"Serious" Dynasty Players (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

This isn't intended as a swipe at dynasty players as I believe the dynasty format is more complicated and requires more knowledge to be successful. That said I recently read this comment:

Most of the herd in that room weren't serious dynasty players. They have the luxury of waiting until the data tells them a player is on the upswing before declaring that the player is good.

First off all I disagree with the statement that DFS and season long players wait for the data. The better players are moving before the data is in to acquire players to improve their team or win a dfs contest. Regardless, I would like to focus on the statement about serious dynasty players not in the herd. I would equate a serious dynasty player to a serious wiffle ball player. Sure, you can put a lot of time and effort into your hobby but it's really not "serious" relative to baseball players putting in that amount of time and effort. IMO "serious" in the fantasy world means you are trying to play your rent with your efforts or at least trying to significantly profit. Joe Bryant is "serious" about FF, the guy who watches more games than Joe and has a podcast listened to by 1000 people isn't "serious" (this is my definition and I don't have a problem if yours is different). I just don't see the platforms/contests available in dynasty to draw in what would be my definition of serious players.

I would like to leave this kind of open ended and not dwell on semantics. What is your definition of "serious"? Do you see a future for dynasty where you could pay your rent by being very good at it? Do you think high stakes dynasty would draw in tougher competition? Do you thinking upping the stakes in any format usually improves the competition.

And for the record, I'm not a serious player in any format.

 

[Gally]

To me it is fairly simple. Do you research, tinker, think about, talk about, pay for subscriptions, etc for FF? If so you are a serious player. It has no bearing on the "seriousness" of a FF player if they are trying to pay rent based on earning a living playing FF. That to me is a "profesional" FF player. @Joe Bryant is a professional that earns a living with FF insight. I don't think you have to earn a living to be considered serious.

 

[Lansdowne]

I equate serious with effort not with stakes. I consider myself a serious dynasty player even if I’m not a very good one. I’m in a 20-year-long dynasty league with people from another community. No money involved, and I’d say most but not everyone puts in a real effort beyond setting lineups. But it’s fun and it’s forced me to think proactively. It’s also the only fantasy league I’m in, as I don’t have the energy to track multiple leagues like I used to. It also allows me to focus on the players I have on my team without being conflicted (i.e. oh damn my QB sucked but I’m facing that QB in another league so I’m half-glad he sucked this week).

 

[Max Power]

I've stayed up until 1AM watching Boise St play Hawaii just to see Ashton Jeanty play because I have a share in a devy league.

Kip: so I guess you can say things are getting pretty serious

 

[BobbyLayne]

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[Spartans Rule]

It's hard to have high-stakes dynasty leagues just because of owner turnover. People will lose interest and leave, and good luck finding replacements who want to sink 3-5 years worth of big fees into cleaning up someone else's mess when they could just join a startup.

But dynasty isn't about the money IMO. It's more about the emotional investment. It feels more like running an actual team. When you roster the same players year after year, they become your guys, especially the ones you believed in before anyone else.

As far as being serious, I guess I'd ask - do you think there's "serious" football fans? Is a guy who's held season tickets for 35 years and never missed a game a serious fan?

For some people the dynasty experience might be closer to the fan experience than it is to the guy doing 100 FF leagues plus DFS and treating it all like a stock portfolio. But I think any of those things can be serious depending on how much time and effort you devote to them.

 

[MTskibum]

Dynasty leagues tend to be easier.

I barely paid attention to fantasy football for a ~6-8 years span before last year. I only watched 2-3 football games a year, etc, yet during that time i managed to win multiple titles in dynasty.

It is all about proper roster construction and picking players up in the offseason when half the league barely checks in. If you do that you can overcome lack of player research. Overcoming lack of player research in redraft and DFS is more difficult based on my redraft standings during that same timeframe.

I like dynasty leagues so much more though, waivers suck and for deep dynasty leagues you don't have to worry too much about in season waivers.

 

[rockaction]

That’s a Waldman quote from the Anthony Richardson article. Here’s the full quote for context, which matters here.

