Senior Bowl Day Three Notes - North (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

Notes Reflect Observations of Bloom and Cecil Lammey

QB

Tyler Palko, Pitt – fumbled snap, windup on almost every throw, affecting accuracy, wobble on short and long passes, ball seems to hang in air forever, least promising QB here

Drew Stanton, Mich St – Underthrew and fluttered some passes, Gruden took time to coach him, zip on only one pass, uninspired on option play, half-hearted play fakes (didn’t sell), lethargic footwork in drops, inconsistent

Troy Smith, Ohio St – nice pump fake, deep balls dropped in perfect cylinder, good zip on most passes, good trajectory

RB

Tony Hunt, Penn St – pink pants, played against Thomas Clayton in high school, good play on counter pitch – took it to the end zone, still too upright, can’t use his weight because he doesn’t get his mass behind his pads

Thomas Clayton, Kansas St – Great burst to end zone, two fantastic TD runs, coaches overheard saying he belongs, showed up ready to play, stayed up til 1 am studying playbook to catch up, good hustle and determination, great vision, poor hands, but great qucickness in routes, good inside – keeping feet moving, good cutback, can do the “Thurman hop: (riding in hip pocket of blocker and emerging when he sees space)

Kolby Smith, Louisville – lined up at FB, good inside, couple of drops, but still had good hands, good extension on deep catch, not as impressive as earlier in the week

Brian Leonard, Rutgers – lined up at halfback, got to outside well, good lateral quickness, good shoulder dip, needs to switch ball to outside hand, but didn’t have ball security issues, willing to push the pile, always keeps feet going

WR

Paul Williams, Fresno St – trouble securing the ball, body catch, caught a high pass with his pinkies together instead of his thumbs together, inconsistent effort, danced and spiked after TD, seemed to lack focus at times

Jason Hill, Wash St – great move on hitch and go, good leaper, but couldn’t down with catch in corner of end zone, ran a nice horn route, but dropped it, clearly lacks deep speed

Rhema McKnight, Notre Dame – decent work fielding punts, but not outstanding, still very consistent, good out and up route, continues to everything well but not outstanding, adjusts to ball well.

David Clowney, Virginia Tech – very good hands, very good route running, seemed more at ease and continues to improve every day

Brandon Myles, West Virginia – hands getting better every day, showed some good ability to catch and turn to get YAC

Aundrae Allison, East Carolina – most outstanding North WR today, good stop and start ability, great for running after catch, returned punts, showed ability to block out defender when ball was in the air

TE

Ben Patrick, Delaware – great athleticism on diving catch, doesn’t out of place with top talent, great falling catch in end zone

OL/Defense

Stewart Bradley, LB, Nebraska – great play to break up pass to RB

Adam Carriker, DE, Nebraska – just dominating in one on ones

Ryan Harris, OT, Notre Dame – playing LT, getting beat more often than he was making good plays

Tanard Jackson, S/CB, Syracuse – showing zest for contact and good ability to break up passes

Boo McLee, LB,WVU – not a top talent, but playing with a lot of heart

David Patterson, DT, Ohio St – generally looking out of his league

Manuel Ramirez, OG, Texas Tech – tough, feisty, has OT footwork

Aaron Rouse, S, Va Tech – great plays in coverage, does not look slow, one of the most outstanding North DBs

Josh Wilson, Maryland – made some plays that would clearly be pass interference

Marcus McCauley, Fresno St – playing better every day, making good breaks on the ball to deflect a few passes

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

in the media room at the Mobile convention center and are having internet issues. We will get the next thread up ASAP. Thanks!

 

[Rovers]

I am really starting to like Ramirez. I'm starting to think he might be the best OG in this draft. Fast learner too.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Notes Reflect Observations of Bloom and Cecil LammeyTony Hunt, Penn St – pink pants, played against Thomas Clayton in high school, good play on counter pitch – took it to the end zone, still too upright, can’t use his weight because he doesn’t get his mass behind his pads

I don't think this is something that will show up in the game. I have watched Hunt play for a long time and upright has never been a thought of mine.I think he is an instant starter with the right team.

