Should i do this deal? (1 Viewer)

[wtu311]

Was offered Ellsbury and Votto for my Bay also who would i drop?

Im considering this because i feel Votto could replace Bays power numbers and Ellsbury gives me speed my team lacks. Or if there anything else on his team that makes more sense in a trade

Need some opinions

10 team

year 2 of 3 year keeper, standard league

MY TEAM:

C:Mauer

1b:Tex

2b:Avilles

3b:Arod, Gordon

ss:Jeter

IF: Weeks

OF:Bay,Victorino,Carlos Lee, Ethier, N. Cruz, C. Gomez, Spilborgs

DH: Ortiz

SP:Gallardo,F. Hernandez, Zambrano, Cain, Verlander, Jurjens, Weaver, U.Jimenez

RP: Bell,Devine,Motte

HIS TEAM:

C:Hernandez

1bujos

2bolanco

3b:Longoria

SS:Furcal

IF:Berkman,Votto,Encarnacion

OF:Soriano,Ellsbury,Manny,Milledge,Adam jones,Dye,Taveres

SP:Lackey,Lester,Slowey,J.Johnson,Morrow,Scherzer,Pettitte

 

[Limp Ditka]

If this is a 5X5, you really need steals.

I'd do it and drop Weeks, put Votto in your IF spot.

 

[Kraft...]

I'd take that deal in a second in a keeper league, run don't walk

 

[MAC_32]

If you believe Ellsbury will leadoff all year, yes, in a heartbeat. I'm not totally convinced that'll be the case though. I'd take it regardless, but I don't think this is the slam dunk I expect others to think it is.

 

[wtu311]

If this is a 5X5, you really need steals.I'd do it and drop Weeks, put Votto in your IF spot.

Well its year 2 of a 3yr and we only keep 7 keeper and the end of the yearBut yes i need steals pretty bad

 

[Jason Wood]

I would do the deal, even though I'm not crazy about Votto as many others are, I still think you upgrade your team all things being equal.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Got this tidbit from another site... very good point, IMO.

Lineup position can have a pronounced impact on a player's counting stats, but it is often discounted on draft day. For instance, Jason Bay's ADP is currently 34.53. Bay spent most of the past four seasons batting #3/4, albeit in Pittsburgh. In 2009, he is projected to bat no higher than #6 and potentially #7. Will he really reach 100 RBI and even 90-95 R from that spot? Matt Kemp (37.97 ADP) will usually bat #7 as well, right behind Russell Martin (44.35). It is not that lineup position necessarily makes any player a worse hitter, but it can definitely cost a hitter 40-80 PAs, not to mention RBI opportunities and run-scoring chances (unrelated to AB totals). I love Kemp and Bay, but I have Kemp as my 18th-rated OF and Bay as my 20th-rated OF this season.

 

[MAC_32]

Got this tidbit from another site... very good point, IMO.

Lineup position can have a pronounced impact on a player's counting stats, but it is often discounted on draft day. For instance, Jason Bay's ADP is currently 34.53. Bay spent most of the past four seasons batting #3/4, albeit in Pittsburgh. In 2009, he is projected to bat no higher than #6 and potentially #7. Will he really reach 100 RBI and even 90-95 R from that spot? Matt Kemp (37.97 ADP) will usually bat #7 as well, right behind Russell Martin (44.35). It is not that lineup position necessarily makes any player a worse hitter, but it can definitely cost a hitter 40-80 PAs, not to mention RBI opportunities and run-scoring chances (unrelated to AB totals). I love Kemp and Bay, but I have Kemp as my 18th-rated OF and Bay as my 20th-rated OF this season.

Yep, this is why I made the comment I did. I'd be concerned of Ellsbury spending some time this year in the 9 hole instead of leading off.

 

[cosjobs]

I would do the deal, even though I'm not crazy about Votto as many others are, I still think you upgrade your team all things being equal.

my thoughts

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

He doesn't need steals - Taveras will swipe 100...just ask him.

Target Lester and Votto for Bay and Weaver....

 

[s_ezy]

definately do this deal

 

[wtu311]

thanks guys, i did the deal and immediately getting offers for both players most interesting one is Votto,Ellsbury,Gallardo for Crawford,D.Lee,CC

debating on this one

 

[Mr. Pickles]

thanks guys, i did the deal and immediately getting offers for both players most interesting one is Votto,Ellsbury,Gallardo for Crawford,D.Lee,CCdebating on this one

Do not want.

 

[thehornet]

If you believe Ellsbury will leadoff all year, yes, in a heartbeat. I'm not totally convinced that'll be the case though. I'd take it regardless, but I don't think this is the slam dunk I expect others to think it is.

WHy do you think this? I am from Boston and it is well known that Ellsbury is firmly entrenched in the leadoff spot.

