sick and tired of hearing that the NFL is racist (1 Viewer)

[Yenrub]

I guess I just fail to see why Warpig and Nag are so bent out of shape by a policy (Rooney Rule) that only aims to make more minority candidates available for job interviews.  I don't get how white coaching candidates are hurt by this approach.  The Rooney Rule makes no demands on owners about who to hire.

Let's say it like it is now. No need to make it sound less forceful. The Rooney Rule REQUIRES black coaches to be inteviewed, not "make more minority candidates available for job interviews".

You almost got it right. The Rooney Rule REQUIRES minority candidates to be inteviewed

 

[CalBear]

Excellent post. Racial equality does NOT work both ways. That is why it's not really "equality". The intentions are good but unfortunately the results will always be unfair, especially with regards to the majority. In this case, it's qualified white coaching candidates.

You have yet to name a qualified white coach who didn't get an interview because of the Rooney Rule.

 

[thesurfshop19]

Excellent post. Racial equality does NOT work both ways. That is why it's not really "equality". The intentions are good but unfortunately the results will always be unfair, especially with regards to the majority. In this case, it's qualified white coaching candidates.

You have yet to name a qualified white coach who didn't get an interview because of the Rooney Rule.

He's not going to. It's easier to sit behind rhetoric.In a perfect world, we'd all love if the Rooney Rule didn't have to exist. But it does exist and it seems to be working.

 

[kevinray]

Things are changing, its not going to happen overnight...

It doesn't take a genius to see that a predominantly black workforce may relate to and work harder for a black manager.

Actually, this is a very big issue. I dont remember if i read this or saw it on tv, but there has been discussion on this issue. It is the exact opposite of what you suggest. The arguement was taking into consideration the "brotherhood" black men have with one another and how they perceive the older white man. They say that the predominantly black work force does actually relate with the black coaches, but do not view them as an authority figure. This of course causes huge problems. Im sure you could understand why. Even though this thought process embedded in peoples minds stemmed from racism, its the truth. As some people have said in this thread, an NFL team is going to hire the coach who will be best for the organization. It is a business after all. This means that even though a black canidate may be more intellectually qualified, he may have less opportunity to control the players as an authoritative white coach would. There are obvious exceptions to this but i believe it does play a factor in minority hiring.

 

[nag']

Excellent post. Racial equality does NOT work both ways. That is why it's not really "equality". The intentions are good but unfortunately the results will always be unfair, especially with regards to the majority. In this case, it's qualified white coaching candidates.

You have yet to name a qualified white coach who didn't get an interview because of the Rooney Rule.

That's a ridiculous question and you know it. I can name you dozens or even hundreds of qualified white head & assistant coaches in the NFL and on the college level that never got an inteview but I can never prove any of them actually didn't get that interview because of the Rooney Rule - whether it happened or not. And if I tried, you'd call me a conspiracist and a nutcase. But for you or anyone to suggest that none of them - not even one - or no white coach in the FUTURE can potentially miss out on an opportunity to interview is simply naive. Black coaches are REQUIRED to be interviewed, even if they have limited qualifications to earn that interview. GMs are forced to conduct this interview, while a potentially more qualified white candidate waits. What if a black coach that got this interview (because of his skin color - I have to stress this) makes a great impression and the GM falls in love with his ideas and decides to hire him, cancelling all future searches and inteviews? Would this be an example of the system working? I say this is an example of the system failing miserably! And it can, may and will happen. I've said before, the Rooney Rule (as other affirmative action initiatives) are introduced with good intentions and are likely has/will produce wanted results for blacks or other minorities but it creates (unitentional) bias for the majority.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

That's a ridiculous question and you know it. I can name you dozens or even hundreds of qualified white head & assistant coaches in the NFL and on the college level that never got an inteview

Yet you haven't. Curious.

 

[nag']

That's a ridiculous question and you know it. I can name you dozens or even hundreds of qualified white head & assistant coaches in the NFL and on the college level that never got an inteview

Yet you haven't. Curious.

What's more curious is your continued implication that since I haven't given you names, my argument is therefore null and void, and the potential for racial UN-equality in the FUTURE as a result of the Rooney Rule is impossible, or even worse - justifiable - since more black coaches are being hired and there's no "physical evidence" of it being discriminatory against white coaches .

 

[Yenrub]

Excellent post. Racial equality does NOT work both ways. That is why it's not really "equality". The intentions are good but unfortunately the results will always be unfair, especially with regards to the majority. In this case, it's qualified white coaching candidates.

You have yet to name a qualified white coach who didn't get an interview because of the Rooney Rule.

That's a ridiculous question and you know it. I can name you dozens or even hundreds of qualified white head & assistant coaches in the NFL and on the college level that never got an inteview but I can never prove any of them actually didn't get that interview because of the Rooney Rule - whether it happened or not. And if I tried, you'd call me a conspiracist and a nutcase. But for you or anyone to suggest that none of them - not even one - or no white coach in the FUTURE can potentially miss out on an opportunity to interview is simply naive. Black coaches are REQUIRED to be interviewed, even if they have limited qualifications to earn that interview. GMs are forced to conduct this interview, while a potentially more qualified white candidate waits. What if a black coach that got this interview (because of his skin color - I have to stress this) makes a great impression and the GM falls in love with his ideas and decides to hire him, cancelling all future searches and inteviews? Would this be an example of the system working? I say this is an example of the system failing miserably! And it can, may and will happen. I've said before, the Rooney Rule (as other affirmative action initiatives) are introduced with good intentions and are likely has/will produce wanted results for blacks or other minorities but it creates (unitentional) bias for the majority.

In your example the black coach gets the job because he is qualified.Someone posted in the other thread that the Bengals would have not interviewed Lewis if it wasn't for the Rooney rule. Lewis has turned out to be a pretty good coach thus far.

The Bengals were exposed to someone they may have never looked at prior to the Rooney rule.

Romeo Crennel was coaching in the NFL for over 20 years and has 5 Superbowl rings and it took the Rooney rule for him to his shot at head coaching