Should 2 Pt. Conversion Score for the Special Teams Unit? (1 Viewer)

[jcuadrado]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

 

[Shep7]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.Any insight will be appreciated.Thanks,J

I have never heard a league with this sort of scoring. Typically it is scored for the QB and WR/RB/TE if it is a passing play and just the ball carrier on a running play.

 

[Routilla]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.Any insight will be appreciated.Thanks,J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

 

[jcuadrado]

I didn't think so either...hoping to get a bunch of feedback.

 

[elshagon]

no, but it depends how your league's scoring is set-up. Nothing wrong with it counting as a ST score as long as that was spelled out at the draft.

 

[big_donkey]

It is NOT a D/ST play. Two points go to Collins & Hall, no yardage givin. I would check with your commish or league site. You will come out the winner on this one. Congrats

 

[T.A.]

J

The "J" schtick is already taken. hth

 

[Black]

Never seen it. Usually just goes to the skill position players that get it.

It did cross my mind though...I was actually wondering why Kickers aren't lumped in with DEF/ST...guess that would be too murky.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

 

[shredhead]

I have Tenn D/ST in a league on rtsports. I did not get any points for the 2 pt conversion. It must be something in the way your leagues scoring is set up. I would ask your commish about it, couldn't hurt.

 

[davearm]

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

Wrong. The formation a play is run from has no bearing on the scoring.

 

[FUBAR]

If and only if extra point kicks are usually counted as DST points.

The PK is part of the ST, so if I'm playing in a ST league (all of mine give points to the player for return points) I want the PK to be considered part of the ST. To be frank, I don't like DST scoring.

 

[JHuber77]

 

[yesitsme]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

Maybe for your league........but AGAIN, it depends on YOUR league's scoring. That same play resulted in a Patriot DST in my league and I do believe in that situation, your special teams should get credit for a TD. Too many people think that what happens in their league out of the 100,000 leagues that are out there is the end all. You'd be surprised at the many rules, good and bad that are out there.

 

[jcuadrado]

I have Tenn D/ST in a league on rtsports. I did not get any points for the 2 pt conversion. It must be something in the way your leagues scoring is set up. I would ask your commish about it, couldn't hurt.

strange then....I checked league D/ST rules and all it states is return and punt return TDs...nothing about 2 pt conversions...I emailed RT about it....waiting patiently for a response..thanks for the feedback....

 

[wadegarrett]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

Maybe for your league........but AGAIN, it depends on YOUR league's scoring.

Exactly.

 

[jcuadrado]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

Maybe for your league........but AGAIN, it depends on YOUR league's scoring.

Exactly.

and even more interesting....this is how RT scored it:Tennessee Titans 2XP pass (2.00 pts)

DST rules say this and only this:

Category Special Teams Rule Modified

Scores 1 rule defined:

For position: Def/STs

* 6 points for each kickoff return touchdown.

* 6 point(s) for each punt return touchdown.

---

Length of Special Teams Touchdowns No rules defined. N/A

Total Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Total Kickoff Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Total Combined Kickoff And Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

 

[TheDirtyWord]

 

[blackjack23]

Its week 8. Surely this is not the first 2 pt conversion scored this year so you have no reason to complain now.

 

[jcuadrado]

Its week 8. Surely this is not the first 2 pt conversion scored this year so you have no reason to complain now.

not complaining, just trying to get clarification....and since a 2pt conversion hasn't happened for my team or against me until now I wouldn't know. I don't check everyone's points every week.thanks for the feedback though.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

Maybe for your league........but AGAIN, it depends on YOUR league's scoring. That same play resulted in a Patriot DST in my league and I do believe in that situation, your special teams should get credit for a TD. Too many people think that what happens in their league out of the 100,000 leagues that are out there is the end all. You'd be surprised at the many rules, good and bad that are out there.

It doesn't matter whose league it is, the only league that matters, the National Football League, gave Adam Vinatieri a TD pass. That's good enough for me.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

Maybe for your league........but AGAIN, it depends on YOUR league's scoring. That same play resulted in a Patriot DST in my league and I do believe in that situation, your special teams should get credit for a TD. Too many people think that what happens in their league out of the 100,000 leagues that are out there is the end all. You'd be surprised at the many rules, good and bad that are out there.

