Should we legalize Full-Auto Rifles, Bazookas and Grenades? (1 Viewer)

[KCitons]

No.  You're thinking of the NHRA

Where do I donate?

 

[Stealthycat]

I realize you are just trolling - but I am bored.

you are wrong

Both of my kids go through a metal-detector to get into their schools in the morning.  Every semester they conduct "active-shooter" drills to prepare for the eventuality.  My middle school daughter has 1 armed officer, and is part of a larger high school campus who would also react to an active shooter situation.  My high school daughter has 3 armed officers in school every day.  Teachers are not armed - only the (hopefully) trained police officers.

Despite this (or maybe because of this), in the past two years, two kids in the middle school have been arrested for having a gun on campus (in both cases they claimed - probably correctly - that it was self-defense).  This past weekend at my daughter's high school football game, there was a false-alarm active shooter reported where they stopped the game and cleared the stadium.

You know where there has never been a shooting, or gun-related incident?  My kitchen.  No security, no metal detectors, no guns.

that campus is well protected it seems and stopped violence already - GOOD !! glad to hear 

you dont lock your doors at night? no security lights, cameras? no gated community? no backyard fence? wow ... you are brave leaving your family wide open for crime. your choice

of the 1.4 million homes broken into - your wasn't one. Glad to hear it ! and if you want to have nothing to fight with, curl up in a ball and be a victim that too is your choice. God help you. Me? I don't want to be a victim if that ever happens to me or my family. Don't try take away my right to defend myself and how I want to do it ... you don't have the right to do that. 

How many burglaries in 2018?

Overview. In 2017, there were an estimated 1,401,840 burglaries, a decrease of 7.6 percent when compared with 2016 data. The number of burglaries decreased 27.4 percent when compared with 2013 data and was down 37.1 percent when compared with the 2008 estimate.

 

[Stealthycat]

It's not a "fantastical example"...it is EXACTLY your premise simply applied to a different object.  That's the ONLY difference.  

you think so? military weapons never in the hands of civilians are the same thing as a semi-auto rifle I want to hunt with.

no ... they're not, you know it, i know it, everyone knows it

 

[Stealthycat]

"duh....these are just common sense"

ever since semi-auto rifles have been around, people have had them 

for decades millions more have entered into the American households. Every year, millions of hours are spent by sportsmen hunting with semi-auto rifles.

not until the last few years has it been a fad to shoot people in mass with them

you are really going to tell me now that the gun is the problem and not the very very few violent people?  please, take time and explain because if the gun is the problem, you'd have tens of thousands of dead people every month from the tens of millions of us gun owners sowing destruction everywhere we go. 

we don't, because we're not the problem and guns are not the problem. 

 

[The Commish]

you think so? military weapons never in the hands of civilians are the same thing as a semi-auto rifle I want to hunt with.

no ... they're not, you know it, i know it, everyone knows it

Remember....this isn't about the weapon.  You've repeated that a billion times in these threads, right?  It's about the people.  Can you explain to me why you keep bringing up the different types of weapons if it isn't about the weapons?  Because now, you seem to be wanting to make it about the weapons.  

To give you a direct answer to your question, using your logic, if it's not about the weapons, then it doesn't matter if it's a M16 or a pellet gun...it's about the person.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Unless an armed burglar enters your kitchen. Then what's your solution? If your family was hurt, and you could have protected them, would you feel any regret?

As to the rest of your post, did those two kids have assault weapons or handguns? Where did they get the guns? How is anything that is currently on the table (background checks, red flag laws or assault weapons ban) going to change that moving forward. 

Hand guns.

More restrictions on weapons = fewer weapons in circulation = fewer opportunities for kids to get their hands on weapons.

We need fewer guns in circulation - not more.  Guns in the hands of civilians serve no greater social purpose.  

 

[Stealthycat]

Remember....this isn't about the weapon.  You've repeated that a billion times in these threads, right?  It's about the people.  Can you explain to me why you keep bringing up the different types of weapons if it isn't about the weapons?  Because now, you seem to be wanting to make it about the weapons.  

To give you a direct answer to your question, using your logic, if it's not about the weapons, then it doesn't matter if it's a M16 or a pellet gun...it's about the person.

good gawd you are dense today

as a civilian you cannot drive a tank down the highway, or a space shuttle, or an airplane and there are many laws on the sizes of vehicles and weight limits etc etc. There are speed limits too. those are pretty common sense things

as a civilian you cannot go out and buy a military weapons - land mines, bazookas, surface to air missiles, fully auto rifles etc.  by law you cannot do a LOT of things that are just common sense laws

common sense laws loosely bind society - but we STILL live in a free society and people choose to DUI and we don't ban cars or alcohol or put massive restrictions on them do we? WHY ?  because its not the car that's the problem its the PEOPLE

do you not see that still ?seriously ?

