Shooting At Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater (3 Viewers)

[Kanil]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

 

[Rayderr]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

He probably was. I imagine they've kept him up quite a bit for interrogation.

 

[pantagrapher]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

He probably was. I imagine they've kept him up quite a bit for interrogation.

But if he's not talking and asked for an attorney, that brings that to a stop, right?

 

[cstu]

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

Tear gas, sure... but bullet proof vests should not be illegal.

I doubt something approaching tear gas would be very hard to make from scratch if someone was motivated.

Of course. HEll.. napalm is easy as #### to make. Should we put orange juice concentrate behind the counter with the cigarettes and register the ID of anyone who wants to make some OJ? Some people are completely oblivious to the fact that Making stuff illegal does absolutely nothing to keep it out of the hands of these maniacs. It's pointless legislation.

This is a good point. Holmes could have easily mixed up some napalm and killed far more than he did using guns.

 

[pollardsvision]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught. It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

 

[[icon]]

I have a choice to live or work in a bad part of town.

Oh ####... someone should tell all those folks living in crappy neighborhoods that they need to quit choosing to live there. Glad we got that issue cleared right up.

It's a choice.

OK

 

[pantherclub]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

He probably was. I imagine they've kept him up quite a bit for interrogation.

is that legal, cause I dont know

 

[pantherclub]

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

Tear gas, sure... but bullet proof vests should not be illegal.

I doubt something approaching tear gas would be very hard to make from scratch if someone was motivated.

Of course. HEll.. napalm is easy as #### to make. Should we put orange juice concentrate behind the counter with the cigarettes and register the ID of anyone who wants to make some OJ? Some people are completely oblivious to the fact that Making stuff illegal does absolutely nothing to keep it out of the hands of these maniacs. It's pointless legislation.

This is a good point. Holmes could have easily mixed up some napalm and killed far more than he did using guns.

He could have chained the doors and got pretty much everyone. He could have walked around to the front and kept killing. Unfortunately we will never know just exactly what he was thinking or planning but he def could have done more damage if that was his sole intent.

 

[identikit]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

He probably was. I imagine they've kept him up quite a bit for interrogation.

is that legal, cause I dont know

Doubt it, once he asked for a lawyer, (which was pretty early).

 

[pantagrapher]

My take on his expression: he probably wants to close his eyes to avoid facing the reality of his situation but he's also well aware he's being watched so he's trying to decide what expression to effect. Seems like he changes it every minute. Maybe his lawyers told him to avoid making facial expressions so he catches himself and then tries to look down.

 

[Rayderr]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught.

It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

Has some new evidence come out? Initial reports I heard was that he was waiting for the police.

 

[pantherclub]

My take on his expression: he probably wants to close his eyes to avoid facing the reality of his situation but he's also well aware he's being watched so he's trying to decide what expression to effect. Seems like he changes it every minute. Maybe his lawyers told him to avoid making facial expressions so he catches himself and then tries to look down.

Maybe, but at this point it really doesnt matter. He is in the system for life. I get the mental aspect of it but the dude now knows he is locked up for the duration either way. You have to wonder why he didnt fight it out with the cops. Just seems odd.

 

[identikit]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught.

It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

Has some new evidence come out? Initial reports I heard was that he was waiting for the police.

Heard various conflicting reports on this (waiting for police, reloading, etc).

 

[pollardsvision]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught.

It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

Has some new evidence come out? Initial reports I heard was that he was waiting for the police.

I'm not very up-to-date on the details and I could be way off.I just assumed as much, with the booby trapping of the APT, presumably to create a diversion and all the defensive gear. I thought maybe his gun jammmed or he got caught reloading.

I guess, if the booby trapping was really to create a diversion, he would've gone to greater measures to ensure an explosion and maybe the gear was just for looks (other than the gas mask).

I have no idea, of course.

 

[CrossEyed]

Thought this was a great story. Some might think its an amazing coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences.

