Andy Dufresne
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Gotcha. there are a few high potential guys I like as well that have great value in the 3rd. Randle, Givens...my two favorites are Tommy Streeter and Marquis Maze. Or Hester 2.0 in Travis Benjamin. Of all the late round guys I think Tommy Streeter has the best chance to be relevant.Oh it definitely is no matter what happens in the draft. They cannot count on getting someone from this draft that is going to be a sure thing....they cant get Blackmon. And like I said they have two third rounders, and right now in this mock, there are probably five or six wrs that are all very similar in potential.I would assume with this that WR in free agency would be a massive priority. Paging Reggie Wayne.....Bears need capable linemen, at any position. Garza is getting old and Chris Williams is coming off an injury, is in the last yr of his contract, and should really be given another shot to play LT. Spencer is the future center I would assume.18. Chicago Bears - RBM - Kevin Zeitler, G - WisconsinChicago needs Tackles, not guards. Chicago could also use a real live NFL WR. I agree that Randle was a good fit here. I don't disagree as much here as I do the other two selections
Why? Because Backus and Raiolo played with Eric Hipple, thats why.Because in the 1st couple rounds I don't want to get caught up drafting potential needs for Detroit. Their OL wasn't that bad at all this year.Drafting a guy that could line up anywhere can't coexist with Pettigrew? Why not?Why would you take a TE with Pettigrew already rostered? Seems to me anyshwere on your OL would be the logical target.2.23 - The Lions select, Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
Detroit is looking for impact players early. Wanted Fleener because of his size but Charles has maybe more athletic ability to become a bigger threat. Wes Bunting has Charles as his #1 TE and I've read more than one comparison to Aaron Hernandez when researching Charles. The offense is already potent and now can add another guy to create mismatches on the field.
Yes Detroit has needs at OL, OLB, ILB, but there are players who can be taken for depth at those positions later. The LB's all looked very similar to me at this point. As did the OT's.
You know better than I do. ThanksBears need capable linemen, at any position. Garza is getting old and Chris Williams is coming off an injury, is in the last yr of his contract, and should really be given another shot to play LT. Spencer is the future center I would assume.18. Chicago Bears - RBM - Kevin Zeitler, G - WisconsinChicago needs Tackles, not guards. Chicago could also use a real live NFL WR. I agree that Randle was a good fit here. I don't disagree as much here as I do the other two selections
Name an available OT or C at that pick who was worthy of a 2nd round choice.Why? Because Backus and Raiolo played with Eric Hipple, thats why.Because in the 1st couple rounds I don't want to get caught up drafting potential needs for Detroit. Their OL wasn't that bad at all this year.Drafting a guy that could line up anywhere can't coexist with Pettigrew? Why not?Why would you take a TE with Pettigrew already rostered? Seems to me anyshwere on your OL would be the logical target.2.23 - The Lions select, Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
Detroit is looking for impact players early. Wanted Fleener because of his size but Charles has maybe more athletic ability to become a bigger threat. Wes Bunting has Charles as his #1 TE and I've read more than one comparison to Aaron Hernandez when researching Charles. The offense is already potent and now can add another guy to create mismatches on the field.
Yes Detroit has needs at OL, OLB, ILB, but there are players who can be taken for depth at those positions later. The LB's all looked very similar to me at this point. As did the OT's.![]()
I've read the Green Bay interviewed Mike Martin during Senior Bowl week.Kendall Reyes, DT, UConn
While a DT in college, Reyes has protoypical size for a DE in a 3-4 Defense, and makes a huge upgrade to play along with Picket and Raji. Commentary from the Senior Bowl -
2012 SENIOR BOWL TUESDAY: With Penn State's Devon Still - NFLDraftScout.com's top-rated senior defensive tackle - out of the Senior Bowl due to a sprained toe scouts were curious to see which of the remaining interior defensive linemen would be able to step up their play. Based on Tuesday's North practice, Connecticut's Kendall Reyes and Michigan's Mike Martin are taking full advantage of the opportunity. Physically speaking, the two couldn't be much different. Reyes, who measured in just a shade under 6-4 and 300 pounds lined up at the three-technnique and even was split out as a five-technique defensive end. His burst off the snap and quick hands made him a tough draw for even the most athletic and experienced of the North offensive linemen. Wisconsin's Kevin Zeitler, arguably the nation's top pure guard among seniors, struggled handling Reyes one on one during drills and during the scrimmages throughout practice, as well. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
Combined with the 1st round pick of Courtney Upshaw to fill in the hole at outside linebacker, Reyes will make the pass rush again feared.
