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I did the same, and for this week anyway, I opted to keep Hillman & did not place a blind bid on Moreno (our free agent period ends the night before first game of the week). Moreno still sits in our free agent pool. No one seems to want to have anything to do w/ him. I also owned McGahee last year & scrambled to bid on Moreno when his owner dropped him. Spent a chunk of FAAB $$, and then Moreno goes down to injury. I know: cool story bro.
I hear where you're coming from, but I guess when I listened I took those cautionary words into consideration, knowing that he had some obstacles to overcome.What I do know is that you can't rise up the depth chart if you're hurt and not playing against other teams 1's and 2's. I also think it's very premature to write him off, this early in the season. They haven't even played a regular season game yet. How many times have we seen depth charts change over the course of the season? If you've got really short rosters, sure drop him, but if you're in a dynasty league with 20+ rosters, what do you lose by keeping him and seeing what may change over the course of the season? If he makes no progress, cut your losses, but if he does you may have a gem there and it hurts to cut a guy early in the season that becomes an RB1 due to injury or just plain out-playing everyone else.It's not so much what's said, but how it's said. All of the above was included, but more like:"Hillman was drafted to replace McGahee. He IS the future of the backfield in Denver, of that there can be no doubt. He can do it all and reminds me a young LeSean McCoy. He is fantastic and can run between the tackles. Now, all that being said, Hillman has a few things standing in his way. McGahee is still there, he needs to work on pass protection, and we all know Fox loves veterans. So it might not be until week 8, or it might not even be this season, but Hillman will be the man in Denver when all is said and done."I've heard it so many times I can practically recite it. I've heard it since Denver drafted him. What I get from Cecil is that Hillman as starter in Denver is inevitable - only a matter of when, not if. And when seems to end beginning of next year, and starts as early as midseason.So after hearing all this checked out tape on Hillman. I saw a very small back that looked to have decent speed, very little leg drive, a slight frame, and would have a very hard time being "the man" on any team in the NFL. All of a sudden this belief in Hillman spread to other sites, and the only way you knew he wasn't #2 is if you read the fine print. But to my knowledge Hillman was #2, if at all, only very briefly, as he spent most of offseason and camp behind Lance Ball.Now, if you can't beat out Lance Ball, you are in some serious trouble. He is about as weak competition as you get in the NFL. So there were warning signs before injury set in, but still the drums beat for Hillman.Just seems to me that there was smoke to this fire a long time before today suggesting Hillman was destined for very little this year. And if he can't beat out Lance Ball as a rookie, what really is there to be excited about, even in dynasty?After listening to all the podcasts, this is basically what Cecil has said:- Hillman has a lot of talent and reminds many of LeSean McCoy. But, like McCoy, he's going to need some time to come into his own.- That McGahee is still the RB1, but that Hillman was drafted to be the RB of the future.- Just how soon that future is will be dependant on Hillman's health and how fast he can pick up the pass blocking duties.- The other obvious roadblock to Hillman becoming the RB1 is Fox's allegiance to veterans.It seems to me that Clifford took all the Hillman praise and didn't pay any attention to the cautionary words.IMO, Hillman is a draft and hold in keeper/dynasty leagues. Until he's healthy enough to practice and prove that he can handle blitz pickups, he won't be moving up the depth chart, so you're unlikely to get any return on investment on him in the first half of the season.What I know of Hillman is he projects as a 3rd down back but I know good experts that think a lot more of him as well. All rookies are sleepers to these experts so I try not to get too excited like I have in the past. There's no reason to write on Moreno in his 4th year when he's actually had some success in the past. Cecil called McGahee last year so I do wonder what he thinks from a a front row seat, just haven't had the time to listen to podcast.Last year it was Delone Carter, this year it was Hillman. Every year, Cecil and crew pick a middle-round back that no one else is talking about and beat the table for the guy all offseason. Then the season shows up and they do absolutely nothing. If you want to get a future look at how Hillman will be talked about next offseason, just check out Carter's blurbs on the enewsletter. "Lacks the burst needed to be a running back at the NFL level"Like they weren't proclaiming him the obvious starter and RBOF for the Colts just one year ago, saying he looked like the best RB in the class.Hillman is this year's Delone Carter. This is probably the last you will hear about him until they tell you he doesn't have what it takes to play in the NFL this time next year.Good catch Hippie.
Yeah, what I was getting at is while it looks like Hillman at this point isnt worth a roster spot with this news (even in deep leagues like mine), I dont think Moreno is the guy he is worth dropping for. Not sold on Moreno at all, and if Hillman were to become the definite backup again, I dont see that happening for awhile.With this news, if I dont drop Hillman now, I almost guarantee I will next week - even moreso since my waiver priority is already low after having the 3rd pick so not a waste in that regard either. Because of that, Im probably just going to drop him in the next few days for someone who has blow up potential in week 1 that may be a hot pickup, like Rod Streater or Steve Smith (STL). If that player ends up a miss, Im in the same boat I wouldve been in anyway dropping Hillman.
