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SI redrafts the 2012 picks (1 Viewer)

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Always fun to see these pieces at this time of the year.

This is SI's Don Banks 2012 REDRAFT on how he feels last year's draft should have rolled.

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Posted: Thu February 7, 2013 4:26PM; Updated: Thu February 7, 2013 4:36PM

Don Banks>INSIDE THE NFL

Taking a second look at 2012 NFL Draft's first round

With the Super Bowl in the books, we can now stand clear enough to view the NFL's 2012 season through the prism of history, all 267 games worth (256 in the regular season and 11 in the playoffs). Before looking ahead to 2013, let's look back one last time at last April's NFL draft, this time with the advantage that only hindsight can offer.

Time for our annual redraft of the first round, and as always, it's an attempt to use what we know now to best determine what should have unfolded then. Rookie season production naturally carries more weight than mere projection or potential in this exercise, although we have our limits (no first-round kickers were selected, regardless of how valuable Blair Walsh, Greg Zuerlein and Justin Tucker proved to be. And fine rookie work, Kirk Cousins, but you're still not first-round material).

We didn't change picks just for the sake of change, which is why the very top portion of the round looks pretty similar. We don't fix what wasn't broken. But we did try to match teams with players who would have come in very handy due to the particular circumstances of 2012. And keep in mind we kept the first-round draft order just as it came off the board, trades and all. Why complicate things more than we have to?

As always, your results may vary....

1 Indianapolis Colts (Original Pick: Andrew Luck, QB)

Re-do Pick: Andrew Luck, QB. In their wildest dreams, the Colts didn't imagine they'd get an 11-win season, a playoff trip and a four-month magic carpet ride out of Luck's rookie season. Whatever happened to taking your first-year lumps? Indy wasn't just Luck-y, it was good. I concur with Alec Baldwin. About the only thing that was ugly about Luck's first year in the league was that late-season neck beard.

2 Washington Redskins (Original Pick: Robert Griffin III, QB)

Re-do Pick: Robert Griffin III, QB. In this, the year of the rookie quarterback in the NFL, no one was more electrifying, charismatic and hope-inspiring than Griffin, whose exploits in the Redskins' read-option offense made for must-see football whenever he had the ball in his hands. We can only hope the late-season/playoff knee injury suffered by the NFL's Offensive Rookie of the Year doesn't wind up turning his 2012 into a bittersweet memory in time.

3 Cleveland Browns (Original Pick: Trent Richardson, RB)

Re-do Pick: Russell Wilson, QB. A no-brainer for the perennially quarterback-needy Browns. At least with Luck and Griffin, great expectations came with the draft slot. Not so with Wilson. He sat and watched 74 other players have their names called before he heard his in the third round. Like the other two quarterbacks taken before him, Wilson led his team to the playoffs and left no doubt as to his readiness to become the face of the franchise. The Browns sure didn't turn a corner by taking a first-round running back, no matter how stout the Richardson pick might look in the future.

4 Minnesota Vikings (Original Pick: Matt Kalil, OT)

Re-do Pick: Matt Kalil, OT. Kalil was everything the Vikings could have hoped for at left tackle, and even belatedly made the Pro Bowl as a replacement for the sent-home Trent Williams of Washington. With Minnesota running back Adrian Peterson winning the league MVP with a 2,096-yard rushing season, quarterback Christian Ponder's improved play due to better protection and the upstart Vikings being a surprise NFC playoff team, how can anyone quibble with the pick of Kalil? We can't.

5 Jacksonville Jaguars (Original Pick: Justin Blackmon, WR)

Re-do Pick: Ryan Tannehill, QB. Blackmon had some first-year impact as the season unfolded, but this just in: Without a quality quarterback, big-play receivers don't make too many big plays. All I know is one NFL team in Florida used a top 10 pick to address its need at quarterback last season and feels pretty good about the position going forward. And one didn't, and doesn't. Taking first-round quarterbacks in back-to-back years as Jacksonville would have had to do with Blaine Gabbert and Tannehill isn't likely, I know. But it's also not completely out of the question any more with the rookie wage scale. And yes, you can consider this my official vote of no confidence in Gabbert.

6 Dallas Cowboys (Original Pick: Morris Claiborne, CB)

Re-do Pick: Janoris Jenkins, CB. I'm not trashing the Claiborne pick in any way. He had a decent rookie season and showed flashes of the talent that made him the first cornerback taken last spring, and his year-two development might be significant. But Jenkins was one of the rookie defensive play-making stars of the season, and we all understood that he went in the second round due to character concerns. Jenkins had a league-rookie-record tying four return touchdowns, and the Rams had to love the payoff from the gamble they took.

7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Original Pick: Mark Barron, S)

Re-do Pick: Doug Martin, RB. Martin was one of the league's rookie sensations this season, and his 1,926 yards from scrimmage ranked third in the NFL and earned him a Pro Bowl trip as a replacement for the Super Bowl-bound Frank Gore. Martin was a game-breaking threat, and Tampa Bay rookie head coach Greg Schiano rode him heavily as the Bucs got off to a strong 6-4 start. Washington rookie running back Alfred Morris out-rushed Martin 1,613 yards to 1,454 yards, but Martin also chipped in with 472 yards receiving and a touchdown, giving him 12 touchdowns overall.

8 Miami Dolphins (Original Pick: Ryan Tannehill, QB)

Re-do Pick: Luke Kuechly, LB. With no top-10-worthy quarterbacks left to select, the Dolphins would gladly scoop up the NFL's Defensive Rookie of the Year, who turned into a tackling machine for the Panthers in 2012. Kuechly started the year at outside linebacker and then moved to the middle to replace Jon Beason. Miami would find a role for Kuechly, and the threesome of Karlos Dansby and Koa Misi would make any Dolphins fan happy.

9 Carolina Panthers (Original Pick: Luke Kuechly, LB)

Re-do Pick: Bobby Wagner, LB. Having just missed out on Kuechly, Carolina could rebound by taking Wagner, who vastly out-performed his second-round draft spot in Seattle. Wagner led the Seahawks in tackles in both the regular season and the playoffs, and he could slide right into the middle linebacker slot that Kuechly manned so capably this season in Charlotte.

10 Buffalo Bills (Original Pick: Stephon Gilmore, CB)

Re-do Pick: Morris Claiborne, CB. I was one of many who thought Gilmore would be the best rookie cornerback in the league this season, but that was not the case. The Bills defense overall was perhaps the NFL's most underachieving unit, and while Gilmore remains a first-round talent, he had an uneven rookie season. I'd give Claiborne the edge based on his early work in Dallas, but neither player lived up to their top-10 spot as rookies.

