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Should the NFL fine or suspend Mcree for his hit on Houshmandzadeh? (1 Viewer)

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Chargers' McCree apologizes for fourth-quarter hit on Houshmandzadeh

CINCINNATI — San Diego free safety Marlon McCree apologized for his hit on Bengals wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh that drew a pass-interference penalty and sent Houshmandzadeh to the sidelines with a concussion with 9:33 to go.

"It was a bad play on my part," McCree said. "I was going for the ball and lost it. It was a blind spot. I couldn't see the ball for a split second. I went for an interception the first series of the game and missed it by a hair. As opposed to going for the interception and missing it again, I figured I'd just go for the hit and jar the ball out. But in my aggressiveness, I was a second too soon.

"I apologize to (Houshmandzadeh). I'm going to pray for him and I'm going to call him (today) and make sure he's OK because the last thing I want to do is to end a guy's career on some cheap shot. I'm not a cheap player. I've never played this game to be dirty or to hurt anybody."

Houshmandzadeh forgives McCree for violent hit

CINCINNATI -- Bengals receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh forgave San Diego safety Marlon McCree for the early, high hit that left him groggy.

The former Oregon State player watched a replay of the fourth-quarter hit, which left him momentarily unconscious, and decided on Monday there was nothing wrong with it.

McCree drew a pass interference penalty for the hit in San Diego's 49-41 victory over Cincinnati. As he fell, Houshmandzadeh's head connected with the knee of linebacker Randall Godfrey.

"He was just trying to make a play on the ball," Houshmandzadeh said. "He got there a little too soon. It wasn't actually his hit that hurt me. It was the fact that the linebacker was coming so fast. He tried to jump over me but as he jumped, he kneed me in the head. It was just one of those split-second type of accidents, basically."

McCree apologized for the hit, saying he lost sight of the ball and was just trying to break up the pass. Houshmandzadeh's helmet flew off, and he lay motionless on the field for a few seconds. He was groggy when trainers helped him off the field.

Although he felt better in the game's closing minutes, the medical staff wouldn't let him return.

"He was OK the last drive, but when a guy loses consciousness, they're not going to allow him to go back in the game," coach Marvin Lewis said on Monday. "So he'll be evaluated again -- he's already had one test, he'll have the second test on Wednesday morning and should be cleared."

McCree defended himself after hearing criticism that it was a dirty play.

"The most important thing for me was the T.J. was OK. I saw him on the sideline laughing," McCree said. "The second-most important thing was that we won. I'm feeling pretty good. I just didn't want the image to be portrayed that I was a bush-league player, that I was a dirty player. I've never been that type of player. I'm a physical player. I play hard, but that's what I get paid to do, is to play tough and hard and aggressive."

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Interesting...I was watching the game and didn't even notice that it was the second guys knee that actually did the damage. No fine should be necessary. He was a little early, but he led with his shoulder.

 
No. If it wasn't for that idiot commentator Dierdorf this would be a non-issue. The hit was shoulder to shoulder.

 
i thought the hit was pretty bad, but i think the announcer's reaction was what got me jacked up. Looking at the play and hearing the reactions, i think he should be in the clear. It was very early, but not malicious. As far as i know, the guy doesnt have a dirty rep.

however, if this was donovan darius or rodney harrison, you can bet your ### a hefty fine would be coming.

 
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Was the ball tipped at the line, or somewhere else? If not, I think it's over the line. Houshmanzadeh was defenseless at that point, and if the ball wasn't tipped he shouldn't have been plowed like that by McCree. Didn't think the NFL crack down on those hits a couple years ago because of what Sapp did to Clifton?

 
No, it just looked like incidental contact.

It was shoulder to shoulder, not helmet to helmet.

 
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Houshmanzadeh was defenseless at that point, and if the ball wasn't tipped he shouldn't have been plowed like that by McCree.
Obviously he shouldn't have been plowed like that before the ball got there. That's why it was pass interference. It's not a personal foul, though, and McCree didn't purposely commit flagrant pass interference. He mis-timed his hit.
Didn't think the NFL crack down on those hits a couple years ago because of what Sapp did to Clifton?
No, the Sapp hit was clean. The McCree hit was worse than the Sapp hit because Houshmandzadeh was defenseless. Clifton was not defenseless (as the NFL rulebook defines that term). You're allowed to hit a defenseless player, though; you just can't spear him. And McCree didn't spear Houshmandzadeh.
 
IMO it doesn't matter where he hit him (head, sholders, knees or toes). The ball was not going to be caught, there was no reason for McCree to hit him at all.

This is clearly unnecessary roughness and probably worthy of a fine.

Had that hit been on a QB there wouldn't be any debate at all. The league has taken a firm stand to protect vulnerable QBs (too firm IMO). They need to take steps to protect vulnerable WRs too.

