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Shanahan Talks About Tatum Bell's Status (1 Viewer)

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Near the bottom Shanahan is directly asked if Mike Bell will now be back in the mix and he dodges the question completely. Here are all of the questions about Tatum and Mike Bell from his press conference today:

On the status of RB Tatum Bell

“He is still pretty sore. Very similar to what it was last week and we are just going to wait and see how he does during the week.”

On if he feels that RB Tatum Bell would benefit from sitting out for a couple of weeks

“I’m sure he would be a lot better if he sat down for a couple of weeks. Everybody would be a lot better if they sat out for a couple of weeks, but everybody is sore this time of the year and everybody is tired. Everybody is hurting a little bit, so if he is injured he won’t play, if he is hurting he will do his best to play.”

On how he feels rookie RB Mike Bell played yesterday

“It is nice to see a guy step up, especially a young guy. When your starter goes down in the first half and Tatum (Bell) was hurting at halftime and Mike took advantage of an opportunity and played quite well.”

On if it is more impressive that RB Mike Bell stepped up being a rookie

“He gets quite a few reps; he has gotten quite a few since he has been here. We only have so many running backs so we switch off quite evenly through practice and you just like to see a guy take advantage of an opportunity once he gets it. He ran well, he blocked well, and he played a good game.”

On whether or not RB Mike Bell would be back in the mix if RB Tatum Bell was not hurt

“I guess we might as well start that controversy and get away from the quarterbacks. By the way Jake (Plummer) is our quarterback this week.”

On Tatum Bell’s toes

“Both toes are bothering him. It’s a little bit of turf toe. Obviously, it’s not to an extreme because he can still practice, and he still played some. But it’s quite sore.”

On when Tatum Bell’s toes became an issue

“I really don’t know. At halftime, he said that he didn’t feel very comfortable, so that’s when we put in Mike (Bell) full time.”

 
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On whether or not RB Mike Bell would be back in the mix if RB Tatum Bell was not hurt

"I guess we might as well start that controversy and get away from the quarterbacks. By the way Jake (Plummer) is our quarterback this week."
:lmao:
Bill Parcells caliber comments there.
Totally - gotta love that.These comments sound like a double edged sword - either TBell will deal with the pain and play, or he will tell Shanahan that the toe is bothering him and MBell will receive a lot of action:

On Tatum Bell’s toes

“Both toes are bothering him. It’s a little bit of turf toe. Obviously, it’s not to an extreme because he can still practice, and he still played some. But it’s quite sore.”

On when Tatum Bell’s toes became an issue

“I really don’t know. At halftime, he said that he didn’t feel very comfortable, so that’s when we put in Mike (Bell) full time.”
Did TBell take himself out? I recall TBell talking at the beginning of the year about how he knew he needed to communicate more with the staff and let them know when he wasn't feeling 100 percent. It seems clear that a less than 100 percent TBell is a TBell whose carries Shannie will limit.And Mike Bell was scary good - his vision was top-notch, his cuts were very smooth, he ran through tacklers, and he was always movig north-south. When TBell spelled him, he looked like a runner who was tentative due to injury or whatever.

Turf toe on a RB scares the crud out of me - almost as much as the dreaded "high ankle sprain" - but with the sprain they actually sit the runner. TBell might actually be named the starter and not be able to finish the game. Looks like a potential lineup nightmare in Denver.

BTW, one of our most obvious roundtable discussions this week is on the Denver running back situation - we will be discussing both players.

 
Remember last year how turf toe affected Chris Brown last year? He could not finish games and was always GTD. I agree with Marc on this that it is a frustrating injury to a fantasy owner because you can almost bet on it that this will linger until the offseason.

 
Tatum Bell sure sounds like a guy who doesn't expect to start or play much this week:

"I would expect Mike to get in there and try to help me get back," Tatum Bell said. "The way he's running, hopefully he can carry it on through this next week. There won't be no drop-off if I'm not in there because we know Mike is going to come in there and get it done."

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(Rotoworld) The Denver Post reports that RB Tatum Bell (toe) "sounds resigned to a ... reduced role until his feet get healthy."

Impact: Coach Mike Shanahan called Tatum Bell his "starter" Monday, but the newspaper speculates that Mike Bell may get significant work again in Week 9. "I would expect Mike to get in there and try to help me get back," Tatum Bell said. "The way he's running, hopefully he can carry it on through this next week."

 
I'm sitting Tatum for Dunn until he shows me something he can play a full game again. I also have Deshawn on the bench in case Dunn gets phased out too.