11 Kansas City Chiefs (Original Pick: Dontari Poe, DT)

Re-do Pick: Fletcher Cox, DT. Clearly the Chiefs of 2012 were desperate for even average quarterbacking, but there are no first-round passers that make sense on this board. With Poe contributing little as a rookie nose tackle, we'll giving Kansas City Fletcher Cox, a versatile talent who can play both defensive tackle and 3-4 end, and whose 5.5 sacks with the Eagles was one of their few defensive bright spots.

12 Philadelphia Eagles (Original Pick: Fletcher Cox, DT)

Re-do Pick: Lavonte David, LB. The Eagles need play-makers in their defensive front seven, and David proved to be a second-round find for Tampa Bay. His 139 tackles led the Bucs, and he had 19 tackles for loss, with two sacks, one interception and five passes defensed. Taken 12 spots after Cal outside linebacker Mychal Kendricks by the Eagles in the second round, David out-performed Kendricks on the weak side.

13 Arizona Cardinals (Original Pick: Michael Floyd, WR)

Re-do Pick: Alfred Morris, RB. The disaster at quarterback wrecked Arizona's season and got both head coach Ken Whisenhunt and general manager Rod Graves fired. But it wasn't the only problem the Cardinals faced. Arizona had no one rush for even 400 yards, so Morris, a sixth-round pick who surprisingly won the starting job in Washington, is an easy choice. With 1,613 yards rushing and 13 touchdowns, Morris hit bigger than any long-shot draft pick in the NFL in 2012.

14 St. Louis Rams (Original Pick: Michael Brockers, DT)

Re-do Pick: Trent Richardson, RB. Brockers had a quality first season in St. Louis, and the value at defensive line is greater than it is at running back these days. But I'm still giving Richardson to the Rams based on the need to find a replacement for Steven Jackson, who might not be back in 2013. You can find quality running backs much lower, of course, but Richardson has a chance to be special and could be the answer in the Rams backfield for another six or seven years.

15 Seattle Seahawks (Original Pick: Bruce Irvin, DE/LB)

Re-do Pick: Bruce Irvin, DE/LB. Not a bad draft in Seattle this season. The Seahawks' top three picks -- Irvin, Wagner and Wilson -- all go in our top 15 do-over. That will work most any year for Seattle general manager John Schneider and his personnel department.

16 New York Jets (Original Pick: Quinton Coples, DE/LB)

Re-do Pick: Casey Hayward, CB. My thinking here is that while Coples showed some potential (5.5 sacks in limited action), he looked a little miscast as a 5-technique defensive end. Plus, once the Jets lost all-world cornerback Darrelle Revis, the season started to unravel. Hayward had an impact season in Green Bay, with the second-round pick leading all rookies with six interceptions.

17 Cincinnati Bengals (Original Pick: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB)

Re-do Pick: Justin Blackmon, WR. Bengals third-round receiver Mohamed Sanu was just starting to find the end zone when he got hurt, and that left Cincinnati still seeking another pass catcher to draw some coverage away from A.J. Green. The Bengals need another threat for quarterback Andy Dalton to throw to, and got nothing from Kirkpatrick in 2012.

18 San Diego Chargers (Original Pick: Melvin Ingram, LB)

Re-do Pick: Jonathan Martin, OT. The Chargers offensive line was makeshift at best this season, and Martin, a second-round pick of Miami's, would have been very useful in the effort to protect quarterback Philip Rivers. He started the season at right tackle and shifted to the key left tackle slot after Jake Long was injured. Ingram didn't make the quick transition to the pro game that was expected, and San Diego has to address the offensive line in this year's draft.

19 New York Giants (Original Pick: Shea McClellin, DE)

Re-do Pick: Mitchell Schwartz, OT. I could virtually repeat everything I just wrote about the No. 18 Chargers. The Bears offensive line was dreadful again, giving up 44 sacks and leaving Jay Cutler running for his life (or concussed). Schwartz, a second-round pick, turned in a solid season at right tackle for the Browns and improved as the year unfolded.

20 Tennessee Titans (Original Pick: Kendall Wright, WR)

Re-do Pick: Chandler Jones, DE. The Titans still don't have a feared pass rusher in their defensive front seven, with defensive end Derrick Morgan's 6.5 sacks leading the team this season. Jones had six sacks as a rookie in New England, and although he didn't finish the season as strongly as he started it, he showed enough ability to get to the quarterback to make the Patriots believe they took a promising young play-maker at No. 21 last April.

21 New England Patriots (Original Pick: Chandler Jones, DE)

Re-do Pick: Stephon Gilmore, CB. With Jones coming off the board right before their pick, the Patriots would be wise to turn to their issues in pass coverage, which have defied permanent fixing in recent years. Gilmore wasn't as good as advertised in 2012, but he'd be a no-brainer in this slot, given where the Patriots' needs are. If New England liked Quinton Coples as a 3-4 outside linebacker, he'd be an easy replacement for the Jones pick.

22 Cleveland Browns (Original Pick: Brandon Weeden, QB)

Re-do Pick: T.Y. Hilton, WR. With Russell Wilson taken in the No. 3 slot, there's no need to reach for Weeden at No. 22. But more weapons in the passing game are required, and that's where third-round Colts receiver T.Y. Hilton fills the bill nicely. Hilton was one of Andrew Luck's favorite targets, and took on a larger role as the season progressed.

23 Detroit Lions (Original Pick: Riley Reiff, OT)

Re-do Pick: Mark Barron, S. Free safety Louis Delmas is great when he's healthy, but that's always an iffy proposition. Fortunately the Lions had a need at strong safety as well, and Barron would have helped them there. He started his rookie season well in Tampa Bay, but then struggled in the final 10 games or so. Still, he's a first-round talent with obvious upside. If the Lions didn't have Delmas, I'd have given them productive Vikings' free safety Harrison Smith, who went 29th overall to Minnesota.

24 Pittsburgh Steelers (Original Pick: David DeCastro, G)

Re-do Pick: Harrison Smith, S. The Steelers lost DeCastro to injury for most of the season, and would have done well to snatch the play-making Smith, whose showing was one big reason for the Vikings' defensive improvement this year. With Troy Polamalu's injury history and age, and Ryan Clark having his own issues to contend with, the Steelers need to get younger at safety.

25 New England Patriots (Original Pick: Dont'a HIghtower, LB)

Re-do Pick: Michael Brockers, DT. Hightower did fine as a rookie, but the Patriots lacked any semblance of pass rush from their defensive interior. Brockers was a beast in some games, and he'd give New England the disruptive thrust at defensive tackle that it's probably looking for in the 2013 draft.

