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Should college athletes be paid? (1 Viewer)

Should college athletes be paid?

  • Yes

    Votes: 34 58.6%

  • No

    Votes: 23 39.7%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Total voters
    58
Brendon1215

Brendon1215

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Should college athletes be paid?

I'm not sure exactly how I feel about this one.

Although, I do know that not being able to sign footballs, jerseys, etc. to put up for sale is absolutely ridiculous. It almost seems as if your property of someone else (the NCAA) and only they (the NCAA) can profit off of you without having to do anything. The whole "you get free college" argument by the NCAA is outdated and truly no longer works, considering they're not the one's forking out the money for your college...they're just making cash off of you & your likeness. 

Anyways...what are your thoughts?

 
No.

Eff those guys. They get an education that people would kill for. If they are too stupid to take advantage of that then it's on the student athlete.

I'd rather they put any excess dollars to making college more affordable for the rest of the students on campus who will work themselves to the bone paying off their student debt.

 
Treynwreck3 said:
It's already happening in the power five conferences, maybe more far reaching than that.
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Oh, yes it is -- you're right.

ChiefD said:
No.

Eff those guys. They get an education that people would kill for. If they are too stupid to take advantage of that then it's on the student athlete.

I'd rather they put any excess dollars to making college more affordable for the rest of the students on campus who will work themselves to the bone paying off their student debt.
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But what does the NCAA bring to the table to help the athlete support their broke families? The NCAA does not pay for their college... 

 
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I say if they want to get paid, make them pay for their own surgeries then (should they need any). They already get a free $100k, $200k education. It's almost like an incentive to get in the training room and stay healthy.

 
ShamrockPride said:
I say if they want to get paid, make them pay for their own surgeries then (should they need any). They already get a free $100k, $200k education. It's almost like an incentive to get in the training room and stay healthy.
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Again...what does the NCAA provide the athlete from a financial perspective? Nobody can seem to answer this question. They sit down and rake hundreds of millions of dollars from 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 year old young men & women but can't give the athlete a dime to feed his family who doesn't know where their next meal is going to come from. Mind you, they don't have the time to have jobs and IF they had a job, the NCAA would throw a fit because they're getting paid for it. 

 
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ShamrockPride said:
I say if they want to get paid, make them pay for their own surgeries then (should they need any). They already get a free $100k, $200k education. It's almost like an incentive to get in the training room and stay healthy.
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If you get hurt at work. Lets say something falls on you. Are you responsible to pay for surgeries? 

 
I should have said that there are conferences that have voted for paying athletes a "stipend". The NCAA has the issue tied up in court and won a court ruling against paying athletes last fall. So, no it's not legally happening right now, but it will likely happen, through litigation, programs leaving the NCAA, or other means.

 
Brendon1215 said:
Again...what does the NCAA provide the athlete from a financial perspective? Nobody can seem to answer this question. They sit down and rake hundreds of millions of dollars from 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 year old young men & women but can't give the athlete a dime to feed his family who doesn't know where their next meal is going to come from. Mind you, they don't have the time to have jobs and IF they had a job, the NCAA would throw a fit because they're getting paid for it. 
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Agreed and the thing is the NCAA actively prevents them from working. Wouldn't want your slaves, errr, STU-DENT ATH-O-LETES doing something you can't control.

 
Can we just adopt the basic income guarantee already so athletes don't have to worry so much about their starving families.

 
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They probably should be compensated, but I don't see it happening. First and foremost, the whole "student athlete" mythology is sacrosanct to the NCAA and they aren't inclined to change course. Then you get into which sports generate revenue and which don't. Do you pay the women's badminton team the same rate as your men's football or basketball team? If you base the salary on revenue, then you've created an elitist hierarchy even worse than what already exists, and the academic side becomes even more of a farce. If you pay them all the same, then it's probably going to be a nominal sum since you're talking about hundreds of athletes at most schools. And will there be varying salaries at different schools and does that become a recruiting advantage? 

