weasel3515
Footballguy
I'm assuming they wouldn't screw it up by adding an odd number team when this works out perfectly for divisions right now.
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Should the NFL move a team to Los Angeles (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
If a team is struggling, I can see moving a team there.
Just not as a result of a tax proposal failing.
Right now, it's the biggest load of BS going. When KC was pushing their rolling roof initiative, we heard a lot about "the Chiefs could leave" type talk. It's sickening.
The stadium issues are an entirely different topic - just seem related.
Just not as a result of a tax proposal failing.
Right now, it's the biggest load of BS going. When KC was pushing their rolling roof initiative, we heard a lot about "the Chiefs could leave" type talk. It's sickening.
The stadium issues are an entirely different topic - just seem related.
weasel3515
Footballguy
Anyone have a suggestion which existing team could move to LA to keep it at the current 32 team level? The Cardinals would have made sense before they just got a new stadium. The Raiders also make sense but I don't see that happening ever again. And now the Chargers want a new stadium so they are probably out too. Kansas City will never give up the Chiefs which leaves Minnesota and Indianapolis as the most likely suspects (especially if New Orleans stays put after repairing the Super Dome). Personally, I don't think LA deserves a team as the "fan" base there doesn't seem interested in supporting one. Just my opinion.
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trader jake
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other than if it's too small and can't support a team...why would/should any fan care about an areas market size?
F LA...make them wait in line until one has to move
F LA...make them wait in line until one has to move
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I think it should rotate. Team with the worst record every year plays there the next season.
Capella
Footballguy
The problem with this would be division re-alignment. They're not going to make an LA based team fly down south three times a year -- wouldn't be fair. Suppose the only thing that would even come close to making sense would be moving them to the NFC West and moving the Rams to the South.
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the hairy scotsman
Footballguy
Not just "No", but "HELL no!!"
cstu
Footballguy
That was what I was thinking. It doesn't make a lot of sense for St. Louis to be in the the West. At least then there might be better rivalries between Seattle, SF, AZ and LA.Why not move the Saints here with the promise of getting an expansion team when the city gets rebuilt?The problem with this would be division re-alignment. They're not going to make an LA based team fly down south three times a year -- wouldn't be fair. Suppose the only thing that would even come close to making sense would be moving them to the NFC West and moving the Rams to the South.
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videoguy505
Footballguy
Every time an owner 'threatens' to move to LA, I wonder who he is threatening, the hometown or his franchise. Who would want to play there? LA has proved on more than one occasion they are not yet responsible enough to have an NFL team. Maybe if they can get an arena team and not kill that for a few year we can think about it. Or maybe we should start with a gold fish.
Knights Football
Footballguy
Indy is not going anywhere - they have begun constrution on a new stadium (Lucas Oil Stadium) that will open at the start of the 2008 season.
Doug B
Footballguy
Tagliabue has already moved heaven and earth to keep the Saints in New Orleans. For now, the Saints going to L.A. is a non-starter.Naturally, things could change tomorrow. But, with things as they are now, the Saints are tied to N.O. They are not on a track out of town.
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I think we'll see a 40-team NFL in our lifetimes. It'll probably start two teams at a time ... Schwarzenegger might get his wish before too long.
Sidewinder
Footballguy
Why ?
Sidewinder
Footballguy
Since we're each answering questions with questions, Is a new stadium a requirement to keep a team ? The Superdome is undergoing significant renovation, it will be fine for another 20 years once that's complete.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I could see Spanos moving the Charges up the freeway a bit.
the murph is a pit. Hopefully they stay in like Chula Vista or something, but within SD city limits probablyy isn't gonna happen.
SD is free to negoitate with anyone after this season.
the murph is a pit. Hopefully they stay in like Chula Vista or something, but within SD city limits probablyy isn't gonna happen.
SD is free to negoitate with anyone after this season.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
More importantly, what would it be called?
I'm thinking something of Spanish descent, and no I'm not kidding.
The Los Angeles Matadors?
The LA Banditos?
I'm thinking something of Spanish descent, and no I'm not kidding.
