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Shrine Day One Practice Report: East (1 Viewer)

Sigmund Bloom

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Of course, make sure to stay tuned to the audible, when Cecil and I break down these players in much more depth than you'll find here. These notes are based on Cecil's and my observations. Cecil watched the skill players almost exclusively, while I roamed around and caught a little bit of everything. I also got a chance to talk to John Murphy today, from the player selection committee, one of the scouts responsible for discovering Marques Colston. If everything works out, we'll be having him on the audible throughout the next months as the draft approaches.

QB: Drew Tate, Iowa - :nerd: not NFL material in the least bit. Lester Ricard, Tulane - great height, but otherwise hard to find something positive to say. Matt Gutierrez, Idaho State - NFL frame, NFL arm, surprising athleticism, definitely a practice squad project type at worst.

RB: Jason Snelling, Virginia, ran with great burst and authority, looks like a nice FB/RB tweener for the NFL. Tyrone Moss, Miami - showed great hands and was in good shape, but the burst isnt quite back. Alonzo Coleman, Hampton - ran small and with little power, cross him off your list until further notice. Steve Baylark - decent hands, but showed little running inside, much like Coleman, Cec and I felt you should pay him little mind.

WR: Jayson Swain, Tennessee - no outstanding tools, lacked natural hands, outlook not very bright. Jacoby Jones, Lane - intriguing tools, seems like a possible big play guy, but only showed flashes, not consistent. Syvelle Newton, South Carolina - great athlete, still raw, but the profile of a tough possession WR is there. Steve Breaston, Michigan - showed he was more than a PR at the next level, great quickness, definitely enough to contribute as a WR, even though he'll be drafted mainly as a PR/KR. David Ball, WR, UNH - star of the East practice. Just a stone cold natural catching the ball, great body control in the air. I got to talk to David briefly after the practice, he's a humble down-to-earth kid. Dare I say his game reminded us slightly of Marvin Harrison - amazing hands and body control, a pure technician in his routes. Not saying he's going to be nearly that good, but that's who he reminded us of.

TE: Brent Celek, Cincinnati - join Drew Tate in the unemployment line. Ben Patrick, Delaware - very natural receiver for a big guy, even a downfield threat - interesting sleeper.

OL: Doug Free is in a free fall. He was an ok walloff blocker but did not show the athleticism needed to be an LT at the next level. Chris Best made a crushing block when he was pulling on a run play that blasted back an LB so hard that he took out another LB. Mario Henderson did not flash great technique but he looks like he has a perfect NFL LT frame. Julius Wilson looked very good in the run blocking, but gave up some plays as a pass blocker.

DL: Baraka Atkins generally got manhandled on run plays, but got good pressure on pass plays. Cameron Craig is not heavy enough to play DE on the next level,imo, but he showed the agility, speed, and activity to possibly convert to a 3-4 OLB. Oh let me tell you about Keith Jackson, son of the all time great Eagles TE. He looked like an immovable object, but actually showed some good quickness at times. Clifton Ryan flashed some nice quickness and strength. Jeremy Clark was constantly getting penetration and harassing the QB.

LB: Sam Olajubutu is a midget, but it allows him to get lower than the ballcarrier and stone them. The name Sam Mills came to mind, but that is an aspiration for Olajubutu, not a comparison. Kelvin Smith was barking out orders and seemed like the QB of the defense. KaMichael Hall looked great when covering LBs and showed the speed to cover a lot of ground. Justin Durant was very athletic but not make an impact plays.

DB: Daren Stone is very fast for a 6'3" DB. Watch for his stock to rise if he can run a sub 4.5 at the combine. Travarious Bain is a speedster and can change direction on a dime, Look for him to continue the string of successful small school DBs. Kenny Scott has long arms and great recovery speed.

