Shanny talks abotu Cutler and Maroney (1 Viewer)

[Sweetness_34]

The Mike Shanahan-Jay Cutler marriage is going to be one of those 15-year unions. I said to Shanahan Sunday night: "If Cutler's right when he says he hasn't talked to you guys for two months, how in the world did you end up taking him with the 11th pick in the draft?'' Shanahan laughed.

"The first time I talked to him was yesterday, after the pick, and we met here today,''' Shanahan said from Denver. "I studied him and watched him and looked at the draft board and didn't say very much to anyone. I said, 'I'm just going to shut up and hope it works out.' I've been in this thing long enough. You don't give anyone your hand. Don't give anyone an idea, or it's out very quickly. Keep it to yourself.

"I did call [Tennessee Titans coach] Jeff Fisher, who I'm very close to, and I know Jeff to a T, and I just said to him, 'Give me Cutler's good points and bad points.' And he said, 'Mike, there are no bad points.' Jeff knows football players. And I thought, if I could get up there around 11, I'm going to try to get him. When I really got to thinking about it, I asked myself, 'How often am I ever going to have the chance to do something like this again, to get a guy like this?' Maybe never.''

But, I said to Shanahan, 'You have never spoken to the man. How can you pick a guy who is a total stranger?'

"Well, you watch his interviews on tape, and you feel you know the guy,'' Shanahan said. "You pick up the phone and talk to him or his agent, and all of a sudden it's going to get out, and I just couldn't risk that.''

I also wondered, as does all of Colorado, about the psyche of Jake Plummer after the move.

"Haven't talked to him yet,'' said Shanahan. "The draft just ended. We'll talk. But if you're a guy who's afraid of competition, you're not made of the right stuff. A guy's got to compete and win the job.''

And one final note from Shanahan about Laurence Maroney. "I loved him,'' Shanahan said. "I think the Patriots got a steal. An absolute steal. I think he's going to be the best back in the league.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...raft/index.html

 

[EBF]

And one final note from Shanahan about Laurence Maroney. "I loved him,'' Shanahan said. "I think the Patriots got a steal. An absolute steal. I think he's going to be the best back in the league.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...raft/index.html

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:Barlow:

 

[Green and Gold]

And one final note from Shanahan about Laurence Maroney. "I loved him,'' Shanahan said. "I think the Patriots got a steal. An absolute steal. I think he's going to be the best back in the league.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...raft/index.html

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:Barlow:
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Barlow is a good example of why character is so important. From what I've read, it doesn't seem like Maroney will have that problem.

 

[cracKer]

And one final note from Shanahan about Laurence Maroney. "I loved him,'' Shanahan said. "I think the Patriots got a steal. An absolute steal. I think he's going to be the best back in the league.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...raft/index.html

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Doesn't he say this every year about some other teams running back?tired schtick, if you ask me

 

[Riffraff]

First he says that he's knows not to tip his hand.

Then he says that Maroney will be the best in the league.

Now which is he doing here?

 

[Wberry]

First he says that he's knows not to tip his hand.

Then he says that Maroney will be the best in the league.

Now which is he doing here?

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How could he be tipping his hand when the draft is over?Seems he's simply stating that he likes Maroney and thinks NE got a good pick at 21.

 

[Football Jones]

I kinda used to believe Shanny was a RB guru, but not so much anymore. Personally, I'm not ranking Maroney any higher than he already is (I have him pretty high right now).

 

[Riffraff]

How could he be tipping his hand when the draft is over?

Seems he's simply stating that he likes Maroney and thinks NE got a good pick at 21.

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Ever had to rely on anything Shanny had to say regarding RBs?He talks BS with the best of them.

 

[Black Box]

And one final note from Shanahan about Laurence Maroney. "I loved him,'' Shanahan said. "I think the Patriots got a steal. An absolute steal. I think he's going to be the best back in the league.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...raft/index.html

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If Bush is a future HOF lock, where does that put Maroney?