The Los Angeles Matadors?
The LA Banditos?
weasel3515
Footballguy
I hope the NFL doesn't expand beyond what it has now. 40 teams would dilute the talent so badly there would be too many terrible teams around (that would also cause problems with fan support if too many teams stink=implosion and teams folding like in baseball). Fantasy football wise it wouldn't be so bad as there would be that many more starters, although the real quality would be somewhat dubious.Could name the team the Los Angeles Adios as they would probably say "goodbye" within a few years anyway.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
El Toros de Los Angeles
Los Gatos de Los Angeles
Los Gatos de Los Angeles
mad sweeney
Footballguy
The team and the city have been moving away form each other for years. I really believe the owners have been pushing this along to move up north to a bigger market. Their training facility is now up in Carson and the city has nothing to offer them. It also solves all the alignment problems and such, so it's the easiest option.But Arnold is out of his mind trying to get 2 teams (actually he's out of his mind about most things.) One thing to remember about LA is that over half of the people here are from somewhere else and have their own teams already.
Doug B
Footballguy
Disagree -- how big was the NFL 50 years ago?40 teams is happening in the long term (~50 years). The money's too good and the NFL's brand is too solid not to capitalize on further opportunities.
If the NFL ever relaxes its ownership rules (for instance, allowing corporate ownership), the expansion process could be accelerated.
cstu
Footballguy
Then why aren't the Dodgers and Angels having trouble?Remember that the teams were not here once free agency was available and neither the Rams nor Raiders had stadiums to make them competitive. A new stadium combined with LA's market would make a team in LA today very successful.
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BigRed
Footballguy
Didn't read all replies to see if this was mentioned yet, but Colts have new stadium plans and I believe will start playing there in 08.Agree on LA. Screw the fruits n nuts, they have the Lakers, which is mostly what they seem to care about. wtf w/playing football in surfin weather anyway? dude.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
To say there would not be any negative effects would be close-minded, but I wonder what they actually would be?Comparing the NFL to the NHL and MLB is not an apples to apples comparison. When the NHL and MLB expanded into new markets, they were trying to tap into new markets and these new markets were going to have to support the new franchise. What the NHL and MLB were hoping to do was to increase their net [national] television and radio contracts by expanding into new markets.
So much of an NFL's franchise's success is the National Television Contract and corresponding revenue. I don't think expanding by 10 (to 40) or expanding by 50 (to 80) teams would actually increase the NFL's television national contract. Whether your city has a team or not, I am fairly sure you are getting football games on Sunday morning, Sunday night and Monday evening.
Gate Receipts? Sure but I am not sure how significant these would be in the big picture.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
Yes, A team will be successful. And what do the Dodgers and Angels, long entrenched here, have to do with moving 2 NFL teams to LA? I pretty much predicted the Chargers moving up here for a bigger market, so your point is...?
guderian
Footballguy
Is LA prepared to buy tickets to watch bad football? The NFL has several considerations here.
1. TV markets. That's why no team is moving to San Antonio--they already watch Cowboys games. If the only team in the Gulf South leaves the NFL would be leaving the market to the SEC. LA is a transient market. The fans there already watch their hometown teams. Try putting a mediocre team there and see how much NFL viewership increases.
2. Attendance. The Saints have been consistent at the gate. They rank in the top 10 all time in attendance per game and in the top 2-3 in attendance per win. Coming off of a hurricane and a 3-13 season the city was on pace to exceed its record of season tickets at 54,000 (before Reggie Bush was drafted). You think LA would sell 54,000 season tickets to a 3-13 team?
It's nice to know that you can put a bad product on the field and still sell-out--you don't get that loyalty in a transient market.
3. Franchise fee. An LA franchise would net the NFL $1 billion. Two franchises would net $2 billion--or $30 million to $60 million per owner.
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NoFBinLA
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I'd love to see a franchise here - though as I grew up elsewhere the problem becomes blackouts and losing other games, even off Direct TV.
Alot of folks here grew up elsewhere. They watch their old teams, partially due to a lack of an LA team, partially due to loyalty.
