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Skinsfans/SP, do you think RG3 was a 1 year wonder? (1 Viewer)

F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.

He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).

 
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat.

So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.

He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.

He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.

But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.

 
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat.

So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.

He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.

He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.

But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
I'll let others decide for themselves when reading our short exchange here who is the biased one.

But for my part, this exchange is over. You're insufferable in every way, and there's no upside in further discussing this with you.

 
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He's a bum.

the premaddona 1 read cripple.
Dude, c'mon now. I don't want to get in the middle of this slap fight but to say RG3 is a bum? He was amazing at Baylor and also early on his rookie year. He hurt his knee and IMO rushed back way early. You also must factor in an aging coach who appears to some that the game may have passed him by at this point. An OC who is that coach's son…it's very premature to close the book and no matter how many names you call him on a faceless message board behind the comforts of your keyboard, it doesn't change the facts.

You can dismiss college but he is not a bum, he does a lot of good work in the local community wherever he goes, he has a wonderful wife, I really think you are going about this wrong instead of focusing on things like perhaps his mechanics and overcompensating for the knee injury.

Do as you like but you border on foolish and I don't think that's how you want to play this. I don't own RG3 in any leagues or formats, just was not there when I went to make selections but I would dial this back a bit or pick some new things other than name calling.

 
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F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat.

So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.

He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.

He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.

But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
:thumbup:

 
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.

He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
It depends on what you conside

F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.

He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
It depends on what you consider a bust. He's a second overall draft pick who a team gave up their future to get. He is not playing well and many believe he will not have a very long career. If you give up three very high first round draft picks and the guy plays 6 years that is a bust but we can't see the future. I do know that his development has stalled and the deep ball that he was lauded for looks terrible. He's had two major injuries and every time he gets hit he looks like he wants to stay down.

Knowing what I know now I think the trade itself is busting, but the player is not a bust yet.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He's a bum.

the premaddona 1 read cripple.
Dude, c'mon now. I don't want to get in the middle of this slap fight but to say RG3 is a bum? He was amazing at Baylor and also early on his rookie year. He hurt his knee and IMO rushed back way early. You also must factor in an aging coach who appears to some that the game may have passed him by at this point. An OC who is that coach's son…it's very premature to close the book and no matter how many names you call him on a faceless message board behind the comforts of your keyboard, it doesn't change the facts.

You can dismiss college but he is not a bum, he does a lot of good work in the local community wherever he goes, he has a wonderful wife, I really think you are going about this wrong instead of focusing on things like perhaps his mechanics and overcompensating for the knee injury.

Do as you like but you border on foolish and I don't think that's how you want to play this. I don't own RG3 in any leagues or formats, just was not there when I went to make selections but I would dial this back a bit or pick some new things other than name calling.
He was great in Baylor, but Baylor has been better since he left and their new QB is just as good as RG3.

Also, you can't blame his coach for RG3's lack of success when that coach implemented a scheme that the NFL hadn't seen in order to cater to the kid and in turn made the kid look better than he really was.

He's not a bum and anyone who says he's a bust has an agenda but he shouldn't be given a free pass either. Not saying that you are, but many are.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat. So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.

He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.

He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.

But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
I'll let others decide for themselves when reading our short exchange here who is the biased one. But for my part, this exchange is over. You're insufferable in every way, and there's no upside in further discussing this with you.
:lmao: OK.

 
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In my opinion, the ability to run is what made (or makes, depending upon your perspective), RG 3 a true qb1. He is not an exceptionally proficient passer and, as pointed out earlier, does tend to lock on his first option. He is not particularly accurate either. While he's not Jake Locker in the pocket, he is certainly not Brees or Brady, either. As a fantasy qb, to me he's a solid backup, not a guy I'm taking to be my qb1. His injury has made him a very different, much more limited player, this year. While I'm not willing to write him off, his trajectory as both an NFL and fantasy passer has taken a significant hit this year. He's played 10+ games this year, so it's not as if he's had a poor two or three game stretch. I think next year, after a full year of being "recovered" because he doesn't look recovered to me, will make it easier to draw a definitive opinion, because there is no denying he has regressed this year.

