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Senior Bowl Day One Notes (1 Viewer)

Sigmund Bloom

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The weather camp and cold, making it tough to get a good handle on the QBs, who were having trouble taking snaps and throwing spirals. The WRs were also falling down a lot, although this was a good measure of who could run their routes under control.

QB

Tyler Palko, Pitt - nice throw on run X2, mechanic poors, throwing off back foot, throwing while falling back and throwing on off foot while scrambling, weird 3/4 release, puts ball in right spot

Troy Smith, tOSU - two fumbles likely due to weather, showed a lot of confidence in leadership in huddle, on sidelines, good barking cadence, knew where he wanted to put the ball and had several good throws

Drew Stanton, Mich St - started off slow, got going and has a great delivery, perfect mechanics, over the top throwing motion, proper zip, proper touch, good ball placement, very athletic for his size

Chris Leak, Florida - Considerably shorter than Kolb or Palmer, live arm, good zip on short throws, consistently overthrew deep balls, checked down almost exclusively in drill with 4-5 receivers.

Kevin Kolb, Houston - good mobility and mechanics, did not throw many spirals, seemed to struggle

Jordan Palmer, UTEP - looks the part, almost a spitting image of his brother, good mechanics, but very inconsistent results, Ball tended to float

RB

Kolby Smith, Louisville - good pad level, runs behind his pads, using all his forward momentum to gain maximum yardage, good short area quickness, no long speed, willing inside runner, instinctive, good day catching the ball, nice arms extended catch and great catch on fade route

Garrett Wolfe, NIU - really small, even tiny compared to other RBs, smaller than the kicker (Mason Crosby), swallowed by defense, not quick, not fast, dropped passes

Tony Hunt, PSU - runs way too upright, not in a rhythm, didnt have a sense of urgency about him, lethargic, good hands, didnt look ball into hands once, one run, so indecisive behind the line, Gruden says "that was indecisive as hell"

Brian Leonard, Rutgers - exceptional hands, running out every play in practice, good inside running, forward lean, kept feet moving, can run through trash at line of scrimmage, not overly fast or powerful, but willing and determined runner

Kenny Irons, Auburn - seems totally over ankle injuries, great burst and lateral movement, very live legs, very elusive

Ken Darby, Alabama - uncreative straight ahead runner on the few carries I saw

Lorenzo Booker, Florida St - Exceptional quickness and speed, very electric and sudden compared to Darby and Irons

WR

Paul Williams, Fresno St - Blends in athletically as opposed to standing out at Shrine Game, didn't seem serious, joked around on sidelines, maybe not paying attention

David Clowney, Virginia Tech - Drop after drop after drop, very fast, not elusive, but slippery, See also: Todd Pinkston

Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame - Consistent, good concentration, looked ball into hands, good routes, opens his body to QB to create as big a target as he can. not overwhelming athletic, but very consistent

Jason Hill, Washington St - good hands

Brandon Myles, West Virginia - lots of drops

Dallas Baker, Florida - L-O-N-G arms, does better when he has to reach full extension for a ball much like Plaxico Burress, not physical in route running, easily redirected, but responded well to coaching when this was pointed out. Let the passes thrown straight at him get to his body. Hangs in air, great leaper

Dwayne Bowe, LSU - very impressive physique, but quick, fast, and athletic for a solidly built guy, very under control and crisp in his routes and showed good hands. Drew a lot of praise from the coaches

Chris Davis, Florida St - Looks like a slot receiver type, good running crossing routes, showed good hands, some toughness/physicality for a smaller WR

Courtney Taylor, Auburn - body caught, sometimes lazy in routes, didnt seem to have good quickness or hands. Flashed some speed and some toughness on a few plays, but was one of the poorest performing South WRs.