My favorite is probably Dwight Jones, but this Quick is intriguing. And then guys like Randle, McNutt, Streeter, and Toon are all viableGotcha. there are a few high potential guys I like as well that have great value in the 3rd. Randle, Givens...my two favorites are Tommy Streeter and Marquis Maze. Or Hester 2.0 in Travis Benjamin. Of all the late round guys I think Tommy Streeter has the best chance to be relevant.Oh it definitely is no matter what happens in the draft. They cannot count on getting someone from this draft that is going to be a sure thing....they cant get Blackmon. And like I said they have two third rounders, and right now in this mock, there are probably five or six wrs that are all very similar in potential.I would assume with this that WR in free agency would be a massive priority. Paging Reggie Wayne.....Bears need capable linemen, at any position. Garza is getting old and Chris Williams is coming off an injury, is in the last yr of his contract, and should really be given another shot to play LT. Spencer is the future center I would assume.18. Chicago Bears - RBM - Kevin Zeitler, G - WisconsinChicago needs Tackles, not guards. Chicago could also use a real live NFL WR. I agree that Randle was a good fit here. I don't disagree as much here as I do the other two selections
I actually think GB will not be able to get either of the players I drafted, so MM might be an option. MM is a true Nose Tackle though - not as flexible as Reyes who can play the whole line.I've read the Green Bay interviewed Mike Martin during Senior Bowl week.Kendall Reyes, DT, UConn
While a DT in college, Reyes has protoypical size for a DE in a 3-4 Defense, and makes a huge upgrade to play along with Picket and Raji. Commentary from the Senior Bowl -
2012 SENIOR BOWL TUESDAY: With Penn State's Devon Still - NFLDraftScout.com's top-rated senior defensive tackle - out of the Senior Bowl due to a sprained toe scouts were curious to see which of the remaining interior defensive linemen would be able to step up their play. Based on Tuesday's North practice, Connecticut's Kendall Reyes and Michigan's Mike Martin are taking full advantage of the opportunity. Physically speaking, the two couldn't be much different. Reyes, who measured in just a shade under 6-4 and 300 pounds lined up at the three-technnique and even was split out as a five-technique defensive end. His burst off the snap and quick hands made him a tough draw for even the most athletic and experienced of the North offensive linemen. Wisconsin's Kevin Zeitler, arguably the nation's top pure guard among seniors, struggled handling Reyes one on one during drills and during the scrimmages throughout practice, as well. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
Combined with the 1st round pick of Courtney Upshaw to fill in the hole at outside linebacker, Reyes will make the pass rush again feared.
Ah, so you want the loudmouth to put his money where his mouth is5Rings, You seem to be up on each team's needs and have had a lot to say about some of these picks. How about going through the list and grading each team's draft? And maybe even posting a mock of your own to compare?![]()
I've got a positional list I've been running but not an overall.I'm just following along but anybody have a list of BPA? Weeden, Adcock, R. Lewis, Stephen Hill, Judie make the list?
OT Nate PotterC Michael BrewsterName an available OT or C at that pick who was worthy of a 2nd round choice.Why? Because Backus and Raiolo played with Eric Hipple, thats why.Because in the 1st couple rounds I don't want to get caught up drafting potential needs for Detroit. Their OL wasn't that bad at all this year.Drafting a guy that could line up anywhere can't coexist with Pettigrew? Why not?Why would you take a TE with Pettigrew already rostered? Seems to me anyshwere on your OL would be the logical target.2.23 - The Lions select, Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
Detroit is looking for impact players early. Wanted Fleener because of his size but Charles has maybe more athletic ability to become a bigger threat. Wes Bunting has Charles as his #1 TE and I've read more than one comparison to Aaron Hernandez when researching Charles. The offense is already potent and now can add another guy to create mismatches on the field.