A Miracle Inside the Aurora Shooting: One Victim’s StoryAt Columbine, I have seen this before. But not up close.  As a church pastor in Denver, I have worked as a chaplain with several police and fire departments. I was privileged to counsel parents just hours after the Littleton Columbine shootings. However, in this new tragedy at the Aurora Theater Dark Night shooting, one of the victims was a 22 year old woman from my church, Petra Anderson (pronounced Pay-tra). Petra went to the movies with two young friends who are biking across America.  You and I have been inundated with news about what happened next. A joyful movie turned into bloody, unbelievable chaos. Petra was hit four times with a shot-gun blast, three shots into her arm and one bullet which entered her brain. This a bit of Petra’s miracle story.With awesome people from our caring and pastoral team, I spent all day Friday in the ICU with Petra and her family. Her injuries were severe, and her condition was critical. A bullet had entered Petra’s face through her nose, and then traveled up through her brain until stopping at the back of her skull. The doctors prior to surgery were concerned, because so much of the brain had been traversed by the bullet. Many areas of brain function were involved. They were hoping to keep her alive long enough to get her into surgery. The prognosis was uncertain—if she lived, Petra might struggle with speech, movement, and thinking due to considerable brain damage. With Kim, Petra’s mother (who is in the final stages of terminal cancer), we simply cried, hugged, and prayed.It is pressed into my memory now. Motion and emotion…Other families come and go into the ICU waiting room. Some sit with us, and we talk. Others are visited by doctors with “Family Advocates” in tow. The families listen, sob, and then are moved like stunned cattle to a more private space to grieve. We pray. Petra is finally taken into surgery, using two different surgical teams. One team of neurosurgeons will open up the back of her skull to remove the bullet and clean up brain damage as best they can. Another ENT-specialty surgical team will then work through Petra’s nose by scope to follow the bullet’s path up into her brain.  Their hope is to remove bone fragments, clean up damaged brain tissue, and reseal her brain to reduce infection.If you have lived any of your days in a hospital waiting room, you know how long the enduring process is. It has a woeful pattern to it. Sit. Walk. Grab a drink. Sit. Walk. Answer a phone call. Sit. Walk. Hug someone. Sit. Talk to the FBI. Sit. Pick at the food. Sit. Walk. Go down the hall, but not too far because you’re afraid to miss something. Back. Hug. Pray. Sit. Sit. A picture of a five year old waiting for next Christmas from January 1st comes to my mind. FOREVER. Only this feels worse: a heavy forever, with no promise of presents, Santa, or good news at the end.After the waiting drags for over five hours, tired doctors and nurses spill back into the room, one or two at a time. I look for “Family Advocates” but can find none. I exhale. The doctors update us: “It went well, and she’s recovering now. We found very little damage to the brain, and got the bullet out cleanly. It went better than we hoped for.” Each brings a warrior’s smile, and a bit of information—information that we turn into hope as we regurgitate it over the next hours.  Still, the medical team remains professional and reserved, “Something might still go wrong. We just need to wait and see if she makes it for the next 48 hours.”Tears and thank you’s abound. We are so thankful for these men and women. We hug. Everyone hugs. Then, round two. Sit. Wait. Pray. Fully dressed people cuddle into small snails and try to sleep on the floor. Some are shuttled to a room donated by the Holiday Inn across the street. Thank you, Lord, for every little thing. We sit. We pray. “We’ll understand better tomorrow.”Petra is moved back to ICU. She looks, surprisingly, wonderful. With a small hole in her nose, and her arm wrapped, she almost looks uninjured. She is medicated and sleeping when I come to visit her on Saturday. I sit, talk, and pray quietly with Kim amid the darkened room, lit by glowing medical screens and power switches. Nurses, like quiet soldiers posted on guard, come in, march attentively through the machines, and go out.  These men and women really care. Finally, one of the surgeons comes in to check on Petra. He has had some sleep, and looks more like a movie star this time. As Petra sleeps, he retells the story of the surgery, and we ask questions.  The doctor reads the perfect script, as if he is on Hallmark Hall of Fame. He fills us in on the miracle. Honestly, he doesn’t call it that, he just uses words like “happily” and “wonderfully” and “in a very fortunate way” and “luckily” and “we were really surprised by that.”  Kim and I know a miracle when we see it.It seems as if the bullet traveled through Petra’s brain without hitting any significant brain areas. The doctor explains that Petra’s brain has had from birth a small “defect” in it. It is a tiny channel of fluid running through her skull, like a tiny vein through marble, or a small hole in an oak board, winding from front to rear.  Only a CAT scan would catch it, and Petra would have never noticed it.But in Petra’s case, the shotgun buck shot, maybe even the size used for deer hunting, enters her brain from the exact point of this defect. Like a marble through a small tube, the defect channels the bullet from Petra’s nose through her brain. It turns slightly several times, and comes to rest at the rear of her brain. And in the process, the bullet misses all the vital areas of the brain. In many ways, it almost misses the brain itself.  Like a giant BB though a straw created in Petra’s brain before she was born, it follows the route of the defect. It is channeled in the least harmful way. A millimeter in any direction and the channel is missed.  The brain is destroyed. Evil wins a round.As he shares, the doctor seems taken aback. It is an odd thing to have a surgeon show a bit of wonder. Professionally, these guys own the universe, it seems, and take everything in stride. He is obviously gifted as a surgeon, and is kind in his manner. “It couldn’t have gone better. If it were my daughter,” he says quietly, glancing around to see if any of his colleagues might be watching him, “I’d be ecstatic. I’d be dancing a jig.” He smiles. I can’t keep my smile back, or the tears of joy. In Christianity we call it prevenient grace: God working ahead of time for a particular event in the future. It’s just like the God I follow to plan the route of a bullet through a brain long before Batman ever rises. Twenty-two years before.While we’re talking, Petra awakes. She opens her eyes, and sits up, “Mom.” Movie-star doctor spins to grab her, to protect her from falling. The nurse assures him she’s been doing this for a while. He talks to her, and she talks back. He asks questions, and Petra has the right answers. “Where do you hurt, Petra?” “All over.” Amazed, but professional, he smiles and leaves the set shaking his head. I am so thankful for this man.Petra is groggy and beat up, but she is herself. Honestly, I look worse before my morning coffee. “I’m thirsty,” she proclaims.“You want an ice cube, honey?” Kim replies.“Please.”  Wow. She lays down, back to sleep, a living miracle who doesn’t even know it yet. Good flowering out of the refuse pile of a truly dark night. “Thank you, Jesus,” I whisper.Petra, you are amazing. Kim, you, too, are amazing. I am so proud of you both. But God, you are in a league of your own. (Duh.)There is much ahead. More surgerys. Facial reconstruction, perhaps. And for Kim, chemo therapy to stretch every moment out of life. But life remains.The ending is yet to be written for this family

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[Mile High]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught.

It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

Has some new evidence come out? Initial reports I heard was that he was waiting for the police.

There really no sure report of what he was up to. He was caught about 2 minutes after the first 911 call has received. He was still inside shooting even after the first call came in. He might have just walked out the door seconds before he was captured.

 

[pantherclub]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught.

It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

Has some new evidence come out? Initial reports I heard was that he was waiting for the police.

There really no sure report of what he was up to. He was caught about 2 minutes after the first 911 call has received. He was still inside shooting even after the first call came in. He might have just walked out the door seconds before he was captured.

That is simply amazing when you consider it. Simply amazing.

 

[pantagrapher]

AP tweets:

BREAKING: Colo. prosecutor says it will likely be at least a year before James Holmes would stand trial.

 

[Plorfu]

Petra, you are amazing. Kim, you, too, are amazing. I am so proud of you both. But God, you are in a league of your own. (Duh.)

Yes, thank you God for letting this young woman get shot in the head by a maniac so we could have a Hallmark moment.

 

[ATC1]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught.

It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

Has some new evidence come out? Initial reports I heard was that he was waiting for the police.

