Shooting @ KC Chiefs facility--2 people shot (1 player) (1 Viewer)

[P-Dizzle]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

Being an American I can say this much -What the #### does your nationality have to do with this or what you posted?

A good number of Americans seem to mention god on such a subject like it means something. As someone who has rationally come to the conclusion that this is is nonsense, it irritates me that there would be an expectation for him to have any say in the matter, or for him to impose justice after the deed has been done.I say "as a non american" as a good number of Americans are still held under this illusion. Once you're dead, you're dead, He has evaded justice or accountability for murdering the mother of his child, regardless of the events that lead up to it. So suggesting that there will be some kind of final retribution is false.

Glad you're so in touch with our culture. What wonderful, all knowing, godless land do you come from?

UK, the land is far from godless, but I don't let such nonsense could matters such as this. To suggest that there will be some further retribution on Belcher for what he has done is an insult to all those involved IMO.

 

[kencav]

what's funny is how different this thread would be if he hadn't already closed the deal.everybody in here would be detailing their methods of torturing him to death, how they'd flip the switch and sleep like a baby, etc.the guy just beat all you guys to it.

My point exactly. I just can't stop thinking if Gd for I'd it was my kid that this punk just murdered in cold blood. He would not have even made it to the chiefs facility to kill himself.

ok tough guy

Never underestimate the rage of a provoked parent who just watch their child murdered...TOUGH GUY

Seriously. I'm pretty sure the reaction of almost every parent, and particularly father, would be to kill the guy instantly. And it has nothing to do with being a tough guy but rather paternal love and instinct.

Agreed. Anyone who thinks differently must not be a parent.As a father of a young daughter ditto....

 

[General Tso]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

Being an American I can say this much -What the #### does your nationality have to do with this or what you posted?

A good number of Americans seem to mention god on such a subject like it means something. As someone who has rationally come to the conclusion that this is is nonsense, it irritates me that there would be an expectation for him to have any say in the matter, or for him to impose justice after the deed has been done.I say "as a non american" as a good number of Americans are still held under this illusion. Once you're dead, you're dead, He has evaded justice or accountability for murdering the mother of his child, regardless of the events that lead up to it. So suggesting that there will be some kind of final retribution is false.

What's funny about this is that I think I am the only one in this entire thread to bring God into this, and I only did it because I mistakenly assumed that my Irish brethren Mad Sweeny (and who knows, maybe he's not even Irish) believed in God, and get this - I'm an agnostic!! So Mr. Dizzle is looking at one post Bringing up God in an entire 4 page thread - a post written by an agnostic to an atheist - and is already concluding that "a good number of Americans seem to mention god on a subject like this".Yet another good reason why we have a justice system in America based on facts, not emotion, with 12 people on the jury and not one.

 

[Sleeper 43]

People are missing the fact that the man was obviously sick (not in good mental health) when these acts were committed. Anyone who kills them self is not in the right state of mind. This being said how can you call the man a coward or wish further negativity upon him? If your family member was mentally ill alzheimers,schizophrenia etc... and committed an act of violence I doubt you would judge them the same way as if they made concise decision in cold blood. Think about the pilot who just lost his mind on that recent flight...its tragic but we are animals and animals sometimes get mentally sick for a myriad of reasons. No need for the hate.

When I read this, I thought Junior Seau and then I thought concussions. How could there be such a spike in recent years? I am assuming performance enhancing drugs making the game continue to get faster. More weight and more speed equals more impact.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Waiting for media to start blaming this on concussions.

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[Limp Ditka]

People are missing the fact that the man was obviously sick (not in good mental health) when these acts were committed. Anyone who kills them self is not in the right state of mind. This being said how can you call the man a coward or wish further negativity upon him? If your family member was mentally ill alzheimers,schizophrenia etc... and committed an act of violence I doubt you would judge them the same way as if they made concise decision in cold blood. Think about the pilot who just lost his mind on that recent flight...its tragic but we are animals and animals sometimes get mentally sick for a myriad of reasons. No need for the hate. When I read this, I thought Junior Seau and then I thought concussions. How could there be such a spike in recent years? I am assuming performance enhancing drugs making the game continue to get faster. More weight and more speed equals more impact.