 
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Of course, make sure to stay tuned to the audible, when Cecil and I break down these players in much more depth than you'll find here. These notes are based on Cecil's and my observations. Cecil watched the skill players almost exclusively, while I roamed around and caught a little bit of everything. I also got a chance to talk to John Murphy today, from the player selection committee, one of the scouts responsible for discovering Marques Colston. If everything works out, we'll be having him on the audible throughout the next months as the draft approaches.QB: Drew Tate, Iowa - :goodposting: not NFL material in the least bit. Lester Ricard, Tulane - great height, but otherwise hard to find something positive to say. Matt Gutierrez, Idaho State - NFL frame, NFL arm, surprising athleticism, definitely a practice squad project type at worst.RB: Jason Snelling, Virginia, ran with great burst and authority, looks like a nice FB/RB tweener for the NFL. Tyrone Moss, Miami - showed great hands and was in good shape, but the burst isnt quite back. Alonzo Coleman, Hampton - ran small and with little power, cross him off your list until further notice. Steve Baylark - decent hands, but showed little running inside, much like Coleman, Cec and I felt you should pay him little mind.WR: Jayson Swain, Tennessee - no outstanding tools, lacked natural hands, outlook not very bright. Jacoby Jones, Lane - intriguing tools, seems like a possible big play guy, but only showed flashes, not consistent. Syvelle Newton, South Carolina - great athlete, still raw, but the profile of a tough possession WR is there. Steve Breaston, Michigan - showed he was more than a PR at the next level, great quickness, definitely enough to contribute as a WR, even though he'll be drafted mainly as a PR/KR. David Ball, WR, UNH - star of the East practice. Just a stone cold natural catching the ball, great body control in the air. I got to talk to David briefly after the practice, he's a humble down-to-earth kid. Dare I say his game reminded us slightly of Marvin Harrison - amazing hands and body control, a pure technician in his routes. Not saying he's going to be nearly that good, but that's who he reminded us of.TE: Brent Celek, Cincinnati - join Drew Tate in the unemployment line. Ben Patrick, Delaware - very natural receiver for a big guy, even a downfield threat - interesting sleeper.Notes on the D and OL to come.
Great info as always! Thanks.
 
Blooming Season starts on January 15, 2006 and runs up into our Rookie Fantasy Draft. :rolleyes:

 
The houston chronicle is claiming that Brian Robison DE of Texas had an outstanding day could you confirm?

 
A theme with many of us draftniks is that this class is fine at the elite level, weak in the middle then really lacks depth. I studied Hula Bowl rosters, scouted around for practice info at Rivals and Scout, watched the game closely (twice) and read about a dozen different articles. It does seem that the 3rd level all-star game didn't enjoy half the talent it did a year ago. Now, you guys are covering the 2nd level all-star game. Bloom, you were also there last year, so my question is, and take a couple days to check the players out better if you need, how do these rosters compare overall to last year? Is the dropoff noticeable? Maybe the drop off is imagined and these guys look about the same?

 
Chaos Commish said:
A theme with many of us draftniks is that this class is fine at the elite level, weak in the middle then really lacks depth. I studied Hula Bowl rosters, scouted around for practice info at Rivals and Scout, watched the game closely (twice) and read about a dozen different articles. It does seem that the 3rd level all-star game didn't enjoy half the talent it did a year ago. Now, you guys are covering the 2nd level all-star game. Bloom, you were also there last year, so my question is, and take a couple days to check the players out better if you need, how do these rosters compare overall to last year? Is the dropoff noticeable? Maybe the drop off is imagined and these guys look about the same?
CC,This class does not come close to matching last year's shrine game class. That being said, last year's class was unbelievable. It included: Bruce Gradkowski, Leon Washington, Marques Colston, Rocky McIntosh, Barry Cofield, Tarvaris Jackson, Wali Lundy, Rob Sims, and Danieal Manning - all players who played significant roles for their teams this year. I would be surprised if this class of players lives up to last year's in terms of immediate impact. The QBs and RBs definitely seem to be a notch below last year quality.
 