I'm not very up-to-date on the details and I could be way off.I just assumed as much, with the booby trapping of the APT, presumably to create a diversion and all the defensive gear. I thought maybe his gun jammmed or he got caught reloading.

I guess, if the booby trapping was really to create a diversion, he would've gone to greater measures to ensure an explosion and maybe the gear was just for looks (other than the gas mask).

I have no idea, of course.

Thought he would want to see what happened with the apt bomb, so he surrendered. No idea why he told the police about it. Did they get it from him, he lawyered up, so maybe or maybe not. Or did he tell them like the Joker told them in the movie. However, in the movie there were two bombs and they had a choice to make to save one.

 

[Mile High]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught.

It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

Has some new evidence come out? Initial reports I heard was that he was waiting for the police.

There really no sure report of what he was up to. He was caught about 2 minutes after the first 911 call has received. He was still inside shooting even after the first call came in. He might have just walked out the door seconds before he was captured.

That is simply amazing when you consider it. Simply amazing.

It is amazing. I don't buy he was just going to give up. Why all the body armor if you plan on just giving up? His main gun jammed and the other 2 were out of ammo. He walked out the door and before he could do much of any thing the police are there, with no way to fight back he just gave up.

 

[ATC1]

It is amazing. I don't buy he was just going to give up. Why all the body armor if you plan on just giving up? His main gun jammed and the other 2 were out of ammo. He walked out the door and before he could do much of any thing the police are there, with no way to fight back he just gave up.

Wanted a chance to surrender instead of taking a bullet.

 

[Rayderr]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

That's what I thought, with maybe some scared, sad, and fake remorse mixed in. That would make since, I guess, as he didn't plan on getting caught.

It didn't seem like any sort of "faking psychosis" going on to me. Yeah, he looked a little wide-eyed and crazy, but for a an oranged-haired dude that just shot 70 people, he seemed as normal as can be expected.

Has some new evidence come out? Initial reports I heard was that he was waiting for the police.

There really no sure report of what he was up to. He was caught about 2 minutes after the first 911 call has received. He was still inside shooting even after the first call came in. He might have just walked out the door seconds before he was captured.

That is simply amazing when you consider it. Simply amazing.

Hmm.... According to this Timeline Shooting started at 12:30, police arrived at 12:40, Holmes arrested at 12:45.

 

[JZilla]

I never got the impression he was standing around waiting for the cops, just that they nabbed him when he went back to his car and he didn't resist

Probably not expecting any cops to arrive that quickly, he assumed his bomb must have gone off and the cops tracked him to the theater. He looks like the queefy little dork I expected, I hope a real villain smashes him with a pipe.

 

[snogger]

My take on his expression: he probably wants to close his eyes to avoid facing the reality of his situation but he's also well aware he's being watched so he's trying to decide what expression to effect. Seems like he changes it every minute. Maybe his lawyers told him to avoid making facial expressions so he catches himself and then tries to look down.

Maybe, but at this point it really doesnt matter. He is in the system for life. I get the mental aspect of it but the dude now knows he is locked up for the duration either way. You have to wonder why he didnt fight it out with the cops. Just seems odd.

Guessing not on the bold part.. Colorado does have the death penalty..

 

[identikit]

There really no sure report of what he was up to. He was caught about 2 minutes after the first 911 call has received. He was still inside shooting even after the first call came in. He might have just walked out the door seconds before he was captured.

That is simply amazing when you consider it. Simply amazing.

It is amazing. I don't buy he was just going to give up. Why all the body armor if you plan on just giving up? His main gun jammed and the other 2 were out of ammo. He walked out the door and before he could do much of any thing the police are there, with no way to fight back he just gave up.

Sounds about right.

Very lucky timing.

 

[Rayderr]

My take on his expression: he probably wants to close his eyes to avoid facing the reality of his situation but he's also well aware he's being watched so he's trying to decide what expression to effect. Seems like he changes it every minute. Maybe his lawyers told him to avoid making facial expressions so he catches himself and then tries to look down.

Maybe, but at this point it really doesnt matter. He is in the system for life. I get the mental aspect of it but the dude now knows he is locked up for the duration either way. You have to wonder why he didnt fight it out with the cops. Just seems odd.

Guessing not on the bold part.. Colorado does have the death penalty..

Well, techincally, that's still for life.

 

[identikit]

My take on his expression: he probably wants to close his eyes to avoid facing the reality of his situation but he's also well aware he's being watched so he's trying to decide what expression to effect. Seems like he changes it every minute. Maybe his lawyers told him to avoid making facial expressions so he catches himself and then tries to look down.

Maybe, but at this point it really doesnt matter. He is in the system for life. I get the mental aspect of it but the dude now knows he is locked up for the duration either way. You have to wonder why he didnt fight it out with the cops. Just seems odd.

Guessing not on the bold part.. Colorado does have the death penalty..

The Columbine guys committed suicide.Interesting to see what the Colorado courts do with this one.

 

[snogger]

My take on his expression: he probably wants to close his eyes to avoid facing the reality of his situation but he's also well aware he's being watched so he's trying to decide what expression to effect. Seems like he changes it every minute. Maybe his lawyers told him to avoid making facial expressions so he catches himself and then tries to look down.

Maybe, but at this point it really doesnt matter. He is in the system for life. I get the mental aspect of it but the dude now knows he is locked up for the duration either way. You have to wonder why he didnt fight it out with the cops. Just seems odd.

Guessing not on the bold part.. Colorado does have the death penalty..

Well, techincally, that's still for life.

 

[belljr]

I have been skimming and I'm sure this was mentioned but I think he wanted the explosion to happen so his shooting spree would have lasted longer. Basically everyone was at one place then he could carry out his act.

And this is all the attention he wanted. He is now famous and the media are feeding right into again.

When I knucklehead runs onto the field during a game they now make it a point to not show the guy and mention it as not to encourage more people do it.

Same concept.

 

[shadyridr]

It is amazing. I don't buy he was just going to give up. Why all the body armor if you plan on just giving up? His main gun jammed and the other 2 were out of ammo. He walked out the door and before he could do much of any thing the police are there, with no way to fight back he just gave up.