WRs are arguably as vulnerable as QBs in certain situations.

 
Should have been suspended for as long as TJ was out of game and fined.
You can't fine a player for pass interference unless you find it to be unnecessary roughness as well. I've never in my life seen unnecessary roughness called on a player for making a hit a few tenths of a second before the ball arrives. If he'd speared him, sure; but he didn't.My rulebook is at home. I'll look up the exact wording of unnecessary roughness tonight if I remember. I'll also look at any rules regarding fines, if there are any. (I'm not sure if fines are covered at all by the rulebook, or if they're covered only by the CBA, or some combination . . .) But I doubt there's any way the NFL could reasonably suspend or fine McCree for his pass interference penalty.
 
Should have been suspended for as long as TJ was out of game and fined.
You can't fine a player for pass interference unless you find it to be unnecessary roughness as well. I've never in my life seen unnecessary roughness called on a player for making a hit a few tenths of a second before the ball arrives. If he'd speared him, sure; but he didn't.My rulebook is at home. I'll look up the exact wording of unnecessary roughness tonight if I remember. I'll also look at any rules regarding fines, if there are any. (I'm not sure if fines are covered at all by the rulebook, or if they're covered only by the CBA, or some combination . . .) But I doubt there's any way the NFL could reasonably suspend or fine McCree for his pass interference penalty.
Everything else aside, do you think it was a cheap shot and intentional?
 
Just watched this 10 times. not once did I see any head to head, any malicious hit. He COULD of went head first, but he DIDN'T. HE lead with his shoulder. His timing... well that sucked. But the hit itself. It was clean.

I have seen much worse hits getting NO fanfare. Please just drop it, it wasn't dirty in anyway.

Who is bringing up the Sapp hit??? AGAIN? This has been PROVEN that Sapp did nothing illegal. Not saying he should of done it at all, but none the less, he had every right to knock Clifton senseless if he is not paying attention.

This is the NFL... quit trying to make it Lingerie Bowl III.... #######.

 
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It wasn't helmet to helmet but it was a high hit that was very poorly timed. I have no way to prove it but I think the injury occured not on the initial hit from McCree but when Housh's head got knocked into the other Charger's knee on the way down. That's when he really got jarred because he was moving backward from the McCree hit and then suddenly his head snapped forward when it hit the players knee.

It's all really a moot point though but it's good to see him publicly apologize.

 
I saw the play and am a pretty big defender of safeties against charges that they lead with their heads (honestly, WTF else are they going to lead with?), but McCree's hit looked at best reckless and at worst dirty.

True, he apologized and also true, the concussion appears to have been caused by another player's knee, but the league has fined for far less than that.

 
It was a cheap shot...... Mcree could see that the ball was still in the air. He should be fined for sure!

If you stop the footage at about 0.32 you can see that Mcree has clear vision of the field and can see that the ball will not be caught before his hit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Qu1_4U1i3w

 
It was a cheap shot...... Mcree could see that the ball was still in the air. He should be fined for sure!

If you stop the footage at about 0.32 you can see that Mcree has clear vision of the field and can see that the ball will not be caught before his hit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Qu1_4U1i3w
Yeah I am sure that is what he was thinking... I mean he had what .05 seconds to think about it?Football is football and if you are going to scrutinize every GOOD hit and try and prove it wasn't... you are going to make it even MORE pathetic as it already is... you can't even touch the QB above the waist and not get a penalty now.

It wasn't a malicious hit... he could of done MUCH worse but he didn't. Next time tell him to hug him and roll.... for all you pansies out there.

And NO it was not a dirty hit. So let it go. jeeez.

 
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It was a cheap shot...... Mcree could see that the ball was still in the air. He should be fined for sure!
What you are saying is that McCree purposely hit Houshmandzadeh well before the ball arrived, purposely drawing a pass interference penalty resulting in a first down for the Bengals in a very close game -- even though McCree has never been a dirty player in the past, McCree said he was not trying to do an illegal hit, and Houshmandzadeh (after looking at the film) agrees that McCree was not trying to do an illegal hit.You might be right, but it seems pretty far-fetched to me.
 
It was a cheap shot...... Mcree could see that the ball was still in the air. He should be fined for sure!

If you stop the footage at about 0.32 you can see that Mcree has clear vision of the field and can see that the ball will not be caught before his hit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Qu1_4U1i3w
Yeah I am sure that is what he was thinking... I mean he had what .05 seconds to think about it?Football is football and if you are going to scrutinize every GOOD hit and try and prove it wasn't... you are going to make it even MORE pathetic as it already is... you can't even touch the QB above the waist and not get a penalty now.

It wasn't a malicious hit... he could of done MUCH worse but he didn't. Next time tell him to hug him and roll.... for all you pansies out there.

