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unckeyherb

unckeyherb

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Are people starting to trade this turd or what. He killed me this week and has been getting worse and worse every week.

What are other owners doing? Benching, trading, holding tight?

 
Max Power said:
most are holding tight...You wont get much value for him right now
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what would you consider good value for him at this point? a decent RB? top ten WR? top 20 WR? I just don't know what to think. I figured his name would carry some extra weight, possibly.
 
i'm looking to trade him for keeper purposes, but i probably won't.

i can't stand him as a football player, but i do still think he has plenty of value for fantasy. given the landscape of the fantasy RB situations out there, it's getting rare for a RB to 1- be healthy, 2-get almost every carry, and 3-get every single goal-line carry on a generally good team. alexander should be a top 5-10 RB this year by default.

facing the saints this weekend should produce far different results than the steelers.

 
unckeyherb said:
Max Power said:
most are holding tight...You wont get much value for him right now
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what would you consider good value for him at this point? a decent RB? top ten WR? top 20 WR? I just don't know what to think. I figured his name would carry some extra weight, possibly.
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I dont own him in any leagues, but I was trying to get him in one. I offered Thomas Jones and Brandon Marshall for him... but was laughed at. Personally I thought that was a very decent offer, and thats why I came to the conclusion that his owners are over value him. I would think you can get an underperforming RB2 and a solid WR2 for him at this point.Id target owners with Benson, Maroney, T.Jones, K.Jones, J.Lewis, and such along with a solid top 20 wr at this point. IMO thats about all he is currently worth.
 
Max Power said:
most are holding tight...You wont get much value for him right now
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That's what I'm doing... SA has looked not so good to downright old this year. BUT, I just can't any kind of good return by trading him, so I figure I might as well hold & hope for a miracle--like him deciding he wants to run more decisively...yeah, right...
 
Bannedman said:
unckeyherb said:
Max Power said:
most are holding tight...You wont get much value for him right now
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what would you consider good value for him at this point? a decent RB? top ten WR? top 20 WR? I just don't know what to think. I figured his name would carry some extra weight, possibly.
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Who anyone take Gates for him? Is a Gates offer too much, actually? Not enough? Curious as my RB corps are depleted.
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Not sure I'd give up Gates in a TE required league for him. Actually, as I think about it, fairly certain I wouldn't.
 
kupcho1 said:
Bannedman said:
unckeyherb said:
Max Power said:
most are holding tight...You wont get much value for him right now
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what would you consider good value for him at this point? a decent RB? top ten WR? top 20 WR? I just don't know what to think. I figured his name would carry some extra weight, possibly.
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Who anyone take Gates for him? Is a Gates offer too much, actually? Not enough? Curious as my RB corps are depleted.
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Not sure I'd give up Gates in a TE required league for him. Actually, as I think about it, fairly certain I wouldn't.
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Yeah? I thought about it, didnt put in an offer. I am trying to get LJ (with Rhodes, throw in) and Westy (with Henry or Sjax) for him. So who knows. I would never trade Gates if my RBs werent this bad with Sjax Henry Pittman :hey:
 
I might be alone here, but I think Alexander turns it around. Losing Strong will hurt. His value is below market right now, and he will soon have one of those games that remind you why you drafted him early.

 
Shopped him recently, didn't get much interest (he's got a pretty high cap number in our league so that doesn't help). Benched him this past week in favor of Sammy Morris. I'll probably have him in the line-up Sunday night vs. NO. I expect to be holding on to him for the rest of the year and hoping for some 20-80-1 type of games.

 
I've been offered Carson Palmer and Wes Welker for Alexander and his backup.

The only reason I'm not JUMPING on this trade is because I'm afraid of being burned by Alexander having a breakout few games ahead.

Thoughts?

 
weezer said:
I've been offered Carson Palmer and Wes Welker for Alexander and his backup.The only reason I'm not JUMPING on this trade is because I'm afraid of being burned by Alexander having a breakout few games ahead.Thoughts?
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Depends on who your QB currently is and how strong you are left after trading away a RB and not getting one in return.
 
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I'd still have Westbrook, A. Peterson and S. Morris as RBs. My current Quarterbacks are McNair and Cutler.

 
I think there should be a good chance to deal SA after this weekend. I just traded Sjax for him and that's what I plan on doing.

 
Pray for a big game this week against NO and then bail. A TD or 2 this weekend will get people remembering why he was valuable in the first place.

 
Selling now would be selling low, IMO. His next 5 upcoming opponents : NO (17th against the run), STL (28th), bye, CLE (30th), SF (23rd). I'd wait til the bye week to deal him if you must. Prospective trade partners should lick their chops at SA's first two opponents after the bye.

 
Do you guys remember the big games SA used to have in prime time? Here's to old times!!!