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"One of them seated next to me -- a two-time millionaire prize winner in the high-stakes fantasy world -- declared that Jackson would never be a good quarterback. It was the consensus of the room.

I quietly asked him what he saw from this game that led him to this conclusion.

He gave an articulate answer that lacked an ounce of football substance. I realized this man was great at using data to play a game based on football, but at least in this instance, he had little depth of knowledge and perspective about quarterback development in the game that his game was based on.

This information wasn't necessary for him to know. It wasn't for most of the successful individuals in that room who had declared Jackson's career dead before it was truly getting started.

There was one other individual in that room who knew better. He was angry about what he saw. He vented to me privately. He was a good dynasty player, but he didn't have the perspective to think about what he saw, laugh at the mass panic, and enjoy the buying opportunity for what it was.

He was buying, but he was angry about the slights.

Most of the herd in that room weren't serious dynasty players. They have the luxury of waiting until the data tells them a player is on the upswing before declaring that the player is good.

In that respect, pure re-draft and DFS managers can behave like the economists of fantasy football. They can't tell you who is good or bad until there's enough data to confirm what those on the ground floor have already figured out it's too late to act on the information."

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I don’t think that dynasty offers the stakes and prizes that attract the more math-oriented guys that Waldman is talking about. He’s talking about using data to predict events that have to do with massive prizes and payouts. It’s a whole different game.

Your definition of serious sort of bastardizes the word and betrays a worldview that deems only that which is labor for profit as serious. It’s a really materialist (not in the pejorative sense), reductive, and socially scientific way to look at life.

I sort of take umbrage that you’ve shifted the meaning of a word and placed it out of the realm of people who might (ahem) spend the vast majority of their waking hours in some way connected with dynasty fantasy football.

 

[Mister CIA]

Comparing dynasty and redraft is a lot like arguing over New York style vs deep dish. A lot of similarities, but not the same thing

Dynasty for me is about putting in the hustle on draft prep first, and then just follow conventional wisdom for setting line-ups and working waivers. Occasionally I'll let my wild plans supersede the experts. If it's close, then I flip a coin in my head. Last comes trading, mainly because we have been dealing for 20+ years and we have pretty good ideas about what will fly. This is my easy season right here.

Redraft on the other hand requires constant hustle in season - if you're serious, and especially so as the number of leagues participating in goes up. Well, for some; for me, redraft is one or two redrafts between friends, family, and co-workers.

To be clear, dynasty football suits me to a 'T' because I am too lazy to put in the hard work to be a serious player in redraft.

 

[Boston]

I kind of feel I may be missing the point of this but serious and high-stakes are not the same thing…there can be overlap but just because you have a gambling jones doesn’t automatically mean you are serious about fantasy football…dedicating 12 months a year to the your hobby is a pretty serious commitment.

 

[rockaction]

I kind of feel I may be missing the point of this but serious and high-stakes are not the same thing…there can be overlap but just because you have a gambling jones doesn’t automatically mean you are serious about fantasy football…dedicating 12 months a year to the your hobby is a pretty serious commitment.

Forget it, he’s redefined a perfectly good, working adjective to include only work. He’s stripped it of its adjectival properties and left it ungood.

 

[Mister CIA]

I kind of feel I may be missing the point of this but serious and high-stakes are not the same thing…there can be overlap but just because you have a gambling jones doesn’t automatically mean you are serious about fantasy football…dedicating 12 months a year to the your hobby is a pretty serious commitment.

Forget it, he’s redefined a perfectly good, working adjective to include only work. He’s stripped it of its adjectival properties and left it ungood.

That deserves a "harsh but fair."

 

[Boston]

I kind of feel I may be missing the point of this but serious and high-stakes are not the same thing…there can be overlap but just because you have a gambling jones doesn’t automatically mean you are serious about fantasy football…dedicating 12 months a year to the your hobby is a pretty serious commitment.

Forget it, he’s redefined a perfectly good, working adjective to include only work. He’s stripped it of its adjectival properties and left it ungood.