They said he disguised himself as a SWAT member but his uniform was off slightly cuz he was wearing a neck and groin guard which SWAT members generally dont wear

 

[Mile High]

My take on his expression: he probably wants to close his eyes to avoid facing the reality of his situation but he's also well aware he's being watched so he's trying to decide what expression to effect. Seems like he changes it every minute. Maybe his lawyers told him to avoid making facial expressions so he catches himself and then tries to look down.

Maybe, but at this point it really doesnt matter. He is in the system for life. I get the mental aspect of it but the dude now knows he is locked up for the duration either way. You have to wonder why he didnt fight it out with the cops. Just seems odd.

Guessing not on the bold part.. Colorado does have the death penalty..

The Columbine guys committed suicide.Interesting to see what the Colorado courts do with this one.

I think there are 3 on death row right now and it's been awhile since it's been used.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Thought this was a great story. Some might think its an amazing coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences.

snip

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That's great. I'm sure the paralyzed mother of the 6-year-old who died is cool with not being God's Chosen Survivor. If you're looking for a miracle or a sign of God's existence in this thing, all this would show is that God is an arbitrary jerk. She got lucky. A lot of others did not.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Thought this was a great story. Some might think its an amazing coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences.

A Miracle Inside the Aurora Shooting: One Victim’s StoryAt Columbine, I have seen this before. But not up close.  As a church pastor in Denver, I have worked as a chaplain with several police and fire departments. I was privileged to counsel parents just hours after the Littleton Columbine shootings. However, in this new tragedy at the Aurora Theater Dark Night shooting, one of the victims was a 22 year old woman from my church, Petra Anderson (pronounced Pay-tra). Petra went to the movies with two young friends who are biking across America.  You and I have been inundated with news about what happened next. A joyful movie turned into bloody, unbelievable chaos. Petra was hit four times with a shot-gun blast, three shots into her arm and one bullet which entered her brain. This a bit of Petra’s miracle story.With awesome people from our caring and pastoral team, I spent all day Friday in the ICU with Petra and her family. Her injuries were severe, and her condition was critical. A bullet had entered Petra’s face through her nose, and then traveled up through her brain until stopping at the back of her skull. The doctors prior to surgery were concerned, because so much of the brain had been traversed by the bullet. Many areas of brain function were involved. They were hoping to keep her alive long enough to get her into surgery. The prognosis was uncertain—if she lived, Petra might struggle with speech, movement, and thinking due to considerable brain damage. With Kim, Petra’s mother (who is in the final stages of terminal cancer), we simply cried, hugged, and prayed.It is pressed into my memory now. Motion and emotion…Other families come and go into the ICU waiting room. Some sit with us, and we talk. Others are visited by doctors with “Family Advocates” in tow. The families listen, sob, and then are moved like stunned cattle to a more private space to grieve. We pray. Petra is finally taken into surgery, using two different surgical teams. One team of neurosurgeons will open up the back of her skull to remove the bullet and clean up brain damage as best they can. Another ENT-specialty surgical team will then work through Petra’s nose by scope to follow the bullet’s path up into her brain.  Their hope is to remove bone fragments, clean up damaged brain tissue, and reseal her brain to reduce infection.If you have lived any of your days in a hospital waiting room, you know how long the enduring process is. It has a woeful pattern to it. Sit. Walk. Grab a drink. Sit. Walk. Answer a phone call. Sit. Walk. Hug someone. Sit. Talk to the FBI. Sit. Pick at the food. Sit. Walk. Go down the hall, but not too far because you’re afraid to miss something. Back. Hug. Pray. Sit. Sit. A picture of a five year old waiting for next Christmas from January 1st comes to my mind. FOREVER. Only this feels worse: a heavy forever, with no promise of presents, Santa, or good news at the end.After the waiting drags for over five hours, tired doctors and nurses spill back into the room, one or two at a time. I look for “Family Advocates” but can find none. I exhale. The doctors update us: “It went well, and she’s recovering now. We found very little damage to the brain, and got the bullet out cleanly. It went better than we hoped for.” Each brings a warrior’s smile, and a bit of information—information that we turn into hope as we regurgitate it over the next hours.  Still, the medical team remains professional and reserved, “Something might still go wrong. We just need to wait and see if she makes it for the next 48 hours.”Tears and thank you’s abound. We are so thankful for these men and women. We hug. Everyone hugs. Then, round two. Sit. Wait. Pray. Fully dressed people cuddle into small snails and try to sleep on the floor. Some are shuttled to a room donated by the Holiday Inn across the street. Thank you, Lord, for every little thing. We sit. We pray. “We’ll understand better tomorrow.”Petra is moved back to ICU. She looks, surprisingly, wonderful. With a small hole in her nose, and her arm wrapped, she almost looks uninjured. She is medicated and sleeping when I come to visit her on Saturday. I sit, talk, and pray quietly with Kim amid the darkened room, lit by glowing medical screens and power switches. Nurses, like quiet soldiers posted on guard, come in, march attentively through the machines, and go out.  These men and women really care. Finally, one of the surgeons comes in to check on Petra. He has had some sleep, and looks more like a movie star this time. As Petra sleeps, he retells the story of the surgery, and we ask questions.  The doctor reads the perfect script, as if he is on Hallmark Hall of Fame. He fills us in on the miracle. Honestly, he doesn’t call it that, he just uses words like “happily” and “wonderfully” and “in a very fortunate way” and “luckily” and “we were really surprised by that.”  Kim and I know a miracle when we see it.It seems as if the bullet traveled through Petra’s brain without hitting any significant brain areas. The doctor explains that Petra’s brain has had from birth a small “defect” in it. It is a tiny channel of fluid running through her skull, like a tiny vein through marble, or a small hole in an oak board, winding from front to rear.  Only a CAT scan would catch it, and Petra would have never noticed it.But in Petra’s case, the shotgun buck shot, maybe even the size used for deer hunting, enters her brain from the exact point of this defect. Like a marble through a small tube, the defect channels the bullet from Petra’s nose through her brain. It turns slightly several times, and comes to rest at the rear of her brain. And in the process, the bullet misses all the vital areas of the brain. In many ways, it almost misses the brain itself.  Like a giant BB though a straw created in Petra’s brain before she was born, it follows the route of the defect. It is channeled in the least harmful way. A millimeter in any direction and the channel is missed.  The brain is destroyed. Evil wins a round.As he shares, the doctor seems taken aback. It is an odd thing to have a surgeon show a bit of wonder. Professionally, these guys own the universe, it seems, and take everything in stride. He is obviously gifted as a surgeon, and is kind in his manner. “It couldn’t have gone better. If it were my daughter,” he says quietly, glancing around to see if any of his colleagues might be watching him, “I’d be ecstatic. I’d be dancing a jig.” He smiles. I can’t keep my smile back, or the tears of joy. In Christianity we call it prevenient grace: God working ahead of time for a particular event in the future. It’s just like the God I follow to plan the route of a bullet through a brain long before Batman ever rises. Twenty-two years before.While we’re talking, Petra awakes. She opens her eyes, and sits up, “Mom.” Movie-star doctor spins to grab her, to protect her from falling. The nurse assures him she’s been doing this for a while. He talks to her, and she talks back. He asks questions, and Petra has the right answers. “Where do you hurt, Petra?” “All over.” Amazed, but professional, he smiles and leaves the set shaking his head. I am so thankful for this man.Petra is groggy and beat up, but she is herself. Honestly, I look worse before my morning coffee. “I’m thirsty,” she proclaims.“You want an ice cube, honey?” Kim replies.“Please.”  Wow. She lays down, back to sleep, a living miracle who doesn’t even know it yet. Good flowering out of the refuse pile of a truly dark night. “Thank you, Jesus,” I whisper.Petra, you are amazing. Kim, you, too, are amazing. I am so proud of you both. But God, you are in a league of your own. (Duh.)There is much ahead. More surgerys. Facial reconstruction, perhaps. And for Kim, chemo therapy to stretch every moment out of life. But life remains.The ending is yet to be written for this family

