Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
Just saw on NFL network where Shell said the QB spot will be an open competition and he's looking for someone who can take care of the ball. May not bode well for Brooks....he's a turnover waiting to happen.
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Shell says QB spot is an open competition (1 Viewer)
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ShotGunStyle
Footballguy
Once again, Brooks reputation as being turnover prone is false. Brooks is ranked 8th of 18 QB's (with at least 900 completions since 2002) for best INT/Attempt ratio. Worst is Brett.
Donovan McNabb 0.020531401
Peyton Manning 0.023501199
Brad Johnson 0.02407932
Trent Green 0.025440313
Tom Brady 0.025459689
Matt Hasselbeck 0.026443605
Steve McNair 0.026666667
Aaron Brooks 0.027819175
Drew Bledsoe 0.029688273
Kerry Collins 0.029688973
Drew Brees 0.029943503
Jake Plummer 0.030504714
Daunte Culpepper 0.032367973
David Carr 0.032615385
Jake Delhomme 0.032959327
Marc Bulger 0.033730159
Joey Harrington 0.034578918
Brett Favre 0.037875289
Donovan McNabb 0.020531401
Peyton Manning 0.023501199
Brad Johnson 0.02407932
Trent Green 0.025440313
Tom Brady 0.025459689
Matt Hasselbeck 0.026443605
Steve McNair 0.026666667
Aaron Brooks 0.027819175
Drew Bledsoe 0.029688273
Kerry Collins 0.029688973
Drew Brees 0.029943503
Jake Plummer 0.030504714
Daunte Culpepper 0.032367973
David Carr 0.032615385
Jake Delhomme 0.032959327
Marc Bulger 0.033730159
Joey Harrington 0.034578918
Brett Favre 0.037875289
diesel7982
Footballguy
For those that havent been paying attention, Shell is opening up "competition" at a number of spots, including QB. Brooks stands very, very little chance of not opening the season as the starter.
Sidewinder
Footballguy
Try adding in lost fumbles, you might get a different story.Brooks fans always love to point to his 24 TD 8 INT season in 2003. Sure, 24-8 is a wonderful TD to INT ratio, but for chrissakes, he lost a dozen fumbles that year as well.
its not like he is the incumbent, so it isn't a huge surprise that shell would say that... i agree, it would be a surprise if he isn't the opening day starter... if they start 0-3 & don't look good, he could have a pretty short leash, though... i don't have their schedule in front of me, but more so than QBs with more tenure, it will be important for him that raiders look at least competive in first month or two (ie- not too far below .500) to keep the job...
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ShotGunStyle
Footballguy
Brooks has lost four fumbles in the past 29 games. It's not a problem.
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Sidewinder
Footballguy
May have only lost 4 (I actually count 8) in the past 2 seasons, but most would consider 31 total fumbles over the last 3 years (46 games played) a problem, no matter how many were actually lost.
Buttmonkey
Footballguy
and 
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Dead-on. Brooks is a frustrating player since he puts up numbers, but his on-field decision making often leaves you scratching his head.Joe's been kinda pimping Walters, which is not baseless.
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MLBrandow
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And the 2007 QB for the Raiders.
wannabee
Footballguy
Saints | Shell considers quarterback job still open, Brooks thinks otherwise
Published Fri Aug 4 12:52:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) The Associated Press reports Oakland Raiders head coach Art Shell says the starting quarterback position is still open on his team, "This guy going out with the first group doesn't mean that's where he is going to end up." Shell was referring to QB Aaron Brooks, who had other thoughts, "This will be my eigth season. I did some wonderful things down in New Orleans, (but) I'm here to get back in the groove and make this team be a better football team."
