Shooting At Aurora, Colorado Movie Theater (1 Viewer)

[pantherclub]

I'm all for people having the right to own a gun and follow the proper procedures. But why do civilians needed ore have the right to so extreme weapons.That part is where i struggle

The right to bear arms isn't in the Constitution so we can hunt deer. It's there so we can fight our government.

good luck with that

 

[Godsbrother]

I'm all for people having the right to own a gun and follow the proper procedures. But why do civilians needed ore have the right to so extreme weapons.That part is where i struggle

The right to bear arms isn't in the Constitution so we can hunt deer. It's there so we can fight our government.

or invading armies.

or go into a packed theater and blow away innocent people

 

[Rayderr]

I'm all for people having the right to own a gun and follow the proper procedures. But why do civilians needed ore have the right to so extreme weapons.That part is where i struggle

The right to bear arms isn't in the Constitution so we can hunt deer. It's there so we can fight our government.

or invading armies.

or go into a packed theater and blow away innocent people

I'm pretty sure that's not what the founding fathers had in mind.

 

[Rayderr]

How did a guy like this come up with the money to afford all the weapons and gear that he had?

Well, he's a college student, so he probably had about 40 credit cards and just maxed them out.

Student loans and financial could have helped him get it too.

Looks like you were right.

Holmes attended Colorado with the aid of a grant from the National Institutes of Health, which allowed the university to pay him a $26,000-a-year stipend for living expenses, university spokeswoman Jacque Montgomery said.

So, I guess James Holmes didn't kill those people, Obama did.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I havent been able to watch must news and this thread has become difficult to navigate through, so i may have missed updates.

Did they get into his apartment and disarm it? What was found? He thinks he is the joker still? Whats going on with him? Any motive or weird connections yet?

 

[Rayderr]

I havent been able to watch must news and this thread has become difficult to navigate through, so i may have missed updates. Did they get into his apartment and disarm it? What was found? He thinks he is the joker still? Whats going on with him? Any motive or weird connections yet?

Yes. Explosives. Yes. No idea. None announced by the police.

 

[belljr]

I havent been able to watch must news and this thread has become difficult to navigate through, so i may have missed updates. Did they get into his apartment and disarm it? What was found? He thinks he is the joker still? Whats going on with him? Any motive or weird connections yet?

They disarmed it, had some controlled detonations. They found some explosives and some batman stuff. Not a lot of info on what is found.Yes about joker.Nothing else really. I do like the Chief he's trying to keep everything hush

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

CNN and Solodad Obrien are horrible.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

CNN and Solodad Obrien are horrible.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Weekend Box Office: The Dark Knight Rises In Wake Of Tragedy To $161.1 Million

I didn't think Batman would do over $75M; I was wrong and I'm glad.

 

[3C's]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

 

[Bonzai]

Interesting, I can understand what you're saying and I certainly wouldn't dream of speaking for WP, but speaking for myself, the thoughts I've connected and taken away from that, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this situation. However, what strikes me about America is our desire to attach ourselves to number one, a winner, the best. I guess when I think of your tribalism analogy, you sort of live and die with your tribe in a human sense. Most recently this has been through nationalism when identifying with tribal tendencies. And yes, this goes for community and sports identifiers with respect to divisions inside of our own borders, be they the listed cases of religious choice, sports team, what part of the country you're in, what sort of social group you're in. Those lines exist, but what strikes me more is the desire for people to align themselves with a leader in a given field. I'm speaking in generalities, but why is it people will make their voting choice based who is leading at the polls. They will then refuse to vote for a losing candidate because they don't want to "waste" their vote. I work in media, and in the past decade or 15 years, there is now a pronounced, active sport in show BUSINESS. Why in the hell would the public care about the box office of a film? Its mind boggling, truly. But its almost as if to say, they want to be proud and part of a "winner" in going to the number one movie and no one wants to be alone seeing a bomb. Ditto television ratings. And this goes on and on in nearly all elements of society from bandwagons sports fans to where to buy your clothes so that you can be an "individual". The only place this seems to be an exception would seem to be in relgion, but I submit to the under 35 set, amongst blue staters at least, there is almost a stigma in faith, where people feel the need to align and be vocal in atheism, talking about it like an outsider choice when its really not a difficult choice based on peer group. Maybe it is via isolation and evolving socialization that are redefining our tribalism from a physical one to a digital one, and it being an avatar, me, Smack Tripper can be, say or project any way I want on here. I may be earnest as hell, I may be fishing, but the point is, there is little to keep me in one tribe versus joining another, outside of a middling socialization pressure. I'm a face in the crowd here, and a face in the crowd in real life, and unlike perhaps certain posters here who have defined and established a persona. A projection of what they have stood for, and I hate to define and delineate in this manner, but since so many people are relatively comfortable self identifying as liberal or conservative, and I suppose they are limited to their tribe, such that they risk being called a hypocrite. But if someone wants to be a whole other person, join a whole other tribe, they can do as simply as clicking "create new profile". It used to be harder work changing your tribe, and it was a choice with greater stakes. Now there is less connection, less stakes, and less value to interactions. How this relates to what we're talking about, I'm not sure, but it doesn't seem wholly disconnected either.