.

wow thats wild.

 

[identikit]

Thought this was a great story. Some might think its an amazing coincidence. I don't believe in coincidences.

A Miracle Inside the Aurora Shooting: One Victim's StoryAt Columbine, I have seen this before. But not up close. As a church pastor in Denver, I have worked as a chaplain with several police and fire departments. I was privileged to counsel parents just hours after the Littleton Columbine shootings. However, in this new tragedy at the Aurora Theater Dark Night shooting, one of the victims was a 22 year old woman from my church, Petra Anderson (pronounced Pay-tra). Petra went to the movies with two young friends who are biking across America. You and I have been inundated with news about what happened next. A joyful movie turned into bloody, unbelievable chaos. Petra was hit four times with a shot-gun blast, three shots into her arm and one bullet which entered her brain. This a bit of Petra's miracle story.With awesome people from our caring and pastoral team, I spent all day Friday in the ICU with Petra and her family. Her injuries were severe, and her condition was critical. A bullet had entered Petra's face through her nose, and then traveled up through her brain until stopping at the back of her skull. The doctors prior to surgery were concerned, because so much of the brain had been traversed by the bullet. Many areas of brain function were involved. They were hoping to keep her alive long enough to get her into surgery. The prognosis was uncertain—if she lived, Petra might struggle with speech, movement, and thinking due to considerable brain damage. With Kim, Petra's mother (who is in the final stages of terminal cancer), we simply cried, hugged, and prayed.It is pressed into my memory now. Motion and emotion…Other families come and go into the ICU waiting room. Some sit with us, and we talk. Others are visited by doctors with "Family Advocates" in tow. The families listen, sob, and then are moved like stunned cattle to a more private space to grieve. We pray. Petra is finally taken into surgery, using two different surgical teams. One team of neurosurgeons will open up the back of her skull to remove the bullet and clean up brain damage as best they can. Another ENT-specialty surgical team will then work through Petra's nose by scope to follow the bullet's path up into her brain. Their hope is to remove bone fragments, clean up damaged brain tissue, and reseal her brain to reduce infection.If you have lived any of your days in a hospital waiting room, you know how long the enduring process is. It has a woeful pattern to it. Sit. Walk. Grab a drink. Sit. Walk. Answer a phone call. Sit. Walk. Hug someone. Sit. Talk to the FBI. Sit. Pick at the food. Sit. Walk. Go down the hall, but not too far because you're afraid to miss something. Back. Hug. Pray. Sit. Sit. A picture of a five year old waiting for next Christmas from January 1st comes to my mind. FOREVER. Only this feels worse: a heavy forever, with no promise of presents, Santa, or good news at the end.After the waiting drags for over five hours, tired doctors and nurses spill back into the room, one or two at a time. I look for "Family Advocates" but can find none. I exhale. The doctors update us: "It went well, and she's recovering now. We found very little damage to the brain, and got the bullet out cleanly. It went better than we hoped for." Each brings a warrior's smile, and a bit of information—information that we turn into hope as we regurgitate it over the next hours. Still, the medical team remains professional and reserved, "Something might still go wrong. We just need to wait and see if she makes it for the next 48 hours."Tears and thank you's abound. We are so thankful for these men and women. We hug. Everyone hugs. Then, round two. Sit. Wait. Pray. Fully dressed people cuddle into small snails and try to sleep on the floor. Some are shuttled to a room donated by the Holiday Inn across the street. Thank you, Lord, for every little thing. We sit. We pray. "We'll understand better tomorrow."Petra is moved back to ICU. She looks, surprisingly, wonderful. With a small hole in her nose, and her arm wrapped, she almost looks uninjured. She is medicated and sleeping when I come to visit her on Saturday. I sit, talk, and pray quietly with Kim amid the darkened room, lit by glowing medical screens and power switches. Nurses, like quiet soldiers posted on guard, come in, march attentively through the machines, and go out. These men and women really care. Finally, one of the surgeons comes in to check on Petra. He has had some sleep, and looks more like a movie star this time. As Petra sleeps, he retells the story of the surgery, and we ask questions. The doctor reads the perfect script, as if he is on Hallmark Hall of Fame. He fills us in on the miracle. Honestly, he doesn't call it that, he just uses words like "happily" and "wonderfully" and "in a very fortunate way" and "luckily" and "we were really surprised by that." Kim and I know a miracle when we see it.It seems as if the bullet traveled through Petra's brain without hitting any significant brain areas. The doctor explains that Petra's brain has had from birth a small "defect" in it. It is a tiny channel of fluid running through her skull, like a tiny vein through marble, or a small hole in an oak board, winding from front to rear. Only a CAT scan would catch it, and Petra would have never noticed it.But in Petra's case, the shotgun buck shot, maybe even the size used for deer hunting, enters her brain from the exact point of this defect. Like a marble through a small tube, the defect channels the bullet from Petra's nose through her brain. It turns slightly several times, and comes to rest at the rear of her brain. And in the process, the bullet misses all the vital areas of the brain. In many ways, it almost misses the brain itself. Like a giant BB though a straw created in Petra's brain before she was born, it follows the route of the defect. It is channeled in the least harmful way. A millimeter in any direction and the channel is missed. The brain is destroyed. Evil wins a round.As he shares, the doctor seems taken aback. It is an odd thing to have a surgeon show a bit of wonder. Professionally, these guys own the universe, it seems, and take everything in stride. He is obviously gifted as a surgeon, and is kind in his manner. "It couldn't have gone better. If it were my daughter," he says quietly, glancing around to see if any of his colleagues might be watching him, "I'd be ecstatic. I'd be dancing a jig." He smiles. I can't keep my smile back, or the tears of joy. In Christianity we call it prevenient grace: God working ahead of time for a particular event in the future. It's just like the God I follow to plan the route of a bullet through a brain long before Batman ever rises. Twenty-two years before.While we're talking, Petra awakes. She opens her eyes, and sits up, "Mom." Movie-star doctor spins to grab her, to protect her from falling. The nurse assures him she's been doing this for a while. He talks to her, and she talks back. He asks questions, and Petra has the right answers. "Where do you hurt, Petra?" "All over." Amazed, but professional, he smiles and leaves the set shaking his head. I am so thankful for this man.Petra is groggy and beat up, but she is herself. Honestly, I look worse before my morning coffee. "I'm thirsty," she proclaims."You want an ice cube, honey?" Kim replies."Please." Wow. She lays down, back to sleep, a living miracle who doesn't even know it yet. Good flowering out of the refuse pile of a truly dark night. "Thank you, Jesus," I whisper.Petra, you are amazing. Kim, you, too, are amazing. I am so proud of you both. But God, you are in a league of your own. (Duh.)There is much ahead. More surgerys. Facial reconstruction, perhaps. And for Kim, chemo therapy to stretch every moment out of life. But life remains.The ending is yet to be written for this family