I have owned him for a couple years now and he looks old and slow. Losing Strong is going to hurt and

I seriously doubt I'll be able to deal him.

 
supermark_28 said:
Do you guys remember the big games SA used to have in prime time? Here's to old times!!! I have owned him for a couple years now and he looks old and slow. Losing Strong is going to hurt andI seriously doubt I'll be able to deal him.
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The good news is that the Seahawks just signed Fred McCrary to block for SA so at least he'll have a competent lead blocker again. The bad news is that for some reason (no Hutchinson?) they still can't seem to get any running game going. Walter Jones has to be the most overrated lineman.
 
I don't think Walter Jones is overrated, he may be getting a little long in the tooth. The O-Line has changed quite a bit from that group that was just mauling everyone a couple years ago. They are now a very good pass blocking group with below average run blocking. Unfortunately the receivers they now have cannot beat coverage and no teams have to play zone on us because man-2-man is good enough.

Back to Alexander, I do like the upcoming schedule a lot more than than one we just went through so I would hold at least 2 weeks and hope for the best. At the risk of looking like an idiot I will say the 4 TD days for Alexander are over. He is now a 70~120 0~2 TD back cased on opponent.

 
seatownfavorite said:
I don't think Walter Jones is overrated, he may be getting a little long in the tooth. The O-Line has changed quite a bit from that group that was just mauling everyone a couple years ago. They are now a very good pass blocking group with below average run blocking. Unfortunately the receivers they now have cannot beat coverage and no teams have to play zone on us because man-2-man is good enough. Back to Alexander, I do like the upcoming schedule a lot more than than one we just went through so I would hold at least 2 weeks and hope for the best. At the risk of looking like an idiot I will say the 4 TD days for Alexander are over. He is now a 70~120 0~2 TD back cased on opponent.
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:ph34r:
 
I just traded SA/Morris in a 8 (total) player deal that got me Addai/Keith in return (he also owns Henry, so I parted w/ Selvin Young as well). Other owner was gonna be w/out a starting RB this week due to byes. I am 1-4, & can't afford a loss, but figured my season is almost completely shot, so I might as well take the chance that I can go on a hot streak after this week (I also play the worst team in the league, on paper anyway, even though he's 2-3)... Yeah, I know, no one cares...

 
Sell if the value is right but his schedule is pretty darn solid coming up and like Larry Johnson could be a player who carries you going forward. Tougher call in a dynasty ... I'd hold in a redraft and hold in a dynasty unless you were totally loaded and want to increase your future value or out of contention. If out of contention why not wait a few more games and then sell? I'd actually call him a buy low right now.

 
Ariakis said:
Sell if the value is right but his schedule is pretty darn solid coming up and like Larry Johnson could be a player who carries you going forward. Tougher call in a dynasty ... I'd hold in a redraft and hold in a dynasty unless you were totally loaded and want to increase your future value or out of contention. If out of contention why not wait a few more games and then sell? I'd actually call him a buy low right now.
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I see what you're saying, but having watched SA all year, I just don't see him as someone to count on. He looks extremely slow, & the o-line has been unimpressive. My situation probably calls for a hold, but even though this is a redraft league, I just can't sit by & watch SA's mediocrity anymore. I figure what the heck, and take a chance that Palmer & Addai can get me on a hot streak starting week 7. If I can find a way to sneak out a win this week, I figure I'm still in it, since the best record in my 4 team division after week 5 is 3-2...
 
I just got Alexander, D. Carr, and T. Heap for Hines Ward, E. Manning, and C. Cooley. I felt I bought low and don't think there is a big difference between E. Manning and Carr. Alexander will have a strong second half.

 
I just traded Alexander & Eli Manning for Torry Holt & Bulger last week. I found a team that had no RBs and only Harrington at QB because of byes, and he took the trade immediately. If you can find a situation like that, you could probably get good value for him, otherwise I'd wait because he has an easier stretch of the schedule coming up. Just make sure you DO move him, because wks 15 & 16 have the Panthers & Ravens coming, and I don't think this year's model gets it done in those games.

 
Boltz Boy said:
I just traded Alexander & Eli Manning for Torry Holt & Bulger last week. I found a team that had no RBs and only Harrington at QB because of byes, and he took the trade immediately. If you can find a situation like that, you could probably get good value for him, otherwise I'd wait because he has an easier stretch of the schedule coming up. Just make sure you DO move him, because wks 15 & 16 have the Panthers & Ravens coming, and I don't think this year's model gets it done in those games.
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BigSteelThrill said:
Boltz Boy said:
I just traded Alexander & Eli Manning for Torry Holt & Bulger last week. I found a team that had no RBs and only Harrington at QB because of byes, and he took the trade immediately. If you can find a situation like that, you could probably get good value for him, otherwise I'd wait because he has an easier stretch of the schedule coming up. Just make sure you DO move him, because wks 15 & 16 have the Panthers & Ravens coming, and I don't think this year's model gets it done in those games.
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Someone in my league just traded SJax and Crayton for Alexander and Vernon Davis...
 