Chansi Stuckey, Clemson - Quick and fast, but was not as impressive as Higgins, who is a similar type of WR. Got pushed around early in routes

Johnnie Lee Higgins, UTEP - Very fast, very quick, very athletic, and strong for a smaller WR. stood out. speed to separate on deep routes

Other

Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska - Nasty, fiery, mean, lots of pop

Rufus Alexander, LB, Oklahoma - stuck to RB in coverage

Aaron Ross, CB, Texas, Michael Griffin, S, Texas - both had ints by reading plays well

Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami - Had scintillating INT by cutting in front of Joe Newton, who looked open when the ball was thrown, didnt respond to coaching well

Martrez Milner, TE, Georgia - terrific adjustment on poorly thrown ball, took hit from Griffin and held on

Kevin Payne, DB, Louisiana-Monroe - terrible day, got yelled at to finish out plays and seemed to be slow and out of it

Fred Bennett, CB, South Carolina - big, strong, physical, aggressive, and showed speed to boot

 
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The weather camp and cold, making it tough to get a good handle on the QBs, who were having trouble taking snaps and throwing spirals. The WRs were also falling down a lot, although this was a good measure of who could run their routes under control.

QB

Tyler Palko, Pitt - nice throw on run X2, mechanic poors, throwing off back foot, throwing while falling back and throwing on off foot while scrambling, weird 3/4 release, puts ball in right spot

Troy Smith, tOSU - two fumbles likely due to weather, showed a lot of confidence in leadership in huddle, on sidelines, good barking cadence, knew where he wanted to put the ball and had several good throws

Drew Stanton, Mich St - started off slow, got going and has a great delivery, perfect mechanics, over the top throwing motion, proper zip, proper touch, good ball placement, very athletic for his size

RB

Kolby Smith, Louisville - good pad level, runs behind his pads, using all his forward momentum to gain maximum yardage, good short area quickness, no long speed, willing inside runner, instinctive, good day catching the ball, nice arms extended catch and great catch on fade route

Garrett Wolfe, NIU - really small, even tiny compared to other RBs, smaller than the kicker (Mason Crosby), swallowed by defense, not quick, not fast, dropped passes

Tony Hunt, PSU - runs way too upright, not in a rhythm, didnt have a sense of urgency about him, lethargic, good hands, didnt look ball into hands once, one run, so indecisive behind the line, Gruden says "that was indecisive as hell"

Brian Leonard, Rutgers - exceptional hands, running out every play in practice, good inside running, forward lean, kept feet moving, can run through trash at line of scrimmage, not overly fast or powerful, but willing and determined runner

WR

Paul Williams, Fresno St - Blends in athletically as opposed to standing out at Shrine Game, didn't seem serious, joked around on sidelines, maybe not paying attention

David Clowney, Virginia Tech - Drop after drop after drop, very fast, not elusive, but slippery, See also: Todd Pinkston

Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame - Consistent, good concentration, looked ball into hands, good routes, opens his body to QB to create as big a target as he can. not overwhelming athletic, but very consistent

Jason Hill, Washington St - good hands

Brandon Myles, West Virginia - lots of drops
:goodposting:
 
The weather camp and cold, making it tough to get a good handle on the QBs, who were having trouble taking snaps and throwing spirals. The WRs were also falling down a lot, although this was a good measure of who could run their routes under control.

QB

Tyler Palko, Pitt - nice throw on run X2, mechanic poors, throwing off back foot, throwing while falling back and throwing on off foot while scrambling, weird 3/4 release, puts ball in right spot

Troy Smith, tOSU - two fumbles likely due to weather, showed a lot of confidence in leadership in huddle, on sidelines, good barking cadence, knew where he wanted to put the ball and had several good throws

Drew Stanton, Mich St - started off slow, got going and has a great delivery, perfect mechanics, over the top throwing motion, proper zip, proper touch, good ball placement, very athletic for his size

RB

Kolby Smith, Louisville - good pad level, runs behind his pads, using all his forward momentum to gain maximum yardage, good short area quickness, no long speed, willing inside runner, instinctive, good day catching the ball, nice arms extended catch and great catch on fade route

Garrett Wolfe, NIU - really small, even tiny compared to other RBs, smaller than the kicker (Mason Crosby), swallowed by defense, not quick, not fast, dropped passes

Tony Hunt, PSU - runs way too upright, not in a rhythm, didnt have a sense of urgency about him, lethargic, good hands, didnt look ball into hands once, one run, so indecisive behind the line, Gruden says "that was indecisive as hell"