26 Houston Texans (Original Pick: Whitney Mercilus, LB)

Re-do Pick: Dont'a Hightower, LB. Without the injured Brian Cushing, the Texans for a good bit of the season had to rely on the likes of Bradie James and Barrett Ruud at inside linebacker. Mercilus had his moments of impact at outside linebacker, but the greater need was inside, and that's where Hightower would have fit like a glove.

27 Cincinnati Bengals (Original Pick: Kevin Zeitler, G)

Re-do Pick: Kelechi Osemele, OL. Zeitler was more than solid for the Bengals at guard, but Osemele was a revelation of sorts for the Super Bowl champion Ravens. Taken in the second round, K.O., as they call him, started all 16 regular season games at right tackle, and then slid over to left guard in the postseason, putting together four quality games and helping cement a Baltimore offensive line that was almost flawless in the playoffs.

28 Green Bay Packers (Original Pick: Nick Perry, LB)

Re-do Pick: Quinton Coples, DE/LB. Perry didn't really show up in the pass rush like the Packers had hoped. Coples is a natural 4-3 defensive end, but he can play the 3-4 outside linebacker slot, too. He needs more consistency, but Coples' 5.5 sacks in limited playing time represented a solid rookie contribution in New York.

29 Minnesota Vikings (Original Pick: Harrison Smith, S)

Re-do Pick: Kendall Wright, WR. With Smith and Barron already gone, the Vikings could have used another receiver for Christian Ponder to target. Other than Percy Harvin and tight end Kyle Rudolph, the pickings were slim. Wright didn't have many big plays, but he caught 64 passes for 626 yards and four touchdowns.

30 San Francisco 49ers (Original Pick: A.J. Jenkins, WR)

Re-do Pick: Kendall Reyes, DE. The 49ers swung and missed on Jenkins, at least in 2012. Given the late-season arm injury to Justin Smith, they could have used a versatile defensive lineman like Reyes, who held down the starting left defensive end job in San Diego, picking up 5.5 sacks as a rookie. With Smith having 12 years in the league, Reyes would make for his eventual replacement, too.

31 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Actual Pick: Doug Martin, RB)

Re-do Pick: Kevin Zeitler, G. The Bucs struggled mightily at guard after losing both Davin Joseph and free agent signee Carl Nicks to season-ending injuries. Zeitler was dependable and proficient as a rookie starter for the Bengals, who returned to the playoffs in back-to-back seasons for the first time in 30 years.

32 New York Giants (Original Pick: David Wilson, RB)

Re-do Pick: David Wilson, RB. Colts fifth-round running back Vick Ballard had more than 960 yards of combined rushing and receiving, but I'm sticking with Wilson for the Giants because by season's end he had overcome his fumbling issues and started to come into his own. He's got big-play potential, and he showed up in the kickoff return game in the season's second half as well. With Ahmad Bradshaw released this week, Wilson looks like he'll be the Giants' No. 1 back in 2013.

* First-round picks who did not make the cut this time: No. 11 Dontari Poe, Chiefs, DT; No. 13 Michael Floyd, Cardinals, WR; No. 17 Dre Kirkpatrick, Bengals, CB; No. 18 Melvin Ingram, Chargers, LB; No. 19 Shea McClellin, Bears, DE; No. 22 Brandon Weeden, Browns, QB; No. 23 Riley Reiff, Lions, OT; No. 24 David DeCastro, Steelers, G; No. 26 Whitney Mercilus, Texans, LB; No. 28 Nick Perry, Packers, LB; No. 30 A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
 
Too kneejerk for my taste. Alfred Morris over Trent Richardson? TY Hilton over Michael Floyd?http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tracey-jordan-nope.gif

 
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Seems like he re-did the draft based soley on 2012. Several guys definitely flashed enough to still be drafted ahead of other guys at the same position. Richardson is still the best RB of the class IMO.

 
Too kneejerk for my taste. Alfred Morris over Trent Richardson? TY Hilton over Michael Floyd?http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tracey-jordan-nope.gif
Put me in the camp that would take Hilton over Floyd. Might just be his QB though.
 
'FUBAR said:
'EBF said:
Too kneejerk for my taste. Alfred Morris over Trent Richardson? TY Hilton over Michael Floyd?http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/tracey-jordan-nope.gif
Put me in the camp that would take Hilton over Floyd. Might just be his QB though.
I'd take Hilton as well. Morris is way too high, as are all the RB's. If anything the Morris pick justifies the theory that you shouldn't spend high draft choices on running backs unless it's a Adrian Peterson type of player.
 
Maybe Hilton really is better than Floyd. Point being, there's a big difference between going to a WR-starved team with a great QB who throws it 600+ times and going to the Cardinals with two great receivers in front of you and nothing but junk at QB. Makes it hard to compare guys like Floyd/Randle/Jenkins to guys like Gordon/Givens/Hilton who had a lot more opportunity from day one. I don't see how a guy like Floyd, who was unanimous first round talent a year ago, is suddenly not worth a top 30 pick after a rookie season that saw him catch 45 passes for 562 yards. There's almost no way he was going to have a better year than that given the circumstances. SI's list is too reactionary. Obviously you have to upgrade guys like Wilson and Morris, but you also have to be careful to discount players who are still getting their feet wet. The list of Pro Bowlers who were nobodies one year into their career is a massive one.

 
So much wrong with the analysis of the Jets selection.1) The idea of re-evaluating the draft with the knowledge that Revis got hurt is absurd. And even if you put that aside, he's going to be back next season (assuming he isn't traded) 2) Even with Revis out, CB was not even close to the Jets' biggest need. (Cromartie made the pro-bowl, Revis could be back and Wilson, who they just drafted 2 years ago, is a very serviceable nickle) 3) The Jets have struggled to get a pass rush for like 8 years now. They finally get a high-upside guy who shows some flashes and Banks wants to trade that for a 2nd (or maybe 3rd) cornerback? That's ludicrous logic for a team with this many holes. I must admit I didn't see too many Packers games this year. And when I did, I certainly didn't focus on Hayward. But I do know that its silly to overvalue a rookie CB simply because he makes a few interceptions. Number of interceptions is not a good metric when measuring CB's, especially rookie CB's. You can fall ### backwards into plenty of INT's when you're being targeted as a rookie. Not saying Coples is going to be a world beater. But I'd much rather stick with him that switch him out for a DB.

 
He needed someone to double check his work. He has the #19 pick as the NY Giants taking Shea McClellin. His explanation is in regards to the Chicago Bears.

 
Pretty poor responses.

I thought at least some one could have come up with who they would have drafted intead of just ripping Banks.