Wow, some of these trades are really selling Alexander low. Seriously, SA is a good BUY right now. Look at his upcoming schedule: home against NO and STL, a bye week to rest up, then at CLE and home against SF. Those are 4 games in a row of favorable matchups, three of which are at home.

Besides, despite his declining skills, he is getting the carries, and is the man at the goal line. A bad (OK, horrendous) game at Pittsburgh aside, he has been pretty solid:

Week 1 TB : 105 rush, 1 TD; 2 for 12 rec ~17 pts

Week 2 @ARI : 70 rush, 1 TD; 2 for 5 rec ~13 pts

Week 3 CIN : 100 rush; 2 for 8 rec ~10 pts

Week 4 @ SF : 78 rush, 1 for 5 rec ~ 7 pts

Week 5 @ PIT : 25 rush, 3 for 7 rec ~ 2 pts

There is a definite downward trend in this sampling, but the first three games were all solid RB1-caliber games. The last two were on the road, one against a division rival (always a tough matchup), the other against a top 5 rush defense. So I think the decline in production has less to do with Alexander and more to do with the opponents he faced. As an SA owner, I ride him at least until the bye week (depending on how well he does), and try to sell him then. If I don't own SA, I try to buy NOW, after his worst performance of the year, and start him with confidence for the next two weeks at a minimum. All this assuming redraft.

 
Ariakis said:
Sell if the value is right but his schedule is pretty darn solid coming up and like Larry Johnson could be a player who carries you going forward. Tougher call in a dynasty ... I'd hold in a redraft and hold in a dynasty unless you were totally loaded and want to increase your future value or out of contention. If out of contention why not wait a few more games and then sell? I'd actually call him a buy low right now.
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Bingo!
 
I traded SJAX and Kenton Keith for Alexander today. His schedule is great in the upcoming weeks, and I removed dead weight from my roster in Jackson. Besides, I already have Portis and ADP, and can afford the gamble :goodposting:

 
I could get Bush and Shaub for him in a redraft, but not sure I'm going to pull the trigger. I think he'll turn it on with the upcoming schedule

 
Pasquino definitely knows football, but I would have to agree with you. Alexander seems to be running with less explosion and less confidence, and doesn't seem to be able to run through the arm tackles anymore. He still should finish as a top 12 back, but after watching him run this season in several games, age and carries are catching up with him.

Also, IMO, anyone that doesn't have Peterson as a top 3 dynasty RB needs to watch him play a few more times.

 
i've been offered steve smith & j.norwood for alexander & s.moss.

i really dont want to do it as stsmith has issues and norwood has no line and is getting 10 carries. i would consider if it were djax instead of s.moss, but i dont think it will be. even then, alexander has upside right now. not a good sell.

 
I own Romo and Peyton manning in a redraft league and offered Romo for SA straight up because this guy's QB's were Delhomme and Griese. The other owner laughed at me and said he wanted Romo and either Kevin Jones or Romo and Ahman Green because he was not giving up his first round pick for a QB I took in the 10th round.

I think people place a much higher value on guys like Alexander to save face for picking them so high in the draft.

 
Jedimaster21 said:
Pasquino definitely knows football, but I would have to agree with you. Alexander seems to be running with less explosion and less confidence, and doesn't seem to be able to run through the arm tackles anymore. He still should finish as a top 12 back, but after watching him run this season in several games, age and carries are catching up with him.

Also, IMO, anyone that doesn't have Peterson as a top 3 dynasty RB needs to watch him play a few more times.
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He never did.
 
Boltz Boy said:
I just traded Alexander & Eli Manning for Torry Holt & Bulger last week. I found a team that had no RBs and only Harrington at QB because of byes, and he took the trade immediately. If you can find a situation like that, you could probably get good value for him, otherwise I'd wait because he has an easier stretch of the schedule coming up. Just make sure you DO move him, because wks 15 & 16 have the Panthers & Ravens coming, and I don't think this year's model gets it done in those games.
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that is a horrible trade.
 
I just traded T Holt and a 2008 1st rd pick for SA and a 2008 2nd rd pick. The 1st rd pick will probably be middle of the pack, and the 2nd rd pick should be high. This is in the HyperActive Dynasty League.

 
Definitely hold. Maybe we'll get another of his famous Sunday night performances this week. 4 TDs anyone? It's the Saints... certainly possible :lmao:

 
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