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My shopping list is rather long for this week. It will get shorter as the season progresses. I feel that it is important to go after the studs until they have their first big game of the year. While we all know that Shaun Alexander is a great performer, some will have a few doubts forming after the opening week. If he tears it up and scores twice next week, you can forget about making any offers for several weeks. The same goes for the other studs on my list of players to target. So I will make an effort to target every top player until their performance removes any potential value in the trade.

My list of players to move is much shorter because I projected those players to do well for what I consider to be sound reasons. Unless I see that the situation has changed, I will not revise that reasoning on the strength of one game. The only things that would cause me to downgrade a player are injuries to the player or a key starter, demotion, or a reduced role in some phase of the game.

To finance all of those offers, here are some of the players I am looking to part with. There are very few players that I would never trade, but here are the ones that I am actively shopping because I think they are now overvalued.

Quarterback

Kurt Warner

I watched every snap of the Cardinals' game this week and Warner looked very good through most of it. He scrambled and bought time to make plays, he threw a lot of accurate passes, and he surpassed 300 yards with three TDs. Fitzgerald had a number of drops so Warner's numbers could have been even better. There are two reasons that I would want to move him. Firstly, he was facing the 49ers. The team was terrible at stopping the run or the pass last year and this year doesn't look any different so far. So I don't expect the Cardinals to be so effective against most of their opponents. But the big reason I would want to trade Warner is the fact that he has started just 27 of the last 65 games for his various teams. A few of those games came when he was benched in favor of Eli Manning, but the majority of missed time was due to injury. The Cardinals' line is not great, and I think Warner will get hurt again. If he does, it is possible that Matt Leinart could take the job permanently, even with the poor record of rookie QBs that are forced into action in their initial year. Warner's value could hardly be higher. An owner still won't give up Carson Palmer for Warner after one week, so I would probably look to make a multi-player deal targeting one of the QBs in my buy low thread. I accept that Warner could be top five if he plays a full season, but I would rather let another owner take on the associated risks. For the same reasons, I would consider moving Fitzgerald or Boldin if the Holt/Chad Johnson/Steve Smith owners are getting nervous.

Byron Leftwich

Leftwich faces the Steelers this week, and his value should fall considerably. His receivers are inexperienced and will take time to develop. He has a tendency to miss a game or two. His road record is poor, averaging 13.9 fantasy points since 2003. I would much rather cash in on the great start by Leftwich and target a possible top ten QB like Jake Plummer.

Honorable mention: Donovan McNabb might be worth packaging in a multi-player deal to acquire Peyton Manning. There is no other QB that would make me give up McNabb and it has to be noted that McNabb's perceived value is extremely high this week.

Running Back

Frank Gore

Gore looked very impressive against the Cardinals. He made a couple of big plays and gained ground several times after he should have been stopped. Both TD runs should have been prevented but he was able to move the tacklers into the end zone. He is ranked number one after one week and even the most rabid 49er fan would expect him to finish well below that. There are a lot of RBs that had a poor week, so I would target one of the better options and include Gore in the deal.

Brian Westbrook

Westbrook is a good fantasy option, but he is not a workhorse back like most of the studs. With just two games with 20 or more carries over his career, he relies on his receiving ability for the extra touches. Sometimes it pays off, but other times you are left with minimal points. His injury history is a bit of a worry too. He has never started more than 12 games in a season. His size does not make him a good goal line option and he is likely to lose those carries to Buckhalter or Moats. Don't get me wrong, Westbrook is a quality addition to any FF roster, especially in point per reception leagues, but his value is sky high after last week and the opportunity exists to upgrade.

Chester Taylor

The Vikings ran Taylor 31 times last week and he was involved in the passing game. The 2.8 ypc was poor and he will obviously not get such a heavy workload every game. He showed some promise, but there are better options available that happened to have a bad game last week.

Fred Taylor

It's worth seeing what you can get for him although most owners deeply mistrust his ability to stay healthy. It will probably take a few more good performances before Taylor's value is high enough, and with his low TD totals and injury history, that probably won't happen. But we can try.

Edgerrin James

James posted reasonable fantasy numbers, but it came against the 49ers. During the first half, James was only able to average around two yards per carry. The Cardinals persisted and James had around four yards per carry in the second half and managed to score. The line did not look capable of opening the holes and I would really think about moving James while he still has value.

Willie Parker

Most football fans will have seen Parker in the season opener. He almost broke a couple of big runs and he went over 100 yards. But Cowher knows that Parker can't get 29 carries every game, and he is already talking about ways to limit him. Davenport has been added, and will probably get the short yardage and goal line work that was previously Parker's to claim. His TD totals will probably limit his value again this year.

Wide Receivers

Donte' Stallworth

Stallworth had a huge game and is in the perfect situation. The Eagles love to pass and McNabb has worked with much less talented receivers in the past. Stallworth is no Owens, but on this team he could be very valuable. But 141 yards and a TD on nine targets makes his perceived value false. He won't score a 42 yard TD too often, or face a team like the Texans. With so many top receivers having a down week, I would use Stallworth to try and acquire a better prospect with a proven track record.

Laveranues Coles

Coles is another receiver that I like. He has two top 15 seasons to his name and has been badly limited by poor QB play and a toe injury for the last two years. The talent is still there and I have him on a few rosters after picking him up in the middle rounds. While I was impressed this week, Pennington is still an injury risk. The QBs behind him aren't that great, or at least not yet. Coles is not a big threat to score TDs with just 24 in the last 80 games. Ten targets will not often lead to eight catches for 150+ yards so I would see what upgrades might be available. Tennessee has a poor secondary and the Jets' schedule will get a lot tougher.