I've gone on too much today, so i'll just support ST's assertion that the phenomenon is something more than tribalism. Because our struggles have been so elemental for most of the first 10,000 yrs of civilization (and are for at least half the world at present), those of us for whom each day is no longer a life/death struggle feel the benefits of comfort at the cost of loss of personal power. In order to feel more purposeful, we invest personal interest in teams, sides & other public arenas of contest in order to fill our victory needs vicariously. Perhaps some other time i'll expand upon the origin & consequence of proxy dominance but, for now, i'll just say its similarity to tribalism is mostly mirage.

The Last Man sitting on his couch sublimating the Will To Power.

 

[Fennis]

Weekend Box Office: The Dark Knight Rises In Wake Of Tragedy To $161.1 Million

I didn't think Batman would do over $75M; I was wrong and I'm glad.

If Batman doesnt make $150 million then the terrorist have won.

 

[ATC1]

I'm all for people having the right to own a gun and follow the proper procedures. But why do civilians needed ore have the right to so extreme weapons.That part is where i struggle

The right to bear arms isn't in the Constitution so we can hunt deer. It's there so we can fight our government.

or invading armies.

or go into a packed theater and blow away innocent people

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

 

[placebo]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

According to this http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/did-aurora-co-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-try-luring-someone-into-apartmenthe was trying to lure someone in the apartment by having loud music on.

 

[Rayderr]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

According to this http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/did-aurora-co-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-try-luring-someone-into-apartmenthe was trying to lure someone in the apartment by having loud music on.

Lot of things don't make sense. I get wanting to hear if his bomb worked. I'm sure the police would've told him that even if he didn't offer up the information. He also could've fled the theater, and just watched/listened to the news to find out.

 

[[icon]]

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

Tear gas, sure... but bullet proof vests should not be illegal.

 

[ATC1]

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

Tear gas, sure... but bullet proof vests should not be illegal.

Why? What purpose does everyday citizens need bullet proof vest for? In case they get shot hunting? To wear everyday in case they get caught in a shootout?

 

[Mr. Soup Nazi]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

According to this http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/did-aurora-co-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-try-luring-someone-into-apartmenthe was trying to lure someone in the apartment by having loud music on.

Lot of things don't make sense. I get wanting to hear if his bomb worked. I'm sure the police would've told him that even if he didn't offer up the information. He also could've fled the theater, and just watched/listened to the news to find out.

I'm kind of confused as to why he didn't try to escape myself. Of course, I have no idea what his motives were, but with the environment he created, he could have easily gotten away by just taking off all of the gear and running out scared like everyone else.

 

[identikit]

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

Tear gas, sure... but bullet proof vests should not be illegal.

I doubt something approaching tear gas would be very hard to make from scratch if someone was motivated.

 

[Rayderr]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

According to this http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/did-aurora-co-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-try-luring-someone-into-apartmenthe was trying to lure someone in the apartment by having loud music on.

Lot of things don't make sense. I get wanting to hear if his bomb worked. I'm sure the police would've told him that even if he didn't offer up the information. He also could've fled the theater, and just watched/listened to the news to find out.

I'm kind of confused as to why he didn't try to escape myself. Of course, I have no idea what his motives were, but with the environment he created, he could have easily gotten away by just taking off all of the gear and running out scared like everyone else.

Hell, he probably could've gotten into his car and driven off. Unless the theater has cameras back there, no one would've seen him.

 

[ATC1]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

According to this http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/did-aurora-co-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-try-luring-someone-into-apartmenthe was trying to lure someone in the apartment by having loud music on.

Lot of things don't make sense. I get wanting to hear if his bomb worked. I'm sure the police would've told him that even if he didn't offer up the information. He also could've fled the theater, and just watched/listened to the news to find out.

I'm kind of confused as to why he didn't try to escape myself. Of course, I have no idea what his motives were, but with the environment he created, he could have easily gotten away by just taking off all of the gear and running out scared like everyone else.

That would have been disastrous. Only guessing.

He says he is the Joker. In the Dark Knight, the Joker gives himself up, tells the police there is a bomb.

