Shaun Hill named 49ers starting QB (1 Viewer)

[Andy Herron]

From Monday Night NFL Countdown on ESPN.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Hill actually had pretty good fantasy production over the last 8 weeks of last year. He was the #8 QB over that stretch by my league's scoring

 

[CrossEyed]

Hill actually had pretty good fantasy production over the last 8 weeks of last year. He was the #8 QB over that stretch by my league's scoring

Yeah, but Martz is gone. I wouldn't expect that this year.

 

[AB in DC]

Hill actually had pretty good fantasy production over the last 8 weeks of last year. He was the #8 QB over that stretch by my league's scoring

Yeah, but Martz is gone. I wouldn't expect that this year.

I thought Martz was demoted before Hill took over. He wanted O'Sullivan, anyway.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I forgot that we are in the Jimmy Raye era in SF. Nevermind, no value here.

 

[Da Guru]

No suprise.

 

[Knobs]

Yudkin has him ranked higher than Favre, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Eli, Bulger...

 

[nordstrom24]

Yudkin has him ranked higher than Favre, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Eli, Bulger...

Assume that some of this could be because of strength of schedule - think it's pretty favorable for San Fran this year....

 

[UnknownCoach]

Hill has fantasy potential but he needs Crabtree to sign already. Offense will definately be more conservative this year but I think that's a better fit for Hill. He's one of those guys I grab when I dont take a QB until the very end of the draft (if I even draft one).

 

[drummer]

Hill actually had pretty good fantasy production over the last 8 weeks of last year. He was the #8 QB over that stretch by my league's scoring

Yeah, but Martz is gone. I wouldn't expect that this year.

I thought Martz was demoted before Hill took over. He wanted O'Sullivan, anyway.

Martz wasn't demoted as such as he had to scale back a little due to Hill, and Hill checked and dumped, which JTO didn't do. I suspect Hill plays about half a season, due to injury or his limitations. He flat out sucked against one of the worst teams in the League last season in the second half of it. He is a stopgap before Smith, who will finally show the Organization that he truly sucks, and it's back to square one. This isn't your Father's 49ers people. It's Jed's father's.

 

[zed2283]

Hill is a solid #2 QB and should give you good value on draft day. There should have never been a "competition" as he is clearly the better option.

 

[Itchy Amos]

Hill actually had pretty good fantasy production over the last 8 weeks of last year. He was the #8 QB over that stretch by my league's scoring

Yeah, but Martz is gone. I wouldn't expect that this year.

I thought Martz was demoted before Hill took over. He wanted O'Sullivan, anyway.

Martz wasn't demoted as such as he had to scale back a little due to Hill, and Hill checked and dumped, which JTO didn't do. I suspect Hill plays about half a season, due to injury or his limitations. He flat out sucked against one of the worst teams in the League last season in the second half of it. He is a stopgap before Smith, who will finally show the Organization that he truly sucks, and it's back to square one.

This isn't your Father's 49ers people. It's Jed's father's.

Admittedly, I have not watched alot of 49ers games in the last couple of years, but (serious question to follow)....I believe he is 7-3 as a starter and in 8 out of those 10 games, he accounted for at least 2 TDs. It seems like he was able to move the offense when given the chance. What is it with him that makes you confident that the staff will turn things over to Smith?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Shaun Hill put up very good numbers last year, but he had arguably the easiest schedule in the league:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3190

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2009/0..._rearviewqb.php

 

[Itchy Amos]

Shaun Hill put up very good numbers last year, but he had arguably the easiest schedule in the league:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=3190

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2009/0..._rearviewqb.php

I dont doubt that his easy schedule last year contributed to his success, but a quick glance at this years schedule shows me that outside of 3 very tough matchups, his schedule looks to be similarly easy this year. He plays 10 games against opponents that were well into the bottom half of the league 6 of those games are against teams that ranked 28th or worse last year. Here his schedule with the respective end of year "fantasy points allowed" ranking:

Ariz - 32

Sea - 31

Minn - 5

Stl - 20

Atl - 19

Hou - 28

Indy - 2

Ten - 4

Chic - 14

GB - 13

Jack - 24

Sea - 31

Ariz - 32

Philly - 9

Det - 30

Stl - 20

IMO he is an ideal QB2 option at his price. I see no reason why he cant crack to top 15 if he can stay in the lineup.