Tight End

Heath Miller

I actually lowered expectations for Heath Miller after his opening game. I was very high on him before because I anticipated that he would get a few more goal line looks after the departure of Jerome Bettis. With Randle El leaving, I also thought Miller could be the second option behind Ward in the passing game. I realize that things may change when Roethlisberger returns, but I was very disappointed to see Miller targeted on just three occasions. He happened to catch all three, and broke one for an 87 yard TD that should have been ruled out, but three targets will lead to a lot of poor games from Miller. This is a situation that has to be watched. Will Miller get an increased role in the passing game after his big contribution? Will Roethlisberger look to him more? I don't know those answers yet. But what I do know is that Miller has to be overvalued at this point. Some owners will have lost their game while facing Miller. With Heap and a few others having mediocre games, I think it is time to make a few offers with Miller as part of the bait.

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I just can't bring myself to shopping Westbrook, and I'm not even in a PPR league... I guess that says how much faith I have in his talent/ability (and Philly's focus on getting him the ball to make plays) despite the fact that he won't see many games with 20+ touches, looks in the redzone, Buckhalter's presence etc. It's almost like I see him as a playmaker, rather than an RB. And while I can understand your logic, the makeup of my team is such that I can have an x factor type in Westbrook since I have him surrounded with a more dependable week to week supporting cast (like Driver, Ward, Ronnie etc.)

 
I just can't bring myself to shopping Westbrook, and I'm not even in a PPR league... I guess that says how much faith I have in his talent/ability (and Philly's focus on getting him the ball to make plays) despite the fact that he won't see many games with 20+ touches, looks in the redzone, Buckhalter's presence etc. It's almost like I see him as a playmaker, rather than an RB. And while I can understand your logic, the makeup of my team is such that I can have an x factor type in Westbrook since I have him surrounded with a more dependable week to week supporting cast (like Driver, Ward, Ronnie etc.)
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I wouldn't be so quick to dump Chester Taylor. The 'Skins still have a good defense and lots of RBs last year performed worse than 90 yds & a TD. OTOH, if someone in your league saw the Taylor performance and is willing to give up a lot to get him I would do the trade. I guess I am trying to say that Taylor didn't really move up or down my board due to his performace so I don't view him personally as a "sell high" but others may. He won't get 31 carries every game but he won't be below 3.0 YPC every game either.

 
Chester Taylor

The Vikings ran Taylor 31 times last week and he was involved in the passing game. The 2.8 ypc was poor and he will obviously not get such a heavy workload every game. He showed some promise, but there are better options available that happened to have a bad game last week.
No Plan To Reduce RB C. Taylor's Carries"The Vikings apparently have no plan to lighten Taylor's load.

"Running backs usually get better the warmer they get, the more feel they get for the game," Childress said. "They can kind of get lathered up a little bit. In a perfect world, that's what you do; you lather a guy up."

Not saying you're wrong, but there is an article that says you are. He may not get 31 carries every week but he is clearly the centerpiece of this offense and will continue to get fed the ball in both the running game and passing game.

Also the Redskins run defense is top tier which may account for a lot of that low YPC.

I wouldn't sell Chester as his schedule gets much better in the second half ending with the Lions, Jets and Packers for most people playoffs in week 14, 15 and 16. :thumbup:

 
I would disagree with:

Lefty - I think Jack is still looking to find an "identity" on O. They played what was supposed to be one of the NFLs best Ds in Dal. Despite that, Lefty managed a very good fantasy day. I don't see things getting worse for him. Injury aside.

Gore - Sure, Gore exploded and will not likley have another game like his week one performance vs the hapless Cards D. However, this is NORV TURNER'S O. It will run through Frank Gore. If he can stay healthy this year, top 10 is easily within reach. I don't trade players I think can be top 10 unless I get top 10 in return. I'm betting nobody is willing to pay that price for Gore just yet.

Westy - The guy is simply a stud. Can run well and when that is not working is a key cog in the passing game. Injuries had hampered him in years past. Still, when he is healthy he produces.

 
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I just can't bring myself to shopping Westbrook, and I'm not even in a PPR league... I guess that says how much faith I have in his talent/ability (and Philly's focus on getting him the ball to make plays) despite the fact that he won't see many games with 20+ touches, looks in the redzone, Buckhalter's presence etc. It's almost like I see him as a playmaker, rather than an RB. And while I can understand your logic, the makeup of my team is such that I can have an x factor type in Westbrook since I have him surrounded with a more dependable week to week supporting cast (like Driver, Ward, Ronnie etc.)
I guess that his upside would be in the Tiki Barber range if he plays 16 games and the Eagles have a good season. I wouldn't give him away of course, but there are a few better players that I would take in exchange. I agree that he is capable of making plays all over the field. It's just that he has never fully realized all of his potential. Injuries to him, and to his supporting cast on occasion, have meant that he has finished 20th, 10th and 18th over the last three seasons. So if I can get a top ten guy in exchange, I probably win on the deal. It's always tough to give up a good player though.
 
Chester Taylor

The Vikings ran Taylor 31 times last week and he was involved in the passing game. The 2.8 ypc was poor and he will obviously not get such a heavy workload every game. He showed some promise, but there are better options available that happened to have a bad game last week.
No Plan To Reduce RB C. Taylor's Carries"The Vikings apparently have no plan to lighten Taylor's load.

