Should David Carr impact Derek Carr's rating? (1 Viewer)

[GregR]

Forget which network I was watching, but one of the analysts said he'd been told by some teams that their rating of Derek Carr was impacted by David Carr's career.

Do you think it should? My immediate gut reaction was it shouldn't. And then whoever it was on TV mentioned how the view of Eli before his draft was impacted because he was Peyton's brother. And that gave me pause.

I felt it was a mistake to downgrade Derek Carr because of David... yet I felt more comfortable with upgrading Eli because of Peyton, and probably fair to say because of Archie Manning. I can kind of argue both sides of whether a brother's career should impact a rating or not.

Interesting tidbit I picked up in the Shark Pool earlier this year... there have been a lot of brothers who have both been NFL QBs, and the younger brother has pretty much never clearly been the better QB. At the time I found a list of all brothers who have ever played in the NFL and want to say it was well over a dozen, maybe even approaching 18 pairs of brothers though it's a bit hazy now.

 

[bigmarc27]

I'd say there's a 75% chance Derek Carr drops because of his brother.

 

[ZWK]

David Carr was a better quarterback than Bryan Savage. Why would we count the brother's failure to become an NFL star against Derek but not against Tom?

"His brother was the best quarterback in the world at one time" seems like a good sign for a QB prospect (although I wouldn't give it a ton of weight in my evaluation). "His brother was roughly the 50th best quarterback in the world at one time" seems neutral or slightly positive. "His brother was roughly the 500th best quarterback in the world at one time" seems pretty much irrelevant.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I'd say there should be a near equal impact in both scenarios, but it's incredibly minimal. If you put all the factors on some sort of 100 point scale and each were a 50 before this last factor, I'd adjust Eli to a 51 or 52 due to Payton and Derek to a 48 or 49. So... VERY minimal, but there is something to a kid's upbringing, etc.

 

[John 14:6]

I'd say there's a 75% chance Derek Carr drops because of his brother.

subconsciously...

 

[GregR]

I'd say there should be a near equal impact in both scenarios, but it's incredibly minimal. If you put all the factors on some sort of 100 point scale and each were a 50 before this last factor, I'd adjust Eli to a 51 or 52 due to Payton and Derek to a 48 or 49. So... VERY minimal, but there is something to a kid's upbringing, etc.

Which factors do you think are most worthwhile to look at the sibling for?

 

[lod01]

The correct answer is absolutely.

At NFL QB, I don't believe there has ever been a younger brother that outperformed his older brother statistically.

Mannings

Vicks

Hasselbecks

Palmers

Huards

McCowns

Simms

Rodgers

Carr may have a shot because his brother absolutely sucked.

 

[GregR]

I still had the link in my history. There's a pdf off this page that has a list of all 364 sets of brothers who have played pro football. Not all of them QBs obviously. http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stats/brothers.aspx

 

[lod01]

I still had the link in my history. There's a pdf off this page that has a list of all 364 sets of brothers who have played pro football. Not all of them QBs obviously. http://www.profootballhof.com/history/stats/brothers.aspx

Thanks for that. We can add the Detmer, Booty and Brashaw brothers where the older one outperformed the younger one.