I feel smarter just reading word adjectival.

 

[rockaction]

I kind of feel I may be missing the point of this but serious and high-stakes are not the same thing…there can be overlap but just because you have a gambling jones doesn’t automatically mean you are serious about fantasy football…dedicating 12 months a year to the your hobby is a pretty serious commitment.

Forget it, he’s redefined a perfectly good, working adjective to include only work. He’s stripped it of its adjectival properties and left it ungood.

That deserves a "harsh but fair."

I was hoping for “literary,” but I’ll take it.

 

[rockaction]

I feel smarter just reading word adjectival.

And the literary compliment I sought was delivered.

 

[Golden Gopher]

It's hard to have high-stakes dynasty leagues just because of owner turnover. People will lose interest and leave, and good luck finding replacements who want to sink 3-5 years worth of big fees into cleaning up someone else's mess when they could just join a startup.

But dynasty isn't about the money IMO. It's more about the emotional investment. It feels more like running an actual team. When you roster the same players year after year, they become your guys, especially the ones you believed in before anyone else.

As far as being serious, I guess I'd ask - do you think there's "serious" football fans? Is a guy who's held season tickets for 35 years and never missed a game a serious fan?

For some people the dynasty experience might be closer to the fan experience than it is to the guy doing 100 FF leagues plus DFS and treating it all like a stock portfolio. But I think any of those things can be serious depending on how much time and effort you devote to them.

That's a great point. Also, a lot of high stakes leagues don't allow trading and/or have rules specifically designed to prevent collusion. Meanwhile, trading is such a big part of dynasty FF. And, gauging trade value in dynasty is a completely different animal than redraft, obviously.
Ultimately, I think most of us dynasty junkies aren't in it for the money, but in terms of time/effort spent, we take it pretty damn seriously. Sometimes it feels like a second full-time job. A very low-paying one at that. Even in years where I've won more than my share of dynasty championships, if you were to do the math to determine a rate of return per hour of time invested, it would be pretty a pretty weak return.

 

[BlackCrowes]

it = info

 

[Mister CIA]

I feel smarter just reading word adjectival.

And the literary compliment I sought was delivered.

Oh, it's been added to my notebook.

 

[Mister CIA]

How often does life presnt one with an opportunity to unleash the word adjectival (without italics)?

 

[rockaction]

How often does life presnt one with an opportunity to unleash the word adjectival (without italics)?

When life presents you with the oppotunity, you smurf the bull by its smurfy horns and you smurfunference that thing to Smurftown.

 

[JohnnyU]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

 

[BassNBrew]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

 

[JohnnyU]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

 

[JohnnyU]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

Prepare for the NFL and their fantasy draft if they are smart.

 

[Boston]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

I don't understand this thinking...do you think Dynasty Owners just put in a line-up week 1 than don't change it the rest of the season? Those same week-to-week decisions are present in Dynasty and as the season progresses you also have to decide whether you are playing for now or later or both.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

This isn't intended as a swipe at dynasty players as I believe the dynasty format is more complicated and requires more knowledge to be successful. That said I recently read this comment:

Most of the herd in that room weren't serious dynasty players. They have the luxury of waiting until the data tells them a player is on the upswing before declaring that the player is good.

First off all I disagree with the statement that DFS and season long players wait for the data. The better players are moving before the data is in to acquire players to improve their team or win a dfs contest. Regardless, I would like to focus on the statement about serious dynasty players not in the herd. I would equate a serious dynasty player to a serious wiffle ball player. Sure, you can put a lot of time and effort into your hobby but it's really not "serious" relative to baseball players putting in that amount of time and effort. IMO "serious" in the fantasy world means you are trying to play your rent with your efforts or at least trying to significantly profit. Joe Bryant is "serious" about FF, the guy who watches more games than Joe and has a podcast listened to by 1000 people isn't "serious" (this is my definition and I don't have a problem if yours is different). I just don't see the platforms/contests available in dynasty to draw in what would be my definition of serious players.

