Shaun McDonald (1 Viewer)

[tombonneau]

This guy is WR26 in our league and someone just cut him. I know DET is on bye, but is someone gonna be healthy that is injured? Was Furrey hurt?

Outside the Skins game this guy was putting up solid WR2.

Haven't been following Lions much, am I missing something?

Btw, this is a 14-team league with not much on the WW for WR so he would def. be a WR3 at a minimum if the ship holds its course ...

 

[Chaka]

I dropped him in my league this week but only because of bye week issues and he was my WR#4.

He also did not see much action vs. Washington but then again none of the Lions WRs did.

I will probably try to scoop him up again next week.

 

[Birdie048]

Probably jsut a bye week move. Limited roster space and in need of a player to fill the starting line-up.

 

[tombonneau]

Thanks. It seemed like a combo of bye week filler and big turd prior week. But as you point out, the Lions didn't do much vs. Skins. I mean what did they have 80 yds passing?

Thanks for the quick info. I'll grab him now before someone else can.

Gotta love the pool.

 

[BeachBums]

Started Kitna last week vs. the Skins and he did much better than 80 yds passing. 106 yds passing, 2 INTs and 3 yds rushing. Net of ZERO points.

 

[tombonneau]

Started Kitna last week vs. the Skins and he did much better than 80 yds passing. 106 yds passing, 2 INTs and 3 yds rushing. Net of ZERO points.

I knew the real Kitna would show up sooner or later. Jesus must have been busy with Kris Brown last Sunday.

 

[The_U]

Started Kitna last week vs. the Skins and he did much better than 80 yds passing. 106 yds passing, 2 INTs and 3 yds rushing. Net of ZERO points.

I knew the real Kitna would show up sooner or later. Jesus must have been busy with Kris Brown last Sunday.

Cuh-lahsik (apparently we can't spell the actual word correctly any longer without ###s appearing...sheesh.)

 

[Chaka]

Started Kitna last week vs. the Skins and he did much better than 80 yds passing. 106 yds passing, 2 INTs and 3 yds rushing. Net of ZERO points.

I knew the real Kitna would show up sooner or later. Jesus must have been busy with Kris Brown last Sunday.

Cuh-lahsik (apparently we can't spell the actual word correctly any longer without ###s appearing...sheesh.)

ClassicTest.ETA:

 

[Sabertooth]

I've heard nothing on McDonald. The reason he laid an egg last weekend was because I finally started him after rostering him in two leagues in week 1. I'll keep him on my bench in the future and he should produce great numbers there.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Did you happen to look at all the DET players stats vs the 'Skins? Then you'd notice it was isolated to just McDonald. DET got a thrashing and could barely make a first down, you need to make first downs to keep a drive going and get yards at least.

 

[GoinDeep]

I hate him.

When you put him in your starting lineup, he disappears. Try it!

 

[V1LL]

I've been Mcdonalds biggest supporter all year but I ended up cutting him this week because A)Expect to see A LOT more of Calvin Johnson after the bye week. 2) Mike Furrey apparently has some hex over Mike Martz and will not be leaving the line-up even though he's not as good as Mcdonald and 3) Martz is trying to establish the running game with Kevin Jones back. 4) The offensive line SUCKS and Kitna has no time to find a receiver who is his 4th option. I think in dynasty and keeper leagues Mac has almost ZERO value b/c Martz won't be here next year. There have been rumblings that other Lions coaches are already sick of his act.

Bottom line: he's a decent 4th FF receiver who could get you some points on ocassion but you'll never know when. He'd also be nice if Furrey were to go down.

 

[tombonneau]

I've been Mcdonalds biggest supporter all year but I ended up cutting him this week because A)Expect to see A LOT more of Calvin Johnson after the bye week. 2) Mike Furrey apparently has some hex over Mike Martz and will not be leaving the line-up even though he's not as good as Mcdonald and 3) Martz is trying to establish the running game with Kevin Jones back. 4) The offensive line SUCKS and Kitna has no time to find a receiver who is his 4th option. I think in dynasty and keeper leagues Mac has almost ZERO value b/c Martz won't be here next year. There have been rumblings that other Lions coaches are already sick of his act.

Bottom line: he's a decent 4th FF receiver who could get you some points on ocassion but you'll never know when. He'd also be nice if Furrey were to go down.

What makes you think he'll be less involved post-bye? Outside of the Skins game he was averaging double-digits in my .5ppr league. Top 20 WR after 4 games.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I've been Mcdonalds biggest supporter all year but I ended up cutting him this week because A)Expect to see A LOT more of Calvin Johnson after the bye week. 2) Mike Furrey apparently has some hex over Mike Martz and will not be leaving the line-up even though he's not as good as Mcdonald and 3) Martz is trying to establish the running game with Kevin Jones back. 4) The offensive line SUCKS and Kitna has no time to find a receiver who is his 4th option. I think in dynasty and keeper leagues Mac has almost ZERO value b/c Martz won't be here next year. There have been rumblings that other Lions coaches are already sick of his act.

Bottom line: he's a decent 4th FF receiver who could get you some points on ocassion but you'll never know when. He'd also be nice if Furrey were to go down.

this is not going to happen

 

[Bizkiteer]

I've been Mcdonalds biggest supporter all year but I ended up cutting him this week because A)Expect to see A LOT more of Calvin Johnson after the bye week. 2) Mike Furrey apparently has some hex over Mike Martz and will not be leaving the line-up even though he's not as good as Mcdonald and 3) Martz is trying to establish the running game with Kevin Jones back. 4) The offensive line SUCKS and Kitna has no time to find a receiver who is his 4th option. I think in dynasty and keeper leagues Mac has almost ZERO value b/c Martz won't be here next year. There have been rumblings that other Lions coaches are already sick of his act.

Bottom line: he's a decent 4th FF receiver who could get you some points on ocassion but you'll never know when. He'd also be nice if Furrey were to go down.

The point is, you want Roy, Furrey and Calvin in there...they run 4 WR sets and that give McDonald the miss match that they are looking for. As they are doing their down & outs...he's running a corner or post and getting all the nice plays from the slot.

 

[V1LL]

I've been Mcdonalds biggest supporter all year but I ended up cutting him this week because A)Expect to see A LOT more of Calvin Johnson after the bye week. 2) Mike Furrey apparently has some hex over Mike Martz and will not be leaving the line-up even though he's not as good as Mcdonald and 3) Martz is trying to establish the running game with Kevin Jones back. 4) The offensive line SUCKS and Kitna has no time to find a receiver who is his 4th option. I think in dynasty and keeper leagues Mac has almost ZERO value b/c Martz won't be here next year. There have been rumblings that other Lions coaches are already sick of his act.

Bottom line: he's a decent 4th FF receiver who could get you some points on ocassion but you'll never know when. He'd also be nice if Furrey were to go down.

this is not going to happen

it's already happening...you haven't been watching? The coaches are tired of the Martz crap...the O-line can't pass block the only alternative is to try to run the ball. Kitna will NOT be throwing 40+ passes every game.

 

[packersfan]

The Redskins completely shut down Detroit's passing game last week. Nobody did anything. And despite that, McDonald still led the team in receptions in that game. His worst game of the season so far was better than two of Steve Smith's games in the past three weeks.

Just a little something to keep in mind here.

Let others think the sky is falling on McDonald. If he can still be that active in a game where nothing is going right just think how well he'll do when things are going right. The good thing is you don't have to look far for that info. There are four other games this season with plenty of evidence.

No way McDonald should be dropped in a PPR league. None. If he's dropped in your PPR league do everything you can to get him. He's getting targets; he catches just about everything and it's clear Kitna and Martz trust him. In standard scoring leagues he may be a little shakier if Johnson and Jones can stay healthy. But in PPR leagues, this guy is going to be no worse than a solid WR3 in my opinion.

 

[tombonneau]

The Redskins completely shut down Detroit's passing game last week. Nobody did anything. And despite that, McDonald still led the team in receptions in that game. His worst game of the season so far was better than two of Steve Smith's games in the past three weeks. Just a little something to keep in mind here. Let others think the sky is falling on McDonald. If he can still be that active in a game where nothing is going right just think how well he'll do when things are going right. The good thing is you don't have to look far for that info. There are four other games this season with plenty of evidence.No way McDonald should be dropped in a PPR league. None. If he's dropped in your PPR league do everything you can to get him. He's getting targets; he catches just about everything and it's clear Kitna and Martz trust him. In standard scoring leagues he may be a little shakier if Johnson and Jones can stay healthy. But in PPR leagues, this guy is going to be no worse than a solid WR3 in my opinion.

I like your thinking almost as much as your avatar.

 

[Da Guru]

Mac will be a good #3 all year. Kitna loves him, and he finds all the open spots on the field..plus with roy and CJ drawing the top coverage he gets to run free.

 

[Chaka]

I've been Mcdonalds biggest supporter all year but I ended up cutting him this week because A)Expect to see A LOT more of Calvin Johnson after the bye week. 2) Mike Furrey apparently has some hex over Mike Martz and will not be leaving the line-up even though he's not as good as Mcdonald and 3) Martz is trying to establish the running game with Kevin Jones back. 4) The offensive line SUCKS and Kitna has no time to find a receiver who is his 4th option. I think in dynasty and keeper leagues Mac has almost ZERO value b/c Martz won't be here next year. There have been rumblings that other Lions coaches are already sick of his act.

Bottom line: he's a decent 4th FF receiver who could get you some points on ocassion but you'll never know when. He'd also be nice if Furrey were to go down.

this is not going to happen

it's already happening...you haven't been watching?

I hate when people say this when they clearly have not been watching themselves.Detroit has 97 rushing attempts on the year more than only two teams; New Orleans (96) and Cincinnati (94) and both of those teams have had a bye week. Which means that 6 teams that have played one fewer game than Detroit have run the ball more often than Detroit.

Martz is allergic to running the football. He is trying to recapture the magic of yesteryear and simply does not recognize that the NFL has caught up with his schemes and he is going to get his QBs killed.

 

[shakeybarn]

This guy is WR26 in our league and someone just cut him. I know DET is on bye, but is someone gonna be healthy that is injured? Was Furrey hurt?Outside the Skins game this guy was putting up solid WR2.Haven't been following Lions much, am I missing something?Btw, this is a 14-team league with not much on the WW for WR so he would def. be a WR3 at a minimum if the ship holds its course ...

Becoming apparent there are many mouths to feed in DetroitRWCalvinFurreyMcDonaldTroy Walters coming in a bit (was quite decent in Indy)KJ is a reception machine, and he's coming backUpcoming schedule:TBatCHIDENatARINYGGBatMINDALatSDKCatGBummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, last I checked those were all decent-to-good defenses.Buy low, sell high

 

[tombonneau]

This guy is WR26 in our league and someone just cut him. I know DET is on bye, but is someone gonna be healthy that is injured? Was Furrey hurt?Outside the Skins game this guy was putting up solid WR2.Haven't been following Lions much, am I missing something?Btw, this is a 14-team league with not much on the WW for WR so he would def. be a WR3 at a minimum if the ship holds its course ...

Becoming apparent there are many mouths to feed in DetroitRWCalvinFurreyMcDonaldTroy Walters coming in a bit (was quite decent in Indy)KJ is a reception machine, and he's coming backUpcoming schedule:TBatCHIDENatARINYGGBatMINDALatSDKCatGBummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, last I checked those were all decent-to-good defenses.Buy low, sell high

Those are the same mouths that were around the first 5 weeks with the semi-exception of KJ. I feel pretty good about picking him up as my WR6 off the wire in a 14-team league to potentially use once or twice in the next few weeks given bye/injury situations.I certainly wouldn't be thrilled with him as my WR3, but anything more than your WR4, esp. in larger leagues, I think he represents good value.