 
Brendon1215 said:
But what does the NCAA bring to the table to help the athlete support their broke families? The NCAA does not pay for their college... 
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They provide a platform for athletes to showcase their abilities while developing their skills at top notch facilities.  And they get a free college education, which for the vast majority is going to have more to do with their future earnings.  Only a very very select few will make a living playing football...

A star college football player gets as much from playing at an Alabama or Ohio State as the university gets from them.  That's the reason why they go to the Alabamas and Ohio States...

 
McGarnicle said:
They probably should be compensated, but I don't see it happening. First and foremost, the whole "student athlete" mythology is sacrosanct to the NCAA and they aren't inclined to change course. Then you get into which sports generate revenue and which don't. Do you pay the women's badminton team the same rate as your men's football or basketball team? If you base the salary on revenue, then you've created an elitist hierarchy even worse than what already exists, and the academic side becomes even more of a farce. If you pay them all the same, then it's probably going to be a nominal sum since you're talking about hundreds of athletes at most schools. And will there be varying salaries at different schools and does that become a recruiting advantage? 
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That's why I say No.   Its too complicated.

 
ChiefD said:
No.

Eff those guys. They get an education that people would kill for. If they are too stupid to take advantage of that then it's on the student athlete.

I'd rather they put any excess dollars to making college more affordable for the rest of the students on campus who will work themselves to the bone paying off their student debt.
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Student athlete is a BS term coined by the NCAA.  Players in major college sports are not students first, second or third.  They are athletic employees of the university that are paid primarily through room and board.  And they have also received stipends off and on over the years as suits the whims of the universities.  

As for profits, they're largely are none.  Only the biggest programs make any money.  The vast majority of major athletics are subsidized by student fees and tuition that could be spent in various things like classrooms and faculty.  Instead, the fees go to making palatial facilities in a never ending arms race against other programs.  Oh yeah, and coaches salaries.  In 41 states the highest paid state employee is a university athletic coach.  

Bottom line, administrators, coaches, the NCAA, bowl committees, and the networks are all making enormous sums off the labor of mainly black, mainly poorly educated, and entirely underpaid young men.  The entire institution is shameful.

Hell, they're basically on par with FIFA.

 
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Dexter said:
Agreed and the thing is the NCAA actively prevents them from working. Wouldn't want your slaves, errr, STU-DENT ATH-O-LETES doing something you can't control.
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When student athletes were allowed to work, big-time programs (like my alma mater in basketball) abused the system (by finding jobs for players at businesses of alumni -- no work but big pay) to the point where it had to be outlawed.  

 
dparker713 said:
Student athlete is a BS team coined by the NCAA.  Players in major college sports are not students first, second or third.  They are athletic employees of the university that are paid primarily through room and board.  And they have also received stipends off and on over the years as suits the whims of the universities.  

As for profits, they're largely are none.  Only the biggest programs make any money.  The vast majority of major athletics are subsidized by student fees and tuition that could be spent in various things like classrooms and faculty.  Instead, he fees go to making palatial facilities in a never ending arms race against other programs.  Oh yeah, and coaches salaries.  In 41 states the highest paid state employee is a university athletic coach.  

Bottom line, administrators, coaches, the NCAA, bowl committees, and the networks are all making enormous sums off the labor of mainly black, mainly poorly educated, and entirely underpaid young men.  The entire institution is shameful.

Hell, they're basically on par with FIFA.
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There is no law saying anyone has to go to college...

 
Prince Myshkin said:
They provide a platform for athletes to showcase their abilities while developing their skills at top notch facilities.  And they get a free college education, which for the vast majority is going to have more to do with their future earnings.  Only a very very select few will make a living playing football...

A star college football player gets as much from playing at an Alabama or Ohio State as the university gets from them.  That's the reason why they go to the Alabamas and Ohio States...
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Nick Saban: $7.09 Million

Urban Meyer: $5.86 Million

Yep, quite equitable...

 
dparker713 said:
Student athlete is a BS team coined by the NCAA.  Players in major college sports are not students first, second or third.  They are athletic employees of the university that are paid primarily through room and board.  And they have also received stipends off and on over the years as suits the whims of the universities.  