Published Fri Aug 4 12:52:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) The Associated Press reports Oakland Raiders head coach Art Shell says the starting quarterback position is still open on his team, "This guy going out with the first group doesn't mean that's where he is going to end up." Shell was referring to QB Aaron Brooks, who had other thoughts, "This will be my eigth season. I did some wonderful things down in New Orleans, (but) I'm here to get back in the groove and make this team be a better football team."
azgroover
Footballguy
Tuiasasopo too.
wannabee
Footballguy
Raiders | Brooks' light bulb going off
Published Fri Aug 4 2:08:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) Steve Corkran, of the Contra Costa Times, reports Oakland Raiders QB Aaron Brooks struggled a bit at first during training camp but he is now at the point where things are starting to sink in and he's able to begin letting his athletic ability take over. Head coach Art Shell said he has made "big strides" recently and the "light bulb" is going off.
Published Fri Aug 4 2:08:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) Steve Corkran, of the Contra Costa Times, reports Oakland Raiders QB Aaron Brooks struggled a bit at first during training camp but he is now at the point where things are starting to sink in and he's able to begin letting his athletic ability take over. Head coach Art Shell said he has made "big strides" recently and the "light bulb" is going off.
wannabee
Footballguy
Raiders | Walter running third on depth chart
Published Fri Aug 4 2:09:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) Jim Jenkins, of the Sacramento Bee, reports Oakland Raiders QB Andrew Walter realistically is third on the team's depth chart at quarterback. For Walter to move up the depth chart, QB Aaron Brooks would need to have an awful start. Walter said the coaches have assured him the team does not have any starting guarantees.
Published Fri Aug 4 2:09:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) Jim Jenkins, of the Sacramento Bee, reports Oakland Raiders QB Andrew Walter realistically is third on the team's depth chart at quarterback. For Walter to move up the depth chart, QB Aaron Brooks would need to have an awful start. Walter said the coaches have assured him the team does not have any starting guarantees.
his, funny typo
could say the same thing about the bashers.
ShotGunStyle
Footballguy
According to everything I've seen or read during training camp, Brooks has been far and away the best QB in Raiders camp.
duaneok66
Footballguy
If that was the case, then he'd be named the starter by now . . .
ShotGunStyle
Footballguy
They have. Brooks is playing the best right now, and he's the starter right now. The future may be different, but now it's all Brooks.
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
The funny thing about Brooks is that he seems to have "feast or famine" type of games. Meaning that his overall numbers are respectable, but when he has a bad game...Man is it ever a bad game! Perhaps that's why he has such bad reputation for being a turnover machine. I'm almost positive that he's registered a few games where he had negative points.
Tau837
Footballguy
This is false, as I showed in Aaron Brooks will be the #1 fantasy QB this year, am I crazy or is this possible? :
There are a lot of misconceptions about Brooks. Suggest that anyone interested in Brooks read the thread above and the Brooks Spotlight thread... lots of good info in both.Interesting hypothesis. MLBrandow & BigRed, what exactly constitutes a low for a QB in your scoring systems?Let's look at a 15 point cutoff. How many times did Brooks and the other top QBs score less than 15 fantasy points? Let's use the top 15 QBs in FBG's current consensus rankings and the past 3 seasons (situations changed too much if we go further back, but sample set too small with fewer seasons) and FBG scoring:
Bulger - 6/37 = 16.2% (most encouraging stat I have seen yet for Kitna)
Peyton Manning - 12/48 = 25% (better than this due to end of season cameos)
Brady - 12/48 = 25% (better than this due to end of season cameos)
Hasselbeck - 13/46 = 28.3%
Brooks - 13/45 = 28.9%
Palmer - 9/30 = 30% (only 2 last year, so he is better than his ranking here)
McNabb - 12/40 = 30% (only 3 in 2 seasons with TO... will likely get worse)
Green - 15/48 = 31.3%
Plummer - 15/48 = 31.3%
Delhomme - 19/48 = 39.6%
Favre - 19/48 = 39.6%
Brees - 19/42 = 45.2%
Vick - 16/35 = 45.7%
Eli Manning - 13/25 = 52%
Bledsoe - 32/48 = 66.77%
Huh. Brooks certainly doesn't look like a guy with extraordinary lows there. How about games with less than 10 points? Those are certainly killers.