 

[boubucarow]

Notes Reflect Observations of Bloom and Cecil LammeyQBTyler Palko, Pitt – fumbled snap, windup on almost every throw, affecting accuracy, wobble on short and long passes, ball seems to hang in air forever, least promising QB hereDrew Stanton, Mich St – Underthrew and fluttered some passes, Gruden took time to coach him, zip on only one pass, uninspired on option play, half-hearted play fakes (didn’t sell), lethargic footwork in drops, inconsistentTroy Smith, Ohio St – nice pump fake, deep balls dropped in perfect cylinder, good zip on most passes, good trajectory

From what I saw on NFL Network coverage, I agree with all of the above. Troy Smith is the clear winner among this group this week. You would think Palko would be a project QB but being a coaches son, I am leaning towards him never amounting to anything. Stanton seems to have all the tools and none of the heart, a scary proposition for any team drafting him.

 

[boubucarow]

Notes Reflect Observations of Bloom and Cecil LammeyTony Hunt, Penn St – pink pants, played against Thomas Clayton in high school, good play on counter pitch – took it to the end zone, still too upright, can’t use his weight because he doesn’t get his mass behind his pads

I don't think this is something that will show up in the game. I have watched Hunt play for a long time and upright has never been a thought of mine.I think he is an instant starter with the right team.

Having seen a few games of Hunt's, I am having trouble reconciling his strengths in the games (good vision, good hands, finishing off runs) with his widely agreed upon shortcomings (little burst, too upright to use bulk).

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

and we're sadly heading home, we'll be around all weekend to talk about our Senior Bowl experience on the board.

 

[beto]

What did you guys think of Josh Gattis S Wake Forest?

I heard an interview with him today and it was interesting in the amazing amount of scouting going on in Mobile. Gattis said all the guys go to interviews with teams after the practices until late at night. They really grill the kids on Xs and Os. This is probably why you can't tell who teams like just by how they act at practice.

 

[Tenacious D]

Whoa...was Clayton a late addition?

I was extremely high on Clayton coming in to this season. He is a great physical specimen who should blow them away in tests at the Combine, but it has always been something with him. First he blew the knee, then he has the just stupid run-in w/the law, and after working hard the off-season, he still got off on a bad foot w/Prince. All that amounts to not a lot on the resume, so how he impresses this week will be more important than the Combine (unless he were to unexpectedly bomb), b/c teams can finally see him playing some football.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Do you know why Trent Edwards and Steve Smith aren't there? They were both reported to be going by both their universities.

I caught up on the NFL Network coverage today, and Mayock really likes Tony Hunt. Says he's very quick for his size, has nice feet, is good at pass protection and catching the ball. He was pretty critical of the rest of the backs.

Concurrance on Troy Smith, talking late first early second round again, possibly higher. Agreement on the other QBs, but some hopes for Palko based on conversations with Gruden about his pros and cons. Sounded like you gently and hopefully countering Cecil in the first audible. Stanton is getting more criticism than praise.

They covered very little on Allison but said good things. The camera was mostly on Clowney, Myles and Hill, and from what I saw the DBs are in over their heads. Hill may not have been catching everything but he beat McCauley pretty easily. He and Clowney had some nice catches on camera. Myles didn't look like he did anything special but lineup against another bad corner, Wilson.

They talked quite awhile about McCauley's struggles and said it seems to have affected him psychologically. They spent more time dissecting Tanard Jackson. He looks very good to me.

I saw Carriker dominating Ryan Harris, but really, that was on the Harris, nothing special from Carriker. And my initial criticisms of Levi Brown seem to be evident. What a speciman, too easy to beat. The general suckage of the OLs is going to make the DEs look better than they are.

Overall, watching all the NFLN coverage but the south day three stuff, I think Kolb and Smith look terrific. I think several WRs look like they translate, but that is a very dicey position to project. I have no thoughts one way or another on the LBs. But in general this looks as advertised, not a very good crop.

 

[Tenacious D]

I saw Carriker dominating Ryan Harris, but really, that was on the Harris, nothing special from Carriker.

Every time I've fired up some coverage of practice on NFL Network, I see Ryan Harris getting beat.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I am really starting to like Ramirez. I'm starting to think he might be the best OG in this draft. Fast learner too.

Strong like bull. Not much of an athlete though. Still strength like that is very encouraging. I'm very unimpressed with these OLs. They're a bunch of toughs, but not great ballplayers like we saw last year. Kalil and Ugoh not included. I think Datish would be a nice addition to just about any roster. His versatilty, like 2nd rounder Ryan Cook a year ago, is valuable. He is almost identical to Cook. imo.