 

[Mile High]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

According to this http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/did-aurora-co-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-try-luring-someone-into-apartmenthe was trying to lure someone in the apartment by having loud music on.

Lot of things don't make sense. I get wanting to hear if his bomb worked. I'm sure the police would've told him that even if he didn't offer up the information. He also could've fled the theater, and just watched/listened to the news to find out.

I'm kind of confused as to why he didn't try to escape myself. Of course, I have no idea what his motives were, but with the environment he created, he could have easily gotten away by just taking off all of the gear and running out scared like everyone else.

Hell, he probably could've gotten into his car and driven off. Unless the theater has cameras back there, no one would've seen him.

He didn't escape because he got caught. No way did he think the police would catch him within a few minutes. As far as he knew his plan had worked and the police were all at his apartment. His shotgun and hand gun were empty, his assault rifle had jammed. Hell he might have been trying to reload when he was caught.

 

[[icon]]

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

Tear gas, sure... but bullet proof vests should not be illegal.

Why? What purpose does everyday citizens need bullet proof vest for? In case they get shot hunting? To wear everyday in case they get caught in a shootout?

What's wrong with a citizen protecting themselves? Let's say you live in a bad part of town. Let's say you're someone who works in a bad part of town. Let's say you're just paranoid. Why on earth would you want to make a means of PROTECTING yourself illegal? Because once in a blue moon some maniac happens to don it for bad purposes? He wore a gas mask too. Should those be illegal for civilians as well? Why do you hate personal freedoms? I swear some people are dying to turn this country into a totalitarian regime.

 

[One]

He says he is the Joker. In the Dark Knight, the Joker gives himself up, tells the police there is a bomb.

Is this true? (I'm not well-versed with Batman movies)

 

[wikkidpissah]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

According to this http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/did-aurora-co-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-try-luring-someone-into-apartmenthe was trying to lure someone in the apartment by having loud music on.

Lot of things don't make sense. I get wanting to hear if his bomb worked. I'm sure the police would've told him that even if he didn't offer up the information. He also could've fled the theater, and just watched/listened to the news to find out.

Escape carries risk and his brand of narcissism would more want a long, contemplative life in which to rework his "masterwork" in his head - just as our penal system is about to give him. We can also expect him not to be very forthcoming in trial & beyond because the act, surrender, uncooperativeness in custody indicate one who will need to coddle an inner feeling of mastery about his deeds.

 

[cstu]

Interesting, I can understand what you're saying and I certainly wouldn't dream of speaking for WP, but speaking for myself, the thoughts I've connected and taken away from that, and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this situation.

However, what strikes me about America is our desire to attach ourselves to number one, a winner, the best. I guess when I think of your tribalism analogy, you sort of live and die with your tribe in a human sense. Most recently this has been through nationalism when identifying with tribal tendencies. And yes, this goes for community and sports identifiers with respect to divisions inside of our own borders, be they the listed cases of religious choice, sports team, what part of the country you're in, what sort of social group you're in. Those lines exist, but what strikes me more is the desire for people to align themselves with a leader in a given field. I'm speaking in generalities, but why is it people will make their voting choice based who is leading at the polls. They will then refuse to vote for a losing candidate because they don't want to "waste" their vote. I work in media, and in the past decade or 15 years, there is now a pronounced, active sport in show BUSINESS. Why in the hell would the public care about the box office of a film? Its mind boggling, truly. But its almost as if to say, they want to be proud and part of a "winner" in going to the number one movie and no one wants to be alone seeing a bomb. Ditto television ratings. And this goes on and on in nearly all elements of society from bandwagons sports fans to where to buy your clothes so that you can be an "individual". The only place this seems to be an exception would seem to be in relgion, but I submit to the under 35 set, amongst blue staters at least, there is almost a stigma in faith, where people feel the need to align and be vocal in atheism, talking about it like an outsider choice when its really not a difficult choice based on peer group.

Maybe it is via isolation and evolving socialization that are redefining our tribalism from a physical one to a digital one, and it being an avatar, me, Smack Tripper can be, say or project any way I want on here. I may be earnest as hell, I may be fishing, but the point is, there is little to keep me in one tribe versus joining another, outside of a middling socialization pressure. I'm a face in the crowd here, and a face in the crowd in real life, and unlike perhaps certain posters here who have defined and established a persona. A projection of what they have stood for, and I hate to define and delineate in this manner, but since so many people are relatively comfortable self identifying as liberal or conservative, and I suppose they are limited to their tribe, such that they risk being called a hypocrite. But if someone wants to be a whole other person, join a whole other tribe, they can do as simply as clicking "create new profile".