"Running backs usually get better the warmer they get, the more feel they get for the game," Childress said. "They can kind of get lathered up a little bit. In a perfect world, that's what you do; you lather a guy up."

Not saying you're wrong, but there is an article that says you are. He may not get 31 carries every week but he is clearly the centerpiece of this offense and will continue to get fed the ball in both the running game and passing game.

Also the Redskins run defense is top tier which may account for a lot of that low YPC.

I wouldn't sell Chester as his schedule gets much better in the second half ending with the Lions, Jets and Packers for most people playoffs in week 14, 15 and 16. :thumbup:
Good points and I do like that schedule at an important time in the season. But I am just saying that he won't get 496 carries (31 per game). He might get 350-400 but that's still a significant drop compared to week one.
 
Why not to move Westy yet:

Week 3: SF

Week 4: GB

4 weeks tells a lot more than 1 week and he should have a much higher value.

Works out well for me since I have LT/Tiki as my #1/2 with bye-weeks of 3 and 4. Will likely trade Westy after week 4 myself.

 
I just can't bring myself to shopping Westbrook, and I'm not even in a PPR league... I guess that says how much faith I have in his talent/ability (and Philly's focus on getting him the ball to make plays) despite the fact that he won't see many games with 20+ touches, looks in the redzone, Buckhalter's presence etc. It's almost like I see him as a playmaker, rather than an RB. And while I can understand your logic, the makeup of my team is such that I can have an x factor type in Westbrook since I have him surrounded with a more dependable week to week supporting cast (like Driver, Ward, Ronnie etc.)
I guess that his upside would be in the Tiki Barber range if he plays 16 games and the Eagles have a good season. I wouldn't give him away of course, but there are a few better players that I would take in exchange. I agree that he is capable of making plays all over the field. It's just that he has never fully realized all of his potential. Injuries to him, and to his supporting cast on occasion, have meant that he has finished 20th, 10th and 18th over the last three seasons. So if I can get a top ten guy in exchange, I probably win on the deal. It's always tough to give up a good player though.
Is it that easy to predict who is a top ten guy this year already? After about 7 I think it gets very cloudy.
 
Chester Taylor

The Vikings ran Taylor 31 times last week and he was involved in the passing game. The 2.8 ypc was poor and he will obviously not get such a heavy workload every game. He showed some promise, but there are better options available that happened to have a bad game last week.
No Plan To Reduce RB C. Taylor's Carries"The Vikings apparently have no plan to lighten Taylor's load.

"Running backs usually get better the warmer they get, the more feel they get for the game," Childress said. "They can kind of get lathered up a little bit. In a perfect world, that's what you do; you lather a guy up."

Not saying you're wrong, but there is an article that says you are. He may not get 31 carries every week but he is clearly the centerpiece of this offense and will continue to get fed the ball in both the running game and passing game.

Also the Redskins run defense is top tier which may account for a lot of that low YPC.

I wouldn't sell Chester as his schedule gets much better in the second half ending with the Lions, Jets and Packers for most people playoffs in week 14, 15 and 16. :thumbup:
Good points and I do like that schedule at an important time in the season. But I am just saying that he won't get 496 carries (31 per game). He might get 350-400 but that's still a significant drop compared to week one.
He might get fewer carries but he will likely have a higher YPC.Again, week 1 showed that he is the centerpiece of the Vikings offense. I don't see why you would sell that, short of getting a real stud player in return , just becuase he won't get 31 carries every week.

 
I would disagree with:Lefty - I think Jack is still looking to find an "identity" on O. They played what was supposed to be one of the NFLs best Ds in Dal. Despite that, LEfty managed a very good fantasy day. I don't see things getting worse for him. Injury aside.Gore - Sure, Gore exploded and will not likley have another game like his week one performance vs the hapless Cards D. However, this is NORV TURNER'S O. It will run through Frank Gore. If he can stay healthy this year, top 10 is easily within reach. I don't trade players I think can be top 10 unless I get top 10 in return. I'm better nobody is willing to pay that proce for Gore just yet.Westy - The guy is simply a stud. Can run well and when that is not working is a key cog in the passing game. Injuries had hampered him in years past. Still, when he is healthy he produces.
We will have to disagree on Leftwich. I have no faith in him at all.SF did stay with the run, even when they were down by 14. I agree that Gore has top 10 possibilities and I would certainly look for another top 10 back in any deal.The same with Westbrook. I was pointing out that his value is inflated but I don't question his ability. It may well be that nobody will part with a player I like more than Westbrook, but I would be trying. It might be possible to package Westbrook with a top receiver for Alexander or Larry Johnson this week.
 
I just can't bring myself to shopping Westbrook, and I'm not even in a PPR league... I guess that says how much faith I have in his talent/ability (and Philly's focus on getting him the ball to make plays) despite the fact that he won't see many games with 20+ touches, looks in the redzone, Buckhalter's presence etc. It's almost like I see him as a playmaker, rather than an RB.
I agree with this. He is the closest thing to Reggie Bush in the league at RB. He can do it all. I would actually wait for him to have a huge game before I would move him....& I would need quite a bit in return.
 