 
In my opinion, the ability to run is what made (or makes, depending upon your perspective), RG 3 a true qb1. He is not an exceptionally proficient passer and, as pointed out earlier, does tend to lock on his first option. He is not particularly accurate either. While he's not Jake Locker in the pocket, he is certainly not Brees or Brady, either. As a fantasy qb, to me he's a solid backup, not a guy I'm taking to be my qb1. His injury has made him a very different, much more limited player, this year. While I'm not willing to write him off, his trajectory as both an NFL and fantasy passer has taken a significant hit this year. He's played 10+ games this year, so it's not as if he's had a poor two or three game stretch. I think next year, after a full year of being "recovered" because he doesn't look recovered to me, will make it easier to draw a definitive opinion, because there is no denying he has regressed this year.
Well done

 
RG3 has looked bad most of the year, but he's a great kid with a good head on his shoulders. Hard to imagine anyone really rooting against him. Heck, I'm a lifelong die-hard Eagles fan and I can't bring myself to want him to fail.

That said, he has some tendencies which lead me to think he'll be a better fantasy QB than NFL QB over time, and was a bit over-rated coming into the year. Still not a bum destined to fail...just not a perennial all-pro in the making either

 
Understand there are a number of factors here regarding the entire teams regression. First, he didnt have an offseason, which has impacted his growth as a qb as well as the growth of the system. This is important for any young QB. Being that they couldnt really make changes/improvements to the system, defenses have adapted (as they have to most of the offenses that were running the option). Now, last year, he spent much time outside the pocket which masked the pass blocking ability of our oline. He has very little time to throw while in the pocket and notice he gets hit more while in the pocket. People like to say he needs to stop running but its actually better that he plays more outside the pocket with this line (as long as he is smart). Also note, that he doesn't have many weapons to work with (there have been many drops by the wrs) and frankly they all seem to be out of sync most likely due to a lack of an offseason to work together.

Is he playing great? No. But hes not playing awful either. His passer rating and completion percentage are about middle of the road. Give him a healthy offseason, some additional talent on the oline and to throw to (now that we no longer have this cap penalty) and some more time in the system and i think you will see a much better RG3 next season.

 
The people saying he isn't accurate are crazy. Right now, he is not but clearly his knee is bothering him when stepping into his throws. I think after another year of getting healthy and upgrades at the O line and WR core, he will surprise a lot of people. I blame a lot of this on the coaching staff throwing him in way too early after the freak AP came back so quickly.

 
The people saying he isn't accurate are crazy. Right now, he is not but clearly his knee is bothering him when stepping into his throws. I think after another year of getting healthy and upgrades at the O line and WR core, he will surprise a lot of people. I blame a lot of this on the coaching staff throwing him in way too early after the freak AP came back so quickly.
I dont think he came back early. He did enough and physically the lcl is fine. But your body has to learn to play on it and trust it again. and you cant learn that in practice. Only way you learn that is on the field.

 
Exactly my point. He doesn't feel confident in stepping into his throws. Combine that with no training camp for a 2nd year player and not having the explosiveness he had last year and he can't mask a lot of the weaknesses of the line and WRs. I know a lot of skins fans are in full panic mode now but I really think next year they will look like they did last season. He may never be a top 5 QB but he will give them the ability to win if their D can be average. A lot of that starts with bringing in a D coach not named Haslett.

 
Exactly my point. He doesn't feel confident in stepping into his throws. Combine that with no training camp for a 2nd year player and not having the explosiveness he had last year and he can't mask a lot of the weaknesses of the line and WRs. I know a lot of skins fans are in full panic mode now but I really think next year they will look like they did last season. He may never be a top 5 QB but he will give them the ability to win if their D can be average. A lot of that starts with bringing in a D coach not named Haslett.
Yes alot does fall on coaching as well. Haslett needs to go. All in all, RG3 has top 5 upside. I mean last season he has top 5 stats. I think he can get close to that again once healthy.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
Romo is so awesome he can throw 2 INTs during his bye week :thumbup:

 
I've said this in other threads, but look at the non-Peterson history of ACL tears and no one had a great first year back. Not Brady, not Welker, not McNabb. (OK, I'll give you Jamaal Charles last year). I'm not saying there aren't some clear areas where he needs to improve, or that the injury concerns aren't going to always be present, but the notion that you can make any definitive pronouncements on a guy who's less than a year removed from a major knee reconstruction is ridiculous.

