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Unlucky

Unlucky

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Let's say you put an update on your Facebook page, Twitter, or posted here about winning/losing a sports bet or playing poker. How safe are you from law enforcement using that against you? I would assume that anything you post can't be the initial trigger to get you in trouble, but I could see it piling on as evidence if you got in trouble for some form of illegal gambling.

Unless you were running the sports book or card room, I assume you're pretty safe. Maybe, maybe not?

 
I'm assuming you're referring to your ff leagues. I would consult a lawyer right away if you haven't already. And make sure you pay taxes on the profit. Chances are that nobody will likely ever contact you about it, but you can't be too careful.

 
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Tiger Fan said:
I'm assuming you're referring to your ff leagues. I would consult a lawyer right away if you haven't already. And make sure you pay taxes on the profit. Chances are that nobody will likely ever contact you about it, but you can't be too careful.
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Not talking about FF leagues. Talking about sports betting and/or poker playing. For example, if I posted that I bet $1000 on a baseball game tonight (illegally - not in a sanctioned sportsbook), is that different than posting that I committed some other crime? If I post that I won $500 in my local poker game, any reason for concern? How about emailing a friend about such topics? Trying to simplify the question: what can law enforcement do about information gathered over the internet? Do they have to have a case already, or can they just stumble upon suspicious stuff posted online and build a case from there?
 
Unlucky said:
For example, if I posted that I bet $1000 on a baseball game tonight (illegally - not in a sanctioned sportsbook), is that different than posting that I committed some other crime? If I post that I won $500 in my local poker game, any reason for concern?
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I guess it might vary from state to state, but in general those things are not illegal.
Trying to simplify the question: what can law enforcement do about information gathered over the internet? Do they have to have a case already, or can they just stumble upon suspicious stuff posted online and build a case from there?
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The latter. Playing poker isn't a good example (since it's generally legal to simply play in a game), but try blogging about your successful crack-dealing exploits. I imagine the police might pay you a visit.
 
pssst, people have been known to lie on the internet.

I'm sure you're fine posting about betting on a blog, or whatever.

ever watch that show intervention on a&e? They show people doing drugs all the time, and last I checked, drugs were illegal. I'm pretty sure none of them ever end up in jail :lmao:

 
In general only the bookmakers get popped, and then only for taxes if they can prove lots of profit. It's no more than a misdemeanor to make a bet in Texas at least. The taxes are another thing.

 
Unlucky said:
Let's say you put an update on your Facebook page, Twitter, or posted here about winning/losing a sports bet or playing poker. How safe are you from law enforcement using that against you? I would assume that anything you post can't be the initial trigger to get you in trouble, but I could see it piling on as evidence if you got in trouble for some form of illegal gambling. Unless you were running the sports book or card room, I assume you're pretty safe. Maybe, maybe not?
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I'm constantly surprised that people here post in and start threads about internet piracy and not only admit that they do it but post links for others to follow.
 
Mob mentality in that shark pool thread. Likelihood that it leads to someone doing something stupid is currently high. Best chance to date for FBG to get their one minute of fame IMO.

 
Hooper31 said:
Mob mentality in that shark pool thread. Likelihood that it leads to someone doing something stupid is currently high. Best chance to date for FBG to get their one minute of fame IMO.
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I have no money, no stake, no prior knowledge of this, nor have I interacted with him, and there are people in that thread that are angry that are currently making much more sense than you have been, frankly.

That money should have been in a separate account as soon as the money poured in, and there's just no excuse for it.

Sorry, man, but I can't read your posts over there, ex-mod, ex-friend, ex-whatever.

 
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rockaction said:
That money should have been in a separate account as soon as the money poured in, and there's just no excuse for it.
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I agree. :shrug:

Not sure how I don't make sense. Is it because I doubt he pocketed the money and ran off to Cancun? I think its more likely he did something wrong and ended up broke. Out of everyone involved I think its most likely that he's in the worst position. No, that doesn't excuse his actions, but I doubt you'll find anyone in this big mess that would want to trade places with him after this all gets sorted out.

The guy worked hard to build a solid reputation over 10 years. Then he ####ed up and flushed it, but that doesn't mean you ignore the previous 10 years. If you do, well, okay.