But right now he's even cheaper than a lottery ticket as most will get him free for a buck etc not blowing your faab was, more like precum
He does provide an intriguing band aid for injured rb1/2 owners though for he price of a band aid.I hear where you're coming from, but I guess when I listened I took those cautionary words into consideration, knowing that he had some obstacles to overcome.What I do know is that you can't rise up the depth chart if you're hurt and not playing against other teams 1's and 2's. I also think it's very premature to write him off, this early in the season. They haven't even played a regular season game yet. How many times have we seen depth charts change over the course of the season? If you've got really short rosters, sure drop him, but if you're in a dynasty league with 20+ rosters, what do you lose by keeping him and seeing what may change over the course of the season? If he makes no progress, cut your losses, but if he does you may have a gem there and it hurts to cut a guy early in the season that becomes an RB1 due to injury or just plain out-playing everyone else.It's not so much what's said, but how it's said. All of the above was included, but more like:"Hillman was drafted to replace McGahee. He IS the future of the backfield in Denver, of that there can be no doubt. He can do it all and reminds me a young LeSean McCoy. He is fantastic and can run between the tackles. Now, all that being said, Hillman has a few things standing in his way. McGahee is still there, he needs to work on pass protection, and we all know Fox loves veterans. So it might not be until week 8, or it might not even be this season, but Hillman will be the man in Denver when all is said and done."I've heard it so many times I can practically recite it. I've heard it since Denver drafted him. What I get from Cecil is that Hillman as starter in Denver is inevitable - only a matter of when, not if. And when seems to end beginning of next year, and starts as early as midseason.So after hearing all this checked out tape on Hillman. I saw a very small back that looked to have decent speed, very little leg drive, a slight frame, and would have a very hard time being "the man" on any team in the NFL. All of a sudden this belief in Hillman spread to other sites, and the only way you knew he wasn't #2 is if you read the fine print. But to my knowledge Hillman was #2, if at all, only very briefly, as he spent most of offseason and camp behind Lance Ball.Now, if you can't beat out Lance Ball, you are in some serious trouble. He is about as weak competition as you get in the NFL. So there were warning signs before injury set in, but still the drums beat for Hillman.Just seems to me that there was smoke to this fire a long time before today suggesting Hillman was destined for very little this year. And if he can't beat out Lance Ball as a rookie, what really is there to be excited about, even in dynasty?After listening to all the podcasts, this is basically what Cecil has said:- Hillman has a lot of talent and reminds many of LeSean McCoy. But, like McCoy, he's going to need some time to come into his own.- That McGahee is still the RB1, but that Hillman was drafted to be the RB of the future.- Just how soon that future is will be dependant on Hillman's health and how fast he can pick up the pass blocking duties.- The other obvious roadblock to Hillman becoming the RB1 is Fox's allegiance to veterans.It seems to me that Clifford took all the Hillman praise and didn't pay any attention to the cautionary words.IMO, Hillman is a draft and hold in keeper/dynasty leagues. Until he's healthy enough to practice and prove that he can handle blitz pickups, he won't be moving up the depth chart, so you're unlikely to get any return on investment on him in the first half of the season.What I know of Hillman is he projects as a 3rd down back but I know good experts that think a lot more of him as well. All rookies are sleepers to these experts so I try not to get too excited like I have in the past. There's no reason to write on Moreno in his 4th year when he's actually had some success in the past. Cecil called McGahee last year so I do wonder what he thinks from a a front row seat, just haven't had the time to listen to podcast.Last year it was Delone Carter, this year it was Hillman. Every year, Cecil and crew pick a middle-round back that no one else is talking about and beat the table for the guy all offseason. Then the season shows up and they do absolutely nothing. If you want to get a future look at how Hillman will be talked about next offseason, just check out Carter's blurbs on the enewsletter. "Lacks the burst needed to be a running back at the NFL level"Like they weren't proclaiming him the obvious starter and RBOF for the Colts just one year ago, saying he looked like the best RB in the class.Hillman is this year's Delone Carter. This is probably the last you will hear about him until they tell you he doesn't have what it takes to play in the NFL this time next year.
I bet that is almost precisely what people said when it was known that Cincinnati was singing Benson. Talent is tablet. Like someone said go back and look at his last 4-5 games of 2010. He was amazing. Won so e Pele playoff spots no doubt.
Those TEs release. Moreno still a safety valve/wheel route/screen guy
What did he do to be considered garbage? He ran well last year but he was injuried. It's possible for him to do the same this year and end up stealing carries from McGahee. Definitely one to keep an eye on.
Hooray for Pele!!!
I bet almost anything that you've said that 4 years in a row. How'd it work out before he had competition and blew his knee out?
Can't really make sense of this, but you seem to be saying talent wins out. Well, other than Cecil's never-ending hype surrounding this guy, why do we think he's so talented? Why do we think he'll ever be a starter, especially when there is another young back on the team that was a higher-rated prospect when drafted?
done. i always assumd subtitles wee included in the searches
meant it more in a "don't allow a guy who burned you in the past to cloud what's occurring in the present" kind of way. a lot of people who had drafted benson in the past ignored him in cicny until it was too ate to get him cheaply based on emotion.
I'm not questioning the rest of your assessment, but didn't he play in the SEC? He rushed for a minimum of 1330 yards in his two years and had 32 total TDs.
Hey Sweet Love, I am pretty sure that Clifford is talking about Hillman not Moreno.
Debating this exact move...did you pull the trigger?
Correct.
