Should the Texans trade out of the first pick? (1 Viewer)

[DropKick]

Not sure how seriously they're considering it... but I've always been intrigued by the options available during an NFL Draft. Trade up... Trade down... This can be the platform to change the fortunes of a franchise. Too bad that fantasy lacks the complexity that makes NFL Draft deals so common.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308888/article/houston-texans-open-to-trading-no-1-draft-pick-owner-says

 

[DiStefano]

Not sure how seriously they're considering it... but I've always been intrigued by the options available during an NFL Draft. Trade up... Trade down... This can be the platform to change the fortunes of a franchise. Too bad that fantasy lacks the complexity that makes NFL Draft deals so common.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308888/article/houston-texans-open-to-trading-no-1-draft-pick-owner-says

Well, one thing for certain, they can't trade up.

 

[DropKick]

Not sure how seriously they're considering it... but I've always been intrigued by the options available during an NFL Draft. Trade up... Trade down... This can be the platform to change the fortunes of a franchise. Too bad that fantasy lacks the complexity that makes NFL Draft deals so common.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000308888/article/houston-texans-open-to-trading-no-1-draft-pick-owner-says

Well, one thing for certain, they can't trade up.

Somebody trades up when you trade down. It's fascinating to watch the NFL GMs manage the process, especially when you compare them to guys in your fantasy league. Who is so infatuated with a guy, they must move up? Who is confident enough in the evaluation process to move down? Who lets the draft come to them? Who over pays?

In contract, there are very few guys interested in trading down in fantasy drafts. Usually it takes a player to move up in a fantasy draft. Of course, in the NFL you're building a much larger, more diversified (positionally) roster and there is more incentive to parlay a pick into multiple picks.

 

[mr roboto]

If they don't want Teddy, and can move down, sure. But the need a QB.

 

[Insein]

Qb is a big issue for them. I think they stay put. If they don't think Qb is an issue, maybe they drop a few spots and try to still get Clowney. Can't go too far cause I think Atl takes him no doubt.

 

[MAC_32]

If they want bortles, yes.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

There's no RG3 like bounty for them trading down, if they want Teddy, they got him. But if not, they could net somebody's high second round pick to drop a couple of spots and still get the guy they are targeting.

 

[Jayded]

As a Texans fan it depends on how they grade the QBs. If there isn't a clear number one guy and they can stay in the top 5-10, I'm fine with them moving down and taking their guy or BPA.

We don't know what O'Brien is thinking yet. He may think some of the 2nd round grade QBs are better fits. In that case, trade down, grab someone like Clowney in the top 5, draft someone like Justin Gilbert (CB Ok St) in the late first with a presumed acquired pick, and then pick your QB in the 2nd/3rd.

 

[DropKick]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

 

[DropKick]

As a Texans fan it depends on how they grade the QBs. If there isn't a clear number one guy and they can stay in the top 5-10, I'm fine with them moving down and taking their guy or BPA.

We don't know what O'Brien is thinking yet. He may think some of the 2nd round grade QBs are better fits. In that case, trade down, grab someone like Clowney in the top 5, draft someone like Justin Gilbert (CB Ok St) in the late first with a presumed acquired pick, and then pick your QB in the 2nd/3rd.

In 2011, the Bengals grabbed AJ Green in the first (1.4) and Andy Dalton early in the second. Interestingly, Kaepernick went the pick after Dalton.

 

[FUBAR]

Obviously it depends on the evaluation, but if you're asking me, I take bridgewater and have him ready to sign before draft day

 

[Insein]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

 

[ghostguy123]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

As a Browns fan, I thought the strategy of taking a RB in the top 5 and a 28 year old QB in the first was about as dumb as it gets. I will never forget watching that draft at the bar. Lot of people were upset we took RIchardson, an then when they called Weeden's name at least 5-6 people got all pissed and just walked straight out the door. I dont even think they paid their tabs.

 

[Tool]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

As a Browns fan, I thought the strategy of taking a RB in the top 5 and a 28 year old QB in the first was about as dumb as it gets. I will never forget watching that draft at the bar. Lot of people were upset we took RIchardson, an then when they called Weeden's name at least 5-6 people got all pissed and just walked straight out the door. I dont even think they paid their tabs.

It's funny that pretty much most fans who follow football closely were equally befuddled. I guess sometimes fans do more than some of the people running NFL teams.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If they want bortles, yes.

Yeah I like Bortles but he's not the #1 pick. I think Bridgewater will kill the combine and be the clear #1.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

If there is anyone like Adrian Peterson he'll go top five for certain.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's funny that pretty much most fans who follow football closely were equally befuddled. I guess sometimes fans do more than some of the people running NFL teams.

I think they knew it was bad also, but I think they were just trying to keep their jobs longer. Generally a RB can come in right away and help the team, plus they took what they thought was the most NFL ready QB, both were huge positions of need also.