.

wow thats wild.

Now that's a miracle.

 

[dnurk]

I have an AR-15 and many other weapons. The cheapest .223 shells you can buy are Russian at around $1 a pop and they are widely know to dirty up your AR and to jam constantly. Quality ammo is much more expensive, but also very reliable in a clean, lubed AR-15. It is logical that James Holmes used Russian shells.

According to reports, James Holmes recently purchased all of his weapons. He was a newbie when it came to weapons and the sales clerks remember him asking a lot of questions. He would have practiced at a range or out in the middle of nowhere to prepare. It is likely that he did not clean and lube his AR after his practice rounds, which led to a dirty chamber and jam during the massacre. I believe that this saved many peoples lives.

I also believe that Holmes had no intention of living. When his AR jammed, he grabbed his glock handguns. If he had an empty shotgun, a jammed AR, and empty clips for the glocks, then he had nothing to protect himself with when he exited the theater to go back to his car, where he was met by police. Easy arrest.

Got to disagree with all of this. .223 or 5.56 mm rounds that are typically shot out of an AR 15 cost nowhere near a dollar per round. Ammoseek

The cheap Russian stuff can shoot dirty but is generally shootable in most of the most common AR builds like you would find at Cabelas or Bass Pro (which is where he reportedly acquired some of his weapons). Most everyone familiar with the AR platform agrees the weapon jammed due to him attempting to use the big 100 shot drum magazine. Those things are complete garbage and known by seasoned shooters to have FTFs on a constant basis. Had he just used 3 or 4 of the standard 30 shot mags he likely would not have jammed.

And I agree with the others who have posted in here that his plan all along was to surrender. He likely went to such extremes with protective gear to best ensure he would NOT be gunned down and would have the chance to surrender.

 

[Charlie Frown]

You guys realize there are other weapons out there than guns, right?

Yeah they're are so many mass stabbings...

 

[ATC1]

I have an AR-15 and many other weapons. The cheapest .223 shells you can buy are Russian at around $1 a pop and they are widely know to dirty up your AR and to jam constantly. Quality ammo is much more expensive, but also very reliable in a clean, lubed AR-15. It is logical that James Holmes used Russian shells.

According to reports, James Holmes recently purchased all of his weapons. He was a newbie when it came to weapons and the sales clerks remember him asking a lot of questions. He would have practiced at a range or out in the middle of nowhere to prepare. It is likely that he did not clean and lube his AR after his practice rounds, which led to a dirty chamber and jam during the massacre. I believe that this saved many peoples lives.

I also believe that Holmes had no intention of living. When his AR jammed, he grabbed his glock handguns. If he had an empty shotgun, a jammed AR, and empty clips for the glocks, then he had nothing to protect himself with when he exited the theater to go back to his car, where he was met by police. Easy arrest.