 
Damn, I was banking on a tad more. Now what? :confused:
Man, I hate turf toe injuries. I dealt with it when Chris Brown was injured a few years ago. You just never know whether the player is going to aggravate the injury during the game. Also, it was interesting that Tatum could not run much on the toe in the second half. If I recall correctly when Brown had the injury, there was always a concern that if there was a period of inactivity (i.e halftime) that a turf toe injury would worsen and make it more difficult to run on. So, even if Tatum sucks it up and starts out games, Mike may end up seeing some significant action in the second half if the injury flares up.My main concern is that, even if Tatum starts, he may injure himself or be ineffective because he isn't able to utilize his speed, which is his main asset. Once that happens Mike Bell is coming in. I don't see how Shanny hesitates to use Mike after what he did last week. I honestly don't think Tatum can make it through a game at this point with his turf toe, so at the very least its a RBBC. Unfortunately, I am stuck with starting either Bell as my #2RB this week and am going to plug in Mike at this point.
 
Just one person's speculation but I think barring an injury or ineffectiveness by Mike Bell that Tatum Bell is done as the starter. I think the best-case scenario for Tatum is that he returns to health (or as close as he can get) and he ends up in a RBBC situation, maybe getting the majority of the carries but with Mike Bell getting the goal-line carries. A more likely scenario is a repeat of last season's Anderson/Tatum situation with Mike Bell starting and getting most of the carries and Tatum getting 10-12 carries as the change-of-pace RB, again with Mike Bell being the goal-line RB.

I think Tatum's best chance to regain his starting job is for Mike Bell to look bad which is certainly possible given how unimpressive he was in the first two games of the season. But that was a completely different Mike Bell against the Colts than the RB I saw in the first two games so I wouldn't bank on him reverting to early-season form.

I think the best Tatum owners can do is hope he can get healthy and regain the RB3 value he had last season when he was in the time-share with Anderson. But I think he's done as a starter and won't be the impact player many of us envisioned after he took the starting job. As a Tatum owner I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see this situation playing itself out.

 
It is looking like a full blown RBBC again! :wall:

I knew I should have dumped both of those guys 2 weeks ago!

 
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Just one person's speculation but I think barring an injury or ineffectiveness by Mike Bell that Tatum Bell is done as the starter. I think the best-case scenario for Tatum is that he returns to health (or as close as he can get) and he ends up in a RBBC situation, maybe getting the majority of the carries but with Mike Bell getting the goal-line carries. A more likely scenario is a repeat of last season's Anderson/Tatum situation with Mike Bell starting and getting most of the carries and Tatum getting 10-12 carries as the change-of-pace RB, again with Mike Bell being the goal-line RB.I think Tatum's best chance to regain his starting job is for Mike Bell to look bad which is certainly possible given how unimpressive he was in the first two games of the season. But that was a completely different Mike Bell against the Colts than the RB I saw in the first two games so I wouldn't bank on him reverting to early-season form. I think the best Tatum owners can do is hope he can get healthy and regain the RB3 value he had last season when he was in the time-share with Anderson. But I think he's done as a starter and won't be the impact player many of us envisioned after he took the starting job. As a Tatum owner I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see this situation playing itself out.
I think you're overestimating the impact on Tatum. While the overall offense has been poor for the most part, Tatum has looked very, very good this year, and, more importantly, the team is winning.That said, his clear-cut feature back status could indeed be impacted should Shanahan once again question his durability. As such, Shanny could once again be more comfortable with Tatum in a part-time role.
 
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Near the bottom Shanahan is directly asked if Mike Bell will now be back in the mix and he dodges the question completely. Here are all of the questions about Tatum and Mike Bell from his press conference today:

On the status of RB Tatum Bell

“He is still pretty sore. Very similar to what it was last week and we are just going to wait and see how he does during the week.”

On if he feels that RB Tatum Bell would benefit from sitting out for a couple of weeks

“I’m sure he would be a lot better if he sat down for a couple of weeks. Everybody would be a lot better if they sat out for a couple of weeks, but everybody is sore this time of the year and everybody is tired. Everybody is hurting a little bit, so if he is injured he won’t play, if he is hurting he will do his best to play.”

On how he feels rookie RB Mike Bell played yesterday

“It is nice to see a guy step up, especially a young guy. When your starter goes down in the first half and Tatum (Bell) was hurting at halftime and Mike took advantage of an opportunity and played quite well.”

On if it is more impressive that RB Mike Bell stepped up being a rookie

“He gets quite a few reps; he has gotten quite a few since he has been here. We only have so many running backs so we switch off quite evenly through practice and you just like to see a guy take advantage of an opportunity once he gets it. He ran well, he blocked well, and he played a good game.”