 

[Scruff Mcgruff]

Good sign for Frank Gore owners. Much better than O'Sullivan.

 

[Knobs]

Hill actually had pretty good fantasy production over the last 8 weeks of last year. He was the #8 QB over that stretch by my league's scoring

Yeah, but Martz is gone. I wouldn't expect that this year.

I thought Martz was demoted before Hill took over. He wanted O'Sullivan, anyway.

Martz wasn't demoted as such as he had to scale back a little due to Hill, and Hill checked and dumped, which JTO didn't do. I suspect Hill plays about half a season, due to injury or his limitations. He flat out sucked against one of the worst teams in the League last season in the second half of it. He is a stopgap before Smith, who will finally show the Organization that he truly sucks, and it's back to square one.

This isn't your Father's 49ers people. It's Jed's father's.

Admittedly, I have not watched alot of 49ers games in the last couple of years, but (serious question to follow)....I believe he is 7-3 as a starter and in 8 out of those 10 games, he accounted for at least 2 TDs. It seems like he was able to move the offense when given the chance. What is it with him that makes you confident that the staff will turn things over to Smith?

Because Hill isn't that good. He's had a winning record against the easiest of matchups. I'm not saying he is or isn't better/worse than Smith, but it'll be a lot of flip flopping when one guy struggles.Smith has outplayed Hill by a large margin in camp...and in the preseason game, Smith didn't significantly outperform him, so they're just going to ride with the guy that won some games for them last year.

To the poster above you, yes this was a competition. Alex Smith just couldn't quite get it done.

I think both qb's are lousy, but as a Niners homer I'm hoping Hill leads us to not only a winning record and a playoff berth, but that he looks great along the way.

 

[Itchy Amos]

Smith has outplayed Hill by a large margin in camp...and in the preseason game, Smith didn't significantly outperform him, so they're just going to ride with the guy that won some games for them last year.

I think both qb's are lousy, but as a Niners homer I'm hoping Hill leads us to not only a winning record and a playoff berth, but that he looks great along the way.

Is this what you meant to say?

 

[Knobs]

Smith has outplayed Hill by a large margin in camp...and in the preseason game, Smith didn't significantly outperform him, so they're just going to ride with the guy that won some games for them last year.

I think both qb's are lousy, but as a Niners homer I'm hoping Hill leads us to not only a winning record and a playoff berth, but that he looks great along the way.

Is this what you meant to say?

Yes. But Hill is notoriously lousy in practices.

 

[buster c]

as a Maryland fan, I love Hill. Led them to an Orange Bowl and I always thought he'd be a good pro.

as a Skins fan, I see a lot of Billy Kilmer in him. Ol' Whiskey did nothing but win games. Same with Hill (minus, perhaps, the booze)

 

[Dancing Bear]

Now that this is official, I would like to know why there is NO staff love for Hill.

He was QB 10 last year [18.91 ppg], and there is no reason that I see he does worse than this. Staff projections for him are barely over 15 ppg.

This guy is one of the steals of the draft with his SoS. Write it down!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

He was QB 10 last year [18.91 ppg], and there is no reason that I see he does worse than this. Staff projections for him are barely over 15 ppg.

It's in this thread. Martz is gone, Jimmy Raye is in. That isn't good for a QB.

 

[Resident A]

I started him over Eli in the playoffs last year, He was pretty good. I expected him to be universally ranked as a mid-level QB2 this year. He's a steal in 09' drafts.

 

[drummer]

Hill actually had pretty good fantasy production over the last 8 weeks of last year. He was the #8 QB over that stretch by my league's scoring

Yeah, but Martz is gone. I wouldn't expect that this year.

I thought Martz was demoted before Hill took over. He wanted O'Sullivan, anyway.

Martz wasn't demoted as such as he had to scale back a little due to Hill, and Hill checked and dumped, which JTO didn't do. I suspect Hill plays about half a season, due to injury or his limitations. He flat out sucked against one of the worst teams in the League last season in the second half of it. He is a stopgap before Smith, who will finally show the Organization that he truly sucks, and it's back to square one.

This isn't your Father's 49ers people. It's Jed's father's.

Admittedly, I have not watched alot of 49ers games in the last couple of years, but (serious question to follow)....I believe he is 7-3 as a starter and in 8 out of those 10 games, he accounted for at least 2 TDs. It seems like he was able to move the offense when given the chance. What is it with him that makes you confident that the staff will turn things over to Smith?

Scott McGlouhan is the guy who wanted Smith in the draft. He is now the 49er GM. The 49er have been trying to build around him for years. Dilfer was signed mainly to mentor Smith. Hill hadn't taken a meaningful snap in a game when he was signed. Outside of those two QBs, Rattay was the only real competition Smith had, and Nolan shipped him during Smith's first year. Smith had to take over for Rattay due to an injury, but Rattay wanted the starting job and competed for it. When you look back on the 49er QB situation, you'll see a mess. The only good QB they have had since Young was Garcia. The 49er went into one season with 3 7th round picks for QBs. Nate Davis was drafted in the 5th this year, and he is a long term project with a better arm than Smith or Hill. This team is still about Smith, and one of the reasons in the choice for Hill right now could be because Smith has a thumb injury that will keep out of practice and the Saturday game against the Cowboys. Hill hasn't played a full 16 games as a starter yet. It remains to be seen if he can, and like Chase has said in this thread, he had an easy sched last season.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

He was QB 10 last year [18.91 ppg], and there is no reason that I see he does worse than this. Staff projections for him are barely over 15 ppg.

It's in this thread. Martz is gone, Jimmy Raye is in. That isn't good for a QB.

Elvis Grbac had his two best seasons (1999-2000) with the Chiefs when Jimmy Raye was the offensive coordinator. He was with the Raiders in 2004-2005 when Kerry Collins was averaging 250 passing yards a game for them.

 

[5Rings]

Now that this is official, I would like to know why there is NO staff love for Hill.He was QB 10 last year [18.91 ppg], and there is no reason that I see he does worse than this. Staff projections for him are barely over 15 ppg.This guy is one of the steals of the draft with his SoS. Write it down!

Because they still think Smith will win the starting job? , Dancing BearSeriously, the guy should be a great late round pickup for teams who spent high picks on tier 1 QBs.

 

[simey]

I started him over Eli in the playoffs last year, He was pretty good. I expected him to be universally ranked as a mid-level QB2 this year. He's a steal in 09' drafts.

I got beat in the championship last year by a team who played Shaun Hill as their QB.

 

[zed2283]

Because Hill isn't that good. He's had a winning record against the easiest of matchups. I'm not saying he is or isn't better/worse than Smith, but it'll be a lot of flip flopping when one guy struggles.

Smith has outplayed Hill by a large margin in camp...and in the preseason game, Smith didn't significantly outperform him, so they're just going to ride with the guy that won some games for them last year.

To the poster above you, yes this was a competition. Alex Smith just couldn't quite get it done.

I think both qb's are lousy, but as a Niners homer I'm hoping Hill leads us to not only a winning record and a playoff berth, but that he looks great along the way.

It was a competition in name (and front office desire) only. They may have wanted Smith to take the job, but it wasn't going to happen.

Scott McGlouhan is the guy who wanted Smith in the draft. He is now the 49er GM. The 49er have been trying to build around him for years. Dilfer was signed mainly to mentor Smith. Hill hadn't taken a meaningful snap in a game when he was signed. Outside of those two QBs, Rattay was the only real competition Smith had, and Nolan shipped him during Smith's first year. Smith had to take over for Rattay due to an injury, but Rattay wanted the starting job and competed for it. When you look back on the 49er QB situation, you'll see a mess. The only good QB they have had since Young was Garcia. The 49er went into one season with 3 7th round picks for QBs. Nate Davis was drafted in the 5th this year, and he is a long term project with a better arm than Smith or Hill. This team is still about Smith, and one of the reasons in the choice for Hill right now could be because Smith has a thumb injury that will keep out of practice and the Saturday game against the Cowboys.

Hill hasn't played a full 16 games as a starter yet. It remains to be seen if he can, and like Chase has said in this thread, he had an easy sched last season.

Could be, but isn't. Are there any 49'ers fans here who have watched a game the past two years? Hill has easily outplayed Smith.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Is Hill a better pickup than guys like Pennington, Flacco, or Russell. (looking for the high upside guy)

 

[drummer]

Because Hill isn't that good. He's had a winning record against the easiest of matchups. I'm not saying he is or isn't better/worse than Smith, but it'll be a lot of flip flopping when one guy struggles.

