Should we be worried about Chambers a little? (1 Viewer)

[Sigmund Bloom]

Chambers flourishes on deep balls, and Brees has one of the weakest arms among starters in the league. the torn labrum ain't gonna help. His passing game will be much better suited to having McMichael as a main target than Chambers... Im thinking of the way Santana Moss didn't really break out until he had someone other than Pennington at QB (although they were a decent combo in 2003, some of that damage was done with vinny at the helm).

What say you? Does Chambers outlook drop a bit if Brees becomes a Dolphin?

 

[MLBrandow]

I was going to laugh at you and give you a big face.... but that's a very good argument.

And you know, I genuinely feel bad for Chris Chambers. He's probably one of the top 2 or 3 receivers in the game, but you'd never know it looking at his numbers. He's just had so many ####ty quarterbacks.

 

[Texasmouth]

Chambers will flourish with Brees back there. Maybe Brees doesn't have the best deep ball, but he can still get it there and he is a solid quarterback, something Chambers has never had. If Brees lands in Miami, Chambers will have a career year in my opinion.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I was going to laugh at you and give you a big face.... but that's a very good argument.

And you know, I genuinely feel bad for Chris Chambers. He's probably one of the top 2 or 3 receivers in the game, but you'd never know it looking at his numbers. He's just had so many ####ty quarterbacks.

Evans looks to be on the same path... something about wisconsin WRs?

 

[Bears_Man2]

I don't think Chambers numbers are going to fall much at all. If anything, I agree that McMichael's numbers are going to improve.

I think Miami needs to sign Drew Brees. Chambers, McMichael and Brown are in the prime of their careers. Makes little sense to spend 2-3 additional years developing Cutler or another young QB, watching Aaron Brooks make his boneheaded plays, or watching Ramsey fail like AJ Feeley. Very very rarely are franchise quarterbacks available for nothing like Brees is in this case.

 

[AB in DC]

Chambers flourishes on deep balls, and Brees has one of the weakest arms among starters in the league.

Could it be any worse than the QBs he's had so far in his career?

 

[Back2Back]

I'll be looking forward to the post. Like Montana to Rice or Young to Rice.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Chambers flourishes on deep balls, and Brees has one of the weakest arms among starters in the league.

Could it be any worse than the QBs he's had so far in his career?

Its not a question of bad or good, its a question of whether that QB's style plays to Chambers strengths. Look at Buffalo this year - Holcomb played better than Losman if you ask me, yet Evans did much better when the worse QB with the big arm (Losman) was in. Moulds got almost all of the WR looks when Holcomb was in.

Another thing I'll throw out there is that no WRs have had a big year with Brees at QB. Of course a lot of this has to do with Gates, but the point is that Brees has been conditioned to look for his big TE in the middle more than his WRs deep. He's not a mobile QB, the kind of QB that can create extra time for his WR to get open deep - he's great at running the play as called and delivering an accurate ball to the open man. Im not just sure Chambers can be fully used as a deep threat with Brees at QB...

Just something I was bouncing around in my head today while i was thinking about possible FA destinations and effects on fantasy prospects - by no means am I committed to this position, but I wanted to see what others thought.

 

[B-Deep]

Another thing I'll throw out there is that no WRs have had a big year with Brees at QB. Of course a lot of this has to do with Gates, but the point is that Brees has been conditioned to look for his big TE in the middle more than his WRs deep.

I think you hit the nail on the head, this is more a reflection on his WRs than his skills. I think overall he's a better QB so it will help Chambers. The fact is if Chambers really is as talented as people think he'd better be able to do things other than run deep, and I think he can. And Brees will get the ball deep enough.I think the question is very legit, it is just not something I'm very worried about

 

[H.K.]

I think you hit the nail on the head, this is more a reflection on his WRs than his skills. I think overall he's a better QB so it will help Chambers. The fact is if Chambers really is as talented as people think he'd better be able to do things other than run deep, and I think he can. And Brees will get the ball deep enough.

I think the question is very legit, it is just not something I'm very worried about

Besides, unless Frerotte has that much stronger of a gun than Brees, I think Chambers should be fine.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I think you hit the nail on the head, this is more a reflection on his WRs than his skills. I think overall he's a better QB so it will help Chambers. The fact is if Chambers really is as talented as people think he'd better be able to do things other than run deep, and I think he can. And Brees will get the ball deep enough.

I think the question is very legit, it is just not something I'm very worried about

Besides, unless Frerotte has that much stronger of a gun than Brees, I think Chambers should be fine.

Frerotte's gun is indeed one of his strengths.