 
I've said this in other threads, but look at the non-Peterson history of ACL tears and no one had a great first year back. Not Brady, not Welker, not McNabb. (OK, I'll give you Jamaal Charles last year). I'm not saying there aren't some clear areas where he needs to improve, or that the injury concerns aren't going to always be present, but the notion that you can make any definitive pronouncements on a guy who's less than a year removed from a major knee reconstruction is ridiculous.
Charles doesn't really count the same, he tore his like week 1, didn't he? He had an entire year to heal.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
Romo is so awesome he can throw 2 INTs during his bye week :thumbup:
Romo is a fine QB who is relied on to do too much. He obviously feels the pressure of the moment and crumbles under pressure. There is a reason he went un-drafted.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with Ole' swivel knee.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat.

So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.

He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.

He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.

But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
he didn't just look "good", he had one of the best rookie seasons in league history...

massive Y/A, miserly INT rate, led a near bottom five team to the playoffs...

when healthy, one of the best running QBs ever, an olympic caliber hurdler... you realize he is only about ten months removed from his ACL surgery, right?

gale sayer's from Brian's Song called and wants your knee injury is a death blow to a player's career shtick back! :)

why assume he will never run again?

is every player that has a knee injury at 22 in full blown career death spiral mode in your world, and never regains their form?

you might be reading a lot into their record, but the defense is giving up 31.9 P/G, barely better than dead last JAX at 32.3 P/G, that might have a little bit to do with it.

were you right about RGIII being a bum... LAST YEAR? :)

did you predict the ACL injury?

are you predicting future ACL injuries? if so, let us know when it is going to happen, and the board can make a lot of money off of your gift of foresight (well, except for the being a bum in 2012 part).

of course when you make a contrarian call, especially an extremist one, you are going to have to be prepared to defend that position, against others taking a hard position against you, that is just in the nature of taking an extremist position...

personally, i wouldn't have said andrew luck was a bum... but if I did, and I was aware of the implications of such a contrarian and extremist position, it wouldn't be a surprise if nearly everybody disagreed with me, and i certainly wouldn't be bitter about it... or gloat if he blew out his ACL because it made me think i was "vindicated" and "proven right".

when you make a truly outlier, bizarro call and it hits, you get to look like a genius... when you completely whiff, like last year, of course the flip side is you are going to look foolish (i don't mean personally, but for the call), it comes with the territory, again, no reason to be bitter...

BTW, the reason it usually takes not one, but two years to return to form from an ACL injury, has less to do with scar tissue and stiffness, than the time it takes for the impacted area to "rewire" and "reroute" disrupted nerves, and proprioceptively relearn how to move the joint naturally again... by that time frame, he will still only be a year removed from the injury in jan of 2014... he could make significant strides running and passing, by next season.

 
RG3 spent the entire offseason rehabbing to be able to walk and run, not play NFL QB.

He played well enough his rookie year to make me think this season was lost mostly due to the knee. Now, that may very well not be true, he might just be a very average QB, but I am not using THIS season to say that, not give the situation he dealt with and currently deals with. He is not back to where he was physically. ANd not only that, because of the extensive rehab he needed to do just to get on the field, he isn't where he needed to be inside his brain for being an NFL QB, and I think the knee rehab played a HUGE HUGE HUGE roll in that.

 
This has come up in the Wash/Den thread
It came up because you started it there. And got laughed at. No need to add floaters to the pool. ITS MAD full of them already.
That's not true at all. Someone else said he was a 1 year wonder and when I took exception to it, that's when things started moving in this direction and I wanted to hear form the Redskins fan base to see if perhaps I was alone in my feelings about RG3 NOT being a 1 year wonder and obviously we have a 2 page thread on it now. But thanks for checking in here and trying to paint it your way.
:shrug: Braveheart fans have put all of their collective eggs in the RGIII basket. Why would any of them concede that he is not a great QB? When he was healthy, he was exciting to watch, but I'm not sure we are ever going to see a gimmick QB be successful for an entire season, let alone after the NFL has time to game plan for the guy.
do you think of randall cunningham and michael vick as gimmick QBs? certainly defenses had ample time to scout them after their rookie years... they were both four time pro bowlers... cunningham wasn't really a student of the game, but got by on his formidable athleticism, and vick's career was of course interrupted in his prime, or they could have been even more successful...

why can't his career unfold like their's?