1 Indianapolis Colts (Original Pick: Andrew Luck, QB)

Re-do Pick: Andrew Luck, QB.

AGREE

2 Washington Redskins (Original Pick: Robert Griffin III, QB)

Re-do Pick: Robert Griffin III, QB.

AGREE

3 Cleveland Browns (Original Pick: Trent Richardson, RB)

Re-do Pick: Russell Wilson, QB.

AGREE

4 Minnesota Vikings (Original Pick: Matt Kalil, OT)

Re-do Pick: Matt Kalil, OT.

AGREE

5 Jacksonville Jaguars (Original Pick: Justin Blackmon, WR)

Re-do Pick: Ryan Tannehill, QB.

I havent seen enough of Tanny to agree with this one but at this point in the draft I can't see any other player/position that would be better so I will half-heartedly agree with this one.

6 Dallas Cowboys (Original Pick: Morris Claiborne, CB)

Re-do Pick: Janoris Jenkins, CB.

DISAGREE.

The Boys took a very good player in Claiborne but the biggest issue with Dallas is at the interior of their O-Line so the guy I would take here is >>> OG Kelechi Osemele Height: 6-5 Weight: 333 lbs.

KO started and played well at ORT but was moved inside and has been dominant. He would instantly upgrade and strengthen the interior of the Boys O-Line which would have helped out both Romo and DeMarco Murray. Claiborne or any other CB didn't exactly help out that defense so I think this is a much better pick.

7 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Original Pick: Mark Barron, S)

Re-do Pick: Doug Martin, RB.

DISAGREE. T-Rich all day here.

8 Miami Dolphins (Original Pick: Ryan Tannehill, QB)

Re-do Pick: Luke Kuechly, LB.

Yeah, I can agree with this pick.

9 Carolina Panthers (Original Pick: Luke Kuechly, LB)

Re-do Pick: Bobby Wagner, LB.

Yep, AGREE.

10 Buffalo Bills (Original Pick: Stephon Gilmore, CB)

Re-do Pick: Morris Claiborne, CB.

AGREE

11 Kansas City Chiefs (Original Pick: Dontari Poe, DT)

Re-do Pick: Fletcher Cox, DT.

AGREE

12 Philadelphia Eagles (Original Pick: Fletcher Cox, DT)

Re-do Pick: Lavonte David, LB.

DISAGREE.

The Eagles had all sorts of issues on their O-Line so instead of a LB I would take >>>> OT Mitchell Schwartz Height: 6-5 Weight: 318 lbs.

Schwartz was amazing and I think he could even move to the left side and turn into an excellent left tackle. Huge help and upgrade to a sore spot.

13 Arizona Cardinals (Original Pick: Michael Floyd, WR)

Re-do Pick: Alfred Morris, RB.

DISAGREE.

I would take BPA and that would be WR Justin Blackmon Height: 6-1 Weight: 207 lbs.

J-Black is a talented WR and plays much bigger than 6'1. He started to come-on down the line and he had issues with his QB so I like Blackmon here.

14 St. Louis Rams (Original Pick: Michael Brockers, DT)

Re-do Pick: Trent Richardson, RB.

In my redraft T-Rich wouldn't be available and I did like Brockers but I would make a different selection so I would go with >>> WR Michael Floyd Height: 6-3 Weight: 220 lbs.

Sam Bradford needs weapons. They have S-Jax at RB but getting a big WR target like Floyd would be a big help IMHO.

15 Seattle Seahawks (Original Pick: Bruce Irvin, DE/LB)

Re-do Pick: Bruce Irvin, DE/LB.

DISAGREE.

Irvin was fine but knowing what we know now I would go with >>> DE Chandler Jones Height: 6-5 Weight: 247 lbs.

I think he's simply a tad better than Irvin.

16 New York Jets (Original Pick: Quinton Coples, DE/LB)

Re-do Pick: Casey Hayward, CB.

DISAGREE.

Nothing wrong with Hayward or the original selection of Coples but I would go with >>> DE Bruce Irvin Height: 6-3 Weight: 245 lbs.

The Jets lack pass rushers so Irvin is a value and addresses a need.

17 Cincinnati Bengals (Original Pick: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB)

Re-do Pick: Justin Blackmon, WR.

Not available in my redraft so I go with >>> RB Doug Martin Height: 5-9 Weight: 223 lbs.

The Law Firm has been better than expected but Dough Martin adds an extra dimension.

18 San Diego Chargers (Original Pick: Melvin Ingram, LB)

Re-do Pick: Jonathan Martin, OT.

Haven't seen enough of Martin to disagree and the reasoning is sound so I'll agree with this one.

19 New York Giants (Original Pick: Shea McClellin, DE)

Re-do Pick: Mitchell Schwartz, OT.

Um Banks did make a mistake here since this was the Chicago Bears pick. The reasoning is very sound though however Schwartz is not available in my redraft so I would go with >>> WR Josh Gordon Height: 6-3 Weight: 225 lbs.

The Bears significantly upgraded their WR position last year by adding WR Brandon Marshall but also adding a huge and super talented deep threat like Gordon would make their WR corps one of the best in the league.

20 Tennessee Titans (Original Pick: Kendall Wright, WR)

Re-do Pick: Chandler Jones, DE.

Not available in my redraft so I would go with >>> CB Janoris Jenkins, Height: 5-10 Weight: 193 lbs.

21 New England Patriots (Original Pick: Chandler Jones, DE)

Re-do Pick: Stephon Gilmore, CB.

AGREE

22 Cleveland Browns (Original Pick: Brandon Weeden, QB)

Re-do Pick: T.Y. Hilton, WR.

DISAGREE.

If the Browns filled QB with Russell Wilson and if both T-Rich and Dough Martin were off the board then knowing what we know today I would go with >>> RB Alfred Morris Height: 5-9 Weight: 219 lbs.

23 Detroit Lions (Original Pick: Riley Reiff, OT)

Re-do Pick: Mark Barron, S.

AGREE

24 Pittsburgh Steelers (Original Pick: David DeCastro, G)

Re-do Pick: Harrison Smith, S.

Not available so I'd go with OG Kevin Zeitler Height: 6-4 Weight: 314 lbs.

25 New England Patriots (Original Pick: Dont'a HIghtower, LB)

Re-do Pick: Michael Brockers, DT.

AGREE, I like Brockers.

26 Houston Texans (Original Pick: Whitney Mercilus, LB)

Re-do Pick: Dont'a Hightower, LB.

DISAGREE. I'd go with >>> Harrison Smith Height: 6-2 Weight: 213 lbs.

