Hopefully they come up with that nasal version of the vaccine. If the normal vaccine is only gonna last a short while we will need to add the nasal version a few times a year.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That’s not a report showing people getting it more than once?
i was asking for a link from a poster that spoke of reports showing people getting it more than once. Still waiting for that.
Why are you being so condescending with the "rigorous standards" crap? I’m legitimately curious if people have got it more than once. That Faucci quote is basically saying “we don’t know if herd immunity works”. I already knew that we don’t know for sure yet, but I’m not aware of any reports of people getting the virus twice.
There's enough misinformation and hyperbole in this thread already on both sides. I was wondering if @RushHour really had seen reports showing "people getting the virus more than once" or if he was adding to it. I personally have not heard of anyone getting it more than once. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened or that it's definitive that antibodies are effective but generally speaking that is how these viruses have played out.
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DallasDMac
Footballguy
And if anyone was wondering why we have explosive growth in a double digit number of states ...
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Double post...
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Europe is considering closing their borders to US travel as cases spike all over our country and the death toll climbs above 120,000 but yeah, we're doing an amazing job. Probably the most amazing job in the history of amazing- its just that we're so much better testing than everyone. Way more testing. The most testing anyone has ever seen really.
For the first time I'm starting to think there won't be football in September and maybe not until we have a vaccine.
For the first time I'm starting to think there won't be football in September and maybe not until we have a vaccine.
“Latest update: Sources confirm that around a half-dozen WDs from Travelers are expected, all COVID-19 related in some manner.“
https://twitter.com/brianwacker1/status/1275854478231638016?s=21
https://twitter.com/brianwacker1/status/1275854478231638016?s=21
We are starting to see the positive cases of Covid as athletes start to get tested. Up until now there were just a handful of sport figures to reportedly get this. Now it's becoming real and I wouldn't doubt if this started to spook players about the upcoming seasons. I have no clue regarding what will be considered "This is too serious to play" for the different leagues. I would think that some positives were expected. I just don't know what the response is gonna be.
I'm moving back down to 25% chance there is a season.
25 seems low. I put it at 75. It was always 'real', people just weren't taking this virus serious enough. Or people were thinking "I'll never get it". People are going to get it, it's going to spread. Most of the players who will be infected with covid will likely see little to no symptoms.
So if you think lots of players are 'popping up' getting it now, wait until they do a mandatory test on every player. If every player was tested today, I bet 5-10% of the entire league would test positive, and almost all of them would not have gotten tested otherwise as they are symptom free or just have a bit of a cough.
As soon as we get closer to the season and they start to see mandatory tests for all players, we're going to see so so so many players test positive and half the people in this thread freaking out, as the player quarantines and gets better and is good to go for the season.
My concern right now is the psyche of the players and coaches in response to what is happening. I'll feel more confident once I know the contingency plans as well as overall enthusiasm of all involved. If players are getting it now and recovering then I think it will be game on. If a player or coach gets extremely ill or dies I think there will be an overreaction. I still have the residue of how quickly sports shut down in my mind. I realize at that time there was more potential danger attached to the virus and the dire predictions that went along with it.
I think 25% may be a little low. I'll bump it to 32%. It's hard to think we will have a year without football. This would tank the economy. Once I have a better feel for the mindset of all involved I will adjust my confidence percentage accordingly.
It's going to change quite often before the season starts....If there is a season.It's definitely more than 1-in-4, but 1-in-3 is a bridge too far?
Sounds like he had an absolutely horrendous, terrifying 48 hours of symptoms for Zeke. He's extremely lucky to not be dead. My heartfelt condolences are with Zeke and his family for having to have gone through this.
Ezekiel Elliott said he’s “feeling normal” after testing positive for COVID-19 on June 15.
“I would say I had maybe one or two days when I felt symptoms,” Elliott told media in a Zoom conference Wednesday. “Even then, it wasn’t too bad. I had a cough and a little bit of shortness of breath. Now, I feel good. I feel normal.” Elliott was initially diagnosed as asymptomatic and remains clear of any symptoms at this time.