Got to disagree with all of this. .223 or 5.56 mm rounds that are typically shot out of an AR 15 cost nowhere near a dollar per round. Ammoseek

The cheap Russian stuff can shoot dirty but is generally shootable in most of the most common AR builds like you would find at Cabelas or Bass Pro (which is where he reportedly acquired some of his weapons). Most everyone familiar with the AR platform agrees the weapon jammed due to him attempting to use the big 100 shot drum magazine. Those things are complete garbage and known by seasoned shooters to have FTFs on a constant basis. Had he just used 3 or 4 of the standard 30 shot mags he likely would not have jammed.

And I agree with the others who have posted in here that his plan all along was to surrender. He likely went to such extremes with protective gear to best ensure he would NOT be gunned down and would have the chance to surrender.

Those 100 round drum mags easily jam. Do we know how many rounds he got off with the AR 15?

 

[Charlie Frown]

Find me a story of this happening in the past six months from anywhere else in the first world.This is a largely American phenomenon. (not exclusively, but our rates of frequency outstrip any other 1st world country out there).Did this kid get his guns from the black market?Nope, legally bought:The weapons were bought from two local stores of national chains, Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shop, beginning in May, law enforcement officials told NBCSorry, but we have to lock down firearms in this country. We are too crazy as a nation for them to be available to anyone not willing to buy them from cops.

Canada, but that is not why I am commenting here.While I feel it should be harder for people to own, carry, sell guns, this was a well thought out planned attack. He knew what he was doing. He was going to get his hands on these guns. He knew how to cause a confusion. You won't hear it on the news, but this was a Cimemark, which all the Cimemarks I have been in im LA has a no gun/carry policy. What does Columbine, VA Tech, Ohio School, this movie theater have in common? They all occured in no gun zones where law bidding citizens follow the rules.We just hear of an elderly man with a CCP stopping an armed robbery in Florida this week. It may have been a big media driven story if those two went into the internet cafe and shot as many people as they could.

I'm an executive at a movie theater company and our policy is to NOT put up "Guns Banned" signs for this exact reason. If a Conceal Carry customer could've taken action it might've saved lives.

I don't know about CC but in Kentucky Open Carry is permitted and I am pretty sure a business cannot even prevent it even with a sign (except for schools and bars).

 

[dnurk]

I have an AR-15 and many other weapons. The cheapest .223 shells you can buy are Russian at around $1 a pop and they are widely know to dirty up your AR and to jam constantly. Quality ammo is much more expensive, but also very reliable in a clean, lubed AR-15. It is logical that James Holmes used Russian shells.

According to reports, James Holmes recently purchased all of his weapons. He was a newbie when it came to weapons and the sales clerks remember him asking a lot of questions. He would have practiced at a range or out in the middle of nowhere to prepare. It is likely that he did not clean and lube his AR after his practice rounds, which led to a dirty chamber and jam during the massacre. I believe that this saved many peoples lives.

I also believe that Holmes had no intention of living. When his AR jammed, he grabbed his glock handguns. If he had an empty shotgun, a jammed AR, and empty clips for the glocks, then he had nothing to protect himself with when he exited the theater to go back to his car, where he was met by police. Easy arrest.

Got to disagree with all of this. .223 or 5.56 mm rounds that are typically shot out of an AR 15 cost nowhere near a dollar per round. Ammoseek

The cheap Russian stuff can shoot dirty but is generally shootable in most of the most common AR builds like you would find at Cabelas or Bass Pro (which is where he reportedly acquired some of his weapons). Most everyone familiar with the AR platform agrees the weapon jammed due to him attempting to use the big 100 shot drum magazine. Those things are complete garbage and known by seasoned shooters to have FTFs on a constant basis. Had he just used 3 or 4 of the standard 30 shot mags he likely would not have jammed.

And I agree with the others who have posted in here that his plan all along was to surrender. He likely went to such extremes with protective gear to best ensure he would NOT be gunned down and would have the chance to surrender.

Those 100 round drum mags easily jam. Do we know how many rounds he got off with the AR 15?

The police are indicating they are not releasing any official details due to the ongoing investigation. Som of the rumors going around indicate witnesses say he only got off about 20 rounds before the weapon jammed. I did see it was a Bushmaster which is one of the entry level models and a bit less reliable.

The strange things this guy is apparently extremely bright and he obviously put tremendous efforts into researching and planning. Ay Internet gun forum will tell you how terrible those mags are.

 

[Rayderr]

I have an AR-15 and many other weapons. The cheapest .223 shells you can buy are Russian at around $1 a pop and they are widely know to dirty up your AR and to jam constantly. Quality ammo is much more expensive, but also very reliable in a clean, lubed AR-15. It is logical that James Holmes used Russian shells.

According to reports, James Holmes recently purchased all of his weapons. He was a newbie when it came to weapons and the sales clerks remember him asking a lot of questions. He would have practiced at a range or out in the middle of nowhere to prepare. It is likely that he did not clean and lube his AR after his practice rounds, which led to a dirty chamber and jam during the massacre. I believe that this saved many peoples lives.

I also believe that Holmes had no intention of living. When his AR jammed, he grabbed his glock handguns. If he had an empty shotgun, a jammed AR, and empty clips for the glocks, then he had nothing to protect himself with when he exited the theater to go back to his car, where he was met by police. Easy arrest.

Got to disagree with all of this. .223 or 5.56 mm rounds that are typically shot out of an AR 15 cost nowhere near a dollar per round. Ammoseek

The cheap Russian stuff can shoot dirty but is generally shootable in most of the most common AR builds like you would find at Cabelas or Bass Pro (which is where he reportedly acquired some of his weapons). Most everyone familiar with the AR platform agrees the weapon jammed due to him attempting to use the big 100 shot drum magazine. Those things are complete garbage and known by seasoned shooters to have FTFs on a constant basis. Had he just used 3 or 4 of the standard 30 shot mags he likely would not have jammed.

And I agree with the others who have posted in here that his plan all along was to surrender. He likely went to such extremes with protective gear to best ensure he would NOT be gunned down and would have the chance to surrender.