 

[MAC_32]

If you believe Ellsbury will leadoff all year, yes, in a heartbeat. I'm not totally convinced that'll be the case though. I'd take it regardless, but I don't think this is the slam dunk I expect others to think it is.

WHy do you think this? I am from Boston and it is well known that Ellsbury is firmly entrenched in the leadoff spot.

A .336 OBP, a 3.5% 2nd half 2008 BB rate, and his two month slump midseason 2008. Lots of reasons to believe his stay in leadoff may be short lived.

 

[harryhood]

do not turn ellsbury and votto around for anything having to do with D LEE.

 

[wtu311]

do not turn ellsbury and votto around for anything having to do with D LEE.

yeah i agree he now offered Crawford,CC for Ellsbury,Ortiz,Gallardo, that seems more realistic since i could put Cruz in the Util spot to hopefully replace Ortiz's power and could use a pitching upgrade

 

[thehornet]

If you believe Ellsbury will leadoff all year, yes, in a heartbeat. I'm not totally convinced that'll be the case though. I'd take it regardless, but I don't think this is the slam dunk I expect others to think it is.

WHy do you think this? I am from Boston and it is well known that Ellsbury is firmly entrenched in the leadoff spot.

A .336 OBP, a 3.5% 2nd half 2008 BB rate, and his two month slump midseason 2008. Lots of reasons to believe his stay in leadoff may be short lived.

not really, considering the skip isnt moving him from the 1 spot.

 

[the moops]

thanks guys, i did the deal and immediately getting offers for both players most interesting one is Votto,Ellsbury,Gallardo for Crawford,D.Lee,CCdebating on this one

Crawford,CC for Ellsbury,Ortiz,Gallardo

You turned down the first one, and now are interested in the 2nd one???That is crazy talk.

 

[MAC_32]

If you believe Ellsbury will leadoff all year, yes, in a heartbeat. I'm not totally convinced that'll be the case though. I'd take it regardless, but I don't think this is the slam dunk I expect others to think it is.

WHy do you think this? I am from Boston and it is well known that Ellsbury is firmly entrenched in the leadoff spot.

A .336 OBP, a 3.5% 2nd half 2008 BB rate, and his two month slump midseason 2008. Lots of reasons to believe his stay in leadoff may be short lived.

not really, considering the skip isnt moving him from the 1 spot.

If he bats like he did in April, May, and September he won't.If he bats like he did in the middle of the season he'd be dumb not to.

 

[thehornet]

If you believe Ellsbury will leadoff all year, yes, in a heartbeat. I'm not totally convinced that'll be the case though. I'd take it regardless, but I don't think this is the slam dunk I expect others to think it is.

WHy do you think this? I am from Boston and it is well known that Ellsbury is firmly entrenched in the leadoff spot.

A .336 OBP, a 3.5% 2nd half 2008 BB rate, and his two month slump midseason 2008. Lots of reasons to believe his stay in leadoff may be short lived.

not really, considering the skip isnt moving him from the 1 spot.

If he bats like he did in April, May, and September he won't.If he bats like he did in the middle of the season he'd be dumb not to.

he was essentially a rookie last year. Obviously there were gonig to be some bumps in the road. Tito isnt about to start jerking this kid all over the lineup, it's the number 1 confidence killer. He'll leadoff all year.

 

[MAC_32]

WHy do you think this? I am from Boston and it is well known that Ellsbury is firmly entrenched in the leadoff spot.

A .336 OBP, a 3.5% 2nd half 2008 BB rate, and his two month slump midseason 2008. Lots of reasons to believe his stay in leadoff may be short lived.

not really, considering the skip isnt moving him from the 1 spot.

If he bats like he did in April, May, and September he won't.If he bats like he did in the middle of the season he'd be dumb not to.

he was essentially a rookie last year. Obviously there were gonig to be some bumps in the road. Tito isnt about to start jerking this kid all over the lineup, it's the number 1 confidence killer. He'll leadoff all year.

Even if he bats like he did in the middle of 2008?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I would do the deal, even though I'm not crazy about Votto as many others are, I still think you upgrade your team all things being equal.

You're missing the boat on Votto. I expect he will be an all-star for the next 15 years, hitting over 30 bombs annually, 100+ rbis, and providing a handful of SBs, and a .300 avg. Add to that he has a great eye and plays in a phone booth that is in Cincy, what's not to like?

 

[MAC_32]

If you believe Ellsbury will leadoff all year, yes, in a heartbeat. I'm not totally convinced that'll be the case though. I'd take it regardless, but I don't think this is the slam dunk I expect others to think it is.

WHy do you think this? I am from Boston and it is well known that Ellsbury is firmly entrenched in the leadoff spot.

A .336 OBP, a 3.5% 2nd half 2008 BB rate, and his two month slump midseason 2008. Lots of reasons to believe his stay in leadoff may be short lived.

not really, considering the skip isnt moving him from the 1 spot.

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