Brian Leonard, Rutgers - exceptional hands, running out every play in practice, good inside running, forward lean, kept feet moving, can run through trash at line of scrimmage, not overly fast or powerful, but willing and determined runner

WR

Paul Williams, Fresno St - Blends in athletically as opposed to standing out at Shrine Game, didn't seem serious, joked around on sidelines, maybe not paying attention

David Clowney, Virginia Tech - Drop after drop after drop, very fast, not elusive, but slippery, See also: Todd Pinkston

Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame - Consistent, good concentration, looked ball into hands, good routes, opens his body to QB to create as big a target as he can. not overwhelming athletic, but very consistent

Jason Hill, Washington St - good hands

Brandon Myles, West Virginia - lots of drops
:goodposting:
DBs??
 
Is there a player that can help his stock with a good performance this week more than Drew Stanton?

With Brohm staying in school, could Stanton erase the images of a season gone wrong at MSU and find himself sneaking into the 1st somewhere?

I'm really starting to like this Bowe kid. If he can minimize the drops this week, I'd like to see the Vikings take a chance on him in the 2nd.

Either him or Higgins, that is. Higgins intrigues me.

Booker is going to be an absolute steal for some team.

 
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I'm really starting to like this Bowe kid. If he can minimize the drops this week, I'd like to see the Vikings take a chance on him in the 2nd.
Where would you slot Bowe in comparison to last year's WR class?
I thought last year's WR class was extremely mediocre. I think Bowe is easily as good as either Holmes or Jackson were. I'd probably put Bowe between the two. Bloom, CC, & Colin could give a more accurate evaluation.
 
WOW. See bolded note below on Ryan Kalil. Tyler was an absolute beast this year in the ACC. I didn't think this was possible.

Monday afternoon; South practice

by Kevin Hornung, GBN Chief Scout

The unquestioned star of the first practice for the South team was LSU WR Dwayne Bowe. Bowe, who is a huge target at 6-2, 222, regularly got open and caught everything thrown his way with his hands away from his body. Georgia TE Martez Milner also showed very good hands. Florida State RB Lorenzo Booker also had a solid afternoon catching the ball and showed some excellent explosion and quickness coming out of his breaks and once he had the ball in his hands. However, while the other skill position guys probably did about all that could be expected for the first day of practice, the South’s three QBs also struggled to find a rhythm. Florida’s Chris Leak, fresh off leading the Gators to the national title, for example, struggled to hit the deep out, while neither of Houston’s Kevin Kolb nor Jordan Palmer of UTEP was very accurate. Upfront, Southern California C Ryan Kalil had a near-dominating performance as he pancaked NC State DE Tank Tyler several times. Meanwhile, Central Michigan OT Joe Staley also showed some nice agility. On the other side of the ball, Mississippi LB Patrick Willis and unheralded Oklahoma State DT Ryan McBean stood out. Willis, who looked mean and chiseled at the morning weigh-in played with the same attitude in the afternoon session as he made plays from sideline-to-sideline, while McBean was unblockable up front. On the other hand, Florida State MLB Buster Davis struggled at times to get blockers; it also doesn’t help that Davis is short at just 5-9.

 
WOW. See bolded note below on Ryan Kalil. Tyler was an absolute beast this year in the ACC. I didn't think this was possible.