And NO it was not a dirty hit. So let it go. jeeez.
So you don't think he saw the ball and was unaware that it was still in the air??? I think he saw the ball new he was early and made the hit anyway. I am all for clean hits. I agree that the QB is protected too much. Mcree was making a point that if you come deep across the field you are going to pay for it. You call it a GOOD hit! A good hit is when the player you are hitting has the ball not waiting to catch it!

We can just agree to disagree on this one.

 
It was a cheap shot...... Mcree could see that the ball was still in the air. He should be fined for sure!
What you are saying is that McCree purposely hit Houshmandzadeh well before the ball arrived, purposely drawing a pass interference penalty resulting in a first down for the Bengals in a very close game -- even though McCree has never been a dirty player in the past, McCree said he was not trying to do an illegal hit, and Houshmandzadeh (after looking at the film) agrees that McCree was not trying to do an illegal hit.You might be right, but it seems pretty far-fetched to me.
I don't think McCree is a dirty player at all.....I do think he knew where the ball was. It was in his field of vision and made the hit anyway. Even a player who is not a dirty player can take a cheap shot at someone in the heat of battle.It's ok for us to have different views on this. I respect your opinion.
 
I'm not even sure he hit Housh in the head.

All the damage was on the way down, slamming his head into the guys knee.

You see that hit 7-8 times a game, there just happened to be a guy behind him which causes his head to snap on the way down. It's a total non-issue, non fine, non suspension.

 
Absolutely no way it was a cheap shot. Too early, and he got flagged for PI. But there was no head to head.

Beerdorf should get fined for defamation!

 
It was a cheap shot...... Mcree could see that the ball was still in the air. He should be fined for sure!

If you stop the footage at about 0.32 you can see that Mcree has clear vision of the field and can see that the ball will not be caught before his hit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Qu1_4U1i3w
Yeah I am sure that is what he was thinking... I mean he had what .05 seconds to think about it?Football is football and if you are going to scrutinize every GOOD hit and try and prove it wasn't... you are going to make it even MORE pathetic as it already is... you can't even touch the QB above the waist and not get a penalty now.

It wasn't a malicious hit... he could of done MUCH worse but he didn't. Next time tell him to hug him and roll.... for all you pansies out there.

And NO it was not a dirty hit. So let it go. jeeez.
So you don't think he saw the ball and was unaware that it was still in the air??? I think he saw the ball new he was early and made the hit anyway. I am all for clean hits. I agree that the QB is protected too much. Mcree was making a point that if you come deep across the field you are going to pay for it. You call it a GOOD hit! A good hit is when the player you are hitting has the ball not waiting to catch it!

We can just agree to disagree on this one.
I am just saying, a GOOD hit compared toa DIRTY hit. It wasn't in any way DIRTY... ill timed YES. but nothing more. When you go over the middle... you have to expect this.
 
It was a cheap shot...... Mcree could see that the ball was still in the air. He should be fined for sure!

If you stop the footage at about 0.32 you can see that Mcree has clear vision of the field and can see that the ball will not be caught before his hit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5Qu1_4U1i3w
Yeah I am sure that is what he was thinking... I mean he had what .05 seconds to think about it?Football is football and if you are going to scrutinize every GOOD hit and try and prove it wasn't... you are going to make it even MORE pathetic as it already is... you can't even touch the QB above the waist and not get a penalty now.

It wasn't a malicious hit... he could of done MUCH worse but he didn't. Next time tell him to hug him and roll.... for all you pansies out there.

And NO it was not a dirty hit. So let it go. jeeez.
So you don't think he saw the ball and was unaware that it was still in the air??? I think he saw the ball new he was early and made the hit anyway. I am all for clean hits. I agree that the QB is protected too much. Mcree was making a point that if you come deep across the field you are going to pay for it. You call it a GOOD hit! A good hit is when the player you are hitting has the ball not waiting to catch it!

We can just agree to disagree on this one.
I am just saying, a GOOD hit compared toa DIRTY hit. It wasn't in any way DIRTY... ill timed YES. but nothing more. When you go over the middle... you have to expect this.
This is why I think it was a cheap shot. A player should expect to get drilled once the make the catch and they get ready to take the hit....Housh was not ready for the hit because he had not caught the ball yet. If Housh had caught the ball and then got drilled....... I would say it's a good hit no doubt!
 
This is why I think it was a cheap shot. A player should expect to get drilled once the make the catch and they get ready to take the hit....Housh was not ready for the hit because he had not caught the ball yet. If Housh had caught the ball and then got drilled....... I would say it's a good hit no doubt!
There is middle ground between "good hit" and "dirty hit".If the guy who got hit did not think it was a cheap shot, who in the world are you to say that it was?
 