 

[Bob Magaw]

unlike marcus vick...

 

[Assani Fisher]

I was going to laugh at you and give you a big face.... but that's a very good argument.

And you know, I genuinely feel bad for Chris Chambers. He's probably one of the top 2 or 3 receivers in the game, but you'd never know it looking at his numbers. He's just had so many ####ty quarterbacks.

I'm tired of hearing this. Top 2 or 3 WRs in the league make their QBs makes just like Moss did with average QBs like Johnson, Culpepper, etc. and TO did with Garcia.

 

[Sinrman]

As a Brees owner in several leagues, I'd be estatic if he landed in Miami. I like what I see there. Great #1 WR in Chambers, great rising RB in Brown, and a great (though a headcase) TE in McMichael. Now, if only they could get a good #2 WR (Moulds?!?!), and this would be an excellent offense...

 

[Punchie]

I'm more worried about Linehan leaving. Before last year, the boards were rightfully aflutter that Chambers would get the starring role in Linehan's offense. Chambers ended up having a very nice year. Now, Linehan's gone and we're supposed to assume that things are going to be the same?

 

[TheFanatic]

Chambers flourishes on deep balls, and Brees has one of the weakest arms among starters in the league.

Could it be any worse than the QBs he's had so far in his career?

That's what I was thinking. How can it get worse? With a solid running game D's are going to focus on the run and give Chambers a lot of 1 on 1 coverage. They will dare Brees to beat them with the deep ball. All Brees needs to do is get it down field. Chambers will do the rest.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I'm more worried about Linehan leaving. Before last year, the boards were rightfully aflutter that Chambers would get the starring role in Linehan's offense. Chambers ended up having a very nice year. Now, Linehan's gone and we're supposed to assume that things are going to be the same?

I remember that Miami was abuzz in the preseason about Linehan opening up the offense and using Frerotte's arm strength after he threw something like 6 bombs in a preseaon game. This is also a good point to bring up... How is Mularkey going to affect the offense?

 

[glock]

As a Brees owner in several leagues, I'd be estatic if he landed in Miami. I like what I see there. Great #1 WR in Chambers, great rising RB in Brown, and a great (though a headcase) TE in McMichael. Now, if only they could get a good #2 WR (Moulds?!?!), and this would be an excellent offense...

Where is David Boston, anyway?

 

[nygiants56]

I was going to laugh at you and give you a big face.... but that's a very good argument.

And you know, I genuinely feel bad for Chris Chambers. He's probably one of the top 2 or 3 receivers in the game, but you'd never know it looking at his numbers. He's just had so many ####ty quarterbacks.

he's had lousy qb's

lousy coaches

lousy o-lines

lousy wr-s

lousy rbs

if brees goes to miami,you can expect a pro bowl visit from Chambers in 2006..

you don't need to throw the deep ball with Chambers, just throw a ten yard hitch and let him out run people or bowl them over with his size..lol

he'll be fine with brees..

 

[Duffy]

I don't have a link, but I distinctly remember reading that Saban was planning to keep the offensive gameplan (Linehan's) from last year.

Chambers will be fine with Brees. None of the QBs he's played with to date have been considered top talents...and many have struggled with their accuracy. If Brees can throw an accurate ball, whether it's a deep pass or not, there's no reason to anticipate a drop in Chambers production.

 

[dirtyhalos]

Chris Chambers

2001 MIA 16 1 -11 -11.0 0 48 883 18.4 7 129 30 0

2002 MIA 15 6 78 13.0 0 98 52 734 14.1 3 99 48 0

2003 MIA 16 4 30 7.5 0 130 64 963 15.0 11 165 11 61

2004 MIA 15 9 76 8.4 0 132 69 898 13.0 7 139 25 12

2005 MIA 16 12 92 7.7 0 166 82 1118 13.6 11 187 7 70

McCardell last year

2005 SD 16 3 2 0.7 0 108 70 917 13.1 9 146 17 29

I would think that Chambers regresses a bit, back down to around 900/9....but thats his career numbers.the more important note of your discussion is McMichael, if Brees does in fact move to Dolphins, Randy could move from about 9th on my list to possibly 4-5

 

[BoltBacker]

I would think that Chambers regresses a bit, back down to around 900/9....but thats his career numbers.

the more important note of your discussion is McMichael, if Brees does in fact move to Dolphins, Randy could move from about 9th on my list to possibly 4-5

While I agree about McMichael, I'm not so sure Chambers #'s would regress... at least not all of them.Chambers ypc may go down and his speed may go less utilized but what's not being factored in is Brees could very well make the entire offense more efficient, allowing the entire offense to stay on the field longer and allowing Chambers more redzone opportunities and more total receptions. More overall passing TD's to be distributed among the receivers. A rising tide raises all boats.