27 Cincinnati Bengals (Original Pick: Kevin Zeitler, G)

Re-do Pick: Kelechi Osemele, OL.

Not available so I go with >>> CB Casey Hayward Height: 5-11 Weight: 185 lbs.

28 Green Bay Packers (Original Pick: Nick Perry, LB)

Re-do Pick: Quinton Coples, DE/LB.

Yeah I agree with this one.

29 Minnesota Vikings (Original Pick: Harrison Smith, S)

Re-do Pick: Kendall Wright, WR.

AGREE

30 San Francisco 49ers (Original Pick: A.J. Jenkins, WR)

Re-do Pick: Kendall Reyes, DE.

DISAGREE. I'd have to go with >>> WR T.Y. Hilton Height: 5-10 Weight: 183 lbs.

They need some help at WR and TY showed enough where he would help.

31 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Actual Pick: Doug Martin, RB)

Re-do Pick: Kevin Zeitler, G.

Not available so they jump on >>> Lavonte David Height: 6-1 Weight: 233 lbs.

Lavonte would have gone higher but he's a 4-3 OLB and their wasn't a fit until now.

32 New York Giants (Original Pick: David Wilson, RB)

Re-do Pick: David Wilson, RB.

Yeah, I agree with this one.

 
People are still sleeping on Cordy Glenn.
Doh!NOW you respond.If you would have brought up Glenn earlier I would have plugged him into Chicago's pick and then bumped Josh Gordon down to New England's 2nd-first round selection and then moved Brockers down to San Fran's pick and TY would have fallen out of the first round.
 
I think that Josh Gordon is the best WR in this class. Lamar Miller and Stephen Hill will probably be on this list 3 years from now. Mitchell Schwartz is better than Jonathan Martin, but I'm not sure either is a 1st rounder. Melvin Ingram belongs about where he was originally drafted. I don't see TY Hilton as a 1st rounder. Chandler Jones is a top 10 pick. Zeitler is the best OG in this class, including KO. Stephon Gilmore was very disappointing. I can't say I would give up on him, but I just didn't like the way he played compared to Leonard Johnson or Casey Hayward. #1 CB Janoris Jenkins is better than #2 CB Morris Claiborne.Sorry it's not a complete 1st round redo, but after 1 season I clearly prefer certain players over others at various positions. I'm curious to see if anyone thinks Harrison Smith should be picked over Barron. I think if I redid the whole 1st round Olivier Vernon and Zach Brown would find their way in.One more opinion I have on this draft class is that Blair Walsh is better than Greg Zuerlein.

 
'Drop said:
I think that Josh Gordon is the best WR in this class. Lamar Miller and Stephen Hill will probably be on this list 3 years from now. Mitchell Schwartz is better than Jonathan Martin, but I'm not sure either is a 1st rounder. Melvin Ingram belongs about where he was originally drafted. I don't see TY Hilton as a 1st rounder. Chandler Jones is a top 10 pick. Zeitler is the best OG in this class, including KO. Stephon Gilmore was very disappointing. I can't say I would give up on him, but I just didn't like the way he played compared to Leonard Johnson or Casey Hayward. #1 CB Janoris Jenkins is better than #2 CB Morris Claiborne.

Sorry it's not a complete 1st round redo, but after 1 season I clearly prefer certain players over others at various positions. I'm curious to see if anyone thinks Harrison Smith should be picked over Barron. I think if I redid the whole 1st round Olivier Vernon and Zach Brown would find their way in.

One more opinion I have on this draft class is that Blair Walsh is better than Greg Zuerlein.
I was very high on Hayward and Johnson prior to the draft. I actually wanted the Vikings to trade down in the 2nd rather than trade up for Harrison Smith to get one of them. I thought CB was a bigger priority than safety. Smith was better than I thought he would be. Some were saying that he was just a hitter with questionable coverage skills. However, he actually is a very smart player. He reads the offense and is usually in the right position to make a tackle or a play. I like Jerius Wright more than most so I don't like taking Kendal Wright with the vikings second 1st. I think Zack Brown, Johnson or Rueban Randle might be a better fit.

 
Yeah, the Texans really should have drafted an ILB knowing that Cushing was going to get his knee blown out.

 
So much wrong with the analysis of the Jets selection.1) The idea of re-evaluating the draft with the knowledge that Revis got hurt is absurd. And even if you put that aside, he's going to be back next season (assuming he isn't traded) 2) Even with Revis out, CB was not even close to the Jets' biggest need. (Cromartie made the pro-bowl, Revis could be back and Wilson, who they just drafted 2 years ago, is a very serviceable nickle) 3) The Jets have struggled to get a pass rush for like 8 years now. They finally get a high-upside guy who shows some flashes and Banks wants to trade that for a 2nd (or maybe 3rd) cornerback? That's ludicrous logic for a team with this many holes. I must admit I didn't see too many Packers games this year. And when I did, I certainly didn't focus on Hayward. But I do know that its silly to overvalue a rookie CB simply because he makes a few interceptions. Number of interceptions is not a good metric when measuring CB's, especially rookie CB's. You can fall ### backwards into plenty of INT's when you're being targeted as a rookie. Not saying Coples is going to be a world beater. But I'd much rather stick with him that switch him out for a DB.
:goodposting: As down as I am about Jets drafts.. I'm ALL -IN on Coples being a BEAST.And LOL at Coples being an 290lb plus OLB
 
Was there any particular game where you can recall Coples imposing his will on a good offensive lineman that sticks out in your mind?

 
Was there any particular game where you can recall Coples imposing his will on a good offensive lineman that sticks out in your mind?
Just overall tough battles 1 on 1 all day.Coples spent the year learning every position on the DL and in any given play he lines up in any spot. He was double teamed at times and is a load...I think he had a lot on his plate his rookie year, still had 5.5 sacks in limited play and is ready in year 2 to take a big step.

Made Kipers rookie team if that's means anything:

Quinton Coples, Jets: Another guy who really started to figure it out later in the season, Coples was a 4-3 defensive end at North Carolina, but he’s being asked to do some different things with the Jets. I think along with Muhammad Wilkerson, he can help make the Jets’ defensive line one of the best in the NFL in the years to come. I give Coples the edge on Seattle’s Bruce Irvin, who had some sacks but was one-dimensional.

 
I really wish the Jets would move to a 4-3. Coples is better suited there, and in that case, the Jets would only need to find 3 new linebackers instead of four.