I would disagree with:Lefty - I think Jack is still looking to find an "identity" on O. They played what was supposed to be one of the NFLs best Ds in Dal. Despite that, LEfty managed a very good fantasy day. I don't see things getting worse for him. Injury aside.Gore - Sure, Gore exploded and will not likley have another game like his week one performance vs the hapless Cards D. However, this is NORV TURNER'S O. It will run through Frank Gore. If he can stay healthy this year, top 10 is easily within reach. I don't trade players I think can be top 10 unless I get top 10 in return. I'm better nobody is willing to pay that proce for Gore just yet.Westy - The guy is simply a stud. Can run well and when that is not working is a key cog in the passing game. Injuries had hampered him in years past. Still, when he is healthy he produces.
I agree and would add FWP to this list. If I was looking to move Gore it would be because I think injury is likely and hopefully a homer is "too" high on him. But I would seek mad value. I doubt I could get it. Parker and Westbrook look like studs to me. You'd have to pry them from my cold dead hands. Then I had Parker at RB7 going into the season. Lefty was worth his ADP and probably cannot be upgraded because like Fred Taylor, he doesn't have inflated value despite the good game. I guess either Jag could soon have that kind of value.Nitpicking Muses. I liked the rest of your list... a lot.
 
OTOH, if someone in your league saw the Taylor performance and is willing to give up a lot to get him I would do the trade.
This was my hope. Taylor certainly has value, but if I can get more than that value in return, I would do it. This week's performance makes that possible.
 
Why not to move Westy yet:Week 3: SFWeek 4: GB4 weeks tells a lot more than 1 week and he should have a much higher value.Works out well for me since I have LT/Tiki as my #1/2 with bye-weeks of 3 and 4. Will likely trade Westy after week 4 myself.
Excellent point :thumbup:
 
Wide Receivers

Donte' Stallworth

Stallworth had a huge game and is in the perfect situation. The Eagles love to pass and McNabb has worked with much less talented receivers in the past. Stallworth is no Owens, but on this team he could be very valuable. But 141 yards and a TD on nine targets makes his perceived value false. He won't score a 42 yard TD too often, or face a team like the Texans. With so many top receivers having a down week, I would use Stallworth to try and acquire a better prospect with a proven track record.

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Not sure I can agree here. If you take away Stallworth's TD (which, as you know, we probably shouldn't do in evaluating a player)--but if we did--he still had a 100-yard receiving game. Plus, how does Stallworth *not* fulfill the TO role in this offense? Don't get me wrong, Stallworth is no TO, but I remember several bombs that McNabb lofted to TO. Stallworth can run under those just as easily as TO could. And this offense throws a TON.I am very bullish on Stallworth (even though he was only playing the Texans).

Who would you target to acquire if you were trading Stallworth?

 
Is it that easy to predict who is a top ten guy this year already? After about 7 I think it gets very cloudy.
I doubt many of us can even get seven out of the top ten at this stage. Look at any preseason rankings for last year and it becomes clear that it is hard to predict. If I can get a top five player for Westbrook and another good player, then I'll do it. But I do accept that only seven or eight guys are definitely better options than Westbrook at this point.
 
Maybe I am crazy, but I think hanging on to Fred Taylor is the way to go. He is much tougher than given credit, and sees alot of action in the pass game. With the injury to Jones, I think his touches will remain plentiful. To me, I would like to squeeze some value out of him before offering him up for trade bait.

 
Wide Receivers

Donte' Stallworth

Stallworth had a huge game and is in the perfect situation. The Eagles love to pass and McNabb has worked with much less talented receivers in the past. Stallworth is no Owens, but on this team he could be very valuable. But 141 yards and a TD on nine targets makes his perceived value false. He won't score a 42 yard TD too often, or face a team like the Texans. With so many top receivers having a down week, I would use Stallworth to try and acquire a better prospect with a proven track record.

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Not sure I can agree here. If you take away Stallworth's TD (which, as you know, we probably shouldn't do in evaluating a player)--but if we did--he still had a 100-yard receiving game. Plus, how does Stallworth *not* fulfill the TO role in this offense? Don't get me wrong, Stallworth is no TO, but I remember several bombs that McNabb lofted to TO. Stallworth can run under those just as easily as TO could. And this offense throws a TON.I am very bullish on Stallworth (even though he was only playing the Texans).

Who would you target to acquire if you were trading Stallworth?
I would probably move Stallworth up to the 15-20 range after this game. He showed that he is the number one option I believe, whereas Brown could arguably have been considered such before the game. As for players to target, I sent out an offer of Stallworth/Bryant for Randy Moss/Greg Jennings (who I will drop). The owner is thinking it over.

 
Gore - Sure, Gore exploded and will not likley have another game like his week one performance vs the hapless Cards D. However, this is NORV TURNER'S O. It will run through Frank Gore. If he can stay healthy this year, top 10 is easily within reach. I don't trade players I think can be top 10 unless I get top 10 in return. I'm better nobody is willing to pay that proce for Gore just yet.
:thumbsup:I targeted Gore in many leagues because I subscribe to the idea that lots of touches = great stats. Gore was high on my list as a guy who was in line for tons of touches in Norv Turner's offense, and I don't think anyone is going to give me fair value for him just yet.
 
Wide Receivers

Donte' Stallworth

Stallworth had a huge game and is in the perfect situation. The Eagles love to pass and McNabb has worked with much less talented receivers in the past. Stallworth is no Owens, but on this team he could be very valuable. But 141 yards and a TD on nine targets makes his perceived value false. He won't score a 42 yard TD too often, or face a team like the Texans. With so many top receivers having a down week, I would use Stallworth to try and acquire a better prospect with a proven track record.