 

[coolnerd]

Notes Reflect Observations of Bloom and Cecil LammeyTony Hunt, Penn St – pink pants, played against Thomas Clayton in high school, good play on counter pitch – took it to the end zone, still too upright, can’t use his weight because he doesn’t get his mass behind his pads

I don't think this is something that will show up in the game. I have watched Hunt play for a long time and upright has never been a thought of mine.I think he is an instant starter with the right team.

Having seen a few games of Hunt's, I am having trouble reconciling his strengths in the games (good vision, good hands, finishing off runs) with his widely agreed upon shortcomings (little burst, too upright to use bulk).

Hunt seems to be somewhere between Anthony Thomas and Jonathon Wells. If he starts he is the kind of guy that you will want to replace, but won't be a total embarrassment. He does not seem to run the power that his body seems to suggest. Probably best as a back-up, but comes off as a guy who will have a few nice games when the starter gets hurt, but as starter himself will average a 3.7 ish yards a carry.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Do you know why Trent Edwards and Steve Smith aren't there? They were both reported to be going by both their universities.

Edwards broke his foot in mid-November. Originally he accepted the invite, but later due to doctors insistence he declined. That is a microcosm of this kid's college experience. I had pegged him to be the high riser this year. In fact, I think he is already very high and just needs to show off at a pro day once healed up. Seems a mystery why Smith isn't there. I read speculation that the ankle that bothered him off and on was tweaked against Michigan and he decided to stay strong for individual workouts and the combine by skipping this week. Cannot confirm that.

 

[boubucarow]

I saw Carriker dominating Ryan Harris, but really, that was on the Harris, nothing special from Carriker.

Every time I've fired up some coverage of practice on NFL Network, I see Ryan Harris getting beat.

 

[boubucarow]

Notes Reflect Observations of Bloom and Cecil LammeyTony Hunt, Penn St – pink pants, played against Thomas Clayton in high school, good play on counter pitch – took it to the end zone, still too upright, can’t use his weight because he doesn’t get his mass behind his pads

I don't think this is something that will show up in the game. I have watched Hunt play for a long time and upright has never been a thought of mine.I think he is an instant starter with the right team.

Having seen a few games of Hunt's, I am having trouble reconciling his strengths in the games (good vision, good hands, finishing off runs) with his widely agreed upon shortcomings (little burst, too upright to use bulk).

Hunt seems to be somewhere between Anthony Thomas and Jonathon Wells. If he starts he is the kind of guy that you will want to replace, but won't be a total embarrassment. He does not seem to run the power that his body seems to suggest. Probably best as a back-up, but comes off as a guy who will have a few nice games when the starter gets hurt, but as starter himself will average a 3.7 ish yards a carry.

That seems to be the typical opinion. I thought he looked better than that in games and especially versus Tennessee. One thing for sure, though, I ain't no expert.

 

[boubucarow]

They talked quite awhile about McCauley's struggles and said it seems to have affected him psychologically. They spent more time dissecting Tanard Jackson. He looks very good to me.

on both. They mentioned that McCauley is a press coverage guy and he looked pretty lost in off coverage. When he did put himself in good position, he didn't make the play at the end. He has hurt himself in a bad way, I hope for his sake that he performs well at the combine.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I have no thoughts one way or another on the LBs. But in general this looks as advertised, not a very good crop.

Watching Singletary drill them was great. He really was getting on Buster Davis for not staying low in drills and also got on Willis a few times. From the drills, a couple games I viewed, and some footage they have shown on him, he has tremendous straight line explosion but is stiff in the hips when changing direction and can get engulfed by so so blockers. From solely the drills today, Willis seems like a 2 down MLB or a 3-4 inside backer who will have problems in space. But again, I loved seeing Samurai Mike coach. He wanted to coach these kids badly and hated to hear the horn signifying a move to the next drill.

I'd be very happy to see Singletary skip the "coordinator step" of the ladder and take over in Dallas. Not likely I know.The two sentences you quoted were poorly worded and my meaning is a little off. I meant: I'm unsure about the LBs. AND the entire class at all positions, in general, looks weak as advertised. I wasn't singling out LBs. I'm beginning to thing that's where some of the true gems are and previously I have had no reason to feel that way beyond three or four.