Ezekiel Elliott said he’s “feeling normal” after testing positive for COVID-19 on June 15.
“I would say I had maybe one or two days when I felt symptoms,” Elliott told media in a Zoom conference Wednesday. “Even then, it wasn’t too bad. I had a cough and a little bit of shortness of breath. Now, I feel good. I feel normal.” Elliott was initially diagnosed as asymptomatic and remains clear of any symptoms at this time.
I-ROK
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If you’re on the twitters, here’s a case study by a dude a lot smarter than me.(low bar, I realize)
one key takeaway: 1% is a terrifyingly huge number. Too many pretend it’s not. ~330M people in the US. If 3.3M died, it would be devastating.
https://twitter.com/vincentrk/status/1275838416236580867?s=21
one key takeaway: 1% is a terrifyingly huge number. Too many pretend it’s not. ~330M people in the US. If 3.3M died, it would be devastating.
https://twitter.com/vincentrk/status/1275838416236580867?s=21
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
5000 in TX. 6000 in CA. In one day.
we haven’t hit exponential growth yet. It’s got potential to get ugly fast
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s fascinating, the level of denial some people are in.
From the tweet thread I posted above by Vincent Rajkumar:
217 on cruise
All asymptomatic before cruise, & for first 7 days
128 developed COVID (59%) despite precautions after 1 case
81% asymptomatic
19% symptomatic
3.1% Intubated
1 death (0.8%)
It seems like some want to point to the 127 people who lived, or the 124 folks who didn’t need to be intubated & proclaim that every player will be A-OK.
Back to the skittles analogy:
you’ve got a bowl of 100 skittles. 1 can kill you & 3 others will make you extremely sick. Are you going to eat any skittles?
you’ve got a bowl of 100 skittles. 3 can kill your mother/grandmother & 10 others will make them extremely sick. Are you going to pass the bowl of skittles over to them?
For me it’s no & no.
Time will tell what players are effected & to what degree, but it’s insulting to everyone’s intelligence to make any sort of generalization based on a handful of players & what their prognosis has been. It’s statistically meaningless at this point.
From the tweet thread I posted above by Vincent Rajkumar:
217 on cruise
All asymptomatic before cruise, & for first 7 days
128 developed COVID (59%) despite precautions after 1 case
81% asymptomatic
19% symptomatic
3.1% Intubated
1 death (0.8%)
It seems like some want to point to the 127 people who lived, or the 124 folks who didn’t need to be intubated & proclaim that every player will be A-OK.
Back to the skittles analogy:
you’ve got a bowl of 100 skittles. 1 can kill you & 3 others will make you extremely sick. Are you going to eat any skittles?
you’ve got a bowl of 100 skittles. 3 can kill your mother/grandmother & 10 others will make them extremely sick. Are you going to pass the bowl of skittles over to them?
For me it’s no & no.
Time will tell what players are effected & to what degree, but it’s insulting to everyone’s intelligence to make any sort of generalization based on a handful of players & what their prognosis has been. It’s statistically meaningless at this point.
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Stats from a cruise. Of old people. Not at ALL comparable to NFL athletes in their 30's with top medical care. Yet still comparing the data from these two groups. From the guy who says it's bad to ignore science. Ok.It’s fascinating, the level of denial some people are in.
From the tweet thread I posted above by Vincent Rajkumar:
217 on cruise
All asymptomatic before cruise, & for first 7 days
128 developed COVID (59%) despite precautions after 1 case
81% asymptomatic
19% symptomatic
3.1% Intubated
1 death (0.8%)
It seems like some want to point to the 127 people who lived, or the 124 folks who didn’t need to be intubated & proclaim that every player will be A-OK.