Monday afternoon; South practice

by Kevin Hornung, GBN Chief Scout

The unquestioned star of the first practice for the South team was LSU WR Dwayne Bowe. Bowe, who is a huge target at 6-2, 222, regularly got open and caught everything thrown his way with his hands away from his body. Georgia TE Martez Milner also showed very good hands. Florida State RB Lorenzo Booker also had a solid afternoon catching the ball and showed some excellent explosion and quickness coming out of his breaks and once he had the ball in his hands. However, while the other skill position guys probably did about all that could be expected for the first day of practice, the South’s three QBs also struggled to find a rhythm. Florida’s Chris Leak, fresh off leading the Gators to the national title, for example, struggled to hit the deep out, while neither of Houston’s Kevin Kolb nor Jordan Palmer of UTEP was very accurate. Upfront, Southern California C Ryan Kalil had a near-dominating performance as he pancaked NC State DE Tank Tyler several times. Meanwhile, Central Michigan OT Joe Staley also showed some nice agility. On the other side of the ball, Mississippi LB Patrick Willis and unheralded Oklahoma State DT Ryan McBean stood out. Willis, who looked mean and chiseled at the morning weigh-in played with the same attitude in the afternoon session as he made plays from sideline-to-sideline, while McBean was unblockable up front. On the other hand, Florida State MLB Buster Davis struggled at times to get blockers; it also doesn’t help that Davis is short at just 5-9.
There's a thread in the IDP forum with me gushing about McBean. He's a little light, but this report sure doesn't surprise me. I've mentioned Kalil's great year several times. I describe it as a near perfect season with one exception. He dominated everyone he faced but Brandon Mebane. I would take Mebane over Okoye in a heartbeat (based on what I have seen). I read a report that Mebane looked very good yesterday too.
 
beto said:
Andy Dufresne said:
I'm really starting to like this Bowe kid. If he can minimize the drops this week, I'd like to see the Vikings take a chance on him in the 2nd.
Where would you slot Bowe in comparison to last year's WR class?
I ranked Holmes 1 and Marshall 2 ahead of Chad Jackson. I'm pretty confident I had that wrong. I never should have backed off on Marshall being tops in the class. I would rank Bowe ahead of Holmes and Jackson, behind Marshall if I could do it again.
 
diesel7982 said:
Martrez Milner, TE, Georgia - terrific adjustment on poorly thrown ball, took hit from Griffin and held on
Thats surprising, he played all season like he was wearing casts on both hands.
Nat all just 1/2 of the time. The other half he looked like a stud and a worthy heir to the quality te legacy that UGA has produced in the recent pastLorenzo booker is gonna be the rb that nfl teams and ff owners regret not drafting
 
North Practice (Tuesday edition) by Scott Wright

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At quarterback Ohio State's Troy Smith is clearly the cream of the crop and he tosses a nice ball and showed the ability make all the throws. Drew Stanton of Michigan St. was up and down and inconsistent while Tyler Palko just doesn't have a very good arm and struggled.

At running back Kolby Smith of Louisville consistently stands out and has been the top running back on the team, showing a burst to kick it outside and promise as a receiver as well. Rutgers fullback Brian Leonard continues to stand out as a receiver as well, looking very smooth and natural in that aspect of the game and making me wonder if he can't be an H-Back in the mold of Chris Cooley or Garrett Mills as well.

In my mind West Virginia's Brandon Myles has been without question the star at wide receiver, making a number of catches again today and beating Marcus McCauley on a deep ball...

Along the defensive line the story for me continues to be Amobi Okoye of Louisville, who continues to make plays in practice but concerns me with his size. He just does not look very big out there with thin legs and in my mind he's a lot closer to a defensive end than he is to a tackle physically... Okoye also said teams have spoken to him about the possibility of bulking up but in my mind there's now very little doubt that he's not a nose tackle and would be best as a 3-technique in the NFL.
Good for Troy Smith. I think he's gone from overrated to underrated and cannot ever climb as high as some were once talking. But I think that makes him a bargain whenever he gets drafted, even if he sneaks into the late first round. Skillset like Steve Young, demeanor like Drew Brees, he could be very good.Kolby Smith is a back I could come around on. He is complete and even pass blocks. A little more speed and this draft might have another interesting back. There... are... very... few.

I got nothing on Brandon Miles. When I watched West Virginia, I... uh... was watching those other two guys. Sorry. Anyone have opinions or observations on this guy?

Oh wow, what a surprise, he beat Marcus McCauley deep. :cry:

Scott finally is coming around on Okoye. All year I had to hear what a stud he was, 315 pound NT run stuffer. Then this lightweight DE would take the field with his number on and get pushed all over the place while a sophomore playing right next to him (Grady) looked stronger. Okoye is overrated. He's interesting because he is 19, not because he played at a high level. He has a decent pass rush for a DT, not for a DE, but he is undersized and underpowered for NFL DT duty.