Didn't the autopsy show no abnormalities in Seau's brain?

 

[rickyg]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

Being an American I can say this much -What the #### does your nationality have to do with this or what you posted?

A good number of Americans seem to mention god on such a subject like it means something. As someone who has rationally come to the conclusion that this is is nonsense, it irritates me that there would be an expectation for him to have any say in the matter, or for him to impose justice after the deed has been done.I say "as a non american" as a good number of Americans are still held under this illusion. Once you're dead, you're dead, He has evaded justice or accountability for murdering the mother of his child, regardless of the events that lead up to it. So suggesting that there will be some kind of final retribution is false.

Glad you're so in touch with our culture. What wonderful, all knowing, godless land do you come from?

UK, the land is far from godless, but I don't let such nonsense could matters such as this. To suggest that there will be some further retribution on Belcher for what he has done is an insult to all those involved IMO.

Yeah p dizzles you lost me at the part where you single out Americans for believing in Gd...that's just weird. The majority of the entire world believes in Gd and afterlife in some form. In fact, the belief that Americans have in Gd originated in the uk and Europe...you know, where the Vatican is? Not that I believe or don't believe in Gd...those are my personal beliefs about religion and I'm not going to blast them on a fantasy football forum. But the American part doesn't make sense.

 

[Ilov80s]

People are missing the fact that the man was obviously sick (not in good mental health) when these acts were committed. Anyone who kills them self is not in the right state of mind. This being said how can you call the man a coward or wish further negativity upon him? If your family member was mentally ill alzheimers,schizophrenia etc... and committed an act of violence I doubt you would judge them the same way as if they made concise decision in cold blood. Think about the pilot who just lost his mind on that recent flight...its tragic but we are animals and animals sometimes get mentally sick for a myriad of reasons. No need for the hate. When I read this, I thought Junior Seau and then I thought concussions. How could there be such a spike in recent years? I am assuming performance enhancing drugs making the game continue to get faster. More weight and more speed equals more impact.

It seems like he could have been in a fine state of mind when he killed himself. He was polite and gracious to Pioli and Romeo. He just killed his baby's mother and his longtime girlfriend. It makes perfect sense to kill yourself after that. What is there left to live for? How could you look people in the eyes after that?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

Being an American I can say this much -What the #### does your nationality have to do with this or what you posted?

A good number of Americans seem to mention god on such a subject like it means something. As someone who has rationally come to the conclusion that this is is nonsense, it irritates me that there would be an expectation for him to have any say in the matter, or for him to impose justice after the deed has been done.I say "as a non american" as a good number of Americans are still held under this illusion. Once you're dead, you're dead, He has evaded justice or accountability for murdering the mother of his child, regardless of the events that lead up to it. So suggesting that there will be some kind of final retribution is false.

Glad you're so in touch with our culture. What wonderful, all knowing, godless land do you come from?

UK, the land is far from godless, but I don't let such nonsense could matters such as this. To suggest that there will be some further retribution on Belcher for what he has done is an insult to all those involved IMO.

Yeah p dizzles you lost me at the part where you single out Americans for believing in Gd...that's just weird. The majority of the entire world believes in Gd and afterlife in some form. In fact, the belief that Americans have in Gd originated in the uk and Europe...you know, where the Vatican is? Not that I believe or don't believe in Gd...those are my personal beliefs about religion and I'm not going to blast them on a fantasy football forum. But the American part doesn't make sense.

I think the perception is that the catholic church isn't really all that much about god, while america has all the born again jesus freaks littering our schools with textbooks of jesus riding a dinosaur.which is probably all true.

 

[Ilov80s]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

Being an American I can say this much -What the #### does your nationality have to do with this or what you posted?

A good number of Americans seem to mention god on such a subject like it means something. As someone who has rationally come to the conclusion that this is is nonsense, it irritates me that there would be an expectation for him to have any say in the matter, or for him to impose justice after the deed has been done.I say "as a non american" as a good number of Americans are still held under this illusion. Once you're dead, you're dead, He has evaded justice or accountability for murdering the mother of his child, regardless of the events that lead up to it. So suggesting that there will be some kind of final retribution is false.