:popcorn:
Not sure I can agree here. If you take away Stallworth's TD (which, as you know, we probably shouldn't do in evaluating a player)--but if we did--he still had a 100-yard receiving game. Plus, how does Stallworth *not* fulfill the TO role in this offense? Don't get me wrong, Stallworth is no TO, but I remember several bombs that McNabb lofted to TO. Stallworth can run under those just as easily as TO could. And this offense throws a TON.I am very bullish on Stallworth (even though he was only playing the Texans).

Who would you target to acquire if you were trading Stallworth?
I would probably move Stallworth up to the 15-20 range after this game. He showed that he is the number one option I believe, whereas Brown could arguably have been considered such before the game. As for players to target, I sent out an offer of Stallworth/Bryant for Randy Moss/Greg Jennings (who I will drop). The owner is thinking it over.
I think that is an ideal example of what you mean by sell high/buy low. You're not saying trade Stallworth for Rod Smith or Andre Johnson who may or may not be slight upgrades.
 
Agree with most of these, but disagree on Gore and Coles. Gore is a beast. And I thought the Jets were supposed to have one of the easiest passing schedules this year? I'd hang on to Coles -- definitely in PPR leagues.

 
Agree with most of these, but disagree on Gore and Coles. Gore is a beast.
I usually don't predict injuries, and I think it's foolish to do so, but in Gore's case it may be different. How many ACL tears has he had? I know of 2 in college, and he may have had one in HS. Yes, he's a sell high IMO.
 
Agree with most of these, but disagree on Gore and Coles. Gore is a beast.
I usually don't predict injuries, and I think it's foolish to do so, but in Gore's case it may be different. How many ACL tears has he had? I know of 2 in college, and he may have had one in HS. Yes, he's a sell high IMO.
Isn't it true that after surgery, they are less likely to tear?
 
Agree with most of these, but disagree on Gore and Coles. Gore is a beast.
I usually don't predict injuries, and I think it's foolish to do so, but in Gore's case it may be different. How many ACL tears has he had? I know of 2 in college, and he may have had one in HS. Yes, he's a sell high IMO.
Isn't it true that after surgery, they are less likely to tear?
Gore suffered a torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee in 2001 and redshirted in 2002. He returned and rushed for 100 yards in each of his first three games of the 2003 season, then tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee in the season's fifth gameI read up on it, and it doesn't look like Gore had injury problems in HS. So, it doesn't appear that he's torn the same ACL twice.
 
what kind of player is chester taylor worth right now?

how about kurt warner?

i have been trying to sell high on warner all week but his history precedes him with my fellow owners.

 
Hmm, I'm actually trying to get Westbrook rather than trade him. I'm three deep at RB with Edge, Parker and McGahee so I'd ride Westbrook into the ground than simply put in the other two when he inevitably gets hurt.

I'd give up either Willis or Parker (looks to be Parker now) he gives up Westbrook and we'd swap some WR to help us both on bye weeks (he gets Roy and I get Matt Jones).

 
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Hmm, I'm actually trying to get Westbrook rather than trade him. I'm three deep at RB with Edge, Parker and McGahee so I'd ride Westbrook into the ground than simply put in the other two when he inevitably gets hurt. I'd give up either Willis or Parker (looks to be Parker now) he gives up Westbrook and we'd swap some WR to help us both on bye weeks (he gets Roy and I get Matt Jones).
dunno about that deal for you...
 
in know this is stupid, but I don't even know what you call the league I am in. Like what is PPR mean, Dynasty...

I am in a league that pretty much has standard scoring and no auctions, no keepers.

 
I agree with Gore and Westy. It is not if they are going to get injured..but when.

 
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in know this is stupid, but I don't even know what you call the league I am in. Like what is PPR mean, Dynasty...I am in a league that pretty much has standard scoring and no auctions, no keepers.
PPR is a point per reception. Westbrook is a big factor in the passing game and so he has increased value in that format.Dynasty league rosters retain the bulk or all of their players each year, so your decisions have to help you win now and keep enough developing talent to be strong in the future.
 
I think it would be a good addition if you put next to the players what you would expect to get in return or a player to target.

 
I think it would be a good addition if you put next to the players what you would expect to get in return or a player to target.
That's a good idea but hard to do as every potential trade is different. Many of my targets are multi-player trades. I'll try to write one of these every week and add in any suggestions that I have.
 
gman8343 said:
Deranged Hermit said:
Hmm, I'm actually trying to get Westbrook rather than trade him. I'm three deep at RB with Edge, Parker and McGahee so I'd ride Westbrook into the ground than simply put in the other two when he inevitably gets hurt. I'd give up either Willis or Parker (looks to be Parker now) he gives up Westbrook and we'd swap some WR to help us both on bye weeks (he gets Roy and I get Matt Jones).
dunno about that deal for you...
:shrug: It's a PPR league and Roy is my 3rd WR. I'll take the upgrade at RB.....
 
Chester Taylor

The Vikings ran Taylor 31 times last week and he was involved in the passing game. The 2.8 ypc was poor and he will obviously not get such a heavy workload every game. He showed some promise, but there are better options available that happened to have a bad game last week.
No Plan To Reduce RB C. Taylor's Carries"The Vikings apparently have no plan to lighten Taylor's load.

"Running backs usually get better the warmer they get, the more feel they get for the game," Childress said. "They can kind of get lathered up a little bit. In a perfect world, that's what you do; you lather a guy up."