 
In regard to Irvin vs Coples and their value... Given the trends of the best NFL teams and the skillsets that both players possess Irvin would be much harder for a contender to replace than Coples. There just aren't many guys who can impact games (vs contenders) like Irvin can and you can find less explosive stronger guys with suspect motors and bad fundamentals all over. They aren't going to be getting to the cerebral statue QBs and they aren't going to be chasing down the accurate athletic option QBs and that is basically the two different types of legit contender QBs in today's game. Irvin may be one dimensional, but he's so good at that one dimension and that one dimension is so vital to the strategy of high level football that it makes him a better player provided that you play to win the game. I don't think that Kiper properly thinks about the concept of strategic balance and how run/pass defenses and skillsets translate to elite level competition playing out in this era of the NFL. I think many people think similarly to him, and really trying to put players into a vacuum that considers things like who would be better on a terrible team are pointless. Who cares if you are going to get exploited on a weak team that can't mask some of your weaknesses, you're team is going to lose for a myriad of reasons as it is. What I care about is who going to be better on a great winning team, because that is what you as a player and team are striving for. That's the vacuum to analyze in, and you can then determine value by how hard they are to replace and how it affects winning strategy.

 
Pretty poor responses.
These are pretty poor articles that have zero account for situation. Not sure what these types articles attempt to accomplish. I guess it kills time in the offseason?Maybe Banks (etc...) could tell us how Gronkowski (example) would be fairing if he were in Jacksonville or some other rotten QB'd team.
 
Trade picks that changed hands during the draft should also go back to their original owners in this exercise- although I didn't agree with Denver trading away their 1st round pick the first time either. Given what we know now about Claiborne this year, would Dallas still trade up?Not that I'm trying to make this harder...just makes it more interesting.

 
Trade picks that changed hands during the draft should also go back to their original owners in this exercise- although I didn't agree with Denver trading away their 1st round pick the first time either. Given what we know now about Claiborne this year, would Dallas still trade up?Not that I'm trying to make this harder...just makes it more interesting.
Well if only the Cowboys had 20-20 hindsight and were privvy to which guys like, Casey Hayward taken after the first round, would blow up then ofcourse they would not move-up for Claiborne but in this scenario the field is even and everyone has the knowledge of how these players turned out.FWIW I think many Cowboy fans are fine with Morris Claiborne selection. Claiborne really is good and last year when they made the move up for him it made a heck of a lot of sense since Rob Ryan's aggressive defense needs corners who can play on an island since Rob likes to blitz and that means he needs solid cover cornerbacks. The Boys got that one guy in free agency, forget his name off the top of my head right now, but he was solid. Pairing him with Clairborne 'should' have worked out better than it did so I wasn't shocked that they let Rob Ryan go. I am not completely sold on them switiching up that defensive scheme since they have DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer on the edges but I guess Spence is a FA and last year they franchised him and don't want to dish out $10 million this year to do the same thing again and are thinking that Sean Lee is a perfect fit inside and they can get a cheaper guy later in the draft to replace Spencer.In any case, I like Claiborne and I think most Dallas fans like Claiborne and are fine with the pick.But knowing what we know now with a chance to re-do last year's draft I would vastly upgrade the biggest weakness on that team and go with KO beause I think it would help the entire O-Line and Romo and DeMarco Murray proving more synergy. Last year Clairborne didn't provide the anticipated oomph but I kinda think you have to take a look at Rob Ryan and ask why he's had very-VERY little success with the many-MANY opportunities he's had as a defensive coordinator. I really thought last year he'd have a great defense with those pass rushers and those corners but.... not so much.
 
I guess I'm not seeing the purpose here. What's the point? Why would the Bucs make a re-do pick of Martin at 7 when they got him with the 31st?

 
I guess I'm not seeing the purpose here. What's the point? Why would the Bucs make a re-do pick of Martin at 7 when they got him with the 31st?
Given what we know now, Martin wouldn't be there at 31st. I also think Denver wouldn't have sent #25 to NE, and after the debacle in the playoffs, Harrison Smith at #25 is a no-brainer.
 
I would take RG3 #1.I also think that if the Vikings had seen 1 more year of Ponder they would have kept pick #3 and taken Russell Wilson. So Bracie who would you take at #4 for Cleveland in that scenario? Tannehill?

 
I would take RG3 #1.

I also think that if the Vikings had seen 1 more year of Ponder they would have kept pick #3 and taken Russell Wilson. So Bracie who would you take at #4 for Cleveland in that scenario? Tannehill?
Well if are going that route then:1. INDY - takes RG III or I still would go with Luck

AT THIS POINT -

The whole draft turns on its head if we are playing the what-if game

2. STL - doesn't trade with Washington.

They would have made one of two trades with the BROWNS because Cleveland had two better trades sitting on the table with St. Louis.

The Browns were offering the 4th pick and the 22nd pick and the 37th picks in last year's draft plus their top pick this year meaning the Rams would have more and higher picks in last year's draft and now we know the Browns hold the 6th pick in this draft and they got a much lower pick from Washington. Obviously they had a better deal and trade with Cleveland based on the RG III deal from last year.

One other trade that wasn't discussed because Rams HC Jeff Fisher shot it down was that the Rams could have traded QB Sam Bradford to Cleveland last year.

Cleveland was offering both of their first round draft picks, 4 and 22, to the Rams for Bradford.

The Rams could have taken either RG III or Luck, if he wasn't taken first, or if they knew how good Russell Wilson was going to play for the Seahawks they would have taken Russell Wilson to crotch-block the Hawks from upgrading their QB position while at the same time they would not only have Wilson but they would also have two additional first round picks to play with.

After that the draft would obviously be scrambled so I'll let someone else have a crack at a re-do projection since I made two stabs at it but the Browns would have come away with RG III or Wilson or Sam Bradford in any case with a re-do.

 
I would take RG3 #1.I also think that if the Vikings had seen 1 more year of Ponder they would have kept pick #3 and taken Russell Wilson. So Bracie who would you take at #4 for Cleveland in that scenario? Tannehill?
As much as Indy may have liked RG3 as a prospect, the rest of the pieces weren't there to make his style of offense work. He probably would have had a year similar to Vick's in Philly given the rest of the team around him.
 
So is that a sneaky way of saying that you couldn't stomach Tannehill at 4 because you love the Browns, but somehow he's OK at 5 for Jacksonville because you don't care about them?