 

[coolnerd]

Notes Reflect Observations of Bloom and Cecil LammeyTony Hunt, Penn St – pink pants, played against Thomas Clayton in high school, good play on counter pitch – took it to the end zone, still too upright, can’t use his weight because he doesn’t get his mass behind his pads

I don't think this is something that will show up in the game. I have watched Hunt play for a long time and upright has never been a thought of mine.I think he is an instant starter with the right team.

Having seen a few games of Hunt's, I am having trouble reconciling his strengths in the games (good vision, good hands, finishing off runs) with his widely agreed upon shortcomings (little burst, too upright to use bulk).

Hunt seems to be somewhere between Anthony Thomas and Jonathon Wells. If he starts he is the kind of guy that you will want to replace, but won't be a total embarrassment. He does not seem to run the power that his body seems to suggest. Probably best as a back-up, but comes off as a guy who will have a few nice games when the starter gets hurt, but as starter himself will average a 3.7 ish yards a carry.

That seems to be the typical opinion. I thought he looked better than that in games and especially versus Tennessee. One thing for sure, though, I ain't no expert.

The good news is that Hunt does not have a history of significant injury and appears capable of handling the 275-300 carries that it would take to get 6-8 TDs and 1100 yards. From a fantasy perspective, most years that is in the fantasy RB#2 range of numbers. As long as you don't overpay and consider anything above that as gravy, Hunt should be kept on your radar.Edit: W/O looking I believe A-train put up a couple years around those numbers. BTW, I am not an expert either

 

[boubucarow]

I have no thoughts one way or another on the LBs. But in general this looks as advertised, not a very good crop.

Watching Singletary drill them was great. He really was getting on Buster Davis for not staying low in drills and also got on Willis a few times. From the drills, a couple games I viewed, and some footage they have shown on him, he has tremendous straight line explosion but is stiff in the hips when changing direction and can get engulfed by so so blockers. From solely the drills today, Willis seems like a 2 down MLB or a 3-4 inside backer who will have problems in space. But again, I loved seeing Samurai Mike coach. He wanted to coach these kids badly and hated to hear the horn signifying a move to the next drill.

I'd be very happy to see Singletary skip the "coordinator step" of the ladder and take over in Dallas. Not likely I know.The two sentences you quoted were poorly worded and my meaning is a little off. I meant: I'm unsure about the LBs. AND the entire class at all positions, in general, looks weak as advertised. I wasn't singling out LBs. I'm beginning to thing that's where some of the true gems are and previously I have had no reason to feel that way beyond three or four.

I apologize. I also talked about the South practice in the North thread. My bad all the way around.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I know it's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Buc's targeted Carriker with our 2nd pick. Monte has ties with Nebraska, and a few years ago took LB Barret Ruud a rond early.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I know it's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Buc's targeted Carriker with our 2nd pick. Monte has ties with Nebraska, and a few years ago took LB Barret Ruud a rond early.

I would have expected him to be available there and I think that's a sensible projection, BUT, several players are disappointing a little and Carriker isn't. He has some 'splainin' to do about last season, but he's more than likely gone in the first round, and some are now speculating mid first round.

 

[QUEZILLA]

I know it's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Buc's targeted Carriker with our 2nd pick. Monte has ties with Nebraska, and a few years ago took LB Barret Ruud a rond early.

I would have expected him to be available there and I think that's a sensible projection, BUT, several players are disappointing a little and Carriker isn't. He has some 'splainin' to do about last season, but he's more than likely gone in the first round, and some are now speculating mid first round.

I am hoping either him, or Okoye will fall to the Buc's at our 2A pick.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

What did you guys think of Josh Gattis S Wake Forest?I heard an interview with him today and it was interesting in the amazing amount of scouting going on in Mobile. Gattis said all the guys go to interviews with teams after the practices until late at night. They really grill the kids on Xs and Os. This is probably why you can't tell who teams like just by how they act at practice.

seems stiff and lacks burst compared to the other safeties, but the safeties are outstanding this year

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Whoa...was Clayton a late addition? I was extremely high on Clayton coming in to this season. He is a great physical specimen who should blow them away in tests at the Combine, but it has always been something with him. First he blew the knee, then he has the just stupid run-in w/the law, and after working hard the off-season, he still got off on a bad foot w/Prince. All that amounts to not a lot on the resume, so how he impresses this week will be more important than the Combine (unless he were to unexpectedly bomb), b/c teams can finally see him playing some football.

cec interviewed him for the audible, came off like a good kid to us.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I know it's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Buc's targeted Carriker with our 2nd pick. Monte has ties with Nebraska, and a few years ago took LB Barret Ruud a rond early.