Not saying you're wrong, but there is an article that says you are. He may not get 31 carries every week but he is clearly the centerpiece of this offense and will continue to get fed the ball in both the running game and passing game.

Also the Redskins run defense is top tier which may account for a lot of that low YPC.

I wouldn't sell Chester as his schedule gets much better in the second half ending with the Lions, Jets and Packers for most people playoffs in week 14, 15 and 16. :thumbup:
BirkMt.McKinney

S.Hutch

Three reasons not to sell high on CT. And he will be even better running on turf in Minny. He is gonna bust some long TD runs this season.

 
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LOL I have Westy, Parker and Taylor. The only trade I would make is a package of two of those guys for LT, SA or maybe LJ.

Outside of that, I am not selling. Can anyone tell me with certainty that any RB outside the big 3 will out produce these three? All three could end up in the top 10.

 
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I agree with Gore and Westy. It is not if they are going to get injured..but when.
:goodposting: I agree with the thing about injuries. It's not a good idea to try to predict them, but IMO both these guys really have an extra component of risk. I think Gore's risk can be mitigated somewhat with a handcuff, whereas when Westy goes down I see Buckhalter and Moats splitting his touches.As an example of Westy's problems, he's already had the foot thing during training camp and now his knee is swelling and he was pulled out of practice. After 1 game. Scary.As far as Stallworth goes, I really think that projecting him in the top 10-15 range is completely insane. Did you see the guy play in NO? Four years there and no consistnecy, even when Horn was hurt and Stallworth was the only option he couldn't be consistent. The previous regime was done with him and Peyton came in and gave him a full offseason and training camp. Peyton then traded him when Horn was his only experienced receiver. To me that says that he believed Stallworth would never develop the discipline or consistency needed to be a legit number 1, or a strong number 2 receiver. I think that more likely Stallworth's game 1 success is due to the fact that no one game planned for him because there had been no film of him in that offense. Now that Stallworth is considered by many to be the number 1 WR there I think he will return to his inconsistent performances of the past. He's not a great route runner, not a dedicated worker, doesn't have terriffic hands. Other than the deep ball he's not too much of a threat.I could be totally wrong, but I just don't see a guy going through four years of inconsistency then developing into a mini-TO. Furthermore, I don't see two different coaching staffs completely misevaluating a WR that badly.Again, I could be wrong, but right now I've got four years of history and two coaching staffs versus one NFL game before which no one had seen him in the offense to plan a defense for how he would be used.I say he finishes with 1000 yards and 6 TDs. Not terrible, but not TO either.
 
In my opinon: its not very hard to take all of the "break-out" players from week one and say "Hey, im a true shark, it is time to sell high."

What is hard to do is identify the ones that will continue to deliver.

I say, Heath Miller, Frank Gore, Chester taylor Kurt Warner and Willie Parker will continue to deliver fantasy-wise and be very good for those who did well enough to roster them from the start. Even better for someone who traded for them.

Will they lead the leaugue, probably not, but I would have drafted each one of them depending on the pick and i'll stick to my guns.

The rest of these guys are suspicious. :banned:

My shopping list is rather long for this week. It will get shorter as the season progresses. I feel that it is important to go after the studs until they have their first big game of the year. While we all know that Shaun Alexander is a great performer, some will have a few doubts forming after the opening week. If he tears it up and scores twice next week, you can forget about making any offers for several weeks. The same goes for the other studs on my list of players to target. So I will make an effort to target every top player until their performance removes any potential value in the trade.

My list of players to move is much shorter because I projected those players to do well for what I consider to be sound reasons. Unless I see that the situation has changed, I will not revise that reasoning on the strength of one game. The only things that would cause me to downgrade a player are injuries to the player or a key starter, demotion, or a reduced role in some phase of the game.

To finance all of those offers, here are some of the players I am looking to part with. There are very few players that I would never trade, but here are the ones that I am actively shopping because I think they are now overvalued.

Quarterback

Kurt Warner

I watched every snap of the Cardinals' game this week and Warner looked very good through most of it. He scrambled and bought time to make plays, he threw a lot of accurate passes, and he surpassed 300 yards with three TDs. Fitzgerald had a number of drops so Warner's numbers could have been even better. There are two reasons that I would want to move him. Firstly, he was facing the 49ers. The team was terrible at stopping the run or the pass last year and this year doesn't look any different so far. So I don't expect the Cardinals to be so effective against most of their opponents. But the big reason I would want to trade Warner is the fact that he has started just 27 of the last 65 games for his various teams. A few of those games came when he was benched in favor of Eli Manning, but the majority of missed time was due to injury. The Cardinals' line is not great, and I think Warner will get hurt again. If he does, it is possible that Matt Leinart could take the job permanently, even with the poor record of rookie QBs that are forced into action in their initial year. Warner's value could hardly be higher. An owner still won't give up Carson Palmer for Warner after one week, so I would probably look to make a multi-player deal targeting one of the QBs in my buy low thread. I accept that Warner could be top five if he plays a full season, but I would rather let another owner take on the associated risks. For the same reasons, I would consider moving Fitzgerald or Boldin if the Holt/Chad Johnson/Steve Smith owners are getting nervous.

Byron Leftwich

Leftwich faces the Steelers this week, and his value should fall considerably. His receivers are inexperienced and will take time to develop. He has a tendency to miss a game or two. His road record is poor, averaging 13.9 fantasy points since 2003. I would much rather cash in on the great start by Leftwich and target a possible top ten QB like Jake Plummer.