As for profits, they're largely are none.  Only the biggest programs make any money.  The vast majority of major athletics are subsidized by student fees and tuition that could be spent in various things like classrooms and faculty.  Instead, he fees go to making palatial facilities in a never ending arms race against other programs.  Oh yeah, and coaches salaries.  In 41 states the highest paid state employee is a university athletic coach.  

Bottom line, administrators, coaches, the NCAA, bowl committees, and the networks are all making enormous sums off the labor of mainly black, mainly poorly educated, and entirely underpaid young men.  The entire institution is shameful.

Hell, they're basically on par with FIFA.
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This is the best post I've seen all day. 

 
Prince Myshkin said:
When student athletes were allowed to work, big-time programs (like my alma mater in basketball) abused the system (by finding jobs for players at businesses of alumni -- no work but big pay) to the point where it had to be outlawed.  
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Seems like a good reason to outlaw it.

 
McGarnicle said:
They probably should be compensated, but I don't see it happening. First and foremost, the whole "student athlete" mythology is sacrosanct to the NCAA and they aren't inclined to change course. Then you get into which sports generate revenue and which don't. Do you pay the women's badminton team the same rate as your men's football or basketball team? If you base the salary on revenue, then you've created an elitist hierarchy even worse than what already exists, and the academic side becomes even more of a farce. If you pay them all the same, then it's probably going to be a nominal sum since you're talking about hundreds of athletes at most schools. And will there be varying salaries at different schools and does that become a recruiting advantage? 
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I would say a fair payment plan would be to pay athletes based on revenue received for ticket sales.

Badminton brought in16k at the door this season? Find a way to divide that up amongst the badminton players.

Football brought in1.6M at the door? Find a way to divide that up amongst the football players.

 
Schools don't have to pay them at all. But if Booster Bob wants to buy Reggie Bush and his mom a house...... no problem.

 
Brendon1215 said:
That's like saying let's not build roads, bridges, airports, subways, buildings, etc. because it's "difficult." Pure nonsense. 
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Terrible analogy.   Those things aren't difficult.   They take time and money, but the solution is easy.  There's no easy, straight forward solution to this issue.  

 
Yes - it would be tricky for a lot of the reasons McG pointed out, but everyone is making money off these kids' bodies except the kids themselves.

 
Prince Myshkin said:
When student athletes were allowed to work, big-time programs (like my alma mater in basketball) abused the system (by finding jobs for players at businesses of alumni -- no work but big pay) to the point where it had to be outlawed.  
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But not for anything having to do with education. 

 
dparker713 said:
Don't do the right thing because it's difficult?  That's messed up.
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Why is it the right thing? You do realize that only about 1.5% of these athletes are good enough to play in the NFL, right???

Big time college football players are not treated poorly.  Food, team apparel, books, room and board, tuition, tutors, access to the best training equipment and trainers

 
Prince Myshkin said:
Why is it the right thing? You do realize that only about 1.5% of these athletes are good enough to play in the NFL, right???

Big time college football players are not treated poorly.  Food, team apparel, books, room and board, tuition, tutors, access to the best training equipment and trainers
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That doesn't matter...The NCAA is not paying for their food, apparel, books, etc...TAX PAYERS ARE! 

Who cares if they'll never play in the NFL, NBA, etc. What does that have to do with anything? College athletics is a FREE farm league to the NFL, NBA, etc...

Again...nobody can answer my question. What does the NCAA provide (financially) for the ATHLETE while they're in college? Here's the answer: NOTHING!

 
We should collect all the money generated and spread it out over every student athlete.   It will be like one of those big class action lawsuits where some big bank pays like a billion dollars and every custom gets like 10 bucks.   

 
Prince Myshkin said:
Why is it the right thing? You do realize that only about 1.5% of these athletes are good enough to play in the NFL, right???