Pewter Report guys (Jim and Scott) said bucs love carriker and gruden even mentioned him by name, but trust me, he won't be there in the early second. He is DESTROYING everyone in mobile, and seems like he can play just anywhere on the line...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I know it's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Buc's targeted Carriker with our 2nd pick. Monte has ties with Nebraska, and a few years ago took LB Barret Ruud a rond early.

I would have expected him to be available there and I think that's a sensible projection, BUT, several players are disappointing a little and Carriker isn't. He has some 'splainin' to do about last season, but he's more than likely gone in the first round, and some are now speculating mid first round.

I am hoping either him, or Okoye will fall to the Buc's at our 2A pick.

Ray McDonald is similar in his versatility, and while he hasn't been outright dominant like Carriker, he's been great in his own right all week.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I know it's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Buc's targeted Carriker with our 2nd pick. Monte has ties with Nebraska, and a few years ago took LB Barret Ruud a rond early.

I would have expected him to be available there and I think that's a sensible projection, BUT, several players are disappointing a little and Carriker isn't. He has some 'splainin' to do about last season, but he's more than likely gone in the first round, and some are now speculating mid first round.

I am hoping either him, or Okoye will fall to the Buc's at our 2A pick.

Ray McDonald is similar in his versatility, and while he hasn't been outright dominant like Carriker, he's been great in his own right all week.

The NFLN crew put together a spectacular highlight reel of McDonald in action. Very impressive. I couldn't but wonder of Florida's DL (Thomas included) this year was <or > NCState's from last year. They won't get drafted as high because Mario and Manny were such freaks, but the next four may all be better than McCargo and Tyler. Who knows how good Thomas is and Harvey will be at this point?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I know it's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Buc's targeted Carriker with our 2nd pick. Monte has ties with Nebraska, and a few years ago took LB Barret Ruud a rond early.

I would have expected him to be available there and I think that's a sensible projection, BUT, several players are disappointing a little and Carriker isn't. He has some 'splainin' to do about last season, but he's more than likely gone in the first round, and some are now speculating mid first round.

I am hoping either him, or Okoye will fall to the Buc's at our 2A pick.

Ray McDonald is similar in his versatility, and while he hasn't been outright dominant like Carriker, he's been great in his own right all week.

The NFLN crew put together a spectacular highlight reel of McDonald in action. Very impressive. I couldn't but wonder of Florida's DL (Thomas included) this year was <or > NCState's from last year. They won't get drafted as high because Mario and Manny were such freaks, but the next four may all be better than McCargo and Tyler. Who knows how good Thomas is and Harvey will be at this point?

and Jarvis Moss. Even Steven Harris looked halfway decent and draftable as a late 2nd day pick at the Shrine Game

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Can you guys please expand on what you saw from Jason Hill this week? What NFL player would you compare him to?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Can you guys please expand on what you saw from Jason Hill this week? What NFL player would you compare him to?

decent leaping and floating in the air, decent quickness, somewhat more polished than some of the other guys here, lacks 2nd gear - although he might have banged up his ankle this week. Im struggling for a good compare, but ive seen him compared optimistically to chad johnson and reggie wayne

 

[lord_helmet]

I know it's early, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Buc's targeted Carriker with our 2nd pick. Monte has ties with Nebraska, and a few years ago took LB Barret Ruud a rond early.

I would have expected him to be available there and I think that's a sensible projection, BUT, several players are disappointing a little and Carriker isn't. He has some 'splainin' to do about last season, but he's more than likely gone in the first round, and some are now speculating mid first round.

I am hoping either him, or Okoye will fall to the Buc's at our 2A pick.

You might wanna hope for something that could actually end up coming true ?

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Can you guys please expand on what you saw from Jason Hill this week? What NFL player would you compare him to?

decent leaping and floating in the air, decent quickness, somewhat more polished than some of the other guys here, lacks 2nd gear - although he might have banged up his ankle this week. Im struggling for a good compare, but ive seen him compared optimistically to chad johnson and reggie wayne

Yeah I know Rang made those comparisons. There is something to be said for being that productive at WSU in spite of generally inconsistent/ poor QB play. I also think the speed thing is overblown this time of year. If he can run in the 4.50-60 range that is more than adequate considering his hands and route running.