Back to the skittles analogy:
you’ve got a bowl of 100 skittles. 1 can kill you & 3 others will make you extremely sick. Are you going to eat any skittles?
you’ve got a bowl of 100 skittles. 3 can kill your mother/grandmother & 10 others will make them extremely sick. Are you going to pass the bowl of skittles over to them?
For me it’s no & no.
Time will tell what players are effected & to what degree, but it’s insulting to everyone’s intelligence to make any sort of generalization based on a handful of players & what their prognosis has been. It’s statistically meaningless at this point.
Yet it's not insulting to everyone's intelligence to make generalizations based on a handful of senior citizens on a cruise? Ok.
Yes, this is a tremendously scary virus.... for Non-NFL players. And now using the 1% death rate (it's actually 0.03% of those who test positive in their 30's... and probably 10x lower since most people with the virus don't get tested... and even lower for NFL players with good immune systems (which is the reason you started this thread). But ok, use the 1% number since it's totally irrelevant to the forum topic, and completely against science.
Everyone who has been on these forums will understand the joke.
5 posts in a row isn't necessary. You don't need one sentence per post, you could have gotten all 5 of those sentences is one post.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Herd immunity = 3M dead.
if everyone wore a mask for 3 weeks we’d reportedly have 80% reduction in cases & could implement a manageable/viable test & trace program.
I wear a mask 7+ hours a day sat & sun. It’s not that fun, but it’s not that bad.
I agree! Plus it sounds like these people got a healthy viral load of the Covid being on the ship that long and mingling before they knew there was a problem.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lol - it’s 7 hours of mask wearing. It’s a 12 hour work day including travel time, set up & break down.
i don’t exhaust that easily. I do a lot of stretching. lol
Ya.. I mean people are gonna get it. Players too. You really gotta be careful with this to not let it spread to the weak. But to use the data on the ship to compare it to NFL players.... that's as anti-science as it gets.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I never said the ages of the people on the ship. The person you quoted hilariously doesn’t let that interfere with his preferred narrative though.
someone on twitter asked what the average age was. Here’s the response.
“The Antarctica cruise is not like your regular cruise. The type of people who go on this are very healthy. There are many families with teenage and older kids. Many young people.”
oops?
Link to the full paper at the bottom if you’d like to get legitimate information:
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other highlights:
Fascinating: There were 10 rooms shared by 2 people in which 1 developed COVID, & 1 didn’t despite sleeping & staying in same room for >30 days!
- Is everyone susceptible?
- Will negatives be positive later?
- Will negatives get antibodies or not?
In this study, everyone in the ship was tested & no external contact.
Many other insights.
-Screening for fever and symptoms not enough.
- First symptoms on Day 8 means long presymptomatic phase
-60% got infected despite good precautions; it’s a highly contagious virus.
What’s really important is even if only 3% of people who get COVID get very ill and need intubation, that is still a huge number for the health care system of any country to handle.
1% mortality rate is more than any of us can bear. It’s a huge loss of life.
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https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/06/09/thoraxjnl-2020-215091
AGAIN (falling on deaf ears here), 3% of ALL cases.... not NFL players. and 1% Mortality rate of ALL cases..... not the age group that THIS THREAD IS DISCUSSING. Discussing how serious of a disease this is and death rates probably belongs in the Covid thread in the Freeforall or Politics forums.
This is about NFL players getting it and how it affects them, and none of the data you're using has anything to do with that. A one tracked mind going down the wrong track.... yikes.
I'm sure there are plenty of older people on the Antarctica cruise. It's not cheap.I never said the ages of the people on the ship. The person you quoted hilariously doesn’t let that interfere with his preferred narrative though.
someone on twitter asked what the average age was. Here’s the response.
“The Antarctica cruise is not like your regular cruise. The type of people who go on this are very healthy. There are many families with teenage and older kids. Many young people.”
oops?
Link to the full paper at the bottom if you’d like to get legitimate information:
————————————
other highlights:
Fascinating: There were 10 rooms shared by 2 people in which 1 developed COVID, & 1 didn’t despite sleeping & staying in same room for >30 days!