On whether or not RB Mike Bell would be back in the mix if RB Tatum Bell was not hurt

“I guess we might as well start that controversy and get away from the quarterbacks. By the way Jake (Plummer) is our quarterback this week.”

On Tatum Bell’s toes

“Both toes are bothering him. It’s a little bit of turf toe. Obviously, it’s not to an extreme because he can still practice, and he still played some. But it’s quite sore.”

On when Tatum Bell’s toes became an issue

“I really don’t know. At halftime, he said that he didn’t feel very comfortable, so that’s when we put in Mike (Bell) full time.”
Thanks PF. Excellent post. :thumbup: J

 
Just one person's speculation but I think barring an injury or ineffectiveness by Mike Bell that Tatum Bell is done as the starter. I think the best-case scenario for Tatum is that he returns to health (or as close as he can get) and he ends up in a RBBC situation, maybe getting the majority of the carries but with Mike Bell getting the goal-line carries. A more likely scenario is a repeat of last season's Anderson/Tatum situation with Mike Bell starting and getting most of the carries and Tatum getting 10-12 carries as the change-of-pace RB, again with Mike Bell being the goal-line RB.I think Tatum's best chance to regain his starting job is for Mike Bell to look bad which is certainly possible given how unimpressive he was in the first two games of the season. But that was a completely different Mike Bell against the Colts than the RB I saw in the first two games so I wouldn't bank on him reverting to early-season form. I think the best Tatum owners can do is hope he can get healthy and regain the RB3 value he had last season when he was in the time-share with Anderson. But I think he's done as a starter and won't be the impact player many of us envisioned after he took the starting job. As a Tatum owner I hope I'm wrong but that's how I see this situation playing itself out.
I think you're overestimating the impact on Tatum. While the overall offense has been poor for the most part, Tatum has looked very, very good this year, and, more importantly, the team is winning.That said, his clear-cut feature back status could indeed be impacted should Shanahan once again question his durability. As such, Shanny could once again be more comfortable with Tatum in a part-time role.
I completely agree Bell has looked real good this season. After all, he entered this past week as the AFC's leading rusher. So he definitely has been playing very well and like you said the team has been winning. I concede that I may be looking at this with a rather discouraging eye because this is a troubling development for Tatum owners. So perhaps I am guilty of being too down over this news. However, I'm also trying to look at this as realistically as possible and the critical factors here in my opinion are:1. Tatum has an injury that often takes several weeks at least to recover from. 2. Mike Bell looked real good against the Colts, arguably better than Tatum has looked in any game this season.3. If Mike Bell continues to run well it's going to be very difficult for Shanahan to take him out of the lineup - no matter how good Tatum had looked before this past Sunday.So looking at this from a Tatum owner's perspective it's extremely difficult for me to find many positives in this development as far as Tatum's potential for the rest of the season. I still think the only way he gets back to the role he had prior to the Indy game is if Mike Bell gets hurt or is ineffective again.
 
I don't think blowing past a terrible run defense means you're automatically the new starter, and the guy who led the conference in rushing is headed to the bench permanently.

If anything, this week will be a real audition to see if Mike earns significant playing time, or can be the starter. If he has a decent game against the Steelers in Pittsburgh (a tough assignment for any back) then I'd say he's the man. If he plays like Edgerrin James it'll be up to Tatum to reclaim the job when he's healthy.

Whichever back can keep Jake Plummer from having to win (lose) games by himself is Shanahan's guy. This week will say a lot about whether Mike can do the job.

 
I think that before people get carried away about how great Mike Bell is, it is worth remembering that the Colts have the worst rush defense in the league. So yes, Mike looked good and Tatum looked bad, but Tatum was hurt and the Colts rush D stinks out loud. Just last week, Mike could only manage 2.5 YPC against the Browns, the 28th ranked team against the rush.

Just my :2cents: .

ETA: Neil beat me to it by three minutes.