 
Jeff Pasquino said:
patrickmcgroin said:
I would like to see Leonard do well, what NFL teams have a great need at FB?
The Eagles have already expressed an interest in him.Leonard's projecting as a Day 1 pick, Round 2 or 3.
He really is a perfect fit for the Birds, I just hope we can land him in the 2nd or 3rd round b/c I don't see us reaching up to the 1st for him. Local kid, perfect complementary player to Westbrook. Able blocker who won't complain if he makes one catch and has no rushes in a game if the team wins. He's on my short list of players the Eagles logically will target and a guy I want them to draft.
 
Hey CC. Still think the Cowboys won't be interested in Carriker with their 1st?

Honestly, I'm not trying to take a shot here. Just curious. Sounds like he's tearing it up and would make a great DE in just about any scheme.

 
Bloom, while watching the North practice on NFL Network, I was impressed with Aundrae Allison. I was already aware of him as he was on my college fantasy team. Did you or Cecil take any particular notice of him? I also love Brian Leonard and Kolb. Hope the 3 of them do well.

 
Hey CC. Still think the Cowboys won't be interested in Carriker with their 1st?Honestly, I'm not trying to take a shot here. Just curious. Sounds like he's tearing it up and would make a great DE in just about any scheme.
Not a chance. As Who Dat likes to point out, these kids resumes are complete. The amount of emphasis placed on events like this... and I am equally guilty... is way too high. This is a three month job interview, but the resume isn't changing, especially with someone like Carriker. Remember Tamba Hali was awful during both senior bowl week and his pro day, but went 20th to KC because he played like a first rounder in real games. Carriker played like a second rounder and remains one. Let everyone get goofy because of his size. I already knew he was big and strong. The coaching change in Dallas probably makes DE even less likely, as openings will be where they were previously ruled out.
 
Hey CC. Still think the Cowboys won't be interested in Carriker with their 1st?

Honestly, I'm not trying to take a shot here. Just curious. Sounds like he's tearing it up and would make a great DE in just about any scheme.
Not a chance. As Who Dat likes to point out, these kids resumes are complete. The amount of emphasis placed on events like this... and I am equally guilty... is way too high. This is a three month job interview, but the resume isn't changing, especially with someone like Carriker. Remember Tamba Hali was awful during both senior bowl week and his pro day, but went 20th to KC because he played like a first rounder in real games. Carriker played like a second rounder and remains one. Let everyone get goofy because of his size. I already knew he was big and strong. The coaching change in Dallas probably makes DE even less likely, as openings will be where they were previously ruled out.
Hadn't considered that. Anyone other than Parcells probably goes o-line first for that squad.
 
Hey CC. Still think the Cowboys won't be interested in Carriker with their 1st?Honestly, I'm not trying to take a shot here. Just curious. Sounds like he's tearing it up and would make a great DE in just about any scheme.
Not a chance. As Who Dat likes to point out, these kids resumes are complete. The amount of emphasis placed on events like this... and I am equally guilty... is way too high. This is a three month job interview, but the resume isn't changing, especially with someone like Carriker. Remember Tamba Hali was awful during both senior bowl week and his pro day, but went 20th to KC because he played like a first rounder in real games. Carriker played like a second rounder and remains one. Let everyone get goofy because of his size. I already knew he was big and strong. The coaching change in Dallas probably makes DE even less likely, as openings will be where they were previously ruled out.
If Carriker is a 2nd round pick, more than a few teams will be kicking themselves in two or three years. He's been dominant on the field for two years, only his sack total this year didn't show it.
 