Deep down, even the worst GMs have to know that is a horrid allocation of resources

 

[Houston turmOiler]

We need to just stay put and take Bridgewater. Most accounts have him as a guy who knows his offense inside and out and very dedicated in the film room. Seems totally in control of his offense.I think O'Brien wants a guy like that, and the more I hear from O'Brien the more I think Bridgewater is the perfect QB for him. O'Brien seems to value football IQ at the position and Bridgewater by most accounts has that in spades....

 

[Uncle Leo]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Ouch indeed. At least they got something for t-Poor.

 

[Bri]

I think signing a veteran is the way for the Texans to go at QB. Their skill position players very well might not be there (or be good) by the time a rook develops. Andre is battling father time, Arian's mileage might be wearing him down...they could have a very good offense right away with a veteran QB.

They do this and then it's a free for all with teams throwing offers at them for the top pick.

Also, roster-wise, if they could sign a QB and had extra picks to fill other holes, I think they could be good real fast.

Generally teams at the top of drafts don't have stars in the positions the Texans do and they're aiming for those. To me, this is a team that lacks "the other guys" and not the star players.

 

[JetMaxx]

Offer this years 2 and next years 2 for RG3. Trade down and recoup the 2 this year and an early pick next year and you net RG3 for practically nothing.

 

[massraider]

If they think any of these QBs are Pro Bowl caliber, no. You stay put if any of these QBs has a chance to be the goods.

 

[FF Ninja]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

If there is anyone like Adrian Peterson he'll go top five for certain.

Adrian Peterson didn't go top 5.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

If there is anyone like Adrian Peterson he'll go top five for certain.

Or Barry Sanders

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If they want bortles, yes.

Yeah I like Bortles but he's not the #1 pick. I think Bridgewater will kill the combine and be the clear #1.

This could lead to someone trading down, difference of opinion.

I like Bridgewater myself, looks like a pretty good QB crop early on.

 

[FUBAR]

Offer this years 2 and next years 2 for RG3. Trade down and recoup the 2 this year and an early pick next year and you net RG3 for practically nothing.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

If there is anyone like Adrian Peterson he'll go top five for certain.

Adrian Peterson didn't go top 5.

He went top ten though and should have been top 3.

 

[Bojang0301]

The Browns offered their whole draft for Luck. Indy said no. I really feel like Bridgewater is the same kind of guy. Limited question marks, big time ability, big time athlete and football hound. I do not see O'Brien pass on Bridgewater if what I read about him is true. That being said, O'Brien seems to have a bit of Harbaugh in him where he can coach up QB's that have the tools much like he helped turn Matt McGloin from a fringe college backup to an unheralded college starter and NFL caliber backup.

 

[Bojang0301]

RB is about as luxury as you can get anymore in the NFL. Even with a Barry Sanders or APete you don't win in the NFL. The way they have rookie salaries anymore I would keep going QB until I hit. For example I don't think Geno is the Jets savior and they should be looking pretty hard at this class if they grade out someone better than him.

 

[mphtrilogy]

I think this is all about Cleveland....

 

[fantasycurse42]

There is no such thing as a sure thing, but Bridgewater is close and well worth the risk... If you have the opportunity to land a potential franchise QB and you pass on that opportunity, you deserve to lose your fan base.

 

[FF Ninja]

There is no such thing as a sure thing, but Bridgewater is close and well worth the risk... If you have the opportunity to land a potential franchise QB and you pass on that opportunity, you deserve to lose your fan base.

Similar things were probably said about David Carr. I'd be on board with trading down.

 

[Sabertooth]

Take the best player. Is that still Clowney?

 

[ragnarok628]

what do you usually get for the #1 pick anyway? I accept the notion that BO'B might want a 2nd round guy at QB but to me that doesn't mean you trade out of that #1 pick, it just means you grab Clowney or whoever you think the BPA is. you only get the #1 pick once in a blue moon (hopefully!) so i think it makes more sense to use it unless you're offered a king's ransom.

 

[ratbast]

They need a QB. Bridgewater is a QB that is as close to NFL ready as anyone can expect.

Bridgwater's hype is low right now but by draft day I am sure he will be sitting at #1.

But trading down is different than it was before. With the rookie salary cap, anything can happen.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Trade the pick and draft Derek Carr later. It'll be just like old times.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Trade the pick and draft Derek Carr later. It'll be just like old times.

I might have to adopt a new team in that case....

 

[ShaHBucks]

Trade the pick and draft Derek Carr later. It'll be just like old times.

I might have to adopt a new team in that case....

Come on. See if that old David Carr jersey still fits.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Trade the pick and draft Derek Carr later. It'll be just like old times.

I might have to adopt a new team in that case....

Come on. See if that old David Carr jersey still fits.

(Ralphie from the Simpsons voice) But I already stitched Schaub over the Carr!

 

[fantasycurse42]

They need a QB. Bridgewater is a QB that is as close to NFL ready as anyone can expect.

Bridgwater's hype is low right now but by draft day I am sure he will be sitting at #1.