 
Limp Ditka said:
Raider Nation said:
Hooper31 said:
The guy worked hard to build a solid reputation over 10 years. Then he ####ed up and flushed it, but that doesn't mean you ignore the previous 10 years. If you do, well, okay.
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Yeah, I think that's exactly what it means.
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But he's a guy I've exchanged PMs with on the innerwebs. It's like I know him
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Never spoke to the guy, but I've never spoke with bagger, JZilla, or shuke either*. Are you telling me you wouldn't give those guys the benefit of the doubt? How about a little perspective? There's a lot of guys around here that I think are good people. If you think that means I'm naive I can live with that.

* EDIT: Got a call on my cell from Otis once when he was drunk. Have to admit I didn't quite know how to respond to that one.

 
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Limp Ditka said:
rockaction said:
Hooper31 said:
Mob mentality in that shark pool thread. Likelihood that it leads to someone doing something stupid is currently high. Best chance to date for FBG to get their one minute of fame IMO.
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Sorry, man, but I can't read your posts over there, ex-mod, ex-friend, ex-whatever.
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Then how do you know others are making much more sense than he is?
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I don't mean it literally. Vague language. But I think people know that. If I hadn't read his tepid defenses of a former acquaintance of his, how would they have annoyed me so? What would we do without you, LD? :cool:

I shouldn't have directed that at Hooper31 personally, but I think he's one of the ones that tried awfully hard to tilt at defending the indefensible and then came over here sort of complaining about how people are acting like it's something to be dismissive of. So that's where I sort of, after having read and followed that thread, stepped in. That thread may do some good if it amounts to organized legal action.

I think that the money wasn't in escrow speaks for itself, sadly. I don't need motive or speculation about what Mr. Zangrilli did or was doing, and the speculation probably doesn't help. The thing speaks for itself. People's money and time were entrusted to him, I think he promised that the money would be there, and he commingled the funds. It's wrong on all levels. It doesn't need to go any further than that. I hope he is either brought to justice, gets the help he needs (which might be the cause of this) and that his debts are satisfied and the aggrieved parties can be made whole somehow.

 
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Hooper31 said:
rockaction said:
That money should have been in a separate account as soon as the money poured in, and there's just no excuse for it.
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I agree. :shrug:

Not sure how I don't make sense. Is it because I doubt he pocketed the money and ran off to Cancun? I think its more likely he did something wrong and ended up broke. Out of everyone involved I think its most likely that he's in the worst position. No, that doesn't excuse his actions, but I doubt you'll find anyone in this big mess that would want to trade places with him after this all gets sorted out.

The guy worked hard to build a solid reputation over 10 years. Then he ####ed up and flushed it, but that doesn't mean you ignore the previous 10 years. If you do, well, okay.
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Cool. I just got the impression you were defending him more than most. I have a hard time with defenses of him. I think some of the more legal-esque guys were immediately pointing out that the original wrong -- and what looks like the best case scenario of commingling funds -- is bad enough. I honestly hope this gets resolved and hope that the optimists are correct. It's tough to even read about.

 
I noticed that Unlucky changed his avatar after always having the Pirates logo. Seems like this happened this year at some point, as he was really trying to push money into his site so he could buy a helicopter.

 
Hooper31 said:
The guy worked hard to build a solid reputation over 10 years. Then he ####ed up and flushed it, but that doesn't mean you ignore the previous 10 years.
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Sure it does. I don't care what Jeffrey Dahmer did before he started eating people either.

You run off with more than a half million dollars of other people's money (and if you spend it for any reason that's what you've done), and you get what's coming to you. I hope they nail his hide to the wall for everyone else to see for all eternity.

Sorry your friend betrayed your trust though.

 
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Fantasy player: Hey I'm thinking of joining your $1k league. What do I need to know about Phenoms?

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Fantasy player: Do you take a check or paypal?

ZANGRILLILOLOL™: Two methods: send my your Paypal login info or give me your address and I'll fly over to pick up the money.