Honorable mention: Donovan McNabb might be worth packaging in a multi-player deal to acquire Peyton Manning. There is no other QB that would make me give up McNabb and it has to be noted that McNabb's perceived value is extremely high this week.

Running Back

Frank Gore

Gore looked very impressive against the Cardinals. He made a couple of big plays and gained ground several times after he should have been stopped. Both TD runs should have been prevented but he was able to move the tacklers into the end zone. He is ranked number one after one week and even the most rabid 49er fan would expect him to finish well below that. There are a lot of RBs that had a poor week, so I would target one of the better options and include Gore in the deal.

Brian Westbrook

Westbrook is a good fantasy option, but he is not a workhorse back like most of the studs. With just two games with 20 or more carries over his career, he relies on his receiving ability for the extra touches. Sometimes it pays off, but other times you are left with minimal points. His injury history is a bit of a worry too. He has never started more than 12 games in a season. His size does not make him a good goal line option and he is likely to lose those carries to Buckhalter or Moats. Don't get me wrong, Westbrook is a quality addition to any FF roster, especially in point per reception leagues, but his value is sky high after last week and the opportunity exists to upgrade.

Chester Taylor

The Vikings ran Taylor 31 times last week and he was involved in the passing game. The 2.8 ypc was poor and he will obviously not get such a heavy workload every game. He showed some promise, but there are better options available that happened to have a bad game last week.

Fred Taylor

It's worth seeing what you can get for him although most owners deeply mistrust his ability to stay healthy. It will probably take a few more good performances before Taylor's value is high enough, and with his low TD totals and injury history, that probably won't happen. But we can try.

Edgerrin James

James posted reasonable fantasy numbers, but it came against the 49ers. During the first half, James was only able to average around two yards per carry. The Cardinals persisted and James had around four yards per carry in the second half and managed to score. The line did not look capable of opening the holes and I would really think about moving James while he still has value.

Willie Parker

Most football fans will have seen Parker in the season opener. He almost broke a couple of big runs and he went over 100 yards. But Cowher knows that Parker can't get 29 carries every game, and he is already talking about ways to limit him. Davenport has been added, and will probably get the short yardage and goal line work that was previously Parker's to claim. His TD totals will probably limit his value again this year.

Wide Receivers

Donte' Stallworth

Stallworth had a huge game and is in the perfect situation. The Eagles love to pass and McNabb has worked with much less talented receivers in the past. Stallworth is no Owens, but on this team he could be very valuable. But 141 yards and a TD on nine targets makes his perceived value false. He won't score a 42 yard TD too often, or face a team like the Texans. With so many top receivers having a down week, I would use Stallworth to try and acquire a better prospect with a proven track record.

Laveranues Coles

Coles is another receiver that I like. He has two top 15 seasons to his name and has been badly limited by poor QB play and a toe injury for the last two years. The talent is still there and I have him on a few rosters after picking him up in the middle rounds. While I was impressed this week, Pennington is still an injury risk. The QBs behind him aren't that great, or at least not yet. Coles is not a big threat to score TDs with just 24 in the last 80 games. Ten targets will not often lead to eight catches for 150+ yards so I would see what upgrades might be available. Tennessee has a poor secondary and the Jets' schedule will get a lot tougher.

Tight End

Heath Miller

I actually lowered expectations for Heath Miller after his opening game. I was very high on him before because I anticipated that he would get a few more goal line looks after the departure of Jerome Bettis. With Randle El leaving, I also thought Miller could be the second option behind Ward in the passing game. I realize that things may change when Roethlisberger returns, but I was very disappointed to see Miller targeted on just three occasions. He happened to catch all three, and broke one for an 87 yard TD that should have been ruled out, but three targets will lead to a lot of poor games from Miller. This is a situation that has to be watched. Will Miller get an increased role in the passing game after his big contribution? Will Roethlisberger look to him more? I don't know those answers yet. But what I do know is that Miller has to be overvalued at this point. Some owners will have lost their game while facing Miller. With Heap and a few others having mediocre games, I think it is time to make a few offers with Miller as part of the bait.

:popcorn:
 
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Wide Receivers

Donte' Stallworth

Stallworth had a huge game and is in the perfect situation. The Eagles love to pass and McNabb has worked with much less talented receivers in the past. Stallworth is no Owens, but on this team he could be very valuable. But 141 yards and a TD on nine targets makes his perceived value false. He won't score a 42 yard TD too often, or face a team like the Texans. With so many top receivers having a down week, I would use Stallworth to try and acquire a better prospect with a proven track record.

:popcorn:
Not sure I can agree here. If you take away Stallworth's TD (which, as you know, we probably shouldn't do in evaluating a player)--but if we did--he still had a 100-yard receiving game. Plus, how does Stallworth *not* fulfill the TO role in this offense? Don't get me wrong, Stallworth is no TO, but I remember several bombs that McNabb lofted to TO. Stallworth can run under those just as easily as TO could. And this offense throws a TON.I am very bullish on Stallworth (even though he was only playing the Texans).

Who would you target to acquire if you were trading Stallworth?
I would probably move Stallworth up to the 15-20 range after this game. He showed that he is the number one option I believe, whereas Brown could arguably have been considered such before the game. As for players to target, I sent out an offer of Stallworth/Bryant for Randy Moss/Greg Jennings (who I will drop). The owner is thinking it over.
I hope, for your sake, that you didn't make this trade.
 