 

[DropKick]

This guy is WR26 in our league and someone just cut him. I know DET is on bye, but is someone gonna be healthy that is injured? Was Furrey hurt?Outside the Skins game this guy was putting up solid WR2.Haven't been following Lions much, am I missing something?Btw, this is a 14-team league with not much on the WW for WR so he would def. be a WR3 at a minimum if the ship holds its course ...

Becoming apparent there are many mouths to feed in DetroitRWCalvinFurreyMcDonaldTroy Walters coming in a bit (was quite decent in Indy)KJ is a reception machine, and he's coming backUpcoming schedule:TBatCHIDENatARINYGGBatMINDALatSDKCatGBummmmmmmmmmmmmmm, last I checked those were all decent-to-good defenses.Buy low, sell high

Those are the same mouths that were around the first 5 weeks with the semi-exception of KJ. I feel pretty good about picking him up as my WR6 off the wire in a 14-team league to potentially use once or twice in the next few weeks given bye/injury situations.I certainly wouldn't be thrilled with him as my WR3, but anything more than your WR4, esp. in larger leagues, I think he represents good value.

Calvin and KJ were largely absent so far... There is a real possibility they eat into Mc's touches.

 

[V1LL]

I've been Mcdonalds biggest supporter all year but I ended up cutting him this week because A)Expect to see A LOT more of Calvin Johnson after the bye week. 2) Mike Furrey apparently has some hex over Mike Martz and will not be leaving the line-up even though he's not as good as Mcdonald and 3) Martz is trying to establish the running game with Kevin Jones back. 4) The offensive line SUCKS and Kitna has no time to find a receiver who is his 4th option. I think in dynasty and keeper leagues Mac has almost ZERO value b/c Martz won't be here next year. There have been rumblings that other Lions coaches are already sick of his act.

Bottom line: he's a decent 4th FF receiver who could get you some points on ocassion but you'll never know when. He'd also be nice if Furrey were to go down.

this is not going to happen

it's already happening...you haven't been watching?

I hate when people say this when they clearly have not been watching themselves.Detroit has 97 rushing attempts on the year more than only two teams; New Orleans (96) and Cincinnati (94) and both of those teams have had a bye week. Which means that 6 teams that have played one fewer game than Detroit have run the ball more often than Detroit.

Martz is allergic to running the football. He is trying to recapture the magic of yesteryear and simply does not recognize that the NFL has caught up with his schemes and he is going to get his QBs killed.

If seen EVERY Lion game for the last 30 years so get off your high horse and listen: For 3 out of 4 quarters Martz did try to establish the run against the bears. Except for the one quarter where they scored 34 points the offense was based heavily on the run. I know that cuz...I WAS THERE........were you? didn't think so. Against WAS he tried to establish it early but got down 14 points quickly and had to throw more to try to catch up they still only threw it 9 more times than they ran it.Quote from Martz:

On establishing the run against Chicago: “We’ve got to run the football. We have to run the football well to win. We have to. You have to be able to put people away like we did at the end of the game running the ball. You have to do that, now. And the way you do that is, you learn to do that. You have to commit to making those runs and staying after it, even though it may give you some three-and-outs. Until you get going, you’re going to have some three-and-outs in the running game.”

The games break down as follows:

week 1 oakland 36 pass 21 run

week 2 Minn 56 pass 12 run

week 3 philly 46 pass 12 run

********KEVIN JONES BACK********

week 4 chicago 24 pass 25 run

week 5 Was 29 pass 20 run

you're right....just keep looking at the over-all stats and not the week by week.

 

[edgewater00]

As a Rams homer, I've followed Martz for years and can say this with confidence: He is as smart as he is mentally unbalanced. If you are his "pet", your stats will show it. If I was trying to predict McDonald's stats for the rest of the year, I'd guess somewhere between Kevin Curtis' 04 and 05 stats. The longer Calvin Johnson is limited, the closer McDonald wil get to '05. As for the Det running game, I'd guess that somewhere in the next 3 games KJones will have a monster game. But Martz will abandon a running game for no reason at all, see SB2001, and I'll be selling Jones high after it happens.

 

[Chaka]

I've been Mcdonalds biggest supporter all year but I ended up cutting him this week because A)Expect to see A LOT more of Calvin Johnson after the bye week. 2) Mike Furrey apparently has some hex over Mike Martz and will not be leaving the line-up even though he's not as good as Mcdonald and 3) Martz is trying to establish the running game with Kevin Jones back. 4) The offensive line SUCKS and Kitna has no time to find a receiver who is his 4th option. I think in dynasty and keeper leagues Mac has almost ZERO value b/c Martz won't be here next year. There have been rumblings that other Lions coaches are already sick of his act.

Bottom line: he's a decent 4th FF receiver who could get you some points on ocassion but you'll never know when. He'd also be nice if Furrey were to go down.

this is not going to happen

it's already happening...you haven't been watching?

I hate when people say this when they clearly have not been watching themselves.Detroit has 97 rushing attempts on the year more than only two teams; New Orleans (96) and Cincinnati (94) and both of those teams have had a bye week. Which means that 6 teams that have played one fewer game than Detroit have run the ball more often than Detroit.

Martz is allergic to running the football. He is trying to recapture the magic of yesteryear and simply does not recognize that the NFL has caught up with his schemes and he is going to get his QBs killed.

If seen EVERY Lion game for the last 30 years so get off your high horse and listen: For 3 out of 4 quarters Martz did try to establish the run against the bears. Except for the one quarter where they scored 34 points the offense was based heavily on the run. I know that cuz...I WAS THERE........were you? didn't think so. Against WAS he tried to establish it early but got down 14 points quickly and had to throw more to try to catch up they still only threw it 9 more times than they ran it.Quote from Martz:

On establishing the run against Chicago: “We’ve got to run the football. We have to run the football well to win. We have to. You have to be able to put people away like we did at the end of the game running the ball. You have to do that, now. And the way you do that is, you learn to do that. You have to commit to making those runs and staying after it, even though it may give you some three-and-outs. Until you get going, you’re going to have some three-and-outs in the running game.”

The games break down as follows:

week 1 oakland 36 pass 21 run

week 2 Minn 56 pass 12 run

week 3 philly 46 pass 12 run

********KEVIN JONES BACK********

week 4 chicago 24 pass 25 run

week 5 Was 29 pass 20 run

you're right....just keep looking at the over-all stats and not the week by week.

Gonna wait and see how this one plays out. One game where they ran one more time than passed does not qualify as a team trying to establish the run.

 

[V1LL]

UPDATE

The games break down as follows:

week 1 oakland 36 pass 21 run

week 2 Minn 56 pass 12 run

week 3 philly 46 pass 12 run

********KEVIN JONES BACK********

week 4 chicago 24 pass 25 run

week 5 Was 29 pass 20 run

week 6 BYE

week 7 T.B. 20 pass 24 run

week * CHI 35 pass 28 run

 

[Mikey16x]

yea he came back down to earth.

 

[Da Guru]

Watching the game Sunday Mac was off the field quite a bit, early in the year when KJ was not playing and Bell was the RB the Lions were using a 4 WR set probably 75-80 of the time. Now they are using a 3 WR set more often.

Kitna still seems to look for him, but he is not on the field as much. Plus with Roy, Megatron, and Furrey it is tough to get targets.

 

[ericttspikes]

yea he came back down to earth.

6 grabs is pretty stellar in ppr leagues. He was way more active than Furrey Sunday, and was second in receptions. He is only behind ROY who probably went 16-17 rounds higher than him. I'll take that anyday.

 

[ericttspikes]

I know this guy is a tough start, but it's hard to deny his production this year. As a #4 he is out-producing many #2's in the league.

 

[Restricted]

I know this guy is a tough start, but it's hard to deny his production this year. As a #4 he is out-producing many #2's in the league.

It looks like it's going to be a match-up thing with him. Seeing Detroit's 1 and 2 going against Baily and Bly, Mcdonald was a good play.