 

[Jason Wood]

Shanny knows how to find RBs to fit his system, but ever since he called the 49ers to congratulate them on the Barlow selection; saying he was the best back in the draft, I take his praise of Non-Denver RBs with a grain of salt.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Loving this from Shanahan and Fisher on Cutler:

"I did call [Tennessee Titans coach] Jeff Fisher, who I'm very close to, and I know Jeff to a T, and I just said to him, 'Give me Cutler's good points and bad points.' And he said, 'Mike, there are no bad points.' Jeff knows football players. And I thought, if I could get up there around 11, I'm going to try to get him. When I really got to thinking about it, I asked myself, 'How often am I ever going to have the chance to do something like this again, to get a guy like this?' Maybe never.''

Throw in Jaworski and Steve Young pimping Cutler as the best QB in the draft. Interesting stuff.J

 

[nygiants56]

And one final note from Shanahan about Laurence Maroney. "I loved him,'' Shanahan said. "I think the Patriots got a steal. An absolute steal. I think he's going to be the best back in the league.''

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writ...raft/index.html

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:Barlow:
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i'll add CLARETT, Bell, Olandis '1 year flash in the pan' Gary..

 

[FUBAR]

Shanny knows how to find RBs to fit his system, but ever since he called the 49ers to congratulate them on the Barlow selection; saying he was the best back in the draft, I take his praise of Non-Denver RBs with a grain of salt.

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Seems to me that Shanny is really saying "if this RB doesn't excel, it's the coach's fault". While at the same time proving that his team can make a decent RB great.

 

[redman]

Loving this from Shanahan and Fisher on Cutler:

"I did call [Tennessee Titans coach] Jeff Fisher, who I'm very close to, and I know Jeff to a T, and I just said to him, 'Give me Cutler's good points and bad points.' And he said, 'Mike, there are no bad points.' Jeff knows football players. And I thought, if I could get up there around 11, I'm going to try to get him. When I really got to thinking about it, I asked myself, 'How often am I ever going to have the chance to do something like this again, to get a guy like this?' Maybe never.''

Throw in Jaworski and Steve Young pimping Cutler as the best QB in the draft. Interesting stuff.J

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Always, always remember that there was a heated debate over whether Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning should have been drafted first.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Loving this from Shanahan and Fisher on Cutler:

"I did call [Tennessee Titans coach] Jeff Fisher, who I'm very close to, and I know Jeff to a T, and I just said to him, 'Give me Cutler's good points and bad points.' And he said, 'Mike, there are no bad points.' Jeff knows football players. And I thought, if I could get up there around 11, I'm going to try to get him. When I really got to thinking about it, I asked myself, 'How often am I ever going to have the chance to do something like this again, to get a guy like this?' Maybe never.''

Throw in Jaworski and Steve Young pimping Cutler as the best QB in the draft. Interesting stuff.J

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Always, always remember that there was a heated debate over whether Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning should have been drafted first.
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No doubt. But the Cutler talk this year was totally different than Manning / Leaf or Bledsoe / Mirer.No one ever questioned whether Leaf or Mirer deserved to be in the conversation. The thing I found interesting this year were the people that seemed incredulous that Cutler be even in the conversation with Leinart and Young. Totally different thing.

J

 

[redman]

Loving this from Shanahan and Fisher on Cutler:

"I did call [Tennessee Titans coach] Jeff Fisher, who I'm very close to, and I know Jeff to a T, and I just said to him, 'Give me Cutler's good points and bad points.' And he said, 'Mike, there are no bad points.' Jeff knows football players. And I thought, if I could get up there around 11, I'm going to try to get him. When I really got to thinking about it, I asked myself, 'How often am I ever going to have the chance to do something like this again, to get a guy like this?' Maybe never.''