 

[The Commish]

you are really going to tell me now that the gun is the problem and not the very very few violent people?  please, take time and explain

In your terms, it's rather simple.....for the same reasons you think giving someone a M16 is a problem

 

[Stealthycat]

fewer opportunities for kids to get their hands on weapons.

my kids have never handles guns inappropriately .... because I taught them early not to

funny how parenting directly comes into play - often

 

[The Commish]

Remember....this isn't about the weapon.  You've repeated that a billion times in these threads, right?  It's about the people.  Can you explain to me why you keep bringing up the different types of weapons if it isn't about the weapons?  Because now, you seem to be wanting to make it about the weapons.  

To give you a direct answer to your question, using your logic, if it's not about the weapons, then it doesn't matter if it's a M16 or a pellet gun...it's about the person.

good gawd you are dense today

as a civilian you cannot drive a tank down the highway, or a space shuttle, or an airplane and there are many laws on the sizes of vehicles and weight limits etc etc. There are speed limits too. those are pretty common sense things

as a civilian you cannot go out and buy a military weapons - land mines, bazookas, surface to air missiles, fully auto rifles etc.  by law you cannot do a LOT of things that are just common sense laws

common sense laws loosely bind society - but we STILL live in a free society and people choose to DUI and we don't ban cars or alcohol or put massive restrictions on them do we? WHY ?  because its not the car that's the problem its the PEOPLE

do you not see that still ?seriously ?

I'm using YOUR logic, not mine....YOUR logic is what you are responding to  

 

[Sinn Fein]

by law you cannot do a LOT of things that are just common sense laws

You know what else is common sense?

No guns used by the military should be in the hands of civilians.

 

[Sinn Fein]

my kids have never handles guns inappropriately .... because I taught them early not to

funny how parenting directly comes into play - often

Great - you can start parenting 100,000,000 kids, and we'll all be safe.

 

[Stealthycat]

In your terms, it's rather simple.....for the same reasons you think giving someone a M16 is a problem

you don't want to answer - the guns are NOT the problem, the people are

if you disagree, then you better be trying to severely restrict of ban cars to stop 35,000 deaths and hundreds of thousands of injuries every year ... but honestly? you don't care about those 35,000 deaths and anti-gun people don't either because they want their cars, and 35,000 dead people is collateral damage and that price is ok 

that's the truth isn't it ?

 

[Stealthycat]

No guns used by the military should be in the hands of civilians.

handguns are - and protected by the Constitution/SC ruling IIRC

but semi-auto AR15 platform rifles are not used in any military in the world that I know of (full auto/select fire yes, but not just semi-auto) ,,,,, did you not know that ?

 

[Stealthycat]

Great - you can start parenting 100,000,000 kids, and we'll all be safe.

If you don't teach yours gun safety, that's on you. I'm responsible for my kids only. 

 

[The Commish]

And I should remind you all I have ZERO interest in taking guns from people....own as many as you want.  I don't care if you own a tank either or a bazooka.  I will absolutely fight to hold you 100% responsible for the safety of that weapon and depending on circumstances hold you liable for things that might happen as a result of your ownership.

 

[Stealthycat]

I'm using YOUR logic, not mine....YOUR logic is what you are responding to  

no you are not

but I guess keep saying it over and over if you want to

 

[Sinn Fein]

If you don't teach yours gun safety, that's on you. I'm responsible for my kids only. 

Seems rather short-sighted - yet not surprising.

 

[Stealthycat]

And I should remind you all I have ZERO interest in taking guns from people....own as many as you want.  I don't care if you own a tank either or a bazooka.  I will absolutely fight to hold you 100% responsible for the safety of that weapon and depending on circumstances hold you liable for things that might happen as a result of your ownership.

that is worth saying again - your'e bouncing all over the place lately

 

[Stealthycat]

Seems rather short-sighted - yet not surprising.

I'm big on parental responsibility - some people aren't and I think that's a huge problem in today's world 

 

[The Commish]

you don't want to answer - the guns are NOT the problem, the people are

if you disagree, then you better be trying to severely restrict of ban cars to stop 35,000 deaths and hundreds of thousands of injuries every year ... but honestly? you don't care about those 35,000 deaths and anti-gun people don't either because they want their cars, and 35,000 dead people is collateral damage and that price is ok 

that's the truth isn't it ?

I answered

If the people are the problem, you should have no problem with law abiding citizens owning a bazooka or M16, but you do....that's for you to reconcile. 

 

[The Commish]

no you are not

but I guess keep saying it over and over if you want to

of course I am....I even bolded it in the last response to you.