 
'Drop said:
In regard to Irvin vs Coples and their value... Given the trends of the best NFL teams and the skillsets that both players possess Irvin would be much harder for a contender to replace than Coples. There just aren't many guys who can impact games (vs contenders) like Irvin can and you can find less explosive stronger guys with suspect motors and bad fundamentals all over. They aren't going to be getting to the cerebral statue QBs and they aren't going to be chasing down the accurate athletic option QBs and that is basically the two different types of legit contender QBs in today's game. Irvin may be one dimensional, but he's so good at that one dimension and that one dimension is so vital to the strategy of high level football that it makes him a better player provided that you play to win the game. I don't think that Kiper properly thinks about the concept of strategic balance and how run/pass defenses and skillsets translate to elite level competition playing out in this era of the NFL. I think many people think similarly to him, and really trying to put players into a vacuum that considers things like who would be better on a terrible team are pointless. Who cares if you are going to get exploited on a weak team that can't mask some of your weaknesses, you're team is going to lose for a myriad of reasons as it is. What I care about is who going to be better on a great winning team, because that is what you as a player and team are striving for. That's the vacuum to analyze in, and you can then determine value by how hard they are to replace and how it affects winning strategy.
Good Stuff and I get your point but, The Motor stuff on Coples was always overblown and isn't an issue at all at this point - that was silly Draft mis-information that seems to stick around.I'm all for pumping up Irvin Vs some "suspect motor, Bad fundamantal" guy but, Coples isn't the guy for that comparison. IF Coples was told just to rush the passer, he would have had better numbers but, the Jets and Coples admitted they put a lot on his plate to learn different positions... But, this year will tell a lot more...
 
I think that his motor is suspect because he is physically gifted yet when I watch him play I never think of the phrase "relentless hustle" and I have to wonder why he can't do that. I think it's a mental thing with him, it's not his mindset to maximize effort and that's why I don't have high hopes for him becoming great. His effort level is indicative of how he sees himself and that's less of a learning curve and more of a mental block in most cases. I can understand if a young player is learning different positions in a defense and is unable to play fast because he's thinking and processing so much information that hasn't become second nature to him yet. However there is no excuse on plays where it's just a matter of effort and wanting to get there, but not giving it your all because you know there is a real good chance that you won't get there.I don't think that is silly stuff, I think it's the essence of a competitor.I plan to rewatch all the Jets games in the offseason and post more thoughts on Coples in the IDP forum, he's becoming quite an interesting case that I'm learning a lot from.

 
So is that a sneaky way of saying that you couldn't stomach Tannehill at 4 because you love the Browns, but somehow he's OK at 5 for Jacksonville because you don't care about them?
I'd say you changed the situation just to try and paint the Browns into a corner to make one selection, QB Ryan Tannenhill, which could also been seen as a sneaky tactic when you really just wanted my opinion of Tannenhill which I already gave in my first try to re-do the Banks re-do when I said this about Tannenhill.5 Jacksonville Jaguars (Original Pick: Justin Blackmon, WR)

Re-do Pick: Ryan Tannehill, QB.

I havent seen enough of Tanny to agree with this one but at this point in the draft I can't see any other player/position that would be better so I will half-heartedly agree with this one.

Before last year's draft my opinion was that Tannenhill wasn't worth a top-ten pick so at that time I felt the Phins reached on that selection.

I've 'heard' he has looked good or whatever but I haven't seen enough of him to form a solid opinion one way or the other so I deffered to Banks selection.

Back to my reply that you accused of being sneaky.

In any re-do the Rams would not trade down with Washington because they were offering less than Cleveland so if they would have moved down it would definitely have been with Cleveland and the Browns would have come away with one of four different QBs, Luck (if for some reason Indy didnt' take him), RG III or Wilson (depending on the Browns evaluation but they probably would favor RG III), or Sam Bradford if the Rams decided to go with one of the other three QBs to get a younger and more mobile upgrade from Bradford and to gain two extra first round picks in last year's draft.

You know the above scenario is what would have happened with 20-20 hindsight so it was not a sneaky way around what you trying to find out my opnion of Tannnenhill.

I wasn't selecting him to Jacksonville for any negative reason. I answered the question as it was framed. If you disagree logically show why the Rams wouldn't make a trade with Cleveland since they clearly had the two best trade offers on the table.

 
First of all, I don't want my posts to be mistaken for having a mean spirited tone or anything like that. It's hard to convey certain things in online posts, but I don't mean to be a jerk or anything flinging accusations. It's all in good fun, I apologize for my sneakiness. I read enough of your posts I would just like to get a better feel for your team building philosophy.I am not going to argue the trade offer situation, I prefer to keep the teams slotted as they are to simplify things without getting into how this exercise bends the space time continuum. So just for fun let's paint the Browns into the very hypothetical corner I proposed... what is your thought process for that pick? Assuming you don't know what to make of Tannehill just yet do you pass on him if you are a team who needs a QB? Keep in mind this years class of QBs.Bonus question: would you take Bradford with the 4th in this situation or a different player?

 
... just for fun let's paint the Browns into the very hypothetical corner I proposed... what is your thought process for that pick? Assuming you don't know what to make of Tannehill just yet do you pass on him if you are a team who needs a QB? Keep in mind this years class of QBs.
I still haven't seen enough of Tannenhill to form an empassioned opinion one way or the other but I do recognize something that I do have an empassioned opinion about that would certainly help me form an empassioned opinion about Ryan Tannenhill if I got the chance to study how he'd fit into some of the new offensive schemes.I am sure everyone took notice that their has been a sea change that occured in the NFL this past season where we saw elements of the read-zone-option and the Pistol in, Seattle, San Francisco, New England, and Washington, and a highly athletic and mobile rookie QB in Indy. Last year the NFL saw an unprecidented FIVE ROOKIE QBS start from game-one and three rookie of those rookie QBs took their teams to the playoffs with a second year QB who getting his shot due to injury who took his team and the Pistol offense to the Super Bowl.So I don't sluff off how the macro NFL landscape has changed and how much MORE VALUE that a highly mobile QB like Tannenhill has today that I did not and could not recognize last year when he was drafted. I also feel he's never going to be as effective as he could be unless Miami begins to incorporate some of the up-tempo aspects of the zone-read and some of the formations of the Pistol, and I think their is some room for a highly creative offensive mind to mix in some of the blocking advantages of the Wildcat to maximize the abilities of a guy like Ryan Tannenhill who is still very raw after making the conversion from being a college WR so I'm still not 100% sold on the guy but the upside is far higher for a highly athletic and mobile QB like Tanny right now.Since I still haven't seen enough of him I would defer to others and if they felt he had the skills and could develop into a Kaepernick or a Wilson or even a poor-man's version of Luck or RG III then ofcourse I'd be more than ok with the selection.
Bonus question: would you take Bradford with the 4th in this situation or a different player?
For the Browns? I actually am very high on Weeden for the Browns new vertical-stretch offense but I don't really know what the brain trust is thinking.Both Rob Chudzinski and Norv Turner run the vert-stretch and are really good at making adjustments and game-day decision making/play calling. The table is set for Weeden to make a dramatic leap this year. He's got, the O-Line, the running game, the young wideouts who he now has a familiarity with, he'll have his first NFL off-season to hone his skills, and he's got the perfect system to fit his skill set. But again, I don't know what the Browns braintrutst is thinking.My personal philosphy is to assemble the most talent in one place for the longest period of time that you can so it can stabalize and maximize its potential to win a Super Bowl.The Browns have assembled talent, it has to stabalize. So you don't add in more QB and stir up the pot and create upheaval and you don't add more to the QB mix if you can instead fill a different (weaker) area an therefore maximize talent.Having said that, the Browns braintrust might have also recognize the macro sea-change of having a highly mobile and athletic QB and how much more valuable a mobile QB can be and they may be leaning in that direction.Bascially Sam Bradford is a QB I really like and would take in a heartbeat but I prefer Weeden's arm for the vert-stretch and I pesonally am higher on Weeden for this offense and for the type of coaching support he'd have IF the braintrust is behind him and I'm not sure what they are thinking. I have a theory which pertiains to free agency but I'll spare you those thoughts right now.
 