If I'm a McMichael owner I'm ecstatic if Brees lands in MIA. If I'm a Chamber owner I'm still pleased. Higher # of receptions, similar yards, more TD's is what I'd guess.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I would think that Chambers regresses a bit, back down to around 900/9....but thats his career numbers.

the more important note of your discussion is McMichael, if Brees does in fact move to Dolphins, Randy could move from about 9th on my list to possibly 4-5

While I agree about McMichael, I'm not so sure Chambers #'s would regress... at least not all of them.Chambers ypc may go down and his speed may go less utilized but what's not being factored in is Brees could very well make the entire offense more efficient, allowing the entire offense to stay on the field longer and allowing Chambers more redzone opportunities and more total receptions. More overall passing TD's to be distributed among the receivers. A rising tide raises all boats.

If I'm a McMichael owner I'm ecstatic if Brees lands in MIA. If I'm a Chamber owner I'm still pleased. Higher # of receptions, similar yards, more TD's is what I'd guess.

This is a good point - that the offense's increased effectiveness may make up for the lack of deep strikes...It just hurts to lose those 30+ yard receptions and TDs. When Pennington was back last year before getting hurt again, ANYTHING he threw more than 20 yards downfield fluttered. I think his (lack of) arm strength pre-injury is comparable to Brees. If Brees is limited this year the same way Pennington was last year, I doubt Chambers has any receptions of 30 yards + unless some of it comes as YAC.

I know I'm overthinking this is a little, but I thought it would make for a good discussion.

 

[nightshift]

Comparing Brees injury to Pennington's is similar but probably not the same. Pennington's was more severe & he had (has) a difficult recovery. Not so with Brees.

Chambers can get the YAC. I think his receptions will go up, but there won't be any 50 yard bombs from Brees. He'll be monster in PPR!

Where Brees will make a difference is in being resourceful, making good decisions, and accuracy. It will be up to the WRs to make big plays after the catch, which is a part of their job anyway.

 

[ShadowMaster]

I'm more worried about Linehan leaving. Before last year, the boards were rightfully aflutter that Chambers would get the starring role in Linehan's offense. Chambers ended up having a very nice year. Now, Linehan's gone and we're supposed to assume that things are going to be the same?

I remember that Miami was abuzz in the preseason about Linehan opening up the offense and using Frerotte's arm strength after he threw something like 6 bombs in a preseaon game. This is also a good point to bring up... How is Mularkey going to affect the offense?

A KEY point alot of people are over-looking. As a Steeler fan in South Florida my prediction is he will F it up. I remember alot of 5 WR sets and goofy stuff and I was giddy when he left Pit. We saw how good he really was in BUF. I can't believe he got the OC job in Miami.

 

[Desert_Power]

I don't have a link, but I distinctly remember reading that Saban was planning to keep the offensive gameplan (Linehan's) from last year.

Chambers will be fine with Brees. None of the QBs he's played with to date have been considered top talents...and many have struggled with their accuracy. If Brees can throw an accurate ball, whether it's a deep pass or not, there's no reason to anticipate a drop in Chambers production.

This is true, the gameplan will NOT be changing.

 

[Magic Man]

Not to hi-jack the thread. What if Culpepper got traded to Miami, how would Chambers value look then? I know Dante has got a gun for an arm. I could definitely see some nice hookups down field with him and Chambers.

 

[pretender]

Let us not forget Booker either? I think he has the talent if he has an accurate QB to throw to him.

 

[minister]

Did Chambers have such a breakthrough season last year that we don't have to question his own contribution? (Such as we don't question Marvin, Torry, Chad, Muhsin, etc.)

Prior to last season, my impression regarding Chambers was that of a highly talented yet incomplete receiver. He didn't really command the ball or work well in short space like other premier receivers do. Is that assessment off-base?

 

[Jason Wood]

I was going to laugh at you and give you a big face.... but that's a very good argument.

And you know, I genuinely feel bad for Chris Chambers. He's probably one of the top 2 or 3 receivers in the game, but you'd never know it looking at his numbers. He's just had so many ####ty quarterbacks.

Hyperbole Alarm, Hyperbole Alarm



Chambers is a good NFL receiver that appears to have been hampered by his supporting cast, but he hasn't sniffed the top 2 or 3 at his position and won't unless Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, Hines Ward and a host of others simultaneously retire.