Obviously every league is different, but scoring this way opens you up to all sorts of interpretive problems. If a team fakes a field goal and the QB throws a TD pass, 99% of people would probably think the QB should get credit for the TD pass. Or what about a direct snap on a fake punt to a RB or WR? Distinctions by down also don't work for obvious reasons.IMHO, the easiest way to separate them is this way: in some situations a team fields players that score individual fantasy points (offensive plays, kick/conversion attempts), in other situations only the team can score fantasy points (kickoff returns, punt returns).

The only sticking points here is what happens when the "team" gets the ball through a kickoff/punt/turnover, and then turns the ball back over to the offense on the same play. You have to decide if you want those to count as "individual" or "team" opportunities.

Anyway, just my thoughts, having dealt with this before repeatedly as a commish.

 

[Dreamer]

Check your previous weeks scoring report and see how the last 2 pt. conversions have been scored.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

No.

 

[jcuadrado]

Check your previous weeks scoring report and see how the last 2 pt. conversions have been scored.

previous weeks gave 2 pts to the Special Teams....it's never affected my team so I never noticed.

 

[bcr8f]

No I don't think so. The special teams is on the sidelines and the offense is running the play.

 

[puckalicious]

and even more interesting....this is how RT scored it:Tennessee Titans 2XP pass (2.00 pts)DST rules say this and only this:Category Special Teams Rule ModifiedScores 1 rule defined:For position: Def/STs * 6 points for each kickoff return touchdown. * 6 point(s) for each punt return touchdown. ---Length of Special Teams Touchdowns No rules defined. N/ATotal Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/ATotal Kickoff Return Yardage No rules defined. N/ATotal Combined Kickoff And Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Based on your rules, your commish must go back and remove all the 2pt conversions from all team defense scoring. It is NOT in your rules.Unless your league has been doing this for some time knowingly and just has not correctly adjusted the web page to reflect this. "spirit" of the law vs. "intent" of the law.

 

[blackjack23]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

Maybe for your league........but AGAIN, it depends on YOUR league's scoring.

Exactly.

and even more interesting....this is how RT scored it:Tennessee Titans 2XP pass (2.00 pts)

DST rules say this and only this:

Category Special Teams Rule Modified

Scores 1 rule defined:

For position: Def/STs

* 6 points for each kickoff return touchdown.

* 6 point(s) for each punt return touchdown.

---

Length of Special Teams Touchdowns No rules defined. N/A

Total Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Total Kickoff Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Total Combined Kickoff And Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

RTSports scoring works like this. Under the category passing 2 pt conversions, the commissioner can click what positions are eligible to receive 2 pts for any 2 pt conversion pass. His options are QB, RB, WR, TE, K, D/ST. I guarantee he has all those positions checked off. SO technically its not under the D/ST scoring but under the 2 pt conversion scoring.

 

[jcuadrado]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

Maybe for your league........but AGAIN, it depends on YOUR league's scoring.

Exactly.

and even more interesting....this is how RT scored it:Tennessee Titans 2XP pass (2.00 pts)

DST rules say this and only this:

Category Special Teams Rule Modified

Scores 1 rule defined:

For position: Def/STs

* 6 points for each kickoff return touchdown.

* 6 point(s) for each punt return touchdown.

---

Length of Special Teams Touchdowns No rules defined. N/A

Total Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Total Kickoff Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Total Combined Kickoff And Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

RTSports scoring works like this. Under the category passing 2 pt conversions, the commissioner can click what positions are eligible to receive 2 pts for any 2 pt conversion pass. His options are QB, RB, WR, TE, K, D/ST. I guarantee he has all those positions checked off. SO technically its not under the D/ST scoring but under the 2 pt conversion scoring.

BINGO....you got it..it's right there black and white. Pretty lame scoring....but it is what it is. Thanks for catching that....I didn't.

 

[burd]

the only way i could possibly see the Def/ST getting the points on a 2 point conversion is in a situation when the snap gets muffed on an extra point kick and then the kicker runs into the endzone for the 2 point conversion. In your case, the OFFENSE was on the field, not the Def/ST ... you got screwed

 

[Dreamer]

Check your previous weeks scoring report and see how the last 2 pt. conversions have been scored.

previous weeks gave 2 pts to the Special Teams....it's never affected my team so I never noticed.

Has it affected the outcome of a game?

 

[TommyGilmore]

IF the Special Teams unit had been on the field and run some sort of fake play, THEN I could understand MAYBE giving the 2 points to the ST unit.