 

[The Commish]

that is worth saying again - your'e bouncing all over the place lately

The "bouncing" you see is my position vs yours....nothing more.  Glad you can see the difference though  

 

[Sheriff Bart]

If you outlaw bazookas only outlaws will have bazookas. 

 

[KCitons]

Hand guns.

More restrictions on weapons = fewer weapons in circulation = fewer opportunities for kids to get their hands on weapons.

We need fewer guns in circulation - not more.  Guns in the hands of civilians serve no greater social purpose.  

How did those kids get the handguns? 

You also didn't answer my question as to what proposed regulations would have had any effect on your specific situation? 

Who get's to define what things serve a greater social purpose? Seems kind of arbitrary.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

Hand guns.

More restrictions on weapons = fewer weapons in circulation = fewer opportunities for kids to get their hands on weapons.

We need fewer guns in circulation - not more.  Guns in the hands of civilians serve no greater social purpose.  

How did those kids get the handguns? 

You also didn't answer my question as to what proposed regulations would have had any effect on your specific situation? 

Who get's to define what things serve a greater social purpose? Seems kind of arbitrary.  

If nobody else volunteers, I will step up and be the official arbiter of things that serve a greater social purpose.

 

[KCitons]

If nobody else volunteers, I will step up and be the official arbiter of things that serve a greater social purpose.

Would you be okay with SC or myself filling that role? If not, then why should I be okay with you filling it? 

Also, would it have been better or worse if those kids showed up at school with an assault rifle? What about a fully automatic weapon? Or a bazooka? 

How may kids take knives to school? There is curve we use to determine what society allows.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'm pretty sure if they were legal they would sell well. 

I know 20+ people that would buy them the day they hit the market.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Would you be okay with SC or myself filling that role? If not, then why should I be okay with you filling it? 

Also, would it have been better or worse if those kids showed up at school with an assault rifle? What about a fully automatic weapon? Or a bazooka? 

How may kids take knives to school? There is curve we use to determine what society allows.

I'd be happy to put this to a democratic vote.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

I know 20+ people that would buy them the day they hit the market.

I would buy 7.  One for each of my automobiles. 

 

[KCitons]

I'd be happy to put this to a democratic vote.

Great. What exactly are you putting to a vote?

It seems that you want more than just a ban on assault weapons, magazine limits, and background checks. It appears to me that you want to ban as many guns as possible. I've said it multiple times over the past month, the anti gunners need to be careful about what they are trying to do. Push too far and the people that are willing to vote for common sense change are going to push back. Don't mistake momentum for cart blanche. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

you are wrong

that campus is well protected it seems and stopped violence already - GOOD !! glad to hear 

you dont lock your doors at night? no security lights, cameras? no gated community? no backyard fence? wow ... you are brave leaving your family wide open for crime. your choice

of the 1.4 million homes broken into - your wasn't one. Glad to hear it ! and if you want to have nothing to fight with, curl up in a ball and be a victim that too is your choice. God help you. Me? I don't want to be a victim if that ever happens to me or my family. Don't try take away my right to defend myself and how I want to do it ... you don't have the right to do that. 

How many burglaries in 2018?

Overview. In 2017, there were an estimated 1,401,840 burglaries, a decrease of 7.6 percent when compared with 2016 data. The number of burglaries decreased 27.4 percent when compared with 2013 data and was down 37.1 percent when compared with the 2008 estimate.

Remember when I posted those stats about break ins and how absolutely minuscule the odds of your location and demographic are? 

Are you even sure the # is 1.4 million homes, or was it 1.4million break ins of any sort? Pretty sure the last time I looked a big majority was rental properties and hotel/motels.  

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I think I would prefer the M 134 to a bazooka.  Just a question of personal preference.

 

[parrot]

I think I would prefer the M 134 to a bazooka.  Just a question of personal preference.

And let me guess, you ain't got time to bleed?

 

[Politician Spock]

I think I would prefer the M 134 to a bazooka.  Just a question of personal preference.

With the ban on these types of arms, we don't get the benefit of free market competition improving these arms. The ban just denies us the innovation we so desperately need. Imagine a semi-automatic bazooka, for example. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

With the ban on these types of arms, we don't get the benefit of free market competition improving these arms. The ban just denies us the innovation we so desperately need. Imagine a semi-automatic bazooka, for example. 

How large of a magazine could it really hold before it became a crew served weapon as opposed to a personal carry one.  I have no friends, no crew, I am a lone wolf, my implements of destruction need to be one person carry.  Think suitcase nukes, not intercontinental ballistic missiles.

 

[msommer]

How large of a magazine could it really hold before it became a crew served weapon as opposed to a personal carry one.  I have no friends, no crew, I am a lone wolf, my implements of destruction need to be one person carry.  Think suitcase nukes, not intercontinental ballistic missiles.

Three shots seems doable, and clearly necessary in more situations than you'd think