SHARKS NEEDED FOR SCORING ISSUE (1 Viewer)

[Chubbs]

This scoring issue will change the outcome of a game in our league, please help.

The New England Patriots had the following play: (Taken from nfl.com full play by play)

4-5-CHI37 (1:55) B.Maynard punts 24 yards to NE 39, Center-P.Mannelly, downed by CHI. punt deflected

Now the punt traveld 24 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Is this a "Blocked Punt" for which our leage awards 2 points for?

NFL Official Rules for Kicks from Scrimmage: http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/kicksfromscrimmage

PLEASE POST IF AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH MARC LEVIN'S COMMENTS. Need to present these responses to a new commishioner

 

[Marc Levin]

Now the punt traveld 24 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Is this a "Blocked Punt" for which our leage awards 2 points for?

Nope.Blocked punt is if the ball is blocked behind the LOS.

 

[Canadian Law]

Yep.

Even if the Punt goes 1 yard, it is not officially a "blocked punt".

It upsets me every time announcers mention that Chris Gardocki has never had a punt blocked, as if it is such an amazing accomplishent. I have personally witnessed tipped punts of his that have gone for fewer than 10 yards.

Technically they are right, but it is a meaninless stat IMO.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Not a blocked punt.

 

[Bri]

I agree with the above but can see how people would think the other way

 

[Marc Levin]

I agree with the above but can see how people would think the other way

Totally - a blocked FG that makes it through the uprights is not a blocked FG, but a blocked FG that goes past the LOS but not through is considered a blocked FG.That said, the difference is that a blocked FG that passes the LOS but doesn't go through did not do what it was supposed to do while a deflected punt that passes the LOS has done what it is supposed to do - turn the ball over to the opponent. The blocked FG, IIRC, means the ball is spotted at the point of the kick and turned over to the other team unless one of the other tean picks up the ball and runs with it.IIRC, a blocked punt behind the LOS can be advanced by the offense - and can be picked up by the defense and run in for a TD the other way, A blcoked punt that goes past the LOS can only be recovered by the defense (not advanced) and can only be "downed" by the offense.Some rule about the "first to touch" thing and the block = first touch by the defense.

 

[VaCatFan]

No blocked punt as the ball traveled forward past the line of scrimmage.

 

[Da Guru]

No..no punt block.

 

[David Yudkin]

A punt does not qualify as having been “blocked” unless it remains on the punting team's side of the line of scrimmage. Any field goal attempt that is contacted by the defense and fails to score is considered to have been “blocked.”

LINK

 

[billyjoe]

I agree with the above but can see how people would think the other way

Totally - a blocked FG that makes it through the uprights is not a blocked FG, but a blocked FG that goes past the LOS but not through is considered a blocked FG.That said, the difference is that a blocked FG that passes the LOS but doesn't go through did not do what it was supposed to do while a deflected punt that passes the LOS has done what it is supposed to do - turn the ball over to the opponent. The blocked FG, IIRC, means the ball is spotted at the point of the kick and turned over to the other team unless one of the other tean picks up the ball and runs with it.IIRC, a blocked punt behind the LOS can be advanced by the offense - and can be picked up by the defense and run in for a TD the other way, A blcoked punt that goes past the LOS can only be recovered by the defense (not advanced) and can only be "downed" by the offense.Some rule about the "first to touch" thing and the block = first touch by the defense.

This is how Yahoo defines it. Not sure if that's how Stats Inc see's it.Blocked kicks are counted only in instances where a kick (FG, PAT, or punt) is touched by the defense and remains behind the original line of scrimmage.If a FG or PAT is touched by the defense, but goes beyond the line of scrimmage, it is counted as a missed FG or PAT only.Similarly, if a punt is touched by the defense, but goes beyond the line of scrimmage, the punter is credited with a punt of that yardage.

 

[redman]

I agree with the above but can see how people would think the other way

Totally - a blocked FG that makes it through the uprights is not a blocked FG, but a blocked FG that goes past the LOS but not through is considered a blocked FG.That said, the difference is that a blocked FG that passes the LOS but doesn't go through did not do what it was supposed to do while a deflected punt that passes the LOS has done what it is supposed to do - turn the ball over to the opponent. The blocked FG, IIRC, means the ball is spotted at the point of the kick and turned over to the other team unless one of the other tean picks up the ball and runs with it.IIRC, a blocked punt behind the LOS can be advanced by the offense - and can be picked up by the defense and run in for a TD the other way, A blcoked punt that goes past the LOS can only be recovered by the defense (not advanced) and can only be "downed" by the offense.Some rule about the "first to touch" thing and the block = first touch by the defense.

The critical difference here for FF scoring purposes is that FG distances are measured from the spot of the kick, whereas punting distances are measured from the LOS. That's why the distinction about punts travelling past the LOS versus not is so critical here.

 

[Marc Levin]

I agree with the above but can see how people would think the other way

Totally - a blocked FG that makes it through the uprights is not a blocked FG, but a blocked FG that goes past the LOS but not through is considered a blocked FG.That said, the difference is that a blocked FG that passes the LOS but doesn't go through did not do what it was supposed to do while a deflected punt that passes the LOS has done what it is supposed to do - turn the ball over to the opponent. The blocked FG, IIRC, means the ball is spotted at the point of the kick and turned over to the other team unless one of the other tean picks up the ball and runs with it.IIRC, a blocked punt behind the LOS can be advanced by the offense - and can be picked up by the defense and run in for a TD the other way, A blcoked punt that goes past the LOS can only be recovered by the defense (not advanced) and can only be "downed" by the offense.Some rule about the "first to touch" thing and the block = first touch by the defense.

This is how Yahoo defines it. Not sure if that's how Stats Inc see's it.

See above - that is EXACTLY how the NFL rules see it.

 

[Marc Levin]

billyjoe - Yudkin's post:

A punt does not qualify as having been “blocked” unless it remains on the punting team's side of the line of scrimmage. Any field goal attempt that is contacted by the defense and fails to score is considered to have been “blocked.”

LINK

 

[Chubbs]

Thank You Guys, Everbody sees this as NOT a blocked punt.

Time to go back and show the team (and his twin brother) they are dead wrong.