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It's not garbage time if they tie it up.His only meaningful production has come late in a sizeable deficitupdate?
It's not garbage time if they tie it up.His only meaningful production has come late in a sizeable deficitupdate?
It's not garbage time if they tie it up.His only meaningful production has come late against prevent defenseupdate?
And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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Well that settles thatF all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat.And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
I'll let others decide for themselves when reading our short exchange here who is the biased one.He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat.And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.
He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.
He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.
But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
Dude, c'mon now. I don't want to get in the middle of this slap fight but to say RG3 is a bum? He was amazing at Baylor and also early on his rookie year. He hurt his knee and IMO rushed back way early. You also must factor in an aging coach who appears to some that the game may have passed him by at this point. An OC who is that coach's son…it's very premature to close the book and no matter how many names you call him on a faceless message board behind the comforts of your keyboard, it doesn't change the facts.He's a bum.And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
Bandwagon is full.
Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
the premaddona 1 read cripple.
He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat.And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
Bandwagon is full.
Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.
He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.
He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.
But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
It depends on what you consideAnd you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.
Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
It depends on what you consider a bust. He's a second overall draft pick who a team gave up their future to get. He is not playing well and many believe he will not have a very long career. If you give up three very high first round draft picks and the guy plays 6 years that is a bust but we can't see the future. I do know that his development has stalled and the deep ball that he was lauded for looks terrible. He's had two major injuries and every time he gets hit he looks like he wants to stay down.And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.
Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He was great in Baylor, but Baylor has been better since he left and their new QB is just as good as RG3.Ministry of Pain said:Dude, c'mon now. I don't want to get in the middle of this slap fight but to say RG3 is a bum? He was amazing at Baylor and also early on his rookie year. He hurt his knee and IMO rushed back way early. You also must factor in an aging coach who appears to some that the game may have passed him by at this point. An OC who is that coach's son…it's very premature to close the book and no matter how many names you call him on a faceless message board behind the comforts of your keyboard, it doesn't change the facts.STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:He's a bum.ConnSKINS26 said:And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well.He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
Bandwagon is full.
Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
the premaddona 1 read cripple.
You can dismiss college but he is not a bum, he does a lot of good work in the local community wherever he goes, he has a wonderful wife, I really think you are going about this wrong instead of focusing on things like perhaps his mechanics and overcompensating for the knee injury.
Do as you like but you border on foolish and I don't think that's how you want to play this. I don't own RG3 in any leagues or formats, just was not there when I went to make selections but I would dial this back a bit or pick some new things other than name calling.
OK.ConnSKINