Shaun Rogers wants off the team (1 Viewer)

[JMJ]

For everyone bashing Rogers here:The first time Eric snubbed him was in the training room. That means Rogers was at the facility doing work or getting worked on barely 2 months into the offseason.The second time Mangini snubbed him was at a charity event.The 3rd time Mangini snubbed him was after he had already lied ("I didn't see Shaun Rogers" - yeah right, there are tons of 360+ lb men at charity events) and while Rogers was trying to be the bigger man and requested a one-on-one meeting with Mangini to try and work out their differences.That is Rogers 3, Mangini 0 in my book.

Also, to take this one step further (and yes I just quoted myself )You're a new head coach of a team and you run a 3-4 defense. You walk into the training room and sitting there is your 360 lb, stud, pro bowl Nose Tackle that you have never met up until this point. The guy that is almost single-handidly responsible for making your 3-4 defense work and by far your best defensive player.You don't say "hi" to the guy? Even if you're not interested in exchanging pleasantries with the guy, you know how important he is to you. You're not at all interested in talking football with him for a few minutes? See how he is feeling? See how he feels about the upcoming season? What he liked or disliked about his first year in a 3-4 defense last year? Find out what he feels he did well, what he feels he needed to improve on so it can help you start getting to know him and game planning for him? Etc.Even if you want to say that it is not a "****-move" on Mangini's part, fine. We disagree, but fine. But nobody can argue that it is not an absolutely stupid, incompetent, and irresponsible coaching move. This is why Eric does not have A CLUE! Just like with the Jets, he doesn't care about his players, doesn't care about their strengths and weaknesses, and he'll just install his proven-to-be-####ty style of crap defense and force feed his players into it whether it plays to their strengths or not.Sorry Browns fans but this is what you got. The guy is truly a clown.

 

[Fallerjw]

For everyone bashing Rogers here:The first time Eric snubbed him was in the training room. That means Rogers was at the facility doing work or getting worked on barely 2 months into the offseason.The second time Mangini snubbed him was at a charity event.The 3rd time Mangini snubbed him was after he had already lied ("I didn't see Shaun Rogers" - yeah right, there are tons of 360+ lb men at charity events) and while Rogers was trying to be the bigger man and requested a one-on-one meeting with Mangini to try and work out their differences.That is Rogers 3, Mangini 0 in my book.

Also, to take this one step further (and yes I just quoted myself )You're a new head coach of a team and you run a 3-4 defense. You walk into the training room and sitting there is your 360 lb, stud, pro bowl Nose Tackle that you have never met up until this point. The guy that is almost single-handidly responsible for making your 3-4 defense work and by far your best defensive player.You don't say "hi" to the guy? Even if you're not interested in exchanging pleasantries with the guy, you know how important he is to you. You're not at all interested in talking football with him for a few minutes? See how he is feeling? See how he feels about the upcoming season? What he liked or disliked about his first year in a 3-4 defense last year? Find out what he feels he did well, what he feels he needed to improve on so it can help you start getting to know him and game planning for him? Etc.Even if you want to say that it is not a "****-move" on Mangini's part, fine. We disagree, but fine. But nobody can argue that it is not an absolutely stupid, incompetent, and irresponsible coaching move. This is why Eric does not have A CLUE! Just like with the Jets, he doesn't care about his players, doesn't care about their strengths and weaknesses, and he'll just install his proven-to-be-####ty style of crap defense and force feed his players into it whether it plays to their strengths or not.Sorry Browns fans but this is what you got. The guy is truly a clown.

Browns fan here that doesn't want to believe it. If they can't get this worked out, and they lose Rogers, Mangini should forfeit this years salary.

 

[nxmehta]

Also, to take this one step further (and yes I just quoted myself )You're a new head coach of a team and you run a 3-4 defense. You walk into the training room and sitting there is your 360 lb, stud, pro bowl Nose Tackle that you have never met up until this point. The guy that is almost single-handidly responsible for making your 3-4 defense work and by far your best defensive player.You don't say "hi" to the guy? Even if you're not interested in exchanging pleasantries with the guy, you know how important he is to you. You're not at all interested in talking football with him for a few minutes? See how he is feeling? See how he feels about the upcoming season? What he liked or disliked about his first year in a 3-4 defense last year? Find out what he feels he did well, what he feels he needed to improve on so it can help you start getting to know him and game planning for him? Etc.Even if you want to say that it is not a "****-move" on Mangini's part, fine. We disagree, but fine. But nobody can argue that it is not an absolutely stupid, incompetent, and irresponsible coaching move. This is why Eric does not have A CLUE! Just like with the Jets, he doesn't care about his players, doesn't care about their strengths and weaknesses, and he'll just install his proven-to-be-####ty style of crap defense and force feed his players into it whether it plays to their strengths or not.Sorry Browns fans but this is what you got. The guy is truly a clown.