Hey CC. Still think the Cowboys won't be interested in Carriker with their 1st?Honestly, I'm not trying to take a shot here. Just curious. Sounds like he's tearing it up and would make a great DE in just about any scheme.
Not a chance. As Who Dat likes to point out, these kids resumes are complete. The amount of emphasis placed on events like this... and I am equally guilty... is way too high. This is a three month job interview, but the resume isn't changing, especially with someone like Carriker. Remember Tamba Hali was awful during both senior bowl week and his pro day, but went 20th to KC because he played like a first rounder in real games. Carriker played like a second rounder and remains one. Let everyone get goofy because of his size. I already knew he was big and strong. The coaching change in Dallas probably makes DE even less likely, as openings will be where they were previously ruled out.
OK, I didn't watch Nebraska at all this year.... but was the scheme well suited to get Carriker a bunch of sacks? In the one on ones, Carriker looks like a beast, but you say he isn't all that because of how he played at Nebraska. Doesn't really compute for me. Schemes can make or break players, and I'm admittedly not very up on Nebraska's schemes. Mayock says he saw the films on Carriker, and remains very high on the kid. The scouting reports said he was VERY good at the point of attack, immovable, was the word Mayock used when he was quoting college coaches when they were talking about game planning against Nebraska when talking about Carriker. What I didn't expect was the speed he has shown on the outside rush. You seem to be saying that can't (won't) translate to on field performance on the next level. There are TONS of players who looked great in games on the college level and completely busted in the NFL. Conversley, there are many that have not only made the transition, but clearly had better pro careers than college careers. I don't agree that these workouts are "over valued". Mangold was waaaay down on the list before the senior bowl last year, but afterwards, shot up the boards, and he's been incredible so far as a pro. Carriker has shown me he can play in the NFL, and I only pray and hope he's there for the Jets at 25. I'll give up beer for lent if the Jets get Carriker! That is just a notch below selling my first child.
 
Hey CC. Still think the Cowboys won't be interested in Carriker with their 1st?Honestly, I'm not trying to take a shot here. Just curious. Sounds like he's tearing it up and would make a great DE in just about any scheme.
Not a chance. As Who Dat likes to point out, these kids resumes are complete. The amount of emphasis placed on events like this... and I am equally guilty... is way too high. This is a three month job interview, but the resume isn't changing, especially with someone like Carriker. Remember Tamba Hali was awful during both senior bowl week and his pro day, but went 20th to KC because he played like a first rounder in real games. Carriker played like a second rounder and remains one. Let everyone get goofy because of his size. I already knew he was big and strong. The coaching change in Dallas probably makes DE even less likely, as openings will be where they were previously ruled out.
If Carriker is a 2nd round pick, more than a few teams will be kicking themselves in two or three years. He's been dominant on the field for two years, only his sack total this year didn't show it.
:goodposting: This kid can play and he's got the NFL body / toughness / motor to have a great career. He's not a sack master, but he will get good pressure and he is a great run stuffer.
 
To answer the question about Nebraska's scheme; they utilize the DEs in an open/base alignment. Carriker played base end, which means he was always lined up on the strong side of the offensive formation. He also played inside on many passing downs to allow Neb to get Sophmore Barry Turner on the field with Carriker and Moore. So I think it's fair to say that scheme played a part in his sack totals being lower this year.

 
If Carriker is a 2nd round pick, more than a few teams will be kicking themselves in two or three years. He's been dominant on the field for two years, only his sack total this year didn't show it.
I sure respect your opinion on Cornhuskers. A year ago there was a lot of talk about the coming DE battle between Moses and Adams. I argued then that it was a three way battle including Carriker, so the lowered opinion is new for me... from about the USC game forward. That's most the season. He was barely on the screen during the Sooner's 99 yard drive. He wasn't dominant. He was dominated during crucial parts of both games and not because he was double teamed. That's all I have to go on, an admittedly small sample, but considered with a wealth of other reports, I am pretty comfortable not wanting him in Dallas and not expecting him in the first round. If I am wrong, I should get a reward for my one millionth error. In my favor is the possibility that all this depth at DE lowers demand for the position like it did OL last year. In your favor is Carriker's ability to play 3-4 DE and two positions in a 4-3 set. I hope he does well. Sometimes I pull a little extra for the guys I hype, but mostly I just pull for them all.
 