Wide Receivers

Donte' Stallworth

Stallworth had a huge game and is in the perfect situation. The Eagles love to pass and McNabb has worked with much less talented receivers in the past. Stallworth is no Owens, but on this team he could be very valuable. But 141 yards and a TD on nine targets makes his perceived value false. He won't score a 42 yard TD too often, or face a team like the Texans. With so many top receivers having a down week, I would use Stallworth to try and acquire a better prospect with a proven track record.

:popcorn:
Not sure I can agree here. If you take away Stallworth's TD (which, as you know, we probably shouldn't do in evaluating a player)--but if we did--he still had a 100-yard receiving game. Plus, how does Stallworth *not* fulfill the TO role in this offense? Don't get me wrong, Stallworth is no TO, but I remember several bombs that McNabb lofted to TO. Stallworth can run under those just as easily as TO could. And this offense throws a TON.I am very bullish on Stallworth (even though he was only playing the Texans).

Who would you target to acquire if you were trading Stallworth?
I would probably move Stallworth up to the 15-20 range after this game. He showed that he is the number one option I believe, whereas Brown could arguably have been considered such before the game. As for players to target, I sent out an offer of Stallworth/Bryant for Randy Moss/Greg Jennings (who I will drop). The owner is thinking it over.
I hope, for your sake, that you didn't make this trade.
No, not yet. I will see what I think he is worth this week.
 
Wide Receivers

Donte' Stallworth

Stallworth had a huge game and is in the perfect situation. The Eagles love to pass and McNabb has worked with much less talented receivers in the past. Stallworth is no Owens, but on this team he could be very valuable. But 141 yards and a TD on nine targets makes his perceived value false. He won't score a 42 yard TD too often, or face a team like the Texans. With so many top receivers having a down week, I would use Stallworth to try and acquire a better prospect with a proven track record.

:popcorn:
Not sure I can agree here. If you take away Stallworth's TD (which, as you know, we probably shouldn't do in evaluating a player)--but if we did--he still had a 100-yard receiving game. Plus, how does Stallworth *not* fulfill the TO role in this offense? Don't get me wrong, Stallworth is no TO, but I remember several bombs that McNabb lofted to TO. Stallworth can run under those just as easily as TO could. And this offense throws a TON.I am very bullish on Stallworth (even though he was only playing the Texans).

Who would you target to acquire if you were trading Stallworth?
I would probably move Stallworth up to the 15-20 range after this game. He showed that he is the number one option I believe, whereas Brown could arguably have been considered such before the game. As for players to target, I sent out an offer of Stallworth/Bryant for Randy Moss/Greg Jennings (who I will drop). The owner is thinking it over.
I hope, for your sake, that you didn't make this trade.
No, not yet. I will see what I think he is worth this week.
The way things look right now, I'd rather have Stallworth than Moss. And Bryant is looking real good too.
 
I pretty much agree with your list, with the possible exception of Heath Miller. Last year he did absolutely nothing when Batch played for Ben, and the same held true last week. I am iffy on him until I see more.

The rest I pretty much agree with, not because they won't be decent, but in some cases...especially someone like Stallworth...the value will never be higher, and that is when you trade them. That is a hard thing to do because most will worry some about making a mistake giving up on a player too soon. But the old sell high axiom holds true.

 
The way things look right now, I'd rather have Stallworth than Moss. And Bryant is looking real good too.
I am more worried about Moss now that Brooks is hurt. Although I wouldn't want the guy to lead my NFL team, Brooks at least has a good record of finding his number one receiver. Walter will probably take a while to develop. The Ravens and Chargers made the Raiders look very bad. Hopefully they will come out looking better after the bye.But for now, I will shift my attention away from Moss and look at other top receivers that are off to a slow start. I agree that Stallworth and Bryant are looking like useful options right now.
 
I pretty much agree with your list, with the possible exception of Heath Miller. Last year he did absolutely nothing when Batch played for Ben, and the same held true last week. I am iffy on him until I see more.The rest I pretty much agree with, not because they won't be decent, but in some cases...especially someone like Stallworth...the value will never be higher, and that is when you trade them. That is a hard thing to do because most will worry some about making a mistake giving up on a player too soon. But the old sell high axiom holds true.
I think Miller could be decent but I thought his value was artificially high on the strength of three targets. Roethlisberger might make a difference. Miller may even have made the team assess his role after he did so well on three touches.
 
The way things look right now, I'd rather have Stallworth than Moss. And Bryant is looking real good too.
I am more worried about Moss now that Brooks is hurt. Although I wouldn't want the guy to lead my NFL team, Brooks at least has a good record of finding his number one receiver. Walter will probably take a while to develop. The Ravens and Chargers made the Raiders look very bad. Hopefully they will come out looking better after the bye.But for now, I will shift my attention away from Moss and look at other top receivers that are off to a slow start. I agree that Stallworth and Bryant are looking like useful options right now.
The way I see it, there is still a chance that Stallworth or Bryant is a pretender.But the chance that both of them are pretenders is looking awfully small. If I were you, I'd ride it out with both of these guys with the thought that at least one of them will finish top 10, and an outside chance that both do.
 
The way I see it, there is still a chance that Stallworth or Bryant is a pretender.But the chance that both of them are pretenders is looking awfully small. If I were you, I'd ride it out with both of these guys with the thought that at least one of them will finish top 10, and an outside chance that both do.
One of my teams has Holt, Driver, Stallworth, Bryant and Bruce in a start 2-3 receiver league. I will be looking to convert some of that depth into a better RB2 as I currently have Thomas Jones in that role.
 

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