Throw in Jaworski and Steve Young pimping Cutler as the best QB in the draft. Interesting stuff.J

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Always, always remember that there was a heated debate over whether Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning should have been drafted first.
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No doubt. But the Cutler talk this year was totally different than Manning / Leaf or Bledsoe / Mirer.No one ever questioned whether Leaf or Mirer deserved to be in the conversation. The thing I found interesting this year were the people that seemed incredulous that Cutler be even in the conversation with Leinart and Young. Totally different thing.

J

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I agree, the situations are not mirror images of each other. I'd also point out, however, that when it comes to "draft day ego", Shanny is second to none. I'm not shocked that he's pimping his pick, because in doing so he's also pimping his "special insight" into Cutler's skills as well as his own ability to develop QB's. This is the same guy who famously drafted Maurice Clarett at the end of the 2nd round just one year ago. The guy's not shy about trying to come across as a genius.

 

[SaintArnold]

I agree, the situations are not mirror images of each other.  I'd also point out, however, that when it comes to "draft day ego", Shanny is second to none.  I'm not shocked that he's pimping his pick, because in doing so he's also pimping his "special insight" into Cutler's skills as well as his own ability to develop QB's.  This is the same guy who famously drafted Maurice Clarett at the end of the 2nd round just one year ago.  The guy's not shy about trying to come across as a genius.

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You are misinformed. MoClo was selected with the Broncos third third-round pick. And keep in mind that they did not have another pick until the sixth round.Obviously a terrible decision, but not as bad as you make it sound.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I think Cutler is going to be fantastic.

He'll be starting in Denver at least by the start of the 2008 season...maybe sometime even in 2007.

What are the details of Plummer's contract? I know it goes for at least another 4 years.

 

[redman]

I agree, the situations are not mirror images of each other.  I'd also point out, however, that when it comes to "draft day ego", Shanny is second to none.  I'm not shocked that he's pimping his pick, because in doing so he's also pimping his "special insight" into Cutler's skills as well as his own ability to develop QB's.  This is the same guy who famously drafted Maurice Clarett at the end of the 2nd round just one year ago.  The guy's not shy about trying to come across as a genius.

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You are misinformed. MoClo was selected with the Broncos third third-round pick. And keep in mind that they did not have another pick until the sixth round.Obviously a terrible decision, but not as bad as you make it sound.

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It didn't sound right when I typed it, but I recalled it was a day 1 pick. I should have looked it up. Do you disagree with the overall thrust of what I wrote?

Mind you, I'm not predicting failure for Cutler. None of us know what will happen with him given that everyone agrees that he's a raw prospect who needs lots of work anyway. My point here is that nobody should be surprised at Shanny pimping his own selection of a QB here, especially when he traded up to do it and it was a relatively high profile pick in this draft.

 

[Jason Wood]

Loving this from Shanahan and Fisher on Cutler:

"I did call [Tennessee Titans coach] Jeff Fisher, who I'm very close to, and I know Jeff to a T, and I just said to him, 'Give me Cutler's good points and bad points.' And he said, 'Mike, there are no bad points.' Jeff knows football players. And I thought, if I could get up there around 11, I'm going to try to get him. When I really got to thinking about it, I asked myself, 'How often am I ever going to have the chance to do something like this again, to get a guy like this?' Maybe never.''

Throw in Jaworski and Steve Young pimping Cutler as the best QB in the draft. Interesting stuff.J

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Always, always remember that there was a heated debate over whether Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning should have been drafted first.
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No doubt. But the Cutler talk this year was totally different than Manning / Leaf or Bledsoe / Mirer.No one ever questioned whether Leaf or Mirer deserved to be in the conversation. The thing I found interesting this year were the people that seemed incredulous that Cutler be even in the conversation with Leinart and Young. Totally different thing.