RGIII is bigger than vick, and shorter, but stockier than cunningham's listed measurables?

 
I think what we are seeing this year more than anything is the weakness of the Wash roster. RG3 needs to be full speed and fully healthy to be capable of carrying this Skins team. His limitations due to the knee are exploiting the roster IMO. They lack playmakers in the passing game and running game. RG3 needs to be the playmaker. Right now he can't be.
Rodgers is throwing to practice squad players and has a 4th round rookie LT protecting them. RG3 is not playing well because of RG3, not because of the players around him.
So what you're saying is that Robert Griffin III is not as good as the best QB in the NFL today?
I'm saying the players around you aren't an excuse for not making plays.
Why are you ignoring the fact that he is still recovering from a devastating knee injury?
I don't agree that it prevents him from making plays with his arm.
but don't QBs and pitchers in baseball generate power from their lower body... it's not like griffin is a floating, legless torso, or playing from a lazy boy recliner.

 
did Tom Brady need to work on his passing when he wasn't as accurate after returning from an ACL injury (which, BTW, I think happened earlier in the season than RGIIIs, giving him more recovery time)... or did the accuracy return once his knee was sufficiently healed?

 
did Tom Brady need to work on his passing when he wasn't as accurate after returning from an ACL injury (which, BTW, I think happened earlier in the season than RGIIIs, giving him more recovery time)... or did the accuracy return once his knee was sufficiently healed?
I lot of RG3s inaccurate throws are due to pressure in the pocket. I know the nature of our offense (the zone read) gets the QB hit quite a bit, but he is hit within 2 seconds of the snap more often than not.

I know it's comparing apples to oranges but watching Peyton Manning never get hit last night made me envious. We all see what happens when RG3 gets the time to stay in the pocket and throw without somebody around his legs as he plants.

 
He sucks right now. They need to give him one more year and if he sucks next year they need to move on. Everytime he gets hit he looks like he weighs 180 pounds they way he flops all over the place.

 
RG3 spent the entire offseason rehabbing to be able to walk and run, not play NFL QB.

He played well enough his rookie year to make me think this season was lost mostly due to the knee. Now, that may very well not be true, he might just be a very average QB, but I am not using THIS season to say that, not give the situation he dealt with and currently deals with. He is not back to where he was physically. ANd not only that, because of the extensive rehab he needed to do just to get on the field, he isn't where he needed to be inside his brain for being an NFL QB, and I think the knee rehab played a HUGE HUGE HUGE roll in that.
I think you hit the nail right on the head here. When your entire offseason as about getting your knee back to 100%, you don't have time to spend working on your drop backs, timing with WRs, reading defenses, etc. This season is a lost cause and hopefully next offseason RG3, Garcon, Reed, and whoever else our WRs will be, just spend the whole offseason running routes and working on timing.

 
He sucks right now. They need to give him one more year and if he sucks next year they need to move on. Everytime he gets hit he looks like he weighs 180 pounds they way he flops all over the place.
how was he last year, before the knee injury?

how did Brady look after the knee injury?

did Brady improve, once his knee did?

any reason to think otherwise than that RGIII has the same problem, and can similarly overcome it once healthy?

 
Dude there is a pretty big difference between RG3 and Brady. Their games are totally different. One relies on his wheels one doesn't.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.

Bandwagon is full.
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.

Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.

Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.

You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat. So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.

He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.

He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.

But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
he didn't just look "good", he had one of the best rookie seasons in league history...massive Y/A, miserly INT rate, led a near bottom five team to the playoffs...

when healthy, one of the best running QBs ever, an olympic caliber hurdler... you realize he is only about ten months removed from his ACL surgery, right?

gale sayer's from Brian's Song called and wants your knee injury is a death blow to a player's career shtick back! :)

why assume he will never run again?

is every player that has a knee injury at 22 in full blown career death spiral mode in your world, and never regains their form?

you might be reading a lot into their record, but the defense is giving up 31.9 P/G, barely better than dead last JAX at 32.3 P/G, that might have a little bit to do with it.

were you right about RGIII being a bum... LAST YEAR? :)

did you predict the ACL injury?