Big time college football players are not treated poorly.  Food, team apparel, books, room and board, tuition, tutors, access to the best training equipment and trainers
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And every other student is allowed to sell their books for whatever someone will pay for them or be taken to lunch by a mentor in their chosen field. 

 
NutterButter said:
Terrible analogy.   Those things aren't difficult.   They take time and money, but the solution is easy.  There's no easy, straight forward solution to this issue.  
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Your solution is to allow these people to continue to be exploited because its tough to figure a solution.

 
Brendon1215 said:
That doesn't matter...The NCAA is not paying for their food, apparel, books, etc...TAX PAYERS ARE! 

Who cares if they'll never play in the NFL, NBA, etc. What does that have to do with anything? College athletics is a FREE farm league to the NFL, NBA, etc...

Again...nobody can answer my question. What does the NCAA provide (financially) for the ATHLETE while they're in college? Here's the answer: NOTHING!
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By that logic, the players don't provide anything financially to the NCAA...the TICKETPAYERS ARE!!!

 
Prince Myshkin said:
By that logic, the players don't provide anything financially to the NCAA...the TICKETPAYERS ARE!!!
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Really? So football games, bowl games, jersey sales, etc. don't financially benefit the NCAA? Using a players jersey and selling it is making money off the player and their likeness. 

 
Yankee23Fan said:
And every other student is allowed to sell their books for whatever someone will pay for them or be taken to lunch by a mentor in their chosen field. 
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But not every other student is allowed to work out at the team facilities....or play football in front of 75,000 fans...seems like a pretty good deal to me

and  :lmao:  yeah I know I came out way to the good on those textbook deals.  Buy them for $200 each, sell them back for $10.  I'm sure most college students would take the no pay/no sell option that the athletes get

 
Brendon1215 said:
Really? So football games, bowl games, jersey sales, etc. don't financially benefit the NCAA? Using a players jersey and selling it is making money off the player and their likeness. 
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Those monies don't come directly from the player to the NCAA though, just like the benefits I described didn't come directly from the NCAA to the player.

 
Prince Myshkin said:
When student athletes were allowed to work, big-time programs (like my alma mater in basketball) abused the system (by finding jobs for players at businesses of alumni -- no work but big pay) to the point where it had to be outlawed.  
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I don't understand why that is a bad thing.

 
Brendon1215 said:
Really? So football games, bowl games, jersey sales, etc. don't financially benefit the NCAA? Using a players jersey and selling it is making money off the player and their likeness. 
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Really? So free tuition room and board, the meals, etc don't financially benefit the "student-athlete"? See where we're going with this?

 
Prince Myshkin said:
But not every other student is allowed to work out at the team facilities....or play football in front of 75,000 fans...seems like a pretty good deal to me

and  :lmao:  yeah I know I came out way to the good on those textbook deals.  Buy them for $200 each, sell them back for $10.  I'm sure most college students would take the no pay/no sell option that the athletes get
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Nothing you wrote makes sense or is relevant to the arguments in support of the NCAA.  But I'll be blunt, no argument that is based on the idea that they already get enough is relevent, logical, important, supporting of the NCAA own position or worthy of comment. It's a fallacy to even think it is necessary to say.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
Nothing you wrote makes sense or is relevant to the arguments in support of the NCAA.  But I'll be blunt, no argument that is based on the idea that they already get enough is relevent, logical, important, supporting of the NCAA own position or worthy of comment. It's a fallacy to even think it is necessary to say.
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It was in reference to your out of nowhere comment that regular students could sell back textbooks or get a meal bought by a mentor...things that players cannot do.  

I was pointing out that the student athletes, these poor, mistreated, downtrodden, pariahs of college campuses, do actually receive some benefits that the normal, tuition-paying student-non-athletes do not get.  HTH

 
Dexter said:
If my job out sourced me to a place that was going to pay me big bucks and I didn't have to show up it's not against any laws.
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OK...I thought we were talking about college athletics.  

ETA - does the situation you described sound like a system that is going to be sustainable for long? 

 
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