Hey Drop,

I just saw this and was amused and thought you might also find this interesting.

It appears that someone liked our discussion to the point that it wound up getting some play in the twitter-sphere and then somehow worked itself into an article on NFL.COM

The part of our discussion where we mentioned how the Rams could have taken RG III and traded Sam Bradford to Cleveland thereby getting the 4th pick in last year's NFL draft so the Rams could have come away from last year's draft with RG III and RB Trent Richardson with the 4th pick acquired by Cleveland in a trade of Sam Bradford.

This is when we menioned that trade scenario>>>> Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

I would take RG3 #1.

I also think that if the Vikings had seen 1 more year of Ponder they would have kept pick #3 and taken Russell Wilson. So Bracie who would you take at #4 for Cleveland in that scenario? Tannehill?
Well if are going that route then:1. INDY - takes RG III or I still would go with Luck

AT THIS POINT -

The whole draft turns on its head if we are playing the what-if game

2. STL - doesn't trade with Washington.

They would have made one of two trades with the BROWNS because Cleveland had two better trades sitting on the table with St. Louis.

The Browns were offering the 4th pick and the 22nd pick and the 37th picks in last year's draft plus their top pick this year meaning the Rams would have more and higher picks in last year's draft and now we know the Browns hold the 6th pick in this draft and they got a much lower pick from Washington. Obviously they had a better deal and trade with Cleveland based on the RG III deal from last year.

One other trade that wasn't discussed because Rams HC Jeff Fisher shot it down was that the Rams could have traded QB Sam Bradford to Cleveland last year.



Cleveland was offering both of their first round draft picks, 4 and 22, to the Rams for Bradford.

The Rams could have taken either RG III...
Which generated this blurb that I saw a few minutes ago>>>>My link



Rams could have had RG3 and Richardson if they traded Bradford

February 15, 2013

The St. Louis Rams had their quarterback, that was there stance and they were sticking to it leading up to the 2012 draft. With Andrew Luck slated to go number one overall to the Colts, the Rams had options at number 2. Having drafted Sam Bradford first overall in 2010 draft, new Rams’ coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead wasted no time letting everyone know Sam Bradford would not be traded.

But what if they had put Bradford on the trading block and considered taking Robert Griffin III with the second overall pick? Well, SI.com’s Peter King told Erik Kuselias of NBC Sports that he believes they could have landed a high first round pick for the former number one overall in Bradford.

What team was interested enough to give up such a high pick for Bradford? You guessed it, the Cleveland Browns. NFL.com’s Chris Wesselling explains further.

The implication is that the Browns, holding the No. 4 pick and Bradford’s former play-caller in Pat Shurmur, were the team hot on his trail. Had the Rams been more open-minded on Griffin, they may have changed the course of the franchises in Cleveland and Washington as well as their own. As it is now, Fisher’s future is tied to Bradford’s performance after passing up a chance to draft the 2012 Rookie of the Year.

If the Rams had been willing to deal Bradford and the Browns had pulled the trigger on giving up the 4th pick for him, the Browns could have left the draft last April with Sam Bradford and an Alfred Morris or Doug Martin with their second first round pick.

It’s a lot of “ifs”, but one can help but wonder how different things would have been for Cleveland, if different at all.
The above mentioned this tweet>>>>My link

5:00 PM - 15 Feb 13

Erik Kuselias Sr.‏@eknbc

Peter King says had St. Louis traded SBradford & drafted RG3 last year...they would have gotten HIGH FIRST round pick back for Bradford. WOW
Which lead to this NFL.COM story >>>My link

Sam Bradford could have landed Rams high draft pick

Published: Feb. 15, 2013 at 08:43 p.m.

Updated: Feb. 15, 2013 at 09:31 p.m.

Upon taking over the football operations of the St. Louis Rams last offseason, coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead wasted no time in declaring that Sam Bradford would not be traded in a move to draft Robert Griffin III with the No. 2 pick.

While Bradford remained highly regarded as a former No. 1 pick with intriguing arm talent, it seemed at the time that the Rams were cavalierly disregarding a chance to draft a quarterback with the potential to carve out an exciting and successful new era while turning the franchise's fortunes around.

Whether or not salary-cap implications played a major role, Fisher simply believed that it was Bradford -- not Griffin -- who had the potential to become the best quarterback in football.

With the chance to land a windfall of Redskins draft picks for the right to land Griffin, Fisher put his money where his mouth was last offseason. Fisher acknowledged spurning multiple teams inquiring about the possibility of a Bradford trade.

How high were teams willing to go? Sports Illustrated's Peter King tells NBC Sports Network's Erik Kuselius that the Rams would have received a "high first-round pick" in return had they opted to deal Bradford.

The implication is that the Browns, holding the No. 4 pick and Bradford's former play-caller in Pat Shurmur, were the team hot on his trail. Had the Rams been more open-minded on Griffin, they might have changed the course of the franchises in Cleveland and Washington as well as their own. As it is now, Fisher's future is tied to Bradford's performance after passing up a chance to draft the 2012 Offensive Rookie of the Year.
The timing of the tweets and of the NFL.COM story right after we had this discussion makes me believe that discussions that take place in the Shark Pool are glanced at and at times paid attention to by NFL muckity-mucks which I'm sure we all have felt at one time or another but the evidence in this particular case is pretty convincing wouldn't you say?
 
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I don't know what to make of it, but the timing is peculiar given that it's a somewhat random thing for mainstream media to be bringing up now.

 

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