Yes Detroit has needs at OL, OLB, ILB, but there are players who can be taken for depth at those positions later. The LB's all looked very similar to me at this point. As did the OT's.![]()
What NFL teams reach for "needs" in the draft? I read up on Potter and he's not unquestionably better than a guy who could be had in the 3rd. And Brewster doesn't grade out to 2nd round either.OT Nate PotterC Michael BrewsterName an available OT or C at that pick who was worthy of a 2nd round choice.Why? Because Backus and Raiolo played with Eric Hipple, thats why.Because in the 1st couple rounds I don't want to get caught up drafting potential needs for Detroit. Their OL wasn't that bad at all this year.Drafting a guy that could line up anywhere can't coexist with Pettigrew? Why not?Why would you take a TE with Pettigrew already rostered? Seems to me anyshwere on your OL would be the logical target.2.23 - The Lions select, Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
Detroit is looking for impact players early. Wanted Fleener because of his size but Charles has maybe more athletic ability to become a bigger threat. Wes Bunting has Charles as his #1 TE and I've read more than one comparison to Aaron Hernandez when researching Charles. The offense is already potent and now can add another guy to create mismatches on the field.
Yes Detroit has needs at OL, OLB, ILB, but there are players who can be taken for depth at those positions later. The LB's all looked very similar to me at this point. As did the OT's.![]()
JMO, of course. I'd sure want to keep my franchise signal caller upright instead of taking a TE2.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Ravens play a 3-4 scheme? And when I look at the size of all their other LB's I have to believe this kid has a lot of "filling out" to do.Lavonte David, LB/SS
Ravens Defense adds another playmaker that should have time to grow into a starter...most likely in the secondary at SS
The former junior college transfer is among the most instinctive players in the 2012 draft class, regardless of position. David seems to know where the ball is going on every play and the quickest way to get there. He is a tackling machine, who is both sound in his technique and reckless in how he throws his body around. David plays the game at full speed and takes on all comers no mater the size. With cornerback-like hips, he has great ability in coverage and excellent closing speed when called upon to blitz. David is explosive, with a high motor and a great mind for the game. So why isn’t he projected as a first-round pick? The Cornhusker is just 6’0 ½” and 225 pounds, which will take him off the draft boards of over half the teams in the NFL, including every club that plays a 3-4 scheme.
He mentions that David will most likely end up at SCorrect me if I'm wrong but don't the Ravens play a 3-4 scheme? And when I look at the size of all their other LB's I have to believe this kid has a lot of "filling out" to do.Lavonte David, LB/SS
Ravens Defense adds another playmaker that should have time to grow into a starter...most likely in the secondary at SS
The former junior college transfer is among the most instinctive players in the 2012 draft class, regardless of position. David seems to know where the ball is going on every play and the quickest way to get there. He is a tackling machine, who is both sound in his technique and reckless in how he throws his body around. David plays the game at full speed and takes on all comers no mater the size. With cornerback-like hips, he has great ability in coverage and excellent closing speed when called upon to blitz. David is explosive, with a high motor and a great mind for the game. So why isn’t he projected as a first-round pick? The Cornhusker is just 6’0 ½” and 225 pounds, which will take him off the draft boards of over half the teams in the NFL, including every club that plays a 3-4 scheme.
it would seem that NYG would be in need of DB's, correct?Someone make a Giants pick. How did that team lose seven games this year?
Really don't have a great feel for the G-men. If a tackle was in need Mayock has James Brown of Troy in his top 5 Tackles....I'd probably lean to a LB. Sean Spence , UM at OLB or maybe Audie Cole , NC State at MLB.Someone make a Giants pick. How did that team lose seven games this year?

They did take Amukamara last year in the first. Are Ross and Webster that bad? Just asking because I really don't know.it would seem that NYG would be in need of DB's, correct?Someone make a Giants pick. How did that team lose seven games this year?
They took a tackle in round 1. I sent hauser a PM, so maybe he'll check in soon.Really don't have a great feel for the G-men. If a tackle was in need Mayock has James Brown of Troy in his top 5 Tackles....I'd probably lean to a LB. Sean Spence , UM at OLB or maybe Audie Cole , NC State at MLB.Someone make a Giants pick. How did that team lose seven games this year?![]()
Are we going into the 3rd?

Are we going into the 3rd?