I got the impression that there were a lot of players in NY who loved Magnini (Jenkins, Smith, Washington, etc.). Is that not accurate? Everyone there hated his guts?I'm trying to believe you here but I'm having a hard time passing you off as something other than a disgruntled Jets homer...I don't think this was a smart move by Magnini but I wouldn't conclude that he "doesn't have a clue" or "doesn't care about his players".

 

[JMJ]

Also, to take this one step further (and yes I just quoted myself )

You're a new head coach of a team and you run a 3-4 defense. You walk into the training room and sitting there is your 360 lb, stud, pro bowl Nose Tackle that you have never met up until this point. The guy that is almost single-handidly responsible for making your 3-4 defense work and by far your best defensive player.

You don't say "hi" to the guy? Even if you're not interested in exchanging pleasantries with the guy, you know how important he is to you. You're not at all interested in talking football with him for a few minutes? See how he is feeling? See how he feels about the upcoming season? What he liked or disliked about his first year in a 3-4 defense last year? Find out what he feels he did well, what he feels he needed to improve on so it can help you start getting to know him and game planning for him? Etc.

Even if you want to say that it is not a "****-move" on Mangini's part, fine. We disagree, but fine. But nobody can argue that it is not an absolutely stupid, incompetent, and irresponsible coaching move. This is why Eric does not have A CLUE! Just like with the Jets, he doesn't care about his players, doesn't care about their strengths and weaknesses, and he'll just install his proven-to-be-####ty style of crap defense and force feed his players into it whether it plays to their strengths or not.

Sorry Browns fans but this is what you got. The guy is truly a clown.

I got the impression that there were a lot of players in NY who loved Magnini (Jenkins, Smith, Washington, etc.). Is that not accurate? Everyone there hated his guts?I'm trying to believe you here but I'm having a hard time passing you off as something other than a disgruntled Jets homer...

I don't think this was a smart move by Magnini but I wouldn't conclude that he "doesn't have a clue" or "doesn't care about his players".

I am a Jets fan, but I am FAR from disgruntled. I'm happy as all hell that he is gone and we have Rex. Mangini tries to be like Belichick but hasn't earned the respect necessary to do so. Players said some nice things when he left, and other said some not so nice things. Jenkins was the most supportive but he also only spent 1 year with him, and Mangini/Tannenbaum traded for him and got him out of Carolina where he was miserable and gave him a FAT contract.I'm telling you, it is all mind games with Eric and it is stupid. He doesn't treat these guys like men at all. He's not a bad drafter, and he's good in that he keeps his players focused (through fear of putting up with his #####), but he is the worst game day manager EVER and he is so stubborn in HIS way that he simply won't change a thing based on player's strengths. It is his way, his system (both on and off the field) and that is it. You're going to get sick of saying it but "round peg in a square whole" is what your defense is always going to look like.

 

[Adebisi]

All I can say is WTF. I don't know who to side with. On one hand, the Browns better be doing everything in their freaking power to keep our only pro bowl defensive player happy.

Why?Seriously, it's Shaun Rogers. He goes all out only when he feels like it, and it these reports are accurate, he's high maintenance to boot. This is someone who you want to keep around and build your defense around? Can you imagine the Steelers, Colts, or Patriots running their team with this mindset? Of course not.

He's a fine player - again, when he wants to be - but I would have this guy on a very, very short leash.

do you glue your hat? How's it stay on?

If I told you that, others might be inclined to copy my style.

 

[Adebisi]

All I can say is WTF. I don't know who to side with. On one hand, the Browns better be doing everything in their freaking power to keep our only pro bowl defensive player happy.

Why?Seriously, it's Shaun Rogers. He goes all out only when he feels like it, and it these reports are accurate, he's high maintenance to boot. This is someone who you want to keep around and build your defense around? Can you imagine the Steelers, Colts, or Patriots running their team with this mindset? Of course not.

He's a fine player - again, when he wants to be - but I would have this guy on a very, very short leash.

For everyone bashing Rogers here:The first time Eric snubbed him was in the training room. That means Rogers was at the facility doing work or getting worked on barely 2 months into the offseason.

The second time Mangini snubbed him was at a charity event.

The 3rd time Mangini snubbed him was after he had already lied ("I didn't see Shaun Rogers" - yeah right, there are tons of 360+ lb men at charity events) and while Rogers was trying to be the bigger man and requested a one-on-one meeting with Mangini to try and work out their differences.

That is Rogers 3, Mangini 0 in my book.

I'm not taking sides here. I'm just saying that the attitude of "the Browns better be doing everything in their freaking power to keep [Rodgers] happy" is a bit misguided, in my opinion. Is he the best and most important player on their defense (and likely their entire team, for that matter)? Yes, he is. But given his past, is he someone who you want to cater to if he's being unreasonable in all of this (which I'm not saying he is)? No, he's not.

 

[wadegarrett]

You're going to get sick of saying it but "round peg in a square whole" is what your defense is always going to look like.

Our defense has looked like that for the last 10 years so it won't be anything new.

 

[Reaper]

You're going to get sick of saying it but "round peg in a square whole" is what your defense is always going to look like.