Bloom, while watching the North practice on NFL Network, I was impressed with Aundrae Allison. I was already aware of him as he was on my college fantasy team. Did you or Cecil take any particular notice of him? I also love Brian Leonard and Kolb. Hope the 3 of them do well.
Allison had a great day along with Myles and Bowe.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
beto said:
Andy Dufresne said:
I'm really starting to like this Bowe kid. If he can minimize the drops this week, I'd like to see the Vikings take a chance on him in the 2nd.
Where would you slot Bowe in comparison to last year's WR class?
I thought last year's WR class was extremely mediocre. I think Bowe is easily as good as either Holmes or Jackson were. I'd probably put Bowe between the two. Bloom, CC, & Colin could give a more accurate evaluation.
Dwayne Bowe over Holmes or Jackson and I didn't have to think about it very long.
 
If Carriker is a 2nd round pick, more than a few teams will be kicking themselves in two or three years. He's been dominant on the field for two years, only his sack total this year didn't show it.
I sure respect your opinion on Cornhuskers. A year ago there was a lot of talk about the coming DE battle between Moses and Adams. I argued then that it was a three way battle including Carriker, so the lowered opinion is new for me... from about the USC game forward. That's most the season. He was barely on the screen during the Sooner's 99 yard drive. He wasn't dominant. He was dominated during crucial parts of both games and not because he was double teamed. That's all I have to go on, an admittedly small sample, but considered with a wealth of other reports, I am pretty comfortable not wanting him in Dallas and not expecting him in the first round. If I am wrong, I should get a reward for my one millionth error. In my favor is the possibility that all this depth at DE lowers demand for the position like it did OL last year. In your favor is Carriker's ability to play 3-4 DE and two positions in a 4-3 set. I hope he does well. Sometimes I pull a little extra for the guys I hype, but mostly I just pull for them all.
I follow all of college football closely, but Nebraska football obsessively. I'll be the first to admit that I could be a little biased in favor of Carriker, but I try to keep my NFL projections for Neb players realistic. The plus side is that I've seen probably 75% of their snaps over the last couple of years. This year I only missed the Troy game and the Kansas game (which I listened to over the internet from the Philippines). In terms of being a complete NFL ready DE, I honestly think Carriker is even better than Wistrom. He has more positional flexibility as you pointed out, and can legitimately beat you with both strength and quickness. He was certainly more of a consistent force than Chris Kelsay, who was a 2nd pick in 2003. Regardless of what round he's drafted in, I think he's going to have a stellar career.

 
If Carriker is a 2nd round pick, more than a few teams will be kicking themselves in two or three years. He's been dominant on the field for two years, only his sack total this year didn't show it.
I sure respect your opinion on Cornhuskers. A year ago there was a lot of talk about the coming DE battle between Moses and Adams. I argued then that it was a three way battle including Carriker, so the lowered opinion is new for me... from about the USC game forward. That's most the season. He was barely on the screen during the Sooner's 99 yard drive. He wasn't dominant. He was dominated during crucial parts of both games and not because he was double teamed. That's all I have to go on, an admittedly small sample, but considered with a wealth of other reports, I am pretty comfortable not wanting him in Dallas and not expecting him in the first round. If I am wrong, I should get a reward for my one millionth error. In my favor is the possibility that all this depth at DE lowers demand for the position like it did OL last year. In your favor is Carriker's ability to play 3-4 DE and two positions in a 4-3 set. I hope he does well. Sometimes I pull a little extra for the guys I hype, but mostly I just pull for them all.
I follow all of college football closely, but Nebraska football obsessively. I'll be the first to admit that I could be a little biased in favor of Carriker, but I try to keep my NFL projections for Neb players realistic. The plus side is that I've seen probably 75% of their snaps over the last couple of years. This year I only missed the Troy game and the Kansas game (which I listened to over the internet from the Philippines). In terms of being a complete NFL ready DE, I honestly think Carriker is even better than Wistrom. He has more positional flexibility as you pointed out, and can legitimately beat you with both strength and quickness. He was certainly more of a consistent force than Chris Kelsay, who was a 2nd pick in 2003. Regardless of what round he's drafted in, I think he's going to have a stellar career.
I'm so fickle about this stuff. Hey a diehard Husker fan has to know more than me. Carriker is killing it in Mobile. I am doing a mock. I couldn't keep him out of round 1. Late round 1. :banned:

 
If Carriker is a 2nd round pick, more than a few teams will be kicking themselves in two or three years. He's been dominant on the field for two years, only his sack total this year didn't show it.
I sure respect your opinion on Cornhuskers. A year ago there was a lot of talk about the coming DE battle between Moses and Adams. I argued then that it was a three way battle including Carriker, so the lowered opinion is new for me... from about the USC game forward. That's most the season. He was barely on the screen during the Sooner's 99 yard drive. He wasn't dominant. He was dominated during crucial parts of both games and not because he was double teamed. That's all I have to go on, an admittedly small sample, but considered with a wealth of other reports, I am pretty comfortable not wanting him in Dallas and not expecting him in the first round. If I am wrong, I should get a reward for my one millionth error. In my favor is the possibility that all this depth at DE lowers demand for the position like it did OL last year. In your favor is Carriker's ability to play 3-4 DE and two positions in a 4-3 set. I hope he does well. Sometimes I pull a little extra for the guys I hype, but mostly I just pull for them all.
I follow all of college football closely, but Nebraska football obsessively. I'll be the first to admit that I could be a little biased in favor of Carriker, but I try to keep my NFL projections for Neb players realistic. The plus side is that I've seen probably 75% of their snaps over the last couple of years. This year I only missed the Troy game and the Kansas game (which I listened to over the internet from the Philippines). In terms of being a complete NFL ready DE, I honestly think Carriker is even better than Wistrom. He has more positional flexibility as you pointed out, and can legitimately beat you with both strength and quickness. He was certainly more of a consistent force than Chris Kelsay, who was a 2nd pick in 2003. Regardless of what round he's drafted in, I think he's going to have a stellar career.
Stew Bradley had an EXCELLENT day - listen to the day two north podcast for details. Jay Moore is also doing well for himself down here.
 
Stew Bradley had an EXCELLENT day - listen to the day two north podcast for details. Jay Moore is also doing well for himself down here.
I think both of those guys are potential late first, early second day guys. Both could end up being starters in the right situations. Stew is big LB with good speed and intelligence, he's got 4-3 SLB written all over him and can probably even play outside in a 3-4. Moore is probably a little under-valued right now because Carriker gets so much attention. He's actually pretty similar to Kelsay; high motor, instictive, good size-speed ratio. He won't put up the kind of combine stats that Kelsay did though.
 
Jeff Pasquino said:
patrickmcgroin said:
I would like to see Leonard do well, what NFL teams have a great need at FB?
The Eagles have already expressed an interest in him.Leonard's projecting as a Day 1 pick, Round 2 or 3.
He really is a perfect fit for the Birds, I just hope we can land him in the 2nd or 3rd round b/c I don't see us reaching up to the 1st for him. Local kid, perfect complementary player to Westbrook. Able blocker who won't complain if he makes one catch and has no rushes in a game if the team wins. He's on my short list of players the Eagles logically will target and a guy I want them to draft.
Word is he dropped weight to look more like a tailback.
 
I got nothing on Brandon Miles. When I watched West Virginia, I... uh... was watching those other two guys. Sorry. Anyone have opinions or observations on this guy?
It hard to say how good he is -- he didn't see the ball much at WVU. But he did make a couple good catches during the year (especially against Rutgers) and all the WVU WRs are supposed to be very good downfield blockers.But I can't see where he's going to be an impact player in the NFL.
 
beto said:
I'm really starting to like this Bowe kid. If he can minimize the drops this week, I'd like to see the Vikings take a chance on him in the 2nd.
Where would you slot Bowe in comparison to last year's WR class?
I ranked Holmes 1 and Marshall 2 ahead of Chad Jackson. I'm pretty confident I had that wrong. I never should have backed off on Marshall being tops in the class. I would rank Bowe ahead of Holmes and Jackson, behind Marshall if I could do it again.
So let me get this correct:You like BOWE over CJAX and Holmes for last year but you like Baby TO more than all of them?Just asking, its a pretty bold statement which i wont disagree with you on. All i can say is this is a great WR class....Where would Meachum/Rice rank? Better yet im going to start a new topic on this one.
 

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