Chaos Commish said:
A theme with many of us draftniks is that this class is fine at the elite level, weak in the middle then really lacks depth. I studied Hula Bowl rosters, scouted around for practice info at Rivals and Scout, watched the game closely (twice) and read about a dozen different articles. It does seem that the 3rd level all-star game didn't enjoy half the talent it did a year ago. Now, you guys are covering the 2nd level all-star game. Bloom, you were also there last year, so my question is, and take a couple days to check the players out better if you need, how do these rosters compare overall to last year? Is the dropoff noticeable? Maybe the drop off is imagined and these guys look about the same?
CC,This class does not come close to matching last year's shrine game class. That being said, last year's class was unbelievable. It included: Bruce Gradkowski, Leon Washington, Marques Colston, Rocky McIntosh, Barry Cofield, Tarvaris Jackson, Wali Lundy, Rob Sims, and Danieal Manning - all players who played significant roles for their teams this year. I would be surprised if this class of players lives up to last year's in terms of immediate impact. The QBs and RBs definitely seem to be a notch below last year quality.
Which makes one really wonder about why Louisville's Brian Brohm didn't come out.
 
Matt Gutierrez, Idaho State - NFL frame, NFL arm, surprising athleticism, definitely a practice squad project type at worst.
Dont forget too that Gutierrez was at Michigan for a couple season, even though he was injured. Many locals around here thought he he was better than Chad Henne.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Tyrone Moss, Miami - showed great hands and was in good shape, but the burst isnt quite back.
How far removed is he from the knee injury again? Is he approaching the magical "2 year" mark for ACL recovery? Will he EVER regain the burst?I have a gut feel about him showing up strong in the pros similar to how Gore did.
Sigmund Bloom said:
Steve Breaston, Michigan - showed he was more than a PR at the next level, great quickness, definitely enough to contribute as a WR, even though he'll be drafted mainly as a PR/KR.
I think it's guys like this that are the reason that guys like Brad Childress don't like taking WR in round one. This year, Manningham seemed to get the press for the U of Mich., but every time I watched, it was Breaston that was quietly making the plays.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Tyrone Moss, Miami - showed great hands and was in good shape, but the burst isnt quite back.
How far removed is he from the knee injury again? Is he approaching the magical "2 year" mark for ACL recovery? Will he EVER regain the burst?I have a gut feel about him showing up strong in the pros similar to how Gore did.
Sigmund Bloom said:
Steve Breaston, Michigan - showed he was more than a PR at the next level, great quickness, definitely enough to contribute as a WR, even though he'll be drafted mainly as a PR/KR.
I think it's guys like this that are the reason that guys like Brad Childress don't like taking WR in round one. This year, Manningham seemed to get the press for the U of Mich., but every time I watched, it was Breaston that was quietly making the plays.
breatson has KR/PR and a solid wr3 possesion type written all over him.
 
Matt Gutierrez, Idaho State - NFL frame, NFL arm, surprising athleticism, definitely a practice squad project type at worst.
Dont forget too that Gutierrez was at Michigan for a couple season, even though he was injured. Many locals around here thought he he was better than Chad Henne.
That was the first thing I thought of when I saw his name. I guess it's the same guy?He didn't exactly light up Div 1-AA. The team was 2-10 and he had modest stats.I liked the report on Breaston. He is a HS QB who does make a lot of plays in the return game. He still needs work at WR but seemed to be a YAC guy at Michigan.
 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
Tyrone Moss, Miami - showed great hands and was in good shape, but the burst isnt quite back.
How far removed is he from the knee injury again? Is he approaching the magical "2 year" mark for ACL recovery? Will he EVER regain the burst?I have a gut feel about him showing up strong in the pros similar to how Gore did.
Sigmund Bloom said:
Steve Breaston, Michigan - showed he was more than a PR at the next level, great quickness, definitely enough to contribute as a WR, even though he'll be drafted mainly as a PR/KR.
I think it's guys like this that are the reason that guys like Brad Childress don't like taking WR in round one. This year, Manningham seemed to get the press for the U of Mich., but every time I watched, it was Breaston that was quietly making the plays.
Moss went down in week 8 or 9 two seasons ago. But he seemed to make the mistake of coming back too soon, pushing himself, disappointing, and possibly slowing his true rehab. As you know, I too have a good feeling about his eventual pro prospects. This draft season is very important though. He needs to impress, workout strong, and get himself drafted high enough to be more than an afterthought in training camp. Breaston was the cover boy for the NCAA Preview edition of SI a couple years back. They were pimping him as the best WR in the nation and predicting a breakout season. He never lived up to expectations, but he's always had upper echelon tools. With guys like Breaston and Moss, you know the talent level is there, so I figure it comes down to work ethic, brains, and opportunity. It takes all three to make it and a lack of any one is bad news.
 