Our defense has looked like that for the last 10 years so it won't be anything new.

And as another Jets fan, I don't agree with that analogy... It took time in NY for Mangini to transition to the 3-4..... Stuff happened. Vilma was a dissapointment and injured. People expected more from Drob - But, in the end both guys were replaced with Jenkins and Harris / Pace....In Cleveland He's already got a 3-4 defense and needs to tweak it..... Rogers and his agent want Haynesworth money, I think it's as simple as that...If need be, let him walk and draft Raji.... Not sure if they can get cap space from letting Rogers walk - Maybe he can agree like Coles did to walk away from the deal.Again, Mangini is NOT Herm Edwards here, I think he's a brite man who can learn and communicate better... We'll see.

 

[Browns Rule!]

In my opinion, all of this boils down to 1 thing:

Mangini is not Crenell and the players are going to have to get used to that.

Crenell was a players coach, what the players want, they seemed to get. He gave the team the easiest training camp any of them had ever had. Mangini is much more demanding. This is the one thing I wanted when we got a new coach, someone that didn't let the players dictate, it is the coaches job to dictate. I hope the Rogers thing works out, but Mangini has to stick to his guns. This is his team, it is his job if the team fails. This is discouraging news, BUT, I think the players will eventually realize they have to adapt, and things will cool down.

 

[wadegarrett]

Shaun Rogers working out in Browns complex

Cleveland Plain Dealer

Tuesday March 24, 2009

Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers is participating in the Browns off-season program this week after skipping last week's opening sessions while he resolved his differences with coach Eric Mangini.

Raw video of the Browns off-season program at clevelandbrowns.com Tuesday shows Rogers being greeted enthusiastically by teammates such as fellow defensive lineman Robaire Smith, who is coming back from a ruptured Achilles tendon that caused him to miss most of last season.

Rogers is seen shaking hands with another teammate before starting his workout. The video comes a day after Browns General Manager George Kokinis said at the NFL owner's meetings that Rogers and Mangini had a "good conversation." He also said, "The communication is ongoing now and I think that's being cleaned up."

Kokinis said Rogers intended to fulfill "his contractual obligations," and that "whatever weight" he wanted to play at was fine with Kokinis because he dominated last season.

Rogers, who made his third Pro Bowl last season, had been miffed about two perceived snubs by Mangini and a mandate to show up for the off-season program in shape. He asked the Browns to release him and not pay him his $6 million bonus due last week, but the Browns made it clear they had no intentions of doing so. Apparently, the matter has been resolved or is well on its way to being settled.

Link

 

[Bri]

good turnaround and nice bump of the thread wadegarrett

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Also, to take this one step further (and yes I just quoted myself )

You're a new head coach of a team and you run a 3-4 defense. You walk into the training room and sitting there is your 360 lb, stud, pro bowl Nose Tackle that you have never met up until this point. The guy that is almost single-handidly responsible for making your 3-4 defense work and by far your best defensive player.

You don't say "hi" to the guy? Even if you're not interested in exchanging pleasantries with the guy, you know how important he is to you. You're not at all interested in talking football with him for a few minutes? See how he is feeling? See how he feels about the upcoming season? What he liked or disliked about his first year in a 3-4 defense last year? Find out what he feels he did well, what he feels he needed to improve on so it can help you start getting to know him and game planning for him? Etc.

Even if you want to say that it is not a "****-move" on Mangini's part, fine. We disagree, but fine. But nobody can argue that it is not an absolutely stupid, incompetent, and irresponsible coaching move. This is why Eric does not have A CLUE! Just like with the Jets, he doesn't care about his players, doesn't care about their strengths and weaknesses, and he'll just install his proven-to-be-####ty style of crap defense and force feed his players into it whether it plays to their strengths or not.

Sorry Browns fans but this is what you got. The guy is truly a clown.

I got the impression that there were a lot of players in NY who loved Magnini (Jenkins, Smith, Washington, etc.). Is that not accurate? Everyone there hated his guts?I'm trying to believe you here but I'm having a hard time passing you off as something other than a disgruntled Jets homer...

I don't think this was a smart move by Magnini but I wouldn't conclude that he "doesn't have a clue" or "doesn't care about his players".

The fact that the Browns have already signed 4-5 ex-Jets should tell you that not all of his players hate him.He made a few tactical-personell errors with some players like Pete Kendall, Laveraneous Coles and Chris Baker that ruffled some feathers, but I think generally players did like playing for him and bought into some of his beliefs early on (i.e alphabetical order depth charts to make everyone earn thei spot, boxing film nights, etc.). I do agree that his system was more important to him than adapting to his players' strengths, which I never agreed with.

Bottom line he was an average coach. He did a lot of good things but had some real weaknesses as far as in game adjustments, made some real questionable decisions at times and was way too conservative at times - most notbaly down the stretch last season when he refused to blitz some mediocre QBs like Shaun Hill, Senneca Wallace and even Pennington and was picked apart, but he was also a pretty good talent evaluator and motivator.

I catully wish him luck in Cleveland.