J

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I agree, the situations are not mirror images of each other. I'd also point out, however, that when it comes to "draft day ego", Shanny is second to none. I'm not shocked that he's pimping his pick, because in doing so he's also pimping his "special insight" into Cutler's skills as well as his own ability to develop QB's. This is the same guy who famously drafted Maurice Clarett at the end of the 2nd round just one year ago. The guy's not shy about trying to come across as a genius.
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I agree. Also, vis-a-vis the conversation; what did he expect Jeff Fisher to say? Meanwhile, if we're to believe the reports Fisher and Chow were fighting tooth and nail for Matt Leinart, not Cutler; and the team ultimately drafted Vince Young, not Jay Cutler. And putting aside Steve Young for a moment (whose opinion I value tremendously), let's not forget that Phil Simms and Ron Jaworksi are a) not NFL personnel executives, b) have no proven abilities in that department and c) were themselves QBs prone to winning ugly. Of course they're going to rave about the guy that most resembles their own style of play.

I'm more shocked at the Kellen Clemons love. Guy goes in the early 2nd and nobody bats an eye. WOW.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree, the situations are not mirror images of each other.  I'd also point out, however, that when it comes to "draft day ego", Shanny is second to none.  I'm not shocked that he's pimping his pick, because in doing so he's also pimping his "special insight" into Cutler's skills as well as his own ability to develop QB's.  This is the same guy who famously drafted Maurice Clarett at the end of the 2nd round just one year ago.  The guy's not shy about trying to come across as a genius.

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You are misinformed. MoClo was selected with the Broncos third third-round pick. And keep in mind that they did not have another pick until the sixth round.Obviously a terrible decision, but not as bad as you make it sound.

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It didn't sound right when I typed it, but I recalled it was a day 1 pick. I should have looked it up. Do you disagree with the overall thrust of what I wrote?

Mind you, I'm not predicting failure for Cutler. None of us know what will happen with him given that everyone agrees that he's a raw prospect who needs lots of work anyway. My point here is that nobody should be surprised at Shanny pimping his own selection of a QB here, especially when he traded up to do it and it was a relatively high profile pick in this draft.

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Hi red,For sure people pimp their own picks. But the pimping is not my point. The fact his actions back up his talk here was my point.

Then Fisher plus Young plus Jaws etc. I guess I'm just glad to see it wasn't only Chaos, Mike Mayock and myself that were on Cutler. That's really all I'm saying.

J

 

[LHUCKS]

I have to admit, I've been kind of standing on the sidelines with my Cutler thoughts as I haven't seen the kid play much. But to me, if Jaws likes him and Shanny is trading up for him...there's something to this kid's hype.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Loving this from Shanahan and Fisher on Cutler:

"I did call [Tennessee Titans coach] Jeff Fisher, who I'm very close to, and I know Jeff to a T, and I just said to him, 'Give me Cutler's good points and bad points.' And he said, 'Mike, there are no bad points.' Jeff knows football players. And I thought, if I could get up there around 11, I'm going to try to get him. When I really got to thinking about it, I asked myself, 'How often am I ever going to have the chance to do something like this again, to get a guy like this?' Maybe never.''

Throw in Jaworski and Steve Young pimping Cutler as the best QB in the draft. Interesting stuff.J

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Always, always remember that there was a heated debate over whether Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning should have been drafted first.
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No doubt. But the Cutler talk this year was totally different than Manning / Leaf or Bledsoe / Mirer.No one ever questioned whether Leaf or Mirer deserved to be in the conversation. The thing I found interesting this year were the people that seemed incredulous that Cutler be even in the conversation with Leinart and Young. Totally different thing.

J

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I agree, the situations are not mirror images of each other. I'd also point out, however, that when it comes to "draft day ego", Shanny is second to none. I'm not shocked that he's pimping his pick, because in doing so he's also pimping his "special insight" into Cutler's skills as well as his own ability to develop QB's. This is the same guy who famously drafted Maurice Clarett at the end of the 2nd round just one year ago. The guy's not shy about trying to come across as a genius.
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I agree. Also, vis-a-vis the conversation; what did he expect Jeff Fisher to say? Meanwhile, if we're to believe the reports Fisher and Chow were fighting tooth and nail for Matt Leinart, not Cutler; and the team ultimately drafted Vince Young, not Jay Cutler. And putting aside Steve Young for a moment (whose opinion I value tremendously), let's not forget that Phil Simms and Ron Jaworksi are a) not NFL personnel executives, b) have no proven abilities in that department and c) were themselves QBs prone to winning ugly. Of course they're going to rave about the guy that most resembles their own style of play.