This is why I think it was a cheap shot. A player should expect to get drilled once the make the catch and they get ready to take the hit....Housh was not ready for the hit because he had not caught the ball yet. If Housh had caught the ball and then got drilled....... I would say it's a good hit no doubt!
There is middle ground between "good hit" and "dirty hit".If the guy who got hit did not think it was a cheap shot, who in the world are you to say that it was?
"I apologize to (Houshmandzadeh). I'm going to pray for him and I'm going to call him (today) and make sure he's OK because the last thing I want to do is to end a guy's career on some cheap shot. I'm not a cheap player. I've never played this game to be dirty or to hurt anybody."I am the guy who agrees with the guy who made the hit who himself called it a cheap shot!!

 
This is why I think it was a cheap shot. A player should expect to get drilled once the make the catch and they get ready to take the hit....Housh was not ready for the hit because he had not caught the ball yet. If Housh had caught the ball and then got drilled....... I would say it's a good hit no doubt!
There is middle ground between "good hit" and "dirty hit".If the guy who got hit did not think it was a cheap shot, who in the world are you to say that it was?
"I apologize to (Houshmandzadeh). I'm going to pray for him and I'm going to call him (today) and make sure he's OK because the last thing I want to do is to end a guy's career on some cheap shot. I'm not a cheap player. I've never played this game to be dirty or to hurt anybody."I am the guy who agrees with the guy who made the hit who himself called it a cheap shot!!
Reading comprehension for the win. He was saying it was a mistake that he got there early, and that he would not take a cheap shot at someone.
 
This is why I think it was a cheap shot. A player should expect to get drilled once the make the catch and they get ready to take the hit....Housh was not ready for the hit because he had not caught the ball yet. If Housh had caught the ball and then got drilled....... I would say it's a good hit no doubt!
There is middle ground between "good hit" and "dirty hit".If the guy who got hit did not think it was a cheap shot, who in the world are you to say that it was?
"I apologize to (Houshmandzadeh). I'm going to pray for him and I'm going to call him (today) and make sure he's OK because the last thing I want to do is to end a guy's career on some cheap shot. I'm not a cheap player. I've never played this game to be dirty or to hurt anybody."I am the guy who agrees with the guy who made the hit who himself called it a cheap shot!!


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So.... we can now expect more early hits on defenseless WR's before the ball arrives with a simple penalty, but tackling a QB is a 50-50 shot at a roughing call and huge fines? The competition commitee should also be getting drug tested. The Wonderlik (sp) maybe should be adminstered as well. Anyone rememeber the Stingley hit? JUST like this one, with the exception of head to head contact. Let this go.... wait for the next Stingley tragedy.

 
So.... we can now expect more early hits on defenseless WR's before the ball arrives with a simple penalty, but tackling a QB is a 50-50 shot at a roughing call and huge fines? The competition commitee should also be getting drug tested. The Wonderlik (sp) maybe should be adminstered as well. Anyone rememeber the Stingley hit? JUST like this one, with the exception of head to head contact. Let this go.... wait for the next Stingley tragedy.
The part in bold is pretty significant.
 
Everything else aside, do you think it was a cheap shot and intentional?
Of course the hit was intentional, but it wasn't intentionally early and it wasn't cheap.
I couldn't disagree more.How come we don't see a lot more hits like that if it wasn't intentional?
Because hits like that don't happen very often? I don't understand your question.
Bingo!If it was that difficult to judge when a receiver was going to get the ball and to time a hit, we'd see "mistimed" leveling hits like that on receivers all the time.

I honestly don't recall ever seeing such a blatant blindside hit on a receiver before the ball gets there... it's common to see big hits after the ball gets there and isn't caught or isnt' catchable, but I've never seen one where the receiver gets that blindsided and leveled well before the ball gets there.

That was the equivalent of nailing a player calling for a fair catch on a punt - looking up, totally unprepared for the hit and totally defenseless.

The argument about whether it should have been fined is one thing, but anyone that doesn't think that hit was intentional is 100% mistaken, IMHO.

As for what the players said, I don't find it too surprising that McCree apologized... if he's not a dirty player (it sounds like historically not), then I'm sure he felt terrible afterwards for taking such a cheap shot - who knows why he made that snap decision to do it.

And Housh showed class in accepting the apology and letting it die, but both players know that wasn't an accident - again IMHO.

 
So your argument is that stuff that happens on purpose is generally rare while stuff that happens unintentionally should be much more frequent? I don't find that persuasive.

The argument about whether it should have been fined is one thing, but anyone that doesn't think that hit was intentional is 100% mistaken, IMHO.
Too bad we can't ask God to magically give us the correct answer, because I'd be willing to bet a lot of money on the outcome.
 
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