are you predicting future ACL injuries? if so, let us know when it is going to happen, and the board can make a lot of money off of your gift of foresight (well, except for the being a bum in 2012 part).

of course when you make a contrarian call, especially an extremist one, you are going to have to be prepared to defend that position, against others taking a hard position against you, that is just in the nature of taking an extremist position...

personally, i wouldn't have said andrew luck was a bum... but if I did, and I was aware of the implications of such a contrarian and extremist position, it wouldn't be a surprise if nearly everybody disagreed with me, and i certainly wouldn't be bitter about it... or gloat if he blew out his ACL because it made me think i was "vindicated" and "proven right".

when you make a truly outlier, bizarro call and it hits, you get to look like a genius... when you completely whiff, like last year, of course the flip side is you are going to look foolish (i don't mean personally, but for the call), it comes with the territory, again, no reason to be bitter...

BTW, the reason it usually takes not one, but two years to return to form from an ACL injury, has less to do with scar tissue and stiffness, than the time it takes for the impacted area to "rewire" and "reroute" disrupted nerves, and proprioceptively relearn how to move the joint naturally again... by that time frame, he will still only be a year removed from the injury in jan of 2014... he could make significant strides running and passing, by next season.
Was I right last year ? You tell me?I predicted he would get hurt. He did.

Sure he looked great while running a tailor made offense that relies on him to run the ball like a running back. Something that has proven to be detrimental to the heath of the quarterback.

He was good ONE year at Baylor. NOBODY had Robert Griffin III on their radar prior to that year. How's Baylor doing this year ?

So a year later, two major knee operations and a year of film has caught up to him.

Will he be more healthy next year? Maybe. Let's say he's 100% the player at 24/25 as he was at 22. What are you going to do, run him again? For how long? Till the next injury? He already gets rag dolled like rag doll physics in a video game from 1999 as it is every time he gets tackled.

The other alternative is to turn him into a more conventional pocket passer, something that he has struggles mightily with up to this point. Let's say you go do that. What's the point? Why not draft a guy who excels at that?

IMO RGIII plays out of position. He's Devin Hester with a arm. He should be used sparingly, not the featured piece of your offense.

And to the talk of him being roughly the same size as Elway and Steve Young coming out of College... That's fine and all but correct me if I'm wrong , but does RGIII get to play against the same size and speed as defensive players from the early 80's like they did?

Quarterbacks used to run all the time.... in the 20-40's. There is a reason they stopped doing that.... Because they got hurt.

This wasn't a bold call by me to say RGIII was going to get hurt and struggle. It was and is inevitable.

 
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some of my post was just to check and see if you agreed that it makes sense, if you make a contrarian call, it it is the nature of things and comes with the territory, to be surrounded by those that disagree with you...

but if you own that call, no need to be bitter... if you were respectful, and others were disrespectful, that is wrong... you are coming off kind of strong here, so if you did that from the beginning (like the # all you! :) ), I could see how that might make your contrarian take even more of a target for increased scrutiny...

to be fair, when you are right, we should say so... and when you are wrong, you should be forthright, not beat around the bush, or bluster, and admit it...

were you right last year?

all I know about what you said prior is what I have read above... if you said he was a bum before the draft, and he had one of the greatest rookie season's ever (winning rookie of the year in one of the best QB classes since 1983, in which luck and wilson also made the playoffs), it's not possible to take you seriously if you don't acknowledge you were wrong last year...

if you had said, he will have a historic rookie season due to them having a freaky offense geared to his running skills, THEN he will tear an ACL in the playoffs... THAT would have been prescient, and an accurate take... but you made it sound like, and were kind of playing it up, that beforehand you just gave it a blanket, umbrella bum call...

not only was that not right, that is about as far off the mark as could be imagined...

you were wrong about the regular season... you were right once he got to the playoffs, so credit where that is due.

he did get hurt, but did you predict he would tear his ACL?

but let's leave that for now, because you claim to have a deep insight into how his future will unfold...

now, if he was really devin hester with an arm, that is a pretty outlandish claim, GIVEN his historically good rookie year... the onus should be on you, to back that up, and explain why, when he is not the first running QB to ever come down the pike, why did he put up some historic numbers, in several passing metrics, for a rookie (look it up), like Y/A and low INT percentage... did cunningham and vick = hester with an arm? yet RGIII did better in some respects... they were both four time pro bowlers, and for reasons noted upthread, probably could have had a few more... I didn't mention elway and young, maybe others have, but vick has flashed success in contemporary times, so it isn't like he was going against circa red grange era-sized defenders.

