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Love him or hate him, 1K wins is amazing.
It's just the man...they want to keep this 1000 games thing going for a while. Great numbers!Boy Duke just got hosed at the end of the half. Shock clock shows zero before it left his hand. Duke should have gotten the ball back with about 3 seconds left. Would suck if the outcome of this game is 3 or less points.
I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
Roy Williams and Dean Smith FTW.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
Especially before the moved teams around to different regions and the West Region was basically UCLA and a bunch of cream puffs.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
Yea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
I am pretty sure that is the majority of opinion. Coach K is getting a lot of talk as the GOAT because of number 1,000 which is an amazing feat. But when the dust settles, it will still be Wooden....Then Coack K, then Bob Knight, then Dean Smith, then Adolph Rupp.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
His biggest flaw is his defense. His unwillingness to not play high pressure man to man has cost him several tourney runs. And his last title was only a result of him switching defenses.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
Lehigh and Mercer are tough outsYea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
#1 seeds are 125-22 all-time vs #8/9. And #2 seeds are 94-44 vs #7/10.Yea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.
Fairly sure he's not the only one to believe that Wooden is the greatest...and I'm fairly sure not EVERY current coach says it's K.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
Both John Wooden and Coach K are such classy individuald that it seems unworthy to argue which one was better. The eras are completely different. Coach K deserves every accolade he is receiving.
Honestly those are the biggest knocks against him IMO.Lehigh and Mercer are tough outsYea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
unless that "layup" happens to be against the team that winds up winning it allYea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
Let us know when GT can win a NCAA tournament game, much less just make the tournament.Lehigh and Mercer are tough outsYea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
They may stink now, but that '90 team with Kenny Anderson, Brian Oliver and Dennis Scott was a blast to watch.Let us know when GT can win a NCAA tournament game, much less just make the tournament.Lehigh and Mercer are tough outsYea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
Says the guy who has drafts and ranks for everything.Both John Wooden and Coach K are such classy individuald that it seems unworthy to argue which one was better. The eras are completely different. Coach K deserves every accolade he is receiving.
They made a final four 10 years ago lolI agree and they haven't been relevant since. 25 years lol
Refs been allowing reaches and grabbing against Oak all game long.Duke getting away with some minor felonies in the last couple of minutes
thats true. And I'm a total hypocrite here. But these two guys- I hate comparing becsuse I feel like I'm demeaning one of them. If I had to choose- despite the fact that I'm a lifelong UCLA fan and homer- I gotta go with Coach K, for one pretty basic reason- in sports, current is almost always better and more impressive. In every sport, today's athletes are stronger, bigger, faster, and play with more skill. The schemes are more complex, and the competition is much fiercer. All of this is true in all of the major sports, which is why, as a general rule, any recent accomplishment of note is more impressive than a past accomplishment of equal note.Says the guy who has drafts and ranks for everything.Both John Wooden and Coach K are such classy individuald that it seems unworthy to argue which one was better. The eras are completely different. Coach K deserves every accolade he is receiving.![]()
The other part overlooked is in the days of smaller tournament fields the top teams advanced more often, so the Final Four frequently had three of top 4-5 teams over the course of the season. In the four NCAA tournaments Duke won under K, 1991 UNLV is the only 1-seed they beat. The seeds of their title game opponents were 3, 6, 2, and 5. So the longer tournament is balanced out by facing the top teams from other regions less often.Yea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
It's a nitpick, but K's coaching tree is pretty much bare compared to the other CBB coaches. We've yet to see a former K assistant go on to sustained success as a head coach, and especially nothing like former Wooden assistant Denny Crum or former Dean Smith assistant Roy Williams. Not sure how that should matter, but it's surprising how little K's assistants have had on their own despite plenty of opportunities.Honestly those are the biggest knocks against him IMO.Lehigh and Mercer are tough outsYea if you're a 1 or 2 seed the first one of those games is a gimme against the 200th best team and then a layup against the 32nd best in the next round. That argument doesn't fly.You may be the only one who believes that. All current coaches in the game says its K. And Wooden had to only win 4 games to win a title, a lot harder to win 6 games.I am pretty sure GOAT is spelled W-O-O-D-E-N. Coach K may lead up the next tier, but I don't think anyone will ever take the title away from Wooden.What he's done at Duke is incredible. Dude is AVERAGING almost 30 wins a year. If he ain't the GOAT, he's on Mt Rushmore.
He's not flawless, though.
I think he's ok as an in-game coach but not great (and keep in mind he has better talent 90% of the time than his opponent). Dean was better at in-game adjustments. Hell, as spastic as he was, I'd take Gary Williams coaching some random MOR squad for a big game before I'd take K.
Yes it did. congrats to K! 1000 and counting!!!This is going to end well
he's too slow to cover the corner in that zone. St Johns doesn't have the shooters to exploit that. Maybe switch to a 3-2 zone.K needs to play Marshall Plumlee more, just for the toughness and rebounding. Doesn't have the hands his brothers did, but still has an impact on this team.
its a sports thread. And I've made 2, now 3 posts in it. But you couldn't wait to come in and complain about it. You're one of the main reasons why I don't post in other threads anymore.So much for Tim not Timming up other threads. Doosh.![]()
But congrats coach K.
Agree with Wooden, K, Knight as the top 3 in that order.when the dust settles, it will still be Wooden....Then Coack K, then Bob Knight, then Dean Smith, then Adolph Rupp.
Don't see how you can exclude Smith but not Wooden.Agree with Wooden, K, Knight as the top 3 in that order.when the dust settles, it will still be Wooden....Then Coack K, then Bob Knight, then Dean Smith, then Adolph Rupp.
Harder for me to rank Rupp given the era difference. And hard to rank Smith given the likelihood that he was using players who should have been ineligible for quite some time.
IMO Smith winning "only" 2 national championships despite the amount of talent that went through that program is a huge knock, especially considering he coached during those years when the tournament was easier according to some posters.Don't see how you can exclude Smith but not Wooden.Agree with Wooden, K, Knight as the top 3 in that order.when the dust settles, it will still be Wooden....Then Coack K, then Bob Knight, then Dean Smith, then Adolph Rupp.
Harder for me to rank Rupp given the era difference. And hard to rank Smith given the likelihood that he was using players who should have been ineligible for quite some time.
In two posts you exhibited one of the primary behaviors that makes me hate you. Quantity has always been a problem, but so has quality/content of your posts. And no I'm not one of the main reasons you don't post in other threads, unless repeatedly pointing out your poor behavior helped you realize I was right so you decided not to post. Your stated reasoning for not posting in other threads was because of other posters opinion of your posts and how they affected those threads, not specific people or your relationship with them. So you're full of it. As usual.its a sports thread. And I've made 2, now 3 posts in it. But you couldn't wait to come in and complain about it. You're one of the main reasons why I don't post in other threads anymore.So much for Tim not Timming up other threads. Doosh.![]()
But congrats coach K.