Brooks - 3/45 = 6.7%
Bulger - 3/37 = 8.1%
Plummer - 4/48 = 8.3% (1 possibly due to end of season cameo)
Hasselbeck - 4/46 = 8.7% (1 possibly due to end of season cameo)
Palmer - 3/30 = 10% (1 possibly due to end of season cameo)
McNabb - 4/40 = 10% (1 possibly due to end of season cameo)
Brady - 5/48 = 10.4% (1 possibly due to end of season cameo)
Peyton Manning - 6/48 = 12.5% (4 possibly due to end of season cameos)
Delhomme - 7/48 = 14.6%
Green - 7/48 = 14.6%
Vick - 6/35 = 17.1% (1 possibly due to end of season cameo)
Favre - 9/48 = 18.8%
Eli Manning - 6/25 = 24%
Brees - 12/42 = 28.6% (1 due to injury)
Bledsoe - 16/48 = 33.3%
Wow, now I'm really not getting your point. Where is the evidence of these super low scores that Brooks regularly throws up to kill his fantasy teams?
How about the extraordinary highs you mentioned? Games with 20+ points:
Peyton Manning - 28/48 = 58.3%
Palmer - 15/30 = 50%
McNabb - 18/40 = 45% (12 with TO)
Green - 19/48 = 39.6%
Hasselbeck - 18/46 = 39.1%
Favre - 18/48 = 37.5%
Vick - 13/35 = 37.1%
Brooks - 16/45 = 35.6%
Brady - 17/48 = 35.4%
Brees - 14/42 = 33.3%
Bulger - 11/37 = 29.7%
Plummer - 14/48 = 29.2%
Delhomme - 13/48 = 27.1%
Bledsoe - 10/48 = 20.8%
Eli Manning - 5/25 = 20%
Games with 30+ points:
Peyton Manning - 9/48 = 18.8%
McNabb - 7/40 = 17.5% (all but 1 with TO)
Vick - 3/35 = 8.6%
Green - 4/48 - 8.3%
Favre - 3/48 = 6.3%
Bulger - 2/37 = 5.4%
Brees - 2/42 = 4.8%
Brooks - 2/45 = 4.4%
Hasselbeck - 2/46 = 4.3%
Plummer - 2/48 = 4.2%
Bledsoe - 2/48 = 4.2%
Eli Manning - 1/25 = 4%
Palmer - 1/30 = 3.3%
Brady - 1/48 = 2.1%
Delhomme - 0/48 = 0%
Looks like Brooks is middle of the road on high games. I really don't think your claim holds water. Unless you use a different scoring system. But even then, I doubt your claim really holds up, it just might mean Brooks looks like an average top 15 QB instead of an above average top 15 QB.
From 2002 to 2005, Brooks was #5 in fantasy points among QBs. Using 2003 to 2005, as above, he was #8. In 2003 & 2004 combined, he was #5, which eliminates 2005, which I have explained earlier is IMO a bad season to use as a predictor for Brooks.
jdraiders
Footballguy
T Man
Footballguy
And the fumbles cam at inopportune times and for no reason other then it slipped out of his hand.
redman
Footballguy
I'm a Walter owner (not a Brooks owner) in dynasty, but I think there's no way in hell that Brooks is not the starter heading into this season.
Walter's a decent prospect, but using this criteria, he has only a fair-to-middling chance of being a good NFL QB. While he started a good number of college games, his college career completion % was only around 55-56%, and he wasn't drafted in the first two rounds. His potential probably tops out in Drew Bledsoe range, but it's probably more likely that you're looking at a guy who'll end up as a Scott Mitchell-type of NFL player, if not worse. Just MHO.
Walter's a decent prospect, but using this criteria, he has only a fair-to-middling chance of being a good NFL QB. While he started a good number of college games, his college career completion % was only around 55-56%, and he wasn't drafted in the first two rounds. His potential probably tops out in Drew Bledsoe range, but it's probably more likely that you're looking at a guy who'll end up as a Scott Mitchell-type of NFL player, if not worse. Just MHO.
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