I would like to leave this kind of open ended and not dwell on semantics. What is your definition of "serious"? Do you see a future for dynasty where you could pay your rent by being very good at it? Do you think high stakes dynasty would draw in tougher competition? Do you thinking upping the stakes in any format usually improves the competition.

And for the record, I'm not a serious player in any format.

It definitely comes off as condescending and pretentious.

That said, there are certainly casual and serious players.

I consider myself a casual player who obsesses compulsively over the game more than a serious player who takes himself that seriously.

lol

 

[Jayded]

Could be a number of things to me from stakes to complexity of league to volumes of leagues, etc. But I think overall someone serious is best categorized in effort as others said.

Someone with many dynasty leagues would be serious to me because of how many teams they are managing. I play in two leagues with crazy configurations that most people immediately balk at for overcomplexity for them, but I consider myself and league mates serious for agreeing to participate in that form of league.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

I don't understand this thinking...do you think Dynasty Owners just put in a line-up week 1 than don't change it the rest of the season? Those same week-to-week decisions are present in Dynasty and as the season progresses you also have to decide whether you are playing for now or later or both.

No, and that's not what I asked. During the season I think it's the same between redraft and dynasty. Statement was made that it is year round. I'm questioning what happens during off season.

Editing to add, I already acknowledged that there is a wider breadth of knowledge required during the season, for college and even beyond. Redraft players obviously don't pay attention to that.

 

[Boston]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

I don't understand this thinking...do you think Dynasty Owners just put in a line-up week 1 than don't change it the rest of the season? Those same week-to-week decisions are present in Dynasty and as the season progresses you also have to decide whether you are playing for now or later or both.

No, and that's not what I asked. During the season I think it's the same between redraft and dynasty. Statement was made that it is year round. I'm questioning what happens during off season.

Editing to add, I already acknowledged that there is a wider breadth of knowledge required during the season, for college and even beyond. Redraft players obviously don't pay attention to that.

Ok...I must have read that wrong...my two leagues are very active in the offseason but it does ebb and flow...around free agency it always picks up and the months prior to the draft and the month or so right after the draft is very busy...and busy can mean preparing for the draft (which I thoroughly enjoy) or making moves due to the draft...it tends to get real busy again once training camp opens up and the inevitable who looks good and who looks bad reports start popping up...IMO Dynasty can only work if every Owner is hardcore about it and quite honestly I would never do a Dynasty League unless that is the case...also, because all the Owners are totally onboard there is a social component that occurs 12 months a year where everyone is up for some fantasy/dynasty talk and that can always lead to a trade.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

I don't understand this thinking...do you think Dynasty Owners just put in a line-up week 1 than don't change it the rest of the season? Those same week-to-week decisions are present in Dynasty and as the season progresses you also have to decide whether you are playing for now or later or both.

No, and that's not what I asked. During the season I think it's the same between redraft and dynasty. Statement was made that it is year round. I'm questioning what happens during off season.

Editing to add, I already acknowledged that there is a wider breadth of knowledge required during the season, for college and even beyond. Redraft players obviously don't pay attention to that.

Ok...I must have read that wrong...my two leagues are very active in the offseason but it does ebb and flow...around free agency it always picks up and the months prior to the draft and the month or so right after the draft is very busy...and busy can mean preparing for the draft (which I thoroughly enjoy) or making moves due to the draft...it tends to get real busy again once training camp opens up and the inevitable who looks good and who looks bad reports start popping up...IMO Dynasty can only work if every Owner is hardcore about it and quite honestly I would never do a Dynasty League unless that is the case...also, because all the Owners are totally onboard there is a social component that occurs 12months a year where everyone is up for some fantasy/dynasty talk and that can always lead to a trade.

thanks. it does seem there's more prep and should have guessed that with the added studies of the larger player pool. it's definitely more time commitment.

 

[Boston]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

I don't understand this thinking...do you think Dynasty Owners just put in a line-up week 1 than don't change it the rest of the season? Those same week-to-week decisions are present in Dynasty and as the season progresses you also have to decide whether you are playing for now or later or both.