- Is everyone susceptible?
- Will negatives be positive later?
- Will negatives get antibodies or not?
In this study, everyone in the ship was tested & no external contact.
Many other insights.
-Screening for fever and symptoms not enough.
- First symptoms on Day 8 means long presymptomatic phase
-60% got infected despite good precautions; it’s a highly contagious virus.
What’s really important is even if only 3% of people who get COVID get very ill and need intubation, that is still a huge number for the health care system of any country to handle.
1% mortality rate is more than any of us can bear. It’s a huge loss of life.
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https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/06/09/thoraxjnl-2020-215091
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not at all. I think people aren't taking it seriously enough. But yes, in terms of the actual affects on NFL athletes, their death rate would be about 1 in 1 Million, and even having severe symptoms is rare. Most will be like Zeke and have a cough for a couple days and then be totally fine. But others won't have that luxury, especially older people, so if they do get it, they need to be quarantined and cut off from spreading it to others. This thread, however, is simply about the effects on Covid on certain healthy NFL players... which will be practically nothing.
Yes, the 1 in 600 000 shot that an athletic 25 year old NFL player dies from this is possible, and can be discussed then. But that is very unlikely to happen, and the odds of them dying another way are much higher. This is as close to a non issue as it gets for NFL players.... there's never a thread when they get the flu.
Zeke was a prime example of how unaffected almost all of these players are PERSONALLY going to be by a diagnosis. You know... the reason this thread was created... to talk about Zeke and those other players. But when the Zeke angle didn't work out and fit that narrative, it's now turned into debates about random families on a damn cruise and the stats on them. There's covid threads for that.
This is a huge issue. And things are definitely going to get worse. But in terms of whats being discussed in this particular thread, it's about nfl players getting diagnose with it. 99.99% of them won't even have more then a few days of a cough. It will only make them more immune to it during the season. I'm as far as you can get from saying covid is no big deal.... while still respecting the actual numbers and science behind it, and the risk it poses to Zeke and his teammates.
Agreed. Please let this go. There are pages and pages of threads and discussion about this topic on the Free For All and Political Boards.
For the Shark Pool forum, let's please keep this, like we try to keep every topic here, 100% on NFL. Thanks.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's actually far less than 1%. One small anecdotal incident (a cruise ship) is probably not the best way to process the data we actually have. Also 40% of all deaths in this country have occurred in nursing homes. We need to re-focus our approach to this virus and protect the most vulnerable.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So the reason the cruise ship was an interesting sample is specifically because of the mix of ages (mostly young to middle aged) diversity of the people ethnically & the duration, plus the fact that it was a closed environment.
these are important factors to consider, and shed light on what we might see at an NFL training camp facility.
But no one clicked the link. No one read the study.
the narrative continues that because we are talking about NFL athletes that somehow math doesn’t apply. As if the virus is going to go door to door interviewing these guys like “knock knock...oh, you play football? You’re 27 & in great health? Well ok then. Never mind, here, have an asymptomatic case.”
Pandemics don’t work that way for football players or anyone else I’m afraid.
We’ll know more when more players have it. Like society at large, some will end up in ICU. Most will be unaffected or effected only mildly.
The flaw in looking at a pandemic by only looking at those who were only moderately effected is that it tends to minimize the risk in people’s minds. “It’s not that bad, because X population isn’t at risk” or “y population is only at .5% risk.”
For one, it’s flawed because even .5% is 1 in every 200 players dying. .25% = 1 in every 400. It’s still an unacceptably high number to risk.
The other flaw is looking at categories of humans divided by age and assuming those % will hold, because that’s what we saw early on. The early numbers were skewed by where outbreaks occurred. When elderly care facilities were impacted we lost a vast number of seniors in one crushing blow. Since that happened numbers have normalized. We now know young people & healthy people are getting COVID & dying from it, but not at the extreme % of an elderly care facility. But also not nothing. Young people aren’t immune.