Fantasy player: :unsure:

 
Which would you respect more:

1. He stole the money and is in Cancun snorting lines off the asses of hoes.

2. He really spent $600K on a stupid piece of software.

3. He lost it gambling.

 
jon_mx said:
Which would you respect more:

1. He stole the money and is in Cancun snorting lines off the asses of hoes.

2. He really spent $600K on a stupid piece of software.

3. He lost it gambling.
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None. The process itself was substantive enough.

 
wdcrob said:
Hooper31 said:
The guy worked hard to build a solid reputation over 10 years. Then he ####ed up and flushed it, but that doesn't mean you ignore the previous 10 years.
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Sure it does. I don't care what Jeffrey Dahmer did before he started eating people either.

You run off with more than a half million dollars of other people's money (and if you spend it for any reason that's what you've done), and you get what's coming to you. I hope they nail his hide to the wall for everyone else to see for all eternity.

Sorry your friend betrayed your trust though.
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Run off? He might have. Sure there's a chance of that. I haven't met Mike face to face. I haven't communicated with the guy for a lot of years. If you feel better calling him my "friend", you just do what you need to do.

Its a choice. I tend to give guys the benefit of the doubt on a sliding scale. The more get to know someone the more I'm going to trust them. I don't really know Mike. Probably only a smidgen better than anyone else around here. I watched him build a reputation over a long time. A year ago If you had asked for people to vouch for guy on this message board you would have found a long line of people willing to stand up for him. Now? Not so much.

Comparing him to a guy that murdered and ate his victims? Well, okay then. There's that approach.

 
St. Louis Bob said:
What now?
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Unlucky stole/lost people's prize money for his Phenoms leagues. Its a lot of money.

Reactions have been varying on a sliding scale of rationality. Someone posted his father's address and phone number to a threads. Most are likely sitting back hoping they can get some form of return on their money.

 
Hooper31 said:
St. Louis Bob said:
What now?
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Unlucky stole/lost people's prize money for his Phenoms leagues. Its a lot of money.

Reactions have been varying on a sliding scale of rationality. Someone posted his father's address and phone number to a threads. Most are likely sitting back hoping they can get some form of return on their money knowing there is no chance in hell they will receive crap.
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fixed.

 
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Out of everyone involved I think its most likely that he's in the worst position.
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Lol.

Usually unless a murder is involved, criminals are in the worst position.

He also was the only person involved who made the decision to actually you know....be involved.

 
Hooper31 said:
joffer said:
think I agree with Hooper
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I got my reasons. Why do you hate America?
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This -- and your deleted post that I will get in my email -- sets up a nice straw man for those that know he acted unethically, immorally, out of sorts with his profession and professed safekeeping, that he might be civilly liable, and that he possibly acted criminally.

 
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jon_mx said:
Which would you respect more:

1. He stole the money and is in Cancun snorting lines off the asses of hoes.

2. He really spent $600K on a stupid piece of software.

3. He lost it gambling.
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Interesting question. Stupid wins over crooked. 2,3,1
 
If a brohoncho gets a bunch of broinhos to safekeep their fantasy $ with him he should take it to the bank

 
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Hooper31 said:
rockaction said:
Hooper31 said:
joffer said:
think I agree with Hooper
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I got my reasons. Why do you hate America?
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This
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Go ahead and tell me why "this".
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I just deleted a post out of propriety, but safe to say that I'm kind of unimpressed by your credulity, inferential reasoning, and tactics and substance within debating.

That's about it. I don't think I'm concerned any longer with your opinions on the matter, and I say that without anger.

Thanks, man.

-RA

 
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Hooper31 said:
St. Louis Bob said:
What now?
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Unlucky stole/lost people's prize money for his Phenoms leagues. Its a lot of money.

Reactions have been varying on a sliding scale of rationality. Someone posted his father's address and phone number to a threads. Most are likely sitting back hoping they can get some form of return on their money.
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Gotcha. He netted 600k from people here?
 
rockaction said:
I just deleted a post out of propriety, but safe to say that I'm kind of unimpressed by your credulity, inferential reasoning, and tactics and substance within debating.
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I don't understand why you think there's a debate going on. Neither of us knows exactly what happened. To each their own.

 
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