It used to be harder work changing your tribe, and it was a choice with greater stakes. Now there is less connection, less stakes, and less value to interactions.

How this relates to what we're talking about, I'm not sure, but it doesn't seem wholly disconnected either.

The bolded part is mind boggling to me as well. As a nation we are obsessed with money, even if it's a business we have no financial interest in or a celebrity we'll never meet. Besides people in the business no one should care about box office records. The same goes for how much Beyonce made last year. Amazingly, we even brag about how much our favorite companies made off of us (i.e. Apple).

 

[cstu]

Looks like our Dear Leader is going to address the nation tonight about the shooting.

Good to see that he is not trying to take advantage of a tragedy for political gain. What a worthless pile of dung.

hes the leader of the country. its pretty much in his job description

It's the president's job to go on television to talk about a crime in Colorado?

When was the last time the President didn't go out TV to speak about a major tragedy? Clinton spoke about Columbine - was that for political gain as well?

 

[Mile High]

He looks like a clown on drugs.

 

[identikit]

SOB being arraigned right now.

 

[Plorfu]

Looks like our Dear Leader is going to address the nation tonight about the shooting.

Good to see that he is not trying to take advantage of a tragedy for political gain. What a worthless pile of dung.

hes the leader of the country. its pretty much in his job description

It's the president's job to go on television to talk about a crime in Colorado?

When was the last time the President didn't go out TV to speak about a major tragedy? Clinton spoke about Columbine - was that for political gain as well?

Can't believe Reagan used the Challenger astronauts for political gain.

 

[[icon]]

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

Tear gas, sure... but bullet proof vests should not be illegal.

I doubt something approaching tear gas would be very hard to make from scratch if someone was motivated.

Of course. HEll.. napalm is easy as #### to make. Should we put orange juice concentrate behind the counter with the cigarettes and register the ID of anyone who wants to make some OJ? Some people are completely oblivious to the fact that Making stuff illegal does absolutely nothing to keep it out of the hands of these maniacs. It's pointless legislation.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

SOB being arraigned right now.

Going out of his way to appear nuts, IMO.

 

[Rayderr]

I really want to know the exchange that led to him spilling the beans about the rigged apartment. He must have really had a brain cramp when all that went down, and thank Jeebus for it.

I'm thinking he was curious to find out the effectiveness of it.

According to this http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/did-aurora-co-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-try-luring-someone-into-apartmenthe was trying to lure someone in the apartment by having loud music on.

Lot of things don't make sense. I get wanting to hear if his bomb worked. I'm sure the police would've told him that even if he didn't offer up the information. He also could've fled the theater, and just watched/listened to the news to find out.

I'm kind of confused as to why he didn't try to escape myself. Of course, I have no idea what his motives were, but with the environment he created, he could have easily gotten away by just taking off all of the gear and running out scared like everyone else.

Hell, he probably could've gotten into his car and driven off. Unless the theater has cameras back there, no one would've seen him.

He didn't escape because he got caught. No way did he think the police would catch him within a few minutes. As far as he knew his plan had worked and the police were all at his apartment. His shotgun and hand gun were empty, his assault rifle had jammed. Hell he might have been trying to reload when he was caught.

He got caught because he sat there by his car and waited for the police.

 

[identikit]

SOB being arraigned right now.

Going out of his way to appear nuts, IMO.

Looks like a crazy larper.

 

[[icon]]

SOB being arraigned right now.

Going out of his way to appear nuts, IMO.

 

[cstu]

I'm all for people having the right to own a gun and follow the proper procedures. But why do civilians needed ore have the right to so extreme weapons.

That part is where i struggle

Zombie apolcolypse.

The biggest threat - and the actual reason for the 2nd Amendment - is our own government. Obviously the probability of dictator or the military taking charge of America is extremely low, but I feel better that we have at least some defense against that happening - even at the expense of tragedies like this.

 

[ATC1]

It's not just the assault rifle. Why does a citizen need smoke bombs, explosives, bullet proof vests, tear gas? We know he bought the guns, do we know how he got his hands on this other stuff?

Tear gas, sure... but bullet proof vests should not be illegal.

Why? What purpose does everyday citizens need bullet proof vest for? In case they get shot hunting? To wear everyday in case they get caught in a shootout?

What's wrong with a citizen protecting themselves? Let's say you live in a bad part of town. Let's say you're someone who works in a bad part of town. Let's say you're just paranoid. Why on earth would you want to make a means of PROTECTING yourself illegal? Because once in a blue moon some maniac happens to don it for bad purposes? He wore a gas mask too. Should those be illegal for civilians as well? Why do you hate personal freedoms? I swear some people are dying to turn this country into a totalitarian regime.