No, and that's not what I asked. During the season I think it's the same between redraft and dynasty. Statement was made that it is year round. I'm questioning what happens during off season.

Editing to add, I already acknowledged that there is a wider breadth of knowledge required during the season, for college and even beyond. Redraft players obviously don't pay attention to that.

Ok...I must have read that wrong...my two leagues are very active in the offseason but it does ebb and flow...around free agency it always picks up and the months prior to the draft and the month or so right after the draft is very busy...and busy can mean preparing for the draft (which I thoroughly enjoy) or making moves due to the draft...it tends to get real busy again once training camp opens up and the inevitable who looks good and who looks bad reports start popping up...IMO Dynasty can only work if every Owner is hardcore about it and quite honestly I would never do a Dynasty League unless that is the case...also, because all the Owners are totally onboard there is a social component that occurs 12months a year where everyone is up for some fantasy/dynasty talk and that can always lead to a trade.

thanks. it does seem there's more prep and should have guessed that with the added studies of the larger player pool. it's definitely more time commitment.

It is a labor of love...

 

[BassNBrew]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

I don't understand this thinking...do you think Dynasty Owners just put in a line-up week 1 than don't change it the rest of the season? Those same week-to-week decisions are present in Dynasty and as the season progresses you also have to decide whether you are playing for now or later or both.

No, and that's not what I asked. During the season I think it's the same between redraft and dynasty. Statement was made that it is year round. I'm questioning what happens during off season.

Editing to add, I already acknowledged that there is a wider breadth of knowledge required during the season, for college and even beyond. Redraft players obviously don't pay attention to that.

Ok...I must have read that wrong...my two leagues are very active in the offseason but it does ebb and flow...around free agency it always picks up and the months prior to the draft and the month or so right after the draft is very busy...and busy can mean preparing for the draft (which I thoroughly enjoy) or making moves due to the draft...it tends to get real busy again once training camp opens up and the inevitable who looks good and who looks bad reports start popping up...IMO Dynasty can only work if every Owner is hardcore about it and quite honestly I would never do a Dynasty League unless that is the case...also, because all the Owners are totally onboard there is a social component that occurs 12months a year where everyone is up for some fantasy/dynasty talk and that can always lead to a trade.

thanks. it does seem there's more prep and should have guessed that with the added studies of the larger player pool. it's definitely more time commitment.

Realistically speaking aren’t we just talking about a couple of dozen players? In most deeper leagues you are going a dozen deep in the rookie pool. Twice this week I’ve heard a dynasty player say a 3rd round pick is based a throw away pick…meaning trade sweetener

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

I don't understand this thinking...do you think Dynasty Owners just put in a line-up week 1 than don't change it the rest of the season? Those same week-to-week decisions are present in Dynasty and as the season progresses you also have to decide whether you are playing for now or later or both.

No, and that's not what I asked. During the season I think it's the same between redraft and dynasty. Statement was made that it is year round. I'm questioning what happens during off season.

Editing to add, I already acknowledged that there is a wider breadth of knowledge required during the season, for college and even beyond. Redraft players obviously don't pay attention to that.

Ok...I must have read that wrong...my two leagues are very active in the offseason but it does ebb and flow...around free agency it always picks up and the months prior to the draft and the month or so right after the draft is very busy...and busy can mean preparing for the draft (which I thoroughly enjoy) or making moves due to the draft...it tends to get real busy again once training camp opens up and the inevitable who looks good and who looks bad reports start popping up...IMO Dynasty can only work if every Owner is hardcore about it and quite honestly I would never do a Dynasty League unless that is the case...also, because all the Owners are totally onboard there is a social component that occurs 12months a year where everyone is up for some fantasy/dynasty talk and that can always lead to a trade.

thanks. it does seem there's more prep and should have guessed that with the added studies of the larger player pool. it's definitely more time commitment.