I'm more shocked at the Kellen Clemons love. Guy goes in the early 2nd and nobody bats an eye. WOW.

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Hi Jason,I don't know the details of their friendship but from what I can gather there, I'd expect Fisher to tell him the truth. I think Shanahan is smart and I don't see him as a guy that calls a ton of coaches and more to the point, believes what they tell him. I'd say he's pretty selective about who he listens to. If he says he totally trusts Jeff Fisher to tell him the truth, I'd expect Fisher to tell him the truth.

On to Jaws and Young, I do trust them on evaluating players. Especially Jaws. When a guy with Jaws' ability to break down film says he's watched every single throw the guy made in a college game, I put a lot of stock in that.

J

 

[Slinger]

I have to admit, I've been kind of standing on the sidelines with my Cutler thoughts as I haven't seen the kid play much.  But to me, if Jaws likes him and Shanny is trading up for him...there's something to this kid's hype.

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I saw him last year in person when Vandy came to town to play the Gators. Lets just say that he put on a show. He was making throws that a lot of pros can't make.

 

[LHUCKS]

I have to admit, I've been kind of standing on the sidelines with my Cutler thoughts as I haven't seen the kid play much.  But to me, if Jaws likes him and Shanny is trading up for him...there's something to this kid's hype.

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I saw him last year in person when Vandy came to town to play the Gators. Lets just say that he put on a show. He was making throws that a lot of pros can't make.
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But the completion percentage...

 

[Bob Magaw]

what impressed me about cutler is he has an extremely live arm... he can make all the throws & stick them in tight spots...

in one sequence that looked like it was taken from combine or pro day workout passing drills, he rolled to his left and fired the ball to a guy running an out to the left sideline... the ball really jumped out of his hand even though he has a deceptively effortless & compact motion... it really got to the WR in a hurry...

the velocity of his pass was just at a different level from the other top prospects.

i like cutler a lot, & it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he emerges in a few years as the best QB from this class.

that said, i love the situation leinart is going to & would take him first in dynasty leagues...

mayock (who was one of only nation pundits i saw call whitner pick day before draft) is somewhat contrarian in liking cutler #1... he also had maroney #2 after bush early on, ahead of white & williams...

 

[Ted the Caver]

that said, i love the situation leinart is going to & would take him first in dynasty leagues...

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I'd love to get Leinart in my dynasty leagues. He's got two of the best WRs in the league, both young, and offensive minded Dennis Green as his coach

 

[Spike]

that said, i love the situation leinart is going to & would take him first in dynasty leagues...

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I'd love to get Leinart in my dynasty leagues. He's got two of the best WRs in the league, both young, and offensive minded Dennis Green as his coach
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[Pick]

Plummer still the man.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Plummer still the man.

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For sure, Pick. I think that's a great situation. He was on TV last night and sayign exactly the right things. Said in so many words that people are crazy if they think a rookie can come in there and learn the offense fast enough to outperform him. But also said he was excited to have a "kid" like Cutler around in that it helped him to teach the guy. Said you learn things when you teach and I've seen that happen with myself.Seems like a great situation.

J

 

[redman]

Plummer still the man.

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For sure, Pick. I think that's a great situation. He was on TV last night and sayign exactly the right things. Said in so many words that people are crazy if they think a rookie can come in there and learn the offense fast enough to outperform him. But also said he was excited to have a "kid" like Cutler around in that it helped him to teach the guy. Said you learn things when you teach and I've seen that happen with myself.Seems like a great situation.

J

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Yeah, well Plummer's no Brett Favre.