardless of the quality of the run D ahead of him.

 

[mr. furley]

After today's game, this needs a BUMP

CAR and ATL next on the agenda (CAR better than TB's run defense, ATL's possibly on the decline), then a 1-2 punch of BAL and SD...trade deadline for many leagues will be at or after those games.

Fair market value may be tough to get now. Depending on where you're at standings-wise, if he has a solid game against either CAR or ATL, I think you have to move him.

Why? One bad game? TB's rush D suXor, but they were 0-4. Like i posted above, Rudi plays well regardless of the quality of the run D ahead of him.

not exactly a very convincing arguement here.

 

[Marc Levin]

After today's game, this needs a BUMP

CAR and ATL next on the agenda (CAR better than TB's run defense, ATL's possibly on the decline), then a 1-2 punch of BAL and SD...trade deadline for many leagues will be at or after those games.

Fair market value may be tough to get now. Depending on where you're at standings-wise, if he has a solid game against either CAR or ATL, I think you have to move him.

Why? One bad game? TB's rush D suXor, but they were 0-4. Like i posted above, Rudi plays well regardless of the quality of the run D ahead of him.

not exactly a very convincing arguement here.

You need to look up at my previous posts.His upcoming schedule is not a reason to sell him.

The 0-4 comment was unfinished - I meant to finish it by posting "and 0-4 teams tend to play EXTREMELY tough at home. Plusm TB was coming off their bye week and Gruden has a great after bye week record"

In short, as I showed above, you can't say Rudi's tough run schedule is a reason to sell high. He's been consistent as heck, and plays well down the stretch, even though he faces Bal and Pit twice every year. Why should facing Atl (who just gave up a TON of rush yardage to Tiki) and Car have anything to do with why you should or should not trade Rudi?

 

[malice]

After today's game, this needs a BUMP

CAR and ATL next on the agenda (CAR better than TB's run defense, ATL's possibly on the decline), then a 1-2 punch of BAL and SD...trade deadline for many leagues will be at or after those games.

Fair market value may be tough to get now. Depending on where you're at standings-wise, if he has a solid game against either CAR or ATL, I think you have to move him.

Why? One bad game? TB's rush D suXor, but they were 0-4. Like i posted above, Rudi plays well regardless of the quality of the run D ahead of him.

You seem to have forgotten week 3 vs. PIT as well- 19 carries for 47 yds. He only has 1 100-yd game this year (CLE- no surprise there) and the playcalling seems to go to the passing game when the game is tight (even when CIN was in the lead today they went with 22 passing plays vs. 13 running plays- and at one point it was a 2:1 ratio of pass vs. run calls). If you're looking at <10 pts for the next 3/4 games, I think you have to move him if you can get another RB1 for him at this point.

 

[Marc Levin]

After today's game, this needs a BUMP

CAR and ATL next on the agenda (CAR better than TB's run defense, ATL's possibly on the decline), then a 1-2 punch of BAL and SD...trade deadline for many leagues will be at or after those games.

Fair market value may be tough to get now. Depending on where you're at standings-wise, if he has a solid game against either CAR or ATL, I think you have to move him.

Why? One bad game? TB's rush D suXor, but they were 0-4. Like i posted above, Rudi plays well regardless of the quality of the run D ahead of him.

You seem to have forgotten week 3 vs. PIT as well- 19 carries for 47 yds. He only has 1 100-yd game this year (CLE- no surprise there) and the playcalling seems to go to the passing game when the game is tight (even when CIN was in the lead today they went with 22 passing plays vs. 13 running plays- and at one point it was a 2:1 ratio of pass vs. run calls). If you're looking at <10 pts for the next 3/4 games, I think you have to move him if you can get another RB1 for him at this point.

This, I'll agree with - if you think Rudi will have sub-10 point games the next three games, sell him.I don't.

 

[LivingTheDream]

Rudi just isn't that good of a RB. He gets yards when there are holes and when there aren't he can't create. He's also not involved in the passing game.

 

[Marc Levin]

Rudi just isn't that good of a RB. He gets yards when there are holes and when there aren't he can't create.

So what? I hear this same argument about Ronnie Brown and it is b.s. A RB's job is not to create where no hgoles are present - it is to make the most out of every running play.

He's also not involved in the passing game.

That is true and is one of the reasons I argued he could not be a top-5 RB this year.

 

[malice]

Rudi just isn't that good of a RB. He gets yards when there are holes and when there aren't he can't create. He's also not involved in the passing game.

I disagree with this statement- I think on a number of other teams, he'd be solid. But with a guy like Carson Palmer and the sheer number of weapons he has at the WR position, I think the coaching staff believes more in their passing game than their running game to get the job done.Considering where he fell to me in the draft (10th overall), I was very happy to get him. But at this point, if I can get another top 15 back in a 1:1 trade, I'm willing to do it.

 

[mario soto]

i will never understand why people cant get past the chris perry thing...i have laid it out in the PS PLAYER SPOTLIGHT but some people just see what they want to see

Maybe they didn't understand that the almight 'Keg' already laid it out for them .