I guess I don't mind if we do. Let's say yes and see how far we get.Got it. Are NFL teams considering him a Safety now?He mentions that David will most likely end up at SCorrect me if I'm wrong but don't the Ravens play a 3-4 scheme? And when I look at the size of all their other LB's I have to believe this kid has a lot of "filling out" to do.Lavonte David, LB/SS
Ravens Defense adds another playmaker that should have time to grow into a starter...most likely in the secondary at SS
The former junior college transfer is among the most instinctive players in the 2012 draft class, regardless of position. David seems to know where the ball is going on every play and the quickest way to get there. He is a tackling machine, who is both sound in his technique and reckless in how he throws his body around. David plays the game at full speed and takes on all comers no mater the size. With cornerback-like hips, he has great ability in coverage and excellent closing speed when called upon to blitz. David is explosive, with a high motor and a great mind for the game. So why isn’t he projected as a first-round pick? The Cornhusker is just 6’0 ½” and 225 pounds, which will take him off the draft boards of over half the teams in the NFL, including every club that plays a 3-4 scheme.
I'm game. Don't have a 3rd but I'm game.Are we going into the 3rd?I guess I don't mind if we do. Let's say yes and see how far we get.
Whoops, when I sent my list he was my #1 for StL, some how overlooked his name.Got it. Are NFL teams considering him a Safety now?He mentions that David will most likely end up at SCorrect me if I'm wrong but don't the Ravens play a 3-4 scheme? And when I look at the size of all their other LB's I have to believe this kid has a lot of "filling out" to do.Lavonte David, LB/SS
Ravens Defense adds another playmaker that should have time to grow into a starter...most likely in the secondary at SS
The former junior college transfer is among the most instinctive players in the 2012 draft class, regardless of position. David seems to know where the ball is going on every play and the quickest way to get there. He is a tackling machine, who is both sound in his technique and reckless in how he throws his body around. David plays the game at full speed and takes on all comers no mater the size. With cornerback-like hips, he has great ability in coverage and excellent closing speed when called upon to blitz. David is explosive, with a high motor and a great mind for the game. So why isn’t he projected as a first-round pick? The Cornhusker is just 6’0 ½” and 225 pounds, which will take him off the draft boards of over half the teams in the NFL, including every club that plays a 3-4 scheme.
Arizona Cardinals BigSteelThrill Jonathan Martin, OT Stanford
Atlanta Falcons Andy Dufresne Coby Fleener, TE Stanford
Baltimore Ravens Ravenlunatic Lamar Miller, RB Miami Baltimore Ravens Ravenlunatic Lavonte David, LB Nebraska
Buffalo Bills psufans2 Quinton Coples DE UNC Buffalo Bills psufans2 Dwayne Allen, TE CLEMSON
Carolina Panthers eric rymer Dre Kirkpatrick, CB Alabama Carolina Panthers eric rymer Brandon Thompson, DT Clemson
Chicago Bears RBM Devon Still, DT PENN ST Chicago Bears RBM Kevin Zeitler, G Wisconsin
Cincinnati Bengals yellowdog Peter Konz, C/G Wisconsin Cincinnati Bengals yellowdog Janoris Jenkins, CB North Alabama Cincinnati Bengals yellowdog Doug Martin, RB Boise St
Cleveland Browns rizzler Morris Claiborne, CB LSU Cleveland Browns rizzler Mohamed Sanu, WR Rutgers Cleveland Browns rizzler Whitney Mercilus, DE Illinois
Dallas Cowboys CompetitiveE Alfonzo Denard, CB Nebraska Dallas Cowboys CompetitiveE Kelechi Osemele, OG/OT Iowa St
Denver Broncos ExaltedOne Jerel Worthy, DT Mich St Denver Broncos ExaltedOne Chase Minnefield, CB Virginia
Detroit Lions scrumptrules Mark Barron, SS Alabama Detroit Lions scrumptrules Orson Charles, TE Georgia
Green Bay Packers smackdaddies Courtney Upshaw, LB Alabama Green Bay Packers smackdaddies Kendall Reyes, DT UConn
Houston Texans coolnerd Alshon Jeffery, WR South Carolina Houston Texans coolnerd Alameda Ta'amu, DT Washington