 
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The Steelers D is not what it was in the past, but it's a heck of a lot better than Indi's. I'm not sure if either Bell is a good play this week. To make matters worse, I have to pick one of them to start :bag:

 
I think that before people get carried away about how great Mike Bell is, it is worth remembering that the Colts have the worst rush defense in the league. So yes, Mike looked good and Tatum looked bad, but Tatum was hurt and the Colts rush D stinks out loud. Just last week, Mike could only manage 2.5 YPC against the Browns, the 28th ranked team against the rush.Just my :2cents: .ETA: Neil beat me to it by three minutes.
:goodposting: They made Maurice Jones-Drew and Fred Taylor look like Barry Sanders and Walter Payton. Everyone is loving the Colts but I don't think any team with a rush defense that poor will go far. Manning and the passing game can only bail them out so many times before the well runs dry.J
 
I definitely agree about how bad the Colts' run defense is. But I still think Mike Bell looked better in that game than any game I've seen from Tatum Bell this season - and I'm a big Tatum Bell guy, believe me. Tatum's also played some bad run defenses, maybe not as bad as Indy's but some bad ones, and I haven't seen him look as good as Mike Bell looked.

Now maybe this will turn out to be a case of Mike Bell feasting on a horrible run defense. Maybe he'll revert back to the form he showed in the first two games when - in my opinion - Tatum Bell was clearly the superior RB. That could definitely happen. But if you're a Tatum owner and that's what you're banking on I think you're taking a huge risk. The injury is bad enough but hoping he not only heals but also that Mike Bell flops in a system that has been guaranteed to work for RBs for the past several years may be asking for too much.

Just my :2cents:

 
jpeace121 said:
I think that before people get carried away about how great Mike Bell is, it is worth remembering that the Colts have the worst rush defense in the league. So yes, Mike looked good and Tatum looked bad, but Tatum was hurt and the Colts rush D stinks out loud. Just last week, Mike could only manage 2.5 YPC against the Browns, the 28th ranked team against the rush.Just my :2cents: .ETA: Neil beat me to it by three minutes.
Tatum averaged more yds per carry in every game except for this game when he was hurt
 
My scenario:

Mike Bell reverts to 3.5 yds per carry or less against Pittsburg's tougher run defense; Tatum Bell gets more carries the week after that but he fails to impress because he's still turf toed, and its a slushee of underperforming Bronco RBs out at least the next 4 -6 weeks.

I got T Bell and M Bell is available, but I think I'm just gonna walk away from the whole Denver RBBC.

 
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thats why i traded for m.bell when t.bell was stealing the show. now it will pay off. i also won last week and it didnt hurt me now maybe it can help me.

 
i don't know if missed this above while reading the thread, but I think the bigger news here is that the Broncos management was bang on about Tatum. The reason he wasn't a full-time starter to this point was because they didnt' think he could handle the load. Well here we are after Game 7 where the Broncos have already had a bye week and Tatum is injured.

I don't know if you guys read the article last week regarding how Tatum has been feeling after playing each week and getting pounded for 25 carries a game. He came out and said he never wants 40 carries per game, 25 is more than enough. He mentioned how his body doesn't completely heal til the middle of the week and they go through the grind again.

Here's the link to that:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5100835,00.html

To make this work effectively, I'm hoping as a Broncos fan that for every 2 series Mike Bell gets, Tatum gets 1 series. He just can't handle the workload.

 
i don't know if missed this above while reading the thread, but I think the bigger news here is that the Broncos management was bang on about Tatum. The reason he wasn't a full-time starter to this point was because they didnt' think he could handle the load. Well here we are after Game 7 where the Broncos have already had a bye week and Tatum is injured.

I don't know if you guys read the article last week regarding how Tatum has been feeling after playing each week and getting pounded for 25 carries a game. He came out and said he never wants 40 carries per game, 25 is more than enough. He mentioned how his body doesn't completely heal til the middle of the week and they go through the grind again.

Here's the link to that:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5100835,00.html

To make this work effectively, I'm hoping as a Broncos fan that for every 2 series Mike Bell gets, Tatum gets 1 series. He just can't handle the workload.
:goodposting:
 
To make this work effectively, I'm hoping as a Broncos fan that for every 2 series Mike Bell gets, Tatum gets 1 series. He just can't handle the workload.
Hmm - I see it in the reverse - Tatum for two series' and Mike for one.That would keep Tatum under 25 carries.
 
To make this work effectively, I'm hoping as a Broncos fan that for every 2 series Mike Bell gets, Tatum gets 1 series. He just can't handle the workload.
Hmm - I see it in the reverse - Tatum for two series' and Mike for one.That would keep Tatum under 25 carries.
Given the overall production from both RBs so far this season it would make sense to give Tatum more carries since he's clearly been the superior RB. But as I speculated above, he may not get healthy enough to reclaim that role. Even if he does, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw Mike Bell become the goal-line option. That definitely seemed to be in the works before Tatum begged out of the Colts' game. So even if Tatum can get healthy I don't see him getting back to the level of production he showed in his first few games as a starter.
 
In case anyone was wondering:

Rushing:

Tatum Bell 137 carries 612 yards 4.5 ypc 2 TDs

Mike Bell 53 carries 277 yards 5.2 ypc 3 TDs

Receiving:

Tatum Bell 13 rec. 55 yds. 4.2 ypr 0 TDs

Mike Bell 6 rec. 49 yds. 8.2 ypr 0 TDs

I think that what we'll see this for the next week or two, is Mike getting two series and Tatum one.

Once Tatum's feet are feeling better, it will be more 50/50, assuming one of them doesn't completely outplay the other.

One thing that has been seen, so far, is that Tatum cannot be a 30 touch per game guy. He is breaking down and he's just began to be the workhorse. He's far too effective as a home run threat for Shanahan to beat up like that, especially when Mike Bell is averaging more per touch, both on the ground and in the air. Mike hasn't played enough to for us to see if he could handle a ton of touches, either.

From a fantasy standpoint, I think that their combined effectiveness is going to keep both of them from being an elite back this year, with the only exception being if one of them misses significant time.

 
After reading all of these posts..I am picking up Cobbs!

Mike Bell did not look good early and the holes he ran through on Sunday were a mile wide. Tatum can`t seem to carry the load.

The way Shanny operates Cobbs may be playing in 2 weeks.

 
Actually, I doubt we see any more of that "one series, two series" nonsense again for a long time. It was a really bizarre method, and I never got the feeling that either Shanahan or the RBs were comfortable with it. If we go back to more of an RBBC, I expect it to be a more free-flowing RBBC, much like was used last season, where the RBs aren't in at arbitrary times, but rather substituted freely to take advantages of situations that play to their strengths or to keep the defense off balance.

 
Actually, I doubt we see any more of that "one series, two series" nonsense again for a long time. It was a really bizarre method, and I never got the feeling that either Shanahan or the RBs were comfortable with it. If we go back to more of an RBBC, I expect it to be a more free-flowing RBBC, much like was used last season, where the RBs aren't in at arbitrary times, but rather substituted freely to take advantages of situations that play to their strengths or to keep the defense off balance.
I really think it's going to be a repeat of the Anderson/Bell situation from last season with Mike Bell taking on the Anderson role. He starts, gets most of the carries most weeks and gets the goal-line carries. Tatum is then the change-of-pace RB who gets 10-15 carries or so a game. That's all contingent on Tatum recovering from his toe injuries which is anything but a given.Should that happen then Mike Bell becomes at least a RB3 with RB2/RB1 upside some weeks. Tatum would be a solid RB3 most weeks with RB2 potential when the matchup is right. Both Anderson and Tatum were good starting options last season and I think both Bells can repeat that this season.Again, assuming Tatum can recover from his injuries.
 
After reading all of these posts..I am picking up Cobbs!

Mike Bell did not look good early and the holes he ran through on Sunday were a mile wide. Tatum can`t seem to carry the load.

The way Shanny operates Cobbs may be playing in 2 weeks.
Has he done anything so far? (Serious question)I thought Mike Bell had beat him out coming into the year. It just seems Bell, Bell, Cobbs, Sapp....anyone of them could be the guy. I have not seen Cobbs at all and am not sure what Shanny thinks of him.

 
After reading all of these posts..I am picking up Cobbs!

Mike Bell did not look good early and the holes he ran through on Sunday were a mile wide. Tatum can`t seem to carry the load.

The way Shanny operates Cobbs may be playing in 2 weeks.
Has he done anything so far? (Serious question)I thought Mike Bell had beat him out coming into the year. It just seems Bell, Bell, Cobbs, Sapp....anyone of them could be the guy. I have not seen Cobbs at all and am not sure what Shanny thinks of him.
I don't even think he's been active for a game yet this year.
 
After reading all of these posts..I am picking up Cobbs!

Mike Bell did not look good early and the holes he ran through on Sunday were a mile wide. Tatum can`t seem to carry the load.

The way Shanny operates Cobbs may be playing in 2 weeks.
Has he done anything so far? (Serious question)I thought Mike Bell had beat him out coming into the year. It just seems Bell, Bell, Cobbs, Sapp....anyone of them could be the guy. I have not seen Cobbs at all and am not sure what Shanny thinks of him.
I don't even think he's been active for a game yet this year.
He was active in week 2 against Kansas City. He's been inactive in all 6 of the other games.That's pretty telling, when your leading rusher is battling turf toe and you don't even activate your #3 RB. Cobbs is very clearly way behind Mike Bell and Tatum Bell in the pecking order right now.

 

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