That's why I think an expansion team has a better bet - you can build loyalty within the market over time.
You move a crappy franchise here and it could take much longer to get people on the bandwagon, just like any other city.
Also, you have other factors like a lack of mass transit (hard to get to games), many other activities on a daily basis that you can do and a very fractured and spread out population. So you need to stack the deck hard to make it successful in a short amount of time.
As someone said - other sports are successful here - as is college football. It can be done.
And it'd be nice to take my kid to see a game that didn't involve a four hour drive to SD.
I think one team would be fine -- two at once would push it too far.
PS -- to whomever said you shouldn't be playing FB in 'surfing weather' - which I assume means nice warm climates: when are we moving Arizona, San Diego and the Texas and Florida teams.
Last I knew, weather was often pretty nice for those folks during the season.
Alot of folks here grew up elsewhere. They watch their old teams, partially due to a lack of an LA team, partially due to loyalty.
That's why I think an expansion team has a better bet - you can build loyalty within the market over time.
You move a crappy franchise here and it could take much longer to get people on the bandwagon, just like any other city.
Also, you have other factors like a lack of mass transit (hard to get to games), many other activities on a daily basis that you can do and a very fractured and spread out population. So you need to stack the deck hard to make it successful in a short amount of time.
As someone said - other sports are successful here - as is college football. It can be done.
And it'd be nice to take my kid to see a game that didn't involve a four hour drive to SD.
I think one team would be fine -- two at once would push it too far.
PS -- to whomever said you shouldn't be playing FB in 'surfing weather' - which I assume means nice warm climates: when are we moving Arizona, San Diego and the Texas and Florida teams.
Last I knew, weather was often pretty nice for those folks during the season.
weasel3515
Footballguy
He's right, LA already has a semi-pro team (in both on the field play and off the field financial deals with players). It's called the USC Trojans.
This_Is_Not_VRR
Footballguy
They should add both team to the NFC West. My seahawks need an easier schedule.
Gatorman
Supreme Elite Maximum Tier
32 is such a perfect number for this that I am sure the NFL will screw it up. However, there is some schedule "wiggle room" for adding teams. Now in the NFL you play your division twice, and NFC division and an AFC division for a total of 14 games and then have 2 add ons for division leaders and the like. Expansion to a 5 team division eats up those two "extra games"
Once you create a schedule where you play your division twice and one NFC and another AFC division once = 18 games in a 40 team league. The NFL will either have to drop one team from the AFC and NFC "play the other division" schedule, or expand to 18 games (more money).
An 18 game schedule with 40 teams + 8 teams per league make the playoffs = a 3 week expansion of the NFL season (assuming that preseason (more free money) doesn't change.
Once you create a schedule where you play your division twice and one NFC and another AFC division once = 18 games in a 40 team league. The NFL will either have to drop one team from the AFC and NFC "play the other division" schedule, or expand to 18 games (more money).
An 18 game schedule with 40 teams + 8 teams per league make the playoffs = a 3 week expansion of the NFL season (assuming that preseason (more free money) doesn't change.
complete relignment, on the WAY to 40.. you can hit 36
2 conferences - afc/nfc
3 divisions - East/West/Central 6 teams per...
top 2 Division teams get a 1 st week bye in the 3 week playoff, to the superbowl.
24 teams don't make the playoffs
a team plays divisional opponenants twice for 10 games
oppopsite confereacne with divisional rotation yearly
and Four PICK games.. team GMs pick rivalries (from the 24 teams you wouldn't see all season)
22 week season, (2 Bye weeks) no formal preseason
2 conferences - afc/nfc
3 divisions - East/West/Central 6 teams per...
top 2 Division teams get a 1 st week bye in the 3 week playoff, to the superbowl.
24 teams don't make the playoffs
a team plays divisional opponenants twice for 10 games
oppopsite confereacne with divisional rotation yearly
and Four PICK games.. team GMs pick rivalries (from the 24 teams you wouldn't see all season)
22 week season, (2 Bye weeks) no formal preseason
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