Anyone who’s taken statistics should understand the coin flip. If you flip a coin 100x and it comes up heads 100x, what are the odds of it coming up tails on the 101st flip?
A: exactly the same as the odds on the 1st flip or 29th flip or the 73rd flip.
COVID is like that. Every person who contracts this virus has a virtual/theoretical coin flipping.
Will they be asymptomatic? Will they contract mild symptoms? Will they require oxygen? Will they require hospitalization? Will they need a ventilator?
Case by case, we will see how it breaks down for NFL players. The reality is that we don’t have the data yet. What we do know is that age is only one factor of why COVID effects some people more than others. Race, health risks, prior medical issues or predispositions make it impossible to make a generalization about what will happen when a large swath of NFL players contract this virus. And even with age as a factor, player ages are a range as well.
And math says that if “herd immunity” is to be tested, a % of NFL players will succumb to this disease. We don’t know what those % are.
but we do know that people mocking the subject & making light of say, 1 player who popped positive & is asymptomatic, is partly why society at large isn’t taking this pandemic seriously enough.
Also the fallacy of large numbers. People have a hard time conceiving of things that happen at a massive scale, yet not universally. So while 330,000,000 Americans will agree that the sun rose today, 330,000,000 Americans can’t agree that 2 million cases is a lot. Because compared to the ginormous 1st number even 2 million sounds small.
what we as a society need to do is to pretend that number is flipped. To go about our daily lives as though we all have COVID19, and take precautions against spreading it. That way we can get it under control & I can stop feeling like Sheriff Brody in Jaws arguing that the beaches should stay closed for July 4th.
as a society we need more Mrs. Kintners & fewer Mayor Larry Vaughns.
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Owners are apparently going to see today some concepts related to safety measures. One is putting a tarp over lower 6-8 rows for safety and selling ads on the tarps to local businesses to offset lost ticket revenue.
Looking for more info, I found this, which is sort of interesting to me. SeatGeek is selling products now that includes figuring out social distance seating at different occupancy levels.
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2020/06/22/Facilities/SeatGeek.aspx?hl=nfl&sc=0
Looking for more info, I found this, which is sort of interesting to me. SeatGeek is selling products now that includes figuring out social distance seating at different occupancy levels.
https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2020/06/22/Facilities/SeatGeek.aspx?hl=nfl&sc=0
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Why am I not shocked that NFL owners concern is capitalizing their response? I wonder how much time will he spent on that over safety. Maybe I’m just cynical.
It’s interesting, but I’m more concerned with common areas & pinch points than butts in seats.
also concerned about the stadium workers. Most concession areas I’ve seen are tight spaces.
Those people will be more at risk than the family of 4 in the stands. Will be interesting to see how this impacts them, and what, if any, additional measures will be adopted to keep stadium & concession workers safe.
For example, at my farmers markets, workers aren’t allowed to both handle money & produce. I’m lucky since my product is in glass & has waterproof labeling, but the dude selling broccoli & spinach now has to have a dedicated cashier & a dedicated produce handler.
i’m curious as to how the NFL handles this. If I were working on the project I might suggest something like “in-seat ordering” where fans could use an app. that would eliminate concessions lines, and reduce the contact between concessions workers & the public, while also eliminating cash from the equation.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
They just cancelled the Hall of Fame game and delayed enshrinement (didn't catch til when)
eta- enshrinement will be 2021..assume combined with next year's class.
eta- enshrinement will be 2021..assume combined with next year's class.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I do 10-12 festivals a year.
I just got word that both an October & a December festival have been cancelled.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Common areas are definitely an issue, but don't underestimate seating. Some stadiums aren't fully outdoor (roofs) and you're talking about sitting next to the same group of people for about four hours, many who will be shouting and cheering.