But trading down is different than it was before. With the rookie salary cap, anything can happen.

His hype is far from low... He is pretty much the consensus number 1 QB.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Gonna be a long few months waiting to find out....

 

[fantasycurse42]

There is no such thing as a sure thing, but Bridgewater is close and well worth the risk... If you have the opportunity to land a potential franchise QB and you pass on that opportunity, you deserve to lose your fan base.

Similar things were probably said about David Carr. I'd be on board with trading down.

I've watched Bridgewater play enough to think he is the real deal... On top of the talent, he has a love for the game, very respected by teammates, & is a film rat... He's worth the pick for a team that needs a QB.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

There is no such thing as a sure thing, but Bridgewater is close and well worth the risk... If you have the opportunity to land a potential franchise QB and you pass on that opportunity, you deserve to lose your fan base.

Similar things were probably said about David Carr. I'd be on board with trading down.

I've watched Bridgewater play enough to think he is the real deal... On top of the talent, he has a love for the game, very respected by teammates, & is a film rat... He's worth the pick for a team that needs a QB.

I'm on board with that....I hope we take him and gamble on getting a good to great quarterback.........there are busts every year at every position. Just because Carr sucked has no bearing on Bridgewater.

 

[ghostguy123]

Take the best player. Is that still Clowney?

I will take the 50th best QB of all time over the #1 Dlineman of all time, so no.

 

[ratbast]

They need a QB. Bridgewater is a QB that is as close to NFL ready as anyone can expect.

Bridgwater's hype is low right now but by draft day I am sure he will be sitting at #1.

But trading down is different than it was before. With the rookie salary cap, anything can happen.

His hype is far from low... He is pretty much the consensus number 1 QB.

There are others being mocked above him and even other QBs. I just think when all is said and done that wont be the case.

 

[travdogg]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

If there is anyone like Adrian Peterson he'll go top five for certain.

Adrian Peterson didn't go top 5.

He went top ten though and should have been top 3.

Couldn't agree more. A truly elite RB is still an extremely valuable asset. Don't punish Peterson because Richardson didn't live up to his draft spot.

Take the best player. Is that still Clowney?

I will take the 50th best QB of all time over the #1 Dlineman of all time, so no.

That's crazy to me. That's like saying in 1984, you'd have rather had your team draft Boomer Esiason than Reggie White.

 

[FF Ninja]

There is no such thing as a sure thing, but Bridgewater is close and well worth the risk... If you have the opportunity to land a potential franchise QB and you pass on that opportunity, you deserve to lose your fan base.

Similar things were probably said about David Carr. I'd be on board with trading down.

I've watched Bridgewater play enough to think he is the real deal... On top of the talent, he has a love for the game, very respected by teammates, & is a film rat... He's worth the pick for a team that needs a QB.

I don't totally disagree, but I'm just saying it isn't that clear cut. I'm still open to a lot of things, including Clowney at #1 or trading down. I'm not going to abandon ship if they take Bridgewater. It might be the right pick. I was honestly going to bail if they took VY #1 back in the day. Not for good, but I'd take at least a 5 year hiatus if they had drafted him, assuming they cut him after 3 years. I was 99% certain that was the wrong pick and just didn't want to root for VY even if he was the right pick.

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

If there is anyone like Adrian Peterson he'll go top five for certain.

Adrian Peterson didn't go top 5.

He went top ten though and should have been top 3.

Couldn't agree more. A truly elite RB is still an extremely valuable asset. Don't punish Peterson because Richardson didn't live up to his draft spot.

No one is punishing AP. The statement just didn't make sense. In hindsight, yes, AP should've been a top 3 pick, but that doesn't change the fact that even AP didn't squeak into the top 5, so to say if someone like AP comes along he'll be top 5 for certain is just a bit... odd. And it doesn't dispute the fact it was trying to dispute. Personally, I'm sure we'll see a top 10 RB again at some point, but I wouldn't use that argument.

 

[KellysHeroes]

There's no RG3 like bounty for them trading down

Not yet, but after the combine who knows... maybe not quite an RGIII offer but maybe something close. Also if they could move back about 7 spots and cross their fingers for Johnny Football while grabbing a couple of extra picks why not.

 

[Sabertooth]

The RG3 trade hasn't really helped either team has it? Didn't both teams finish at the bottom of their respective divisions this season?

 

[Spike]

The Texans need for a QB is glaring...

But, in 2012, the Browns (4th pick) had multiple needs, including QB. They traded up, took Trent Richardson (1.3) and grabbed a QB, Brandon Weeden, later with the 1.22 pick.

In general, I agree with the concept but Weeden was already 28 years old. And they left Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles and Russell Wilson on the board.

Ouch!

Good strategy. Bad execution. I don't know if we'll ever see a top 10 RB again.

If there is anyone like Adrian Peterson he'll go top five for certain.

Or Barry Sanders

Picked with the 1.03 pick in 1989.