Glad you're so in touch with our culture. What wonderful, all knowing, godless land do you come from?

UK, the land is far from godless, but I don't let such nonsense could matters such as this. To suggest that there will be some further retribution on Belcher for what he has done is an insult to all those involved IMO.

Yeah p dizzles you lost me at the part where you single out Americans for believing in Gd...that's just weird. The majority of the entire world believes in Gd and afterlife in some form. In fact, the belief that Americans have in Gd originated in the uk and Europe...you know, where the Vatican is? Not that I believe or don't believe in Gd...those are my personal beliefs about religion and I'm not going to blast them on a fantasy football forum. But the American part doesn't make sense.

America is much more religious than Europe. I notice it in boxing all the time, American fighters almost always thank god, European fighters usually never mention god.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Yeah p dizzles you lost me at the part where you single out Americans for believing in Gd...that's just weird. The majority of the entire world believes in Gd and afterlife in some form. In fact, the belief that Americans have in Gd originated in the uk and Europe...you know, where the Vatican is? Not that I believe or don't believe in Gd...those are my personal beliefs about religion and I'm not going to blast them on a fantasy football forum. But the American part doesn't make sense.

If you don't mind me asking, why do you say "Gd" and not "god"/"God"?

 

[Sweet Feet]

very sad and tragic.. curious to find out why Belcher did what he did and or what he was going through to make him feel like this was the only choice

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I feel bad for Chiefs fans who are left to move forward. I don't believe the team should have to play tomorrow. Romeo Crennel ...how can that guy even concentrate on a game plan or what has to happen tomorrow after being right there when it happened?

That said I don't want to get into a debate with anyone. I feel sorrow for this woman and the child that was left behind who will one day learn of this horrific and tragic event. I really hope the few posts I have read where folks are fighting or invoking personal beliefs...please stop, this thread shouldn't be used as a soapbox or launch point for personal beliefs. There is a FFA which I would encourage folks to gather if they want to debate anything about what the woman may have done or not done, Belcher, just all of it should be dealt with over there because a lot of folks are going to get their feelings hurt in here if we let this spiral downward.

I was at the sports bar this afternoon when I first heard, just made me fall to one knee and I can only offer support for the fans in Kansas City and send T&P to the families and loved ones who have lost an incredible amount here in a very short time. Sorry Chiefs fans, you must be feeling like crap tonight, what a selfish place to end your life in the parking lot of the stadium that has had many memorable games over the years. Know the rest of the NFL fans feel for you and stand with you 100% on this.

 

[Short Corner]

Not being an American I can say this much -

Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.

There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

 

[Short Corner]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

Being an American I can say this much -What the #### does your nationality have to do with this or what you posted?

A good number of Americans seem to mention god on such a subject like it means something. As someone who has rationally come to the conclusion that this is is nonsense, it irritates me that there would be an expectation for him to have any say in the matter, or for him to impose justice after the deed has been done.I say "as a non american" as a good number of Americans are still held under this illusion. Once you're dead, you're dead, He has evaded justice or accountability for murdering the mother of his child, regardless of the events that lead up to it. So suggesting that there will be some kind of final retribution is false.

Glad you're so in touch with our culture. What wonderful, all knowing, godless land do you come from?

UK, the land is far from godless, but I don't let such nonsense could matters such as this. To suggest that there will be some further retribution on Belcher for what he has done is an insult to all those involved IMO.

Yeah p dizzles you lost me at the part where you single out Americans for believing in Gd...that's just weird. The majority of the entire world believes in Gd and afterlife in some form. In fact, the belief that Americans have in Gd originated in the uk and Europe...you know, where the Vatican is? Not that I believe or don't believe in Gd...those are my personal beliefs about religion and I'm not going to blast them on a fantasy football forum. But the American part doesn't make sense.

America is much more religious than Europe. I notice it in boxing all the time, American fighters almost always thank god, European fighters usually never mention god.

You mean those same European countries that still have church taxes?