I am one of the biggest advocates of personal freedoms (being able to CC in these so called "gun free zones") when it comes to self protection. I don't know of anyone that wears a bullet proof vest to work that is not a law enforcement officer. I have a choice to live or work in a bad part of town. Because you can not carry in the workplace (even though you should be able too), you wear a vest when you work everyday? I did not say anything about not being able to own a gas mask, but don't think you need to carry one around on you. It will draw unneeded attention.

 

[Rayderr]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

 

[identikit]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

Yeah, every channel's doing it. Same feed for everyone.

 

[[icon]]

I have a choice to live or work in a bad part of town.

Oh ####... someone should tell all those folks living in crappy neighborhoods that they need to quit choosing to live there. Glad we got that issue cleared right up.

 

[Smack Tripper]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

 

[pantagrapher]

From the CNN feed:

Police spokesman Frank Fania told CNN late Sunday that Holmes has been uncooperative with investigators and requested an attorney.

If The First 48 is any indicator, this typically means we won't be hearing much if anything from him. Ever.

 

[Rayderr]

Worst Joker Performance Ever.

 

[[icon]]

I am one of the biggest advocates of personal freedoms (being able to CC in these so called "gun free zones") when it comes to self protection. I don't know of anyone that wears a bullet proof vest to work that is not a law enforcement officer. I have a choice to live or work in a bad part of town. Because you can not carry in the workplace (even though you should be able too), you wear a vest when you work everyday? I did not say anything about not being able to own a gas mask, but don't think you need to carry one around on you. It will draw unneeded attention.

You don't know of anyone who wears a vest to work... does that mean they shouldn't be ABLE to if they chose to? Let's say I worked at a bank that wasn't in the best part of town and wanted to wear a vest. What place is it of the government to tell me that's illegal. Let's say my morning commute takes me through a bad area? What if I was a teller at a convenience store that has a high incidence of being robbed? There are tons of possible reasons why people might want to chose to wear a vest. ITs' a personal decision and outlawing vests only hurts those people. It does absolutely nothing to keep them out of the hands of guys like this. Again... the foolish mindset on outlawing anything is that somehow people think that makes it go away. It doesn't. Stop thinking that way.

 

[Ray Karpis]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

 

[ATC1]

I have a choice to live or work in a bad part of town.

Oh ####... someone should tell all those folks living in crappy neighborhoods that they need to quit choosing to live there. Glad we got that issue cleared right up.

It's a choice.

 

[Mile High]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

 

[ATC1]

I am one of the biggest advocates of personal freedoms (being able to CC in these so called "gun free zones") when it comes to self protection. I don't know of anyone that wears a bullet proof vest to work that is not a law enforcement officer. I have a choice to live or work in a bad part of town. Because you can not carry in the workplace (even though you should be able too), you wear a vest when you work everyday? I did not say anything about not being able to own a gas mask, but don't think you need to carry one around on you. It will draw unneeded attention.

You don't know of anyone who wears a vest to work... does that mean they shouldn't be ABLE to if they chose to? Let's say I worked at a bank that wasn't in the best part of town and wanted to wear a vest. What place is it of the government to tell me that's illegal. Let's say my morning commute takes me through a bad area? What if I was a teller at a convenience store that has a high incidence of being robbed? There are tons of possible reasons why people might want to chose to wear a vest. ITs' a personal decision and outlawing vests only hurts those people. It does absolutely nothing to keep them out of the hands of guys like this. Again... the foolish mindset on outlawing anything is that somehow people think that makes it go away. It doesn't. Stop thinking that way.

Point taken as long as someone with a vest isn't either looking for trouble or feels they able to be more "aggressive" because they have a vest. If you wear a vest, you should be knowledgeable first and foremost on how to avoid situations. The same with needing a mandatory self defense class if you want to carry. "I'll go through the bad part of town, but it's ok because I have a vest and a gun." The point I was trying to make is the media is discussing where he got the guns and how easy it is for someone to obtain these items of death. And yet, he can easily make and get his hands less regulated items then a gun that aided him in this attack.

 

[pantagrapher]

CNN.com feed keeps freezing. He has a bit of a "Holy crap, what did I do?" look.

I thought he was "trying" to look crazy. Could also be that he's cycling off anti-depressants right now

His crazy/tired/stoned thing looks like a complete "act" to me.

My take as an armchair psychiatrist is that this is how most insanity defenses get undermined: defendant acts too crazy. Truly insane people don't know they're insane*.*Possibly not completely and totally clinically true.