But this was just a regular offensive play. Does your league give ALL 2-yard TDs to the Special Teams unit???

 

[Sputnikv8]

Check your previous weeks scoring report and see how the last 2 pt. conversions have been scored.

previous weeks gave 2 pts to the Special Teams....it's never affected my team so I never noticed.

Has it affected the outcome of a game?

Ya, here lies the problem. If its only being brought up now, the commish is going to be locked in to leaving things as they are. Unless he's going to go back and retroactively change everything which could cause all sorts of issues.It sure seems like the scoring is messed up, but, halfway thru the regular fantasy season, I don't see how *you* will get special consideration.G'luck.

 

[jcuadrado]

Check your previous weeks scoring report and see how the last 2 pt. conversions have been scored.

previous weeks gave 2 pts to the Special Teams....it's never affected my team so I never noticed.

Has it affected the outcome of a game?

just checked...no it didn't. I'm not going to create a HUGE stink over it even though it is a pretty ridiculous rule. But it has been in place since the beginning of the season....I just never noticed since it never occurred to me that this could happen. I mean c'mon....2 pts to Special Team for a 2 pt conversion where the QB throws a pass!!!This is a big reason why I don't use ST in the leagues I commish...too many crazy things could happen.

 

[talbott]

Lost by a pt.... RT Sports counted the 2 point conversion from Kerry Collins to Arhmad Hall as a Special Teams play. So Kerry Collins, Hall and the Tennessee Special Teams got 2 points.

Is that right? Not #####ing or moaning.....I'm just curious. The way I see it is why wouldn't the Special Teams get 1 pt after a regular extra point kick then? They are on the field when it happens. For the 2 point conversion the offense is on the field....I say offense because their is a QB, RB, WRs, etc.

Any insight will be appreciated.

Thanks,

J

No points for the ST. The offense took the field with QB, RB and WRs etc. If it had been a fake extra point and the kicker or holder produced the conversion then it would have been points for the ST.

I disagree with this part. I don't think a 2 pt conversion is ever points for the DST. If the kicker or holder runs it in, then they are the "rusher" and would get the two points. A few years back, Adam Vinatieri threw a TD pass on a fake FG, he got credit for the TD pass, the Patriots DST did not get credit for a TD. This would be no different.

Maybe for your league........but AGAIN, it depends on YOUR league's scoring.

Exactly.

and even more interesting....this is how RT scored it:Tennessee Titans 2XP pass (2.00 pts)

DST rules say this and only this:

Category Special Teams Rule Modified

Scores 1 rule defined:

For position: Def/STs

* 6 points for each kickoff return touchdown.

* 6 point(s) for each punt return touchdown.

---

Length of Special Teams Touchdowns No rules defined. N/A

Total Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Total Kickoff Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

Total Combined Kickoff And Punt Return Yardage No rules defined. N/A

RTSports scoring works like this. Under the category passing 2 pt conversions, the commissioner can click what positions are eligible to receive 2 pts for any 2 pt conversion pass. His options are QB, RB, WR, TE, K, D/ST. I guarantee he has all those positions checked off. SO technically its not under the D/ST scoring but under the 2 pt conversion scoring.

But that still doesn't exonerate RTSports for what is clearly a screwup. Neither the Titans Defense, nor their special teams were on the field during the two point conversion. It is POSSIBLE for the special teams to get a two point conversion (muffed snap on extra point that leads to a run or pass into the end zone). Just because the commissioner has allowed for the possibility that the ST could score in this way should not mandate that every two point conversion is attributed to the special teams.ETA: can see the argument (and it's possibly more accurate) to say that the ST wouldn't get the two point conversion on a muff, that it would just be scored as an offensive play. However, even using that assumption, the DT/ST still didn't get the two point conversion, and RTSports shouldn't be scoring it as it apparently is.

 

[Wrigley]

It doesn't matter whose league it is, the only league that matters, the National Football League, gave Adam Vinatieri a TD pass. That's good enough for me.

really?

 

[TommyGilmore]

It doesn't matter whose league it is, the only league that matters, the National Football League, gave Adam Vinatieri a TD pass. That's good enough for me.

really?

Yes, although that's kind of beside the point.

 

[davearm]

If and only if the football is actually kicked (punt, kickoff, placekick) do you have a ST play. Every other play in every other circumstance is offense vs. defense.