 

[otb_lifer]

Lemme get this straight .. guy with the handle of "P-Dizzle" is telling people to ... grow up?

okey dokey.

 

[Otis]

According to ESPN, Belcher killed his girlfriend in front of her mother, drove to the practice facility and was found upset and sitting in his car by a member of the organization. Pioli and Crennel went to talk to Belcher in the parking lot. Belcher reportedly thanked Pioli and Crennel before killing himself in the car.Just awful.

Let me know where they bury this loser so I can #### on his grave.

stay classy

He murdered the mother of his child. I don't feel sorry about his death at all after that.

Sort of a fair point. Tragic story, but hard to feel bad for the murderer of all the people affected by this story.

 

[P-Dizzle]

Yeah p dizzles you lost me at the part where you single out Americans for believing in Gd...that's just weird. The majority of the entire world believes in Gd and afterlife in some form. In fact, the belief that Americans have in Gd originated in the uk and Europe...you know, where the Vatican is?

Not that I believe or don't believe in Gd...those are my personal beliefs about religion and I'm not going to blast them on a fantasy football forum.

But the American part doesn't make sense.

You know the vast majority of europeans aren't catholic?

Blast them all you like, this is a thread about a man who murdered his partner (circumstances yet to be determined, but I think we can all agree that there's no justification for it) and it will undoubtedly turn into one of personal beliefs. My objection is to those (on this forum and elsewhere) suggesting that him taking his own life is any kind of justice, and that a god will be sure to punish him for what he's done. That, to me, is arrant nonsense.

 

[Ilov80s]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

Being an American I can say this much -What the #### does your nationality have to do with this or what you posted?

A good number of Americans seem to mention god on such a subject like it means something. As someone who has rationally come to the conclusion that this is is nonsense, it irritates me that there would be an expectation for him to have any say in the matter, or for him to impose justice after the deed has been done.I say "as a non american" as a good number of Americans are still held under this illusion. Once you're dead, you're dead, He has evaded justice or accountability for murdering the mother of his child, regardless of the events that lead up to it. So suggesting that there will be some kind of final retribution is false.

Glad you're so in touch with our culture. What wonderful, all knowing, godless land do you come from?

UK, the land is far from godless, but I don't let such nonsense could matters such as this. To suggest that there will be some further retribution on Belcher for what he has done is an insult to all those involved IMO.

Yeah p dizzles you lost me at the part where you single out Americans for believing in Gd...that's just weird. The majority of the entire world believes in Gd and afterlife in some form. In fact, the belief that Americans have in Gd originated in the uk and Europe...you know, where the Vatican is? Not that I believe or don't believe in Gd...those are my personal beliefs about religion and I'm not going to blast them on a fantasy football forum. But the American part doesn't make sense.

America is much more religious than Europe. I notice it in boxing all the time, American fighters almost always thank god, European fighters usually never mention god.

You mean those same European countries that still have church taxes?

http://www.americanhumanist.org/hnn/archives/index.php?id=281&article=0.

a survey of the United States and the five largest countries in Western Europe reveals that religious belief continues to plummet in Europe, with Italy being the only country with a majority believing in any form of God ...Harris Poll, for the Financial Times, conducted a large survey on religious beliefs in France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Spain and the U.S. The U.S. was the most religious country, with 73 percent of respondents describing themselves as believers in "any form of God

 

[larry_boy_44]

There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

I've avoided posting in this, because its tragic and the worst thing we could do is turn this into an argument instead of just giving condolences and moving on.But here's the thing, no matter how ridiculous you might think it is to believe in a god, its just as ridiculous to absolutely state that there isn't one (and its completely out of place to say it in a place like this).

 

[Ministry of Pain]

There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

I've avoided posting in this, because its tragic and the worst thing we could do is turn this into an argument instead of just giving condolences and moving on.But here's the thing, no matter how ridiculous you might think it is to believe in a god, its just as ridiculous to absolutely state that there isn't one (and its completely out of place to say it in a place like this).

Atheist and I agree with you. This is neither the time or place and the owners of this place actually have a designated area where you can discuss all this.