imo, currently, we don't have a definitive answer on how to disentangle some of these variables, and how much of his drop off is due to the league having a "year of film", and how much is due to a torn ACL TEN MONTHS AGO! you do acknowledge that players tend to move more fluidly and be more explosive when they have more than ten months to recuperate? say, by the start of next training camp and preseason, he will be about a year and a half removed from the injury?

again, since you seem to be in the injury prediction business, if he does run more than this year in 2014 (while perhaps less than his rookie year), hook the board up with your pre-cog chops... how will he be injured? what will be the severity? when will he be hurt? how often? how many games will he miss in 2014, 2015, 2016, etc?

aaron rodgers (noted upthread) is a very adept runner, but he is more experienced and smarter about it... that way he doesn't have to be from the 20s-40s? RGIII is pretty bright, has a strong work ethic and desire to succeed, I think he has a chance to be special if he figures this stuff out, and he has the tools to do it...

again, if your position was he was a bum, you were wrong last year, he did get hurt in the regular season, but not in a way that prevented him from a well deserved ROY award, in a class with stiff competition... his struggles this year aren't inevitable if they are injury related (some people apparently haven't heard of body mechanics, and are actually asking... what do you need legs for, when you throw with your arm... point taken, most of us don't actually grasp the football with our feet :) ), and he recovers... we don't know what the offense will look like when he returns to form (and are there any reasons to think he won't, don't most NFL players when they have one of the top orthopedic surgeons on the planet working on them?)... you can speculate, but that is guessing, not inevitable...

if you think otherwise, refer to the list of questions above about injury specific predictions, their nature, severity and frequency.

* not trying to be ridiculous with the last part about injury predictions... but unless you are going on the record saying he will absolutely, definitely have serial catastrophic injuries that will shorten his career and impede it in the interim... than merely saying he may have a few injuries, you aren't really sure how bad, if they will be more ACLs or not... doesn't sound so bad... in which case, why the arch negativity, and why pull the parachute ripcord just ten games into an injury-clouded soph season, after one of the greatest rookie seasons ever for a QB?

 
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I've said this in other threads, but look at the non-Peterson history of ACL tears and no one had a great first year back. Not Brady, not Welker, not McNabb. (OK, I'll give you Jamaal Charles last year). I'm not saying there aren't some clear areas where he needs to improve, or that the injury concerns aren't going to always be present, but the notion that you can make any definitive pronouncements on a guy who's less than a year removed from a major knee reconstruction is ridiculous.
Charles doesn't really count the same, he tore his like week 1, didn't he? He had an entire year to heal.
True, though so did Brady.

 
This offense is an abortion. This receiving corps is an abortion. This OL is an abortion.

But make no mistake. RG3 has been awful as well. Just a lost year all around. Except for Morris.

 
This offense is an abortion. This receiving corps is an abortion. This OL is an abortion.

But make no mistake. RG3 has been awful as well. Just a lost year all around. Except for Morris.
You follow the Skins much closer than I do. Is there any chance that they give Cousins a look?

 
This offense is an abortion. This receiving corps is an abortion. This OL is an abortion.

But make no mistake. RG3 has been awful as well. Just a lost year all around. Except for Morris.
You follow the Skins much closer than I do. Is there any chance that they give Cousins a look?
I honestly don't know. I think you have to let Griffin work out of this funk, but the Shanahans are quickly losing this team.

 
This offense is an abortion. This receiving corps is an abortion. This OL is an abortion.

But make no mistake. RG3 has been awful as well. Just a lost year all around. Except for Morris.
You follow the Skins much closer than I do. Is there any chance that they give Cousins a look?
I honestly don't know. I think you have to let Griffin work out of this funk, but the Shanahans are quickly losing this team.
zero chance that cousins comes in baring an injury. This is all part of getting back. He needs to play. He needs the experience. Hes struggling as many 2nd year QBs do. But the whole team is. Its all part of the learning process and getting back to 100% and he cant do that on the sidelines.

 

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