Realistically speaking aren’t we just talking about a couple of dozen players? In most deeper leagues you are going a dozen deep in the rookie pool. Twice this week I’ve heard a dynasty player say a 3rd round pick is based a throw away pick…meaning trade sweetener

for active NFL players yes and that was where i was coming from also, but my comment about the expanded pool for studies is pre-NFL players. they (they = dynasty and devy players) would need to be up on all college players at least in addition to the NFL players.

 

[Boston]

Simply put, information other than rankings are most important, along with knowing how to work the waiver wire correctly and the art of the deal. Plus, you have to want to be successful. Dynasty and DEVY leagues usually aren't for the casual player and certainly not for those who put fantasy football low on their priorities. Those are best suited for redraft.

I would argue the opposite. If you're not on top of things in DFS or re-draft you'll have a worse outcome. Also with some of these Dynasty teams I've seen the owner could spot a zero each week and still win.

My post was with the understanding you stay on top of lineup submission. I was referring mostly to the fact that dynasty / DEVY is a year round endeavor and redraft isn’t.

is it though? college schedule practically overlaps with nfl schedule. what exactly do devy players do in March? i get that it's a broader knowledge required and can absolutely appreciate that, but to bnb's point, it feels like redraft players have to pay closer attention to the now since it's a condensed time frame that ends in a few months.

I don't understand this thinking...do you think Dynasty Owners just put in a line-up week 1 than don't change it the rest of the season? Those same week-to-week decisions are present in Dynasty and as the season progresses you also have to decide whether you are playing for now or later or both.

No, and that's not what I asked. During the season I think it's the same between redraft and dynasty. Statement was made that it is year round. I'm questioning what happens during off season.

Editing to add, I already acknowledged that there is a wider breadth of knowledge required during the season, for college and even beyond. Redraft players obviously don't pay attention to that.

Ok...I must have read that wrong...my two leagues are very active in the offseason but it does ebb and flow...around free agency it always picks up and the months prior to the draft and the month or so right after the draft is very busy...and busy can mean preparing for the draft (which I thoroughly enjoy) or making moves due to the draft...it tends to get real busy again once training camp opens up and the inevitable who looks good and who looks bad reports start popping up...IMO Dynasty can only work if every Owner is hardcore about it and quite honestly I would never do a Dynasty League unless that is the case...also, because all the Owners are totally onboard there is a social component that occurs 12months a year where everyone is up for some fantasy/dynasty talk and that can always lead to a trade.

thanks. it does seem there's more prep and should have guessed that with the added studies of the larger player pool. it's definitely more time commitment.

Realistically speaking aren’t we just talking about a couple of dozen players? In most deeper leagues you are going a dozen deep in the rookie pool. Twice this week I’ve heard a dynasty player say a 3rd round pick is based a throw away pick…meaning trade sweetener

for active NFL players yes and that was where i was coming from also, but my comment about the expanded pool for studies is pre-NFL players. they (they = dynasty and devy players) would need to be up on all college players at least in addition to the NFL players.

100%...third round picks in Dynasty are a lot like 5th-7th and in many cases 4th round picks in the NFL...there are a lot of misses but the hits can be complete game-changers to a roster...ID'ing a player like Puka, Pacheco or Aaron Jones is just a huge addition to a roster and if you put in the time to learn who these guys are it is also pretty satisfying...and yes, they can definitely be trade sweetners that can either help you push a trade to completion if trading one or give you another dart throw to get that next potential Kyren Williams or George Kittle if you are obtaining one...I can say with confidence that I am constantly trading away and trading for third round picks all the time...they are an asset just like that 6th round pick that seems to now be involved in so many NFL trades.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'm just catching up on this one and I may be missing the question but I tend to be pretty literal on "serious" players. I call any person playing fantasy football that takes it serious a serious player.

I know some people use "not serious" as an insult but that often feels condescending to me. I don't think that's what anyone here is doing.

But I call anyone who cares deeply about something and puts the time into something to enjoy it and get better at it "serious" at the thing they're doing.

 

[Biabreakable]

As far as the value of a 3rd round rookie pick in a dynasty league its value varies based on the number of roster spots and what the replacement value is.

In general the more roster spots the higher the value the pick will have relative to what is available in free agency.