 

[Phenix]

According to ESPN, Belcher killed his girlfriend in front of her mother, drove to the practice facility and was found upset and sitting in his car by a member of the organization. Pioli and Crennel went to talk to Belcher in the parking lot. Belcher reportedly thanked Pioli and Crennel before killing himself in the car.Just awful.

Let me know where they bury this loser so I can #### on his grave.

You sound like a great guy.

About as great as you for feeling sorry for a murderer and a man who left his child parentless.I am a great guy, to show him remorse lets us know the kind of guy you are.

 

[dickey moe]

Apparently CBS thought it was important to discuss the IDP ramifications...

Some dude in one of my leagues posted a "That's tragic" on our message boards then rushed to pick up Belcher's replacement on the WW. Bad, bad, karma.

 

[Sweet Feet]

According to ESPN, Belcher killed his girlfriend in front of her mother, drove to the practice facility and was found upset and sitting in his car by a member of the organization. Pioli and Crennel went to talk to Belcher in the parking lot. Belcher reportedly thanked Pioli and Crennel before killing himself in the car.Just awful.

Let me know where they bury this loser so I can #### on his grave.

You sound like a great guy.

About as great as you for feeling sorry for a murderer and a man who left his child parentless.I am a great guy, to show him remorse lets us know the kind of guy you are.

I dont think anyone feels sorry for Belcher but sad for the situation.. but who is anyone here to cast judgement or make rude remarks because a young man made a horrible mistake?

 

[Phenix]

People are missing the fact that the man was obviously sick (not in good mental health) when these acts were committed. Anyone who kills them self is not in the right state of mind. This being said how can you call the man a coward or wish further negativity upon him? If your family member was mentally ill alzheimers,schizophrenia etc... and committed an act of violence I doubt you would judge them the same way as if they made concise decision in cold blood. Think about the pilot who just lost his mind on that recent flight...its tragic but we are animals and animals sometimes get mentally sick for a myriad of reasons. No need for the hate. When I read this, I thought Junior Seau and then I thought concussions. How could there be such a spike in recent years? I am assuming performance enhancing drugs making the game continue to get faster. More weight and more speed equals more impact.

Have you ever heard of impulse? He did not have to be sick to do this, just be angry.Many people kill who are very sane, they just do not like societies rules. Not very hard to understand.Someone who does something just because it is illegal or immorally wrong to some does not mean they have mental issues, lol, the way of thinking in this country cracks me up. I believe him to just be an angry man who had regrets, obviously to turn the gun on himself.

 

[Phenix]

According to ESPN, Belcher killed his girlfriend in front of her mother, drove to the practice facility and was found upset and sitting in his car by a member of the organization. Pioli and Crennel went to talk to Belcher in the parking lot. Belcher reportedly thanked Pioli and Crennel before killing himself in the car.Just awful.

Let me know where they bury this loser so I can #### on his grave.

You sound like a great guy.

About as great as you for feeling sorry for a murderer and a man who left his child parentless.I am a great guy, to show him remorse lets us know the kind of guy you are.

I dont think anyone feels sorry for Belcher but sad for the situation but who is anyone here to cast judgement or make rude remarks because a young man made a horrible mistake?

I'm a person who does not kill, thats who I am.You have got to be kidding me with your comment. Who are we? We are not murders, I hope.

 

[footballnerd]

My question is going to be how the Chiefs handle this. Will they take a moment of silence for Belcher? Or do they just act like nothing happened? I am torn since I don't think they should do anything for Belcher, but to ignore it is also probably not the right answer. And what a hard post game interview it is going to be for Coach Crennel since you know questions about this will be raised.

I'm sure they say something about the lady killed and a moment of silence for the family. Doubt they say anything about the murderer.