Smith has outplayed Hill by a large margin in camp...and in the preseason game, Smith didn't significantly outperform him, so they're just going to ride with the guy that won some games for them last year.

To the poster above you, yes this was a competition. Alex Smith just couldn't quite get it done.

I think both qb's are lousy, but as a Niners homer I'm hoping Hill leads us to not only a winning record and a playoff berth, but that he looks great along the way.

It was a competition in name (and front office desire) only. They may have wanted Smith to take the job, but it wasn't going to happen.

Scott McGlouhan is the guy who wanted Smith in the draft. He is now the 49er GM. The 49er have been trying to build around him for years. Dilfer was signed mainly to mentor Smith. Hill hadn't taken a meaningful snap in a game when he was signed. Outside of those two QBs, Rattay was the only real competition Smith had, and Nolan shipped him during Smith's first year. Smith had to take over for Rattay due to an injury, but Rattay wanted the starting job and competed for it. When you look back on the 49er QB situation, you'll see a mess. The only good QB they have had since Young was Garcia. The 49er went into one season with 3 7th round picks for QBs. Nate Davis was drafted in the 5th this year, and he is a long term project with a better arm than Smith or Hill. This team is still about Smith, and one of the reasons in the choice for Hill right now could be because Smith has a thumb injury that will keep out of practice and the Saturday game against the Cowboys.

Hill hasn't played a full 16 games as a starter yet. It remains to be seen if he can, and like Chase has said in this thread, he had an easy sched last season.

Could be, but isn't. Are there any 49'ers fans here who have watched a game the past two years? Hill has easily outplayed Smith.

Smith didn't play last season, and was on IR when Hill played in place of an injured Dilfer the year prior.

 

[thecatch]

Smith has outplayed Hill by a large margin in camp...and in the preseason game, Smith didn't significantly outperform him, so they're just going to ride with the guy that won some games for them last year.

I think both qb's are lousy, but as a Niners homer I'm hoping Hill leads us to not only a winning record and a playoff berth, but that he looks great along the way.

Is this what you meant to say?

Yes. But Hill is notoriously lousy in practices.

Smith did not outperform Hill in camp according to at least two of their beat writers. Not sure where you got this.

 

[drummer]

Hill's back is ailing already:

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers...has-ailing.html

A week ago, the 49ers had two quarterbacks on even footing for the starting job. Today both of them are nursing injuries. Recently minted starter Shaun Hill took one pass today in team drills then gave way to back-ups Damon Huard and Nate Davis for the rest of practice. Mike Singletary said Hill strained his lower back while pushing himself in practice Tuesday. Alex Smith already has been ruled out with a sprained thumb suffered while making a tackle in Saturday's preseason win over Oakland. He has not practiced this week and has been ruled out for Saturday's game against the Cowboys.

Jogging off the field after practice, Hill gave a thumb's up signal and said, "I'll be fine." Asked if he'd play Saturday, he said "definitely." Singletary, however, called his situation day to day. "I'm assuming he's going to play, but I don't know that," Singletary said. The third preseason game is generally considered the most important, and the 49ers ended their months-long quarterback competition this week with that in mind. If Hill can't play, either Huard or Davis, a fifth-round draft pick, would start. Singletary said he has not which back-up would play under that scenario.

Hill missed a start at the end of the 2007 season when he suffered three fractures to the transverse processes, which are part of the vertebrae, in his lower back during a win over Tampa Bay. Chris Weinke had to start the final game in Cleveland that season.

The 49ers have attempted fewer passes (45) than any other team this preseason, and Smith and Hill have split the first-team snaps through two games. Hill said he has spoken with Singletary about the need to work on timing with his receivers. Still, Singletary said he wasn't worried about the situation. "We're going to go to Dallas and we're going to play football," he said. "I'm not going to worry about who's not ready to go and who's hurt and all those things. No. We're going to go, and we should execute just fine."

Hill took one pass -- which was nearly intercepted by Manny Lawson -- at the beginning of team drills, then watched the rest of practice. Singletary said he had "no idea" how the injury happened. "It showed up yesterday," he said. "(Hill) pushed himself in practice, got some treatment yesterday. Today it was still there. He probably could have pushed himself (today). I told him, you don't need to do that. Let the other guys get the reps."