Those 100 round drum mags easily jam. Do we know how many rounds he got off with the AR 15?

The police are indicating they are not releasing any official details due to the ongoing investigation. Som of the rumors going around indicate witnesses say he only got off about 20 rounds before the weapon jammed. I did see it was a Bushmaster which is one of the entry level models and a bit less reliable.

The strange things this guy is apparently extremely bright and he obviously put tremendous efforts into researching and planning. Ay Internet gun forum will tell you how terrible those mags are.

If he only got off 20 rounds, plus the fact that he switched weapons a couple times, it seems that the argument that there would've been less injuries and fatalities if the large capacity magazines were banned is irrelevant.

 

[netnalp]

The attorney read a statement. The mother says her comments to ABC news were taken out of context. She was woken up around early in the the morning and asked her name and if she was the mother of James Holmes. Her, response was "Yes, you have the right person." ABC and other news sources speculated that meant she was indicating she had some knowledge or wasn't surprised her son committed those acts. Turns out she was simply confirming that she was the person the reporter was seeking to speak with.

I wrote earlier in the thread that this might be the case.

I can't blame ABC for jumping to the conclusion they did. My mother, who'd been in that situation like Holmes's mom with reporters taking thing out of context, jumped to the same conclusion ABC did.

 

[identikit]

The attorney read a statement. The mother says her comments to ABC news were taken out of context. She was woken up around early in the the morning and asked her name and if she was the mother of James Holmes. Her, response was "Yes, you have the right person." ABC and other news sources speculated that meant she was indicating she had some knowledge or wasn't surprised her son committed those acts. Turns out she was simply confirming that she was the person the reporter was seeking to speak with.I wrote earlier in the thread that this might be the case.I can't blame ABC for jumping to the conclusion they did. My mother, who'd been in that situation like Holmes's mom with reporters taking thing out of context, jumped to the same conclusion ABC did.

Yeah, that was misconstrued on about every network.

 

[FavreCo]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.

He just looked tired as #### to me.

He probably was. I imagine they've kept him up quite a bit for interrogation.

...and waterboarding hopefully.

 

[Zeff]

The attorney read a statement. The mother says her comments to ABC news were taken out of context. She was woken up around early in the the morning and asked her name and if she was the mother of James Holmes. Her, response was "Yes, you have the right person." ABC and other news sources speculated that meant she was indicating she had some knowledge or wasn't surprised her son committed those acts. Turns out she was simply confirming that she was the person the reporter was seeking to speak with.I wrote earlier in the thread that this might be the case.I can't blame ABC for jumping to the conclusion they did. My mother, who'd been in that situation like Holmes's mom with reporters taking thing out of context, jumped to the same conclusion ABC did.

Yeah, that was misconstrued on about every network.

Intentionally. See also: "You didn't build that." Makes good copy.

 

[FavreCo]

For you guys speculating on what his thought process was in court, watch Nancy Grace tonight. She'll give you the lowdown if she has 'the ugly one' on the show.

 

[StrikeS2k]

The attorney read a statement. The mother says her comments to ABC news were taken out of context. She was woken up around early in the the morning and asked her name and if she was the mother of James Holmes. Her, response was "Yes, you have the right person." ABC and other news sources speculated that meant she was indicating she had some knowledge or wasn't surprised her son committed those acts. Turns out she was simply confirming that she was the person the reporter was seeking to speak with.I wrote earlier in the thread that this might be the case.I can't blame ABC for jumping to the conclusion they did. My mother, who'd been in that situation like Holmes's mom with reporters taking thing out of context, jumped to the same conclusion ABC did.

Has ABC gotten anything right about story??

 

[FavreCo]

CNN currently analyzing his courtroom fakery. Waterboard the biotch.

 

[pollardsvision]

The attorney read a statement. The mother says her comments to ABC news were taken out of context. She was woken up around early in the the morning and asked her name and if she was the mother of James Holmes. Her, response was "Yes, you have the right person." ABC and other news sources speculated that meant she was indicating she had some knowledge or wasn't surprised her son committed those acts. Turns out she was simply confirming that she was the person the reporter was seeking to speak with.

I wrote earlier in the thread that this might be the case.

I can't blame ABC for jumping to the conclusion they did. My mother, who'd been in that situation like Holmes's mom with reporters taking thing out of context, jumped to the same conclusion ABC did.

Seems like a pretty low bar here.If that's what the reporter thought she meant, a very simple follow-up question would clear that up ("really? what makes you say that"). Obviously, it would make sense to dig further with a juicy answer like that.

And how does this reporter take this quote to an editor without the editor asking a few questions. What was the exact question you asked? What did she say when you asked how she knew?

This mistake is due to someone's incompetency or dishonesty. There are no other options.

 

[netnalp]

The attorney read a statement. The mother says her comments to ABC news were taken out of context. She was woken up around early in the the morning and asked her name and if she was the mother of James Holmes. Her, response was "Yes, you have the right person." ABC and other news sources speculated that meant she was indicating she had some knowledge or wasn't surprised her son committed those acts. Turns out she was simply confirming that she was the person the reporter was seeking to speak with.

I wrote earlier in the thread that this might be the case.

I can't blame ABC for jumping to the conclusion they did. My mother, who'd been in that situation like Holmes's mom with reporters taking thing out of context, jumped to the same conclusion ABC did.

Seems like a pretty low bar here.If that's what the reporter thought she meant, a very simple follow-up question would clear that up ("really? what makes you say that"). Obviously, it would make sense to dig further with a juicy answer like that.

And how does this reporter take this quote to an editor without the editor asking a few questions. What was the exact question you asked? What did she say when you asked how she knew?

This mistake is due to someone's incompetency or dishonesty. There are no other options.

I don't blame them for jumping to that conclusion. But they certainly should ask a few questions to make sure they are getting the right message. That's a failure on their part or they omitted that info because it wasn't going to get as much buzz as the mom thinking her son capable of the act.