NFL Network is giving this the silent screen, glossy pictures of Belcher to commercial treatment. Seems very wrong, like they can somehow wipe out the murder part of today's horrible event.

yeah, I think that's the part that a few people find objectionable.the guy was a pro football player who offed himself in a dramatic scene in front of his coaches, like a scene from a movie -- meanwhile, his victim was nobody we ever heard of.if he had stabbed her to death in a fit of rage and ran off to hide in a car trunk somewhere, or to look for the real killers, I doubt many people would have much sympathy for him.if you had reversed this, and it was the gf who shot him and then run off and killed herself, we'd all be lamenting the loss of such a great guy at the hands of some crazy nut.I doubt there'd be any moments of silence for the gf before the game, or that they'd give her a pic montage anywhere, or tweets of solidarity.the phil hartman tragedy is largely viewed as a tragedy due to the loss of phil hartman, not the crazy wife.the whole thing is clearly a terrible tragedy, the world doesn't need that pointed out, but it's kind of funny how the circumstances change the guy from an assailant to a victim in the story.

sounds like the McNair tragedy

 

[Max Power]

I feel bad for Chiefs fans who are left to move forward. I don't believe the team should have to play tomorrow. Romeo Crennel ...how can that guy even concentrate on a game plan or what has to happen tomorrow after being right there when it happened?

I'm conflicted on how the NFL dealt with going forward with the game tomorrow. Give the organization time to grieve. Just because Crennel and some team captains say they want to play, doesn't mean the NFL should get to cite that as a reason to go ahead with it. These guys are warriors, and just because they may way they are fine, doesn't mean they really are.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

Being an American I can say this much -What the #### does your nationality have to do with this or what you posted?

A good number of Americans seem to mention god on such a subject like it means something. As someone who has rationally come to the conclusion that this is is nonsense, it irritates me that there would be an expectation for him to have any say in the matter, or for him to impose justice after the deed has been done.I say "as a non american" as a good number of Americans are still held under this illusion. Once you're dead, you're dead, He has evaded justice or accountability for murdering the mother of his child, regardless of the events that lead up to it. So suggesting that there will be some kind of final retribution is false.

Illusion huh? So you come to that conclusion on your own? Good for you... God for meLets not make this a religious debate... bottom line is today was a horrible day for all of those involved and regardless of what anybody believes or doesnt believe there have been a lot of people affected by the decisions that were made today

 

[Sweet Feet]

I'm a person who does not kill, thats who I am.You have got to be kidding me with your comment. Who are we? We are not murders, I hope.

Sorry, Im just not one to cast down stones upon anothers mistake. What he did was wrong and I do not condone his horrible acts.

 

[Phenix]

I'm a person who does not kill, thats who I am.You have got to be kidding me with your comment. Who are we? We are not murders, I hope.

Sorry, Im just not one to cast down stones upon anothers mistake. What he did was wrong and I do not condone his horrible acts.

A mistake?A mistake is leaving money in your jeans when you wash clothes.A mistake is not intentionally taking someones life.I'm sorry you can not understand the difference between the two my friend.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I feel bad for Chiefs fans who are left to move forward. I don't believe the team should have to play tomorrow. Romeo Crennel ...how can that guy even concentrate on a game plan or what has to happen tomorrow after being right there when it happened?

I'm conflicted on how the NFL dealt with going forward with the game tomorrow. Give the organization time to grieve. Just because Crennel and some team captains say they want to play, doesn't mean the NFL should get to cite that as a reason to go ahead with it. These guys are warriors, and just because they may way they are fine, doesn't mean they really are.

I do think the crowd at Arrowhead is gonna have a major impact; If like half the crowd stays home or the place feels empty...not good. If the fans come out in big support of the team and get behind them, could be a very moving experience. I wish they had moved the game back a day but I also was reading JB's thread and a lot of folks bring up money...that probably is the overriding factor.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I feel bad for Chiefs fans who are left to move forward. I don't believe the team should have to play tomorrow. Romeo Crennel ...how can that guy even concentrate on a game plan or what has to happen tomorrow after being right there when it happened?

I'm conflicted on how the NFL dealt with going forward with the game tomorrow. Give the organization time to grieve. Just because Crennel and some team captains say they want to play, doesn't mean the NFL should get to cite that as a reason to go ahead with it. These guys are warriors, and just because they may way they are fine, doesn't mean they really are.

did they say they were fine?