Indianapolis Colts higgins Andrew Luck, QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts higgins Harrison Smith, S Notre Dame
Jacksonville Jaguars Grimace59 Kendall Wright, WR Baylor Jacksonville Jaguars Grimace59 Ryan Tannehill, QB Texas A&M
Kansas City Chiefs Stinkin Ref Reily Reiff, OT Iowa Kansas City Chiefs Stinkin Ref Chris Polk, RB Washington
Miami Dolphins Kirby David DeCastro, OG Stanford Miami Dolphins Kirby Andre Branch, DE Clemson
Minnesota Vikings Andy D Matt Kalil, OT USC Minnesota Vikings Andy D Stephon Gilmore, CB South Carolina
New England Patiots spike Fletcher Cox, DE/DT Mississippi St New England Patriots spike Dont'a Hightower, LB Alabama New England Patriots spike Brandon Boykin, CB Georgia New England Patriots spike TBA
New Orleans Saints scrumptrules Brandon Washington, G Miami
New York Giants hauser42 Mike Adams,OT Ohio State New York Giants hauser42 Bernard Pierce,RB Temple
New York Jets 8ebok24 Michael Floyd, WR Notre Dame New York Jets 8ebok24 David Wilson, RB Va Tech
Philadelphia Eagles CentralPA Vontaze Burfict, ILB Arizona State Philadelphia Eagles CentralPA Brock Osweiler, QB Arizona State Philadelphia Eagles CentralPA Vinny Curry, DE Marshall
Pittsburgh Steelers The Hank Michael Brockers, DT/NT LSU Pittsburgh Steelers The Hank Amini Silatolu, OG Midwestern St
San Diego Chargers jacobo_moses Melvin Ingram, OLB South Carolina San Diego Chargers jacobo_moses Zach Brown, OLB North Carolina
San Francisco 49ers 5Rings Nick Perry, OLB/DE USC San Francisco 49ers 5Rings Reuben Randle, WR LSU
Seattle Seahawks Duckboy Luke Kuechly, ILB Boston College Seattle Seahawks Duckboy Jared Crick, DE/DT Nebraska
St Louis Rams r0llin_game Justin Blackmon, QR Oklahoma St St Louis Rams r0llin_game Cordy Glenn, OG Georgia
Tampa Bay Buccaneers eakfootball Trent Richardson, RB Alabama Tampa Bay Buccaneers eakfootball Trumaine Johnson, CB Montana
Tennessee Titans FUBAR Dontari Poe, DT Memphis Tennessee Titans FUBAR Ben Jones, C Georgia
Washington Redskins rifkin Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor Washington Redskins rifkin Zebrie Sanders, OT Florida State
I didn't get one.If we can get a 3rd round going.. I sent a pm to Andy for my top 3 picks for the Rams.
Doubt the Giants would reach for a RB in this round. It is a need position but Reese will definitely go BPA here. RB's are so devalued these days adn the talent in this draft seems week. They will lose Tolefson to FA so I say they go DT/DE. It's their MO for the past several drafts. Other area of dire need is MILB. Rethinking the mock I'd think they'd pass on Adams in the first and grab whoever drops: Hightower, Keuchley, Burfict and then address OL/TE in the 2nd in what is a deeper talent pool.
All the ILBs suck this year.That's why I think they'll go LB in the first. I'm just getting up to speed on the draft and didn't understand how week the position is this year.Doubt the Giants would reach for a RB in this round. It is a need position but Reese will definitely go BPA here. RB's are so devalued these days adn the talent in this draft seems week. They will lose Tolefson to FA so I say they go DT/DE. It's their MO for the past several drafts. Other area of dire need is MILB. Rethinking the mock I'd think they'd pass on Adams in the first and grab whoever drops: Hightower, Keuchley, Burfict and then address OL/TE in the 2nd in what is a deeper talent pool.All the ILBs suck this year.
DE is a strong possibility with Tolefson a FA and It would be a surprise if Osi doesn't make demands for a huge contract again. Osi's price might force the Giants to trade him. Kiwi could be moved back to DE, but it seems that DE is stronger than LB in this draft.Doubt the Giants would reach for a RB in this round. It is a need position but Reese will definitely go BPA here. RB's are so devalued these days adn the talent in this draft seems week. They will lose Tolefson to FA so I say they go DT/DE. It's their MO for the past several drafts. Other area of dire need is MILB. Rethinking the mock I'd think they'd pass on Adams in the first and grab whoever drops: Hightower, Keuchley, Burfict and then address OL/TE in the 2nd in what is a deeper talent pool.