Hey everyone, thanks for the contributions to the thread. Full day two reports on the west and east practices are coming on the audible, and we'll post a west day one overview and day two overviews in the shark pool as time allows tonight. Right now we're back at the hotel recording the day two audibles. We've got some great interviews (Moss talked to us today among others) and we both feel like we are starting to separate the wheat from the chaff among the 07 shrine game class.

Day 2 players of the day: Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware, Jacoby Jones, WR, Lane College, Desmond Bishop, LB, Cal

 
tyrone moss has the right tools, but right now his burst from the early days in his career is not as explosive. I like what I've seen from him so far.

 
tyrone moss has the right tools, but right now his burst from the early days in his career is not as explosive. I like what I've seen from him so far.
In your opinion, do you think (from what you've examined) he can get it back or a portion of it back? Or is he as healthy as he's going to get?
 
Intrigued on WR Jacoby Jones right now. Day 1 he shows flashes and than on Day 2 is a player of the day... hmm.

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Of course, make sure to stay tuned to the audible, when Cecil and I break down these players in much more depth than you'll find here. These notes are based on Cecil's and my observations. Cecil watched the skill players almost exclusively, while I roamed around and caught a little bit of everything. I also got a chance to talk to John Murphy today, from the player selection committee, one of the scouts responsible for discovering Marques Colston. If everything works out, we'll be having him on the audible throughout the next months as the draft approaches.QB: Drew Tate, Iowa - :X not NFL material in the least bit. Lester Ricard, Tulane - great height, but otherwise hard to find something positive to say. Matt Gutierrez, Idaho State - NFL frame, NFL arm, surprising athleticism, definitely a practice squad project type at worst.RB: Jason Snelling, Virginia, ran with great burst and authority, looks like a nice FB/RB tweener for the NFL. Tyrone Moss, Miami - showed great hands and was in good shape, but the burst isnt quite back. Alonzo Coleman, Hampton - ran small and with little power, cross him off your list until further notice. Steve Baylark - decent hands, but showed little running inside, much like Coleman, Cec and I felt you should pay him little mind.WR: Jayson Swain, Tennessee - no outstanding tools, lacked natural hands, outlook not very bright. Jacoby Jones, Lane - intriguing tools, seems like a possible big play guy, but only showed flashes, not consistent. Syvelle Newton, South Carolina - great athlete, still raw, but the profile of a tough possession WR is there. Steve Breaston, Michigan - showed he was more than a PR at the next level, great quickness, definitely enough to contribute as a WR, even though he'll be drafted mainly as a PR/KR. David Ball, WR, UNH - star of the East practice. Just a stone cold natural catching the ball, great body control in the air. I got to talk to David briefly after the practice, he's a humble down-to-earth kid. Dare I say his game reminded us slightly of Marvin Harrison - amazing hands and body control, a pure technician in his routes. Not saying he's going to be nearly that good, but that's who he reminded us of.TE: Brent Celek, Cincinnati - join Drew Tate in the unemployment line. Ben Patrick, Delaware - very natural receiver for a big guy, even a downfield threat - interesting sleeper.Notes on the D and OL to come.
Great info as always! Thanks.
:confused: You da man, Bloom. Thanks for the info. :X
 
bump for some additions. Our notes will have a lot more detail as the week goes on - there's so much going on at these practices that it's hard to see even 20% of everything that happens.

 

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