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

terrible, terrible news. T &P to both the GF and Belchers families, as well as the whole Chiefs orginization.Don't see any reason whatsoever to play this game tomorrow. Chiefs need time to process this. They need to either re-schedule for Monday (still probably not enough time) or cancel all together. 1-10 team vs 3-8 team - no playoff implications on the line, chiefs not in any real danver of altering their draft position. I say cancel the game and treat it as a tie in the standings.

Draft pick order is at stake. The game is not being cancelled. It could be postponed by a day. The league is not going to cancel a game because some jerk player killed himself and another person.

This. The economic implications alone dictate this.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Apparently CBS thought it was important to discuss the IDP ramifications...

so what? People that get mad at life going on need to get a clue...

 

[Max Power]

I feel bad for Chiefs fans who are left to move forward. I don't believe the team should have to play tomorrow. Romeo Crennel ...how can that guy even concentrate on a game plan or what has to happen tomorrow after being right there when it happened?

I'm conflicted on how the NFL dealt with going forward with the game tomorrow. Give the organization time to grieve. Just because Crennel and some team captains say they want to play, doesn't mean the NFL should get to cite that as a reason to go ahead with it. These guys are warriors, and just because they may way they are fine, doesn't mean they really are.

did they say they were fine?

They told the NFL to go ahead with the game tomorrow. From the wording of the statement the Chiefs released, it sounded like the NFL was willing to work with them.

 

[Judge Smails]

People are missing the fact that the man was obviously sick (not in good mental health) when these acts were committed. Anyone who kills them self is not in the right state of mind. This being said how can you call the man a coward or wish further negativity upon him? If your family member was mentally ill alzheimers,schizophrenia etc... and committed an act of violence I doubt you would judge them the same way as if they made concise decision in cold blood. Think about the pilot who just lost his mind on that recent flight...its tragic but we are animals and animals sometimes get mentally sick for a myriad of reasons. No need for the hate. When I read this, I thought Junior Seau and then I thought concussions. How could there be such a spike in recent years? I am assuming performance enhancing drugs making the game continue to get faster. More weight and more speed equals more impact.

It seems like he could have been in a fine state of mind when he killed himself. He was polite and gracious to Pioli and Romeo. He just killed his baby's mother and his longtime girlfriend. It makes perfect sense to kill yourself after that. What is there left to live for? How could you look people in the eyes after that?

This.

 

[Sweet Feet]

I'm a person who does not kill, thats who I am.You have got to be kidding me with your comment. Who are we? We are not murders, I hope.

Sorry, Im just not one to cast down stones upon anothers mistake. What he did was wrong and I do not condone his horrible acts.

A mistake?A mistake is leaving money in your jeans when you wash clothes.A mistake is not intentionally taking someones life.I'm sorry you can not understand the difference between the two my friend.

You're tough talking a dead man so I'm sorry that you feel the need to be rude and irrational. Javon Belcher answers to none of us.. period.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

this is probably a good reason not to own a gun -- in case you make a mistake and shoot your family.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Dexter McCluster @dextermcclusterTimes like this you have to pray!!! I love you man, brothers for life!!!! #chiefs

not much of a commitment, btw.

If kool-aid Larry makes it through this thread without a TO it will be a miracle.(But I laughed)

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Not being an American I can say this much -Tragic event, clearly something must've driven him to this situation but nothing can justify murdering the mother of your child in cold blood, let alone taking your life after.There is no god, the monotheist god has no basis at all, so I don't understand why you invoke him into this subject at all. Grow up please, individuals are accountable for their actions and death is a way of escaping justice. In this case I imagine it's that he couldn't come to terms with what he's just done and has no intention of living his life knowing that he deprived his child of it's mother.

I think it more likely didn't want to go to prison for life.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Apparently CBS thought it was important to discuss the IDP ramifications...

Some dude in one of my leagues posted a "That's tragic" on our message boards then rushed to pick up Belcher's replacement on the WW. Bad, bad, karma.

Why? That move was karma neutral.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I feel bad for Chiefs fans who are left to move forward. I don't believe the team should have to play tomorrow. Romeo Crennel ...how can that guy even concentrate on a game plan or what has to happen tomorrow after being right there when it happened?