Based on your article, everybody who got significantly ill was over the age of 65. 81% were asymptomatic of the passengers who tested positive .. This happened back in March. We have learned a ton since then. There was cross contamination in some cases supporting my high viral load theory. This was a relatively small ship.I never said the ages of the people on the ship. The person you quoted hilariously doesn’t let that interfere with his preferred narrative though.
someone on twitter asked what the average age was. Here’s the response.
“The Antarctica cruise is not like your regular cruise. The type of people who go on this are very healthy. There are many families with teenage and older kids. Many young people.”
oops?
Link to the full paper at the bottom if you’d like to get legitimate information:
————————————
other highlights:
Fascinating: There were 10 rooms shared by 2 people in which 1 developed COVID, & 1 didn’t despite sleeping & staying in same room for >30 days!
- Is everyone susceptible?
- Will negatives be positive later?
- Will negatives get antibodies or not?
In this study, everyone in the ship was tested & no external contact.
Many other insights.
-Screening for fever and symptoms not enough.
- First symptoms on Day 8 means long presymptomatic phase
-60% got infected despite good precautions; it’s a highly contagious virus.
What’s really important is even if only 3% of people who get COVID get very ill and need intubation, that is still a huge number for the health care system of any country to handle.
1% mortality rate is more than any of us can bear. It’s a huge loss of life.
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https://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2020/06/09/thoraxjnl-2020-215091
The average age of an NFL player is around 26. The NFL will be going into the season with a plan unlike the ship to Antarctica. I'm thinking the air circulation on the ship didn't help things. The players will not be living on top of each other.
Are you basing the age of passengers just on a Tweet?
I would hope the players will get more serious about Covid as we get closer to the season. It's no surprise that many of those infected already did so in the nations hotspots.
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Yeah I only saw ages mentioned for 4 of the 8 that had to be medically evacuated. 68 (2x) 65, and 70.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
no, I read the study. But there was additional discussion of age in the twitter thread.
again - it’s not the end-all be-all of knowledge. Just one more window into understanding.
are you saying no players are at risk because they have an average age of “around 26”?
you should check out what’s happening to the 18-29 demographic in Florida right now.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
We need to stop obsessing over mortality and start obsessing over contagiousness.
While keeping it on football. I promise I'll circle this to the NFL.
This thing doesn't seem to manifest itself in such a way that one or two people get it and test positive. If there is one there will be ten. There is nearly a two week incubation period on this so anything that you find out now is going to represent a delayed signal in the data.
That is maybe the single most difficult aspect of this virus in terms of managers and leaders to plan around.
If a couple players, coaches or staff on a team test positive, you can rest assured a dozen or so others will, too. I'd like to believe the NFL can play their season with micromanaging positive cases and isolating them. But the reality is that it will have already been too late if it gets to that point.
You can't have a team keep playing if they have a mini outbreak in their club. And if that happens to one team, is the rest of the league *really* going to keep playing?
I just don't see it.
While keeping it on football. I promise I'll circle this to the NFL.
This thing doesn't seem to manifest itself in such a way that one or two people get it and test positive. If there is one there will be ten. There is nearly a two week incubation period on this so anything that you find out now is going to represent a delayed signal in the data.
That is maybe the single most difficult aspect of this virus in terms of managers and leaders to plan around.
If a couple players, coaches or staff on a team test positive, you can rest assured a dozen or so others will, too. I'd like to believe the NFL can play their season with micromanaging positive cases and isolating them. But the reality is that it will have already been too late if it gets to that point.
You can't have a team keep playing if they have a mini outbreak in their club. And if that happens to one team, is the rest of the league *really* going to keep playing?
I just don't see it.
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I'm saying most of the players in the NFL are not in the high risk group regarding getting significantly ill.
I think the Cruise ship example is not even close to comparable to the NFL.
I am aware that 18-29 year olds are exposing themselves at a high rate. I'm also aware that this age group doesn't suffer the effects of Covid like the older folks do unless they have health issues.
There could be up to a two week incubation. The average time of getting the infection is five days.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
That is correct. I should have been more clear it is a range. But 5 days is an eternity with how contagious this is.
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