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Shane Ray cited for weed possession (1 Viewer)

massraider said:
Lay off the weed for a few months, collect millions of dollars. Seems kinda easy to me.
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On the flip side, watch all that money go up in smoke!

It's definitely good news for any team that was on the fence about him. There has got to be more than one GM with an early-ish pick wiping their brow and going "WHEW!" right about now.

 
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ILUVBEER99 said:
How does a guy put himself in this position a week before the draft. Mind boggling.
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That IMHO is more of the red flag than the weed. Biggest night of your life is a few days away and you 1) don't have enough control/mental capacity to control yourself and 2) don't have any support/friends that are there to help you control yourself. If I'm a GM, there are plenty of other similar candidates out there.

 
JetMaxx said:
Some team is going to get a 3rd rd steal and for that they thank Mr Ray's indiscretion.
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That seems like his best chance to avoid being a bust. I was really hoping the legion of people mocking him in the top 15 were right and would just push one more good player down to SD.

People act like, "Well, he and Gregory are a little light but they are edge guys" but that is way off imo. Gregory is boom or bust but at least he has the athleticism to get around the edge and be a situational pass rusher in the NFL. Gregory at 245 isn't athletic enough to win on the edge and instead gets a lot of production with quickness against interior blockers... IN COLLEGE. I just don't see how a 245 pounder is going to win inside against NFL interior lineman. Ray had to be one of the biggest bust candidates BEFORE this bonehead move.

For the life of me I couldn't understand why Ray was thought of as a top 15 pick while a guy like Kikaha was considered a 3rd-4th rounder when they are in the exact same boat as ultra-productive college players who may not be able to translate to the NFL. Given the choice I would much rather see SD take a chance on Kikaha in the 4th rather than take Ray even if he was there in the 5th round.

 
I haven't watched his tapes/film. Though Ive seen lots of highlights.

I have, however, watched his interviews and myriad of shows he has been on and recorded over the past 2 months... I would have been very very scared of drafting him before this latest incident.

As a Steeler fan with a huge need on my team for one solid pass rusher, I don't want him. Only if the team is assured it can get his head on straight. That's a big if.

 
:wall: :wall: :wall:

Stuff like this will never cease to amaze me with young professional sports players. For those that are already drafted... you're making MILLIONS OF DOLLARS! MILLIONS! Why are you getting pulled over with a DUI? A taxi is like $20. Call a friggin taxi.

As for the guys not yet drafted... weed isn't addicting. It's not like you have a heroin addiction and need to shoot up or risk dying from withdrawal. Ray really wouldn't wait 3 days to start driving around with pot? Like, 3 days and that's the difference of several million dollars in his life. It's just amazing. If he slips out of the first round he lost several million.

Dummies makes a good point that the 2nd contract makes the difference, that's not incorrect. But still, he was projected as a Top 10 pick, last year Top 10 picks made a nice penny. Lets put it this way, Ray was likely to come off the board in the top 10 prior to this, Anthony Barr last year went at 9th overall to the Vikings and signed a four year 13 million dollar contract with a 7.5 million dollar signing bonus that is fully guaranteed.

Comparatively, Demarcus Lawrence was pick 34 (2nd pick, 2nd round). He signed with the Cowboys for 4 years, 5 million dollars with a 2.5 million dollar signing bonus.

If Ray slips to day two, this little bust cost him somewhere in the range of 8 million dollars over the next 2 years? And a $5 million dollar mistake within the next couple of months. That's a BIG deal. Bonehead doesn't even cut it.

 
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Like Gregory, had a good chance to go top 10. And on top of it Ray has a foot injury and was putting up a pretty good smoke screen about a kid whose mother kept him under control for the most part. I still don't think either fall out of round 1, but neither is a top 15 pick anymore. No way I'm risking an early pick on him. Does a guy really love football if he can't stay off weed for a couple of key months in his life? My intuition is no.

 
His pass rush production in college was 2nd to none, which I think led to early top 10 draft talk.

He also played 4-3 right end, and ONLY 4-3 right end, at 6'3", 240. You can actually stop right there with that info, and say he isn't going in the top 10.

I think Ray is one of those guys the NFL has ranked a LOT lower than the media, and a bad toe and weed arrest, plus apparently some failed tests at Mizzou, are all gonna contribute to him sliding right out of the first.

He's Chris Clemons, at best. Pass-rushing specialists don't go top 10, with red flags.

 
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter

Shane Ray now automatically enrolled in behavioral portion of Phase 1 of NFL's substance abuse program, sources tell ESPN's Mark Dominik.
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Bad news for Ray. Now he gets caught with pot and he's automatically subject to a suspension.
 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter

Shane Ray now automatically enrolled in behavioral portion of Phase 1 of NFL's substance abuse program, sources tell ESPN's Mark Dominik.
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Bad news for Ray. Now he gets caught with pot and he's automatically subject to a suspension.
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No, not suspension but lots and lots of testing

 
msommer said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter

Shane Ray now automatically enrolled in behavioral portion of Phase 1 of NFL's substance abuse program, sources tell ESPN's Mark Dominik.
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Bad news for Ray. Now he gets caught with pot and he's automatically subject to a suspension.
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No, not suspension but lots and lots of testing
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Not what it says here:

Eric Galko@OptimumScouting · 1h 1 hour ago

Eric Galko retweeted Adam Schefter

THAT'S the bad news. Now can't be AROUND marijuanna at all. Any slip up =suspension. THAT could drop him out of 1st:
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Joint NFL NFLPA Statement to Changes on Drug Programs
Two discipline stages will be added for marijuana positives, as follows: a first violation will result in referral to the substance abuse program, as is the case today. Subsequent violations will result in a two-game fine, a four-game fine, a four-game suspension, a 10-game suspension, and one-year banishment. The new stages are the two-game fine and the 10-game suspension. In addition, the threshold for a positive marijuana test will be raised from 15 ng/ml to 35 ng/ml, reflecting recent actions taken by other testing organizations.
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The guy above mentioned "lots and lots of testing" because once in stage 2 for MJ, you are subject to I think up to 10 random tests per month, which if they nail you, can then lead to the above-mentioned 2-game fines, etc.

 
Lots and lots of testing...and if you test clean, nothing to worry about. And if you test dirty, automatic suspension.

Risk of suspension <> suspension
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Can you explain how the boxed quote doesn't jive with what Galko and Bloom have been saying?

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Lots and lots of testing...and if you test clean, nothing to worry about. And if you test dirty, automatic suspension.
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:no: If you test positive, fined.

Bloom states it correctly, because he is one step closer to a suspension, thus increasing the risk a team faces that it could eventually happen.

The other guy does not, because the next offense would result only in a fine.

 
@dpbrugler: Medicals and off-field are concerns for DE Shane Ray. But his 7.60 3-cone drill a bigger worry for me. You see that stiffness on film.

@dpbrugler: To put that 7.60 3-cone number in perspective, 11 prospects 300+ pounds at the NFL Combine had better 3-cone results than 245-pound Ray.

For some perspective Scherff ran a 7.18 3-cone on his pro day, and he's an OG.

 
if any team drafts him in the 1st round they are idiots. he couldn't even lay off the weed a week before the draft. Way too much risk.

 
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