I'm conflicted on how the NFL dealt with going forward with the game tomorrow. Give the organization time to grieve. Just because Crennel and some team captains say they want to play, doesn't mean the NFL should get to cite that as a reason to go ahead with it. These guys are warriors, and just because they may way they are fine, doesn't mean they really are.

Millions of dollars are at stake. Why should fans that flew in from Carolina and local vendors get screwed because a few people died tragically? I don't get this mentality.

 

[Jewell]

I'm a person who does not kill, thats who I am.You have got to be kidding me with your comment. Who are we? We are not murders, I hope.

Sorry, Im just not one to cast down stones upon anothers mistake. What he did was wrong and I do not condone his horrible acts.

A mistake?A mistake is leaving money in your jeans when you wash clothes.A mistake is not intentionally taking someones life.I'm sorry you can not understand the difference between the two my friend.

You're tough talking a dead man so I'm sorry that you feel the need to be rude and irrational. Javon Belcher answers to none of us.. period.

He sounds rational.This idea that nobody can judge is what's irrational.  We're members of the same society in which Belcher and the victims live.  We have the right, I'd suggest even a duty, to castigate taking the life of other members of our society.Taking the 'nobody can judge' mentality to the extreme, why do we even have laws and courts then?  We should just wait and have God judge when the person dies since nobody on Earth can judge.This society had less crime when their was a collective judging and shaming of egregious actions, and cultures like Japan that maintain that collective judging and shaming still have less crime.Besides, we're not talking about judging someone as looking like a criminal because they have too many tattoos like the recent Colin Kaepernick brouhaha.  We're talking about judging actual criminal behavior, and murder at that.And there's plenty of judging and tough talking of dead people.  It's usually called history.  Were Jeffrey Dahmer, Adolf Hitler, and Timothy McVeigh good people, bad people, or who are we to judge a dead man?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Apparently CBS thought it was important to discuss the IDP ramifications...

Some dude in one of my leagues posted a "That's tragic" on our message boards then rushed to pick up Belcher's replacement on the WW. Bad, bad, karma.

Why? That move was karma neutral.

as mentioned in the last line of that cbs blurb, and based on a crappy match up, I'm pretty sure this will turn out to be karma negative.

 

[Mario Kart]

I have not seen the name Javon Walker in this thread at all. It can be argued that he was never the same type of player after he witnessed what he did. Not saying Coach Crenell and the GM will ever "be normal" again but I do hope they also seek some kind of help.

Other than the families of the young lady and the player, the two above as well as the mother need the most support and help from this. And, I hope they each receive it.

 

[Max Power]

I feel bad for Chiefs fans who are left to move forward. I don't believe the team should have to play tomorrow. Romeo Crennel ...how can that guy even concentrate on a game plan or what has to happen tomorrow after being right there when it happened?

I'm conflicted on how the NFL dealt with going forward with the game tomorrow. Give the organization time to grieve. Just because Crennel and some team captains say they want to play, doesn't mean the NFL should get to cite that as a reason to go ahead with it. These guys are warriors, and just because they may way they are fine, doesn't mean they really are.

Millions of dollars are at stake. Why should fans that flew in from Carolina and local vendors get screwed because a few people died tragically? I don't get this mentality.

The players are still people too. If some Chiefs said they dont want to play tomorrow, are you ok with that? Its like the NFL is fine putting a bad product on the field as long as there is money to show for it? And we all KNOW this is the case. It was a horrible event that happened today. And no its not fair to the fans who flew in, but sometimes life gets in the way of games. Its just something you have to deal with. In the end, it doesn't matter, the Game will go on.

 

[menobrown]

Apparently CBS thought it was important to discuss the IDP ramifications...

Some dude in one of my leagues posted a "That's tragic" on our message boards then rushed to pick up Belcher's replacement on the WW. Bad, bad, karma.

I think if Belcher played for the Patriots he'd officially be listed as questionable.

 

[letter_j]

I think if Belcher played for the Patriots he'd officially be listed as questionable.

Oof

 

[Philogelos]

In fact, the belief that Americans have in Gd originated in the uk and Europe...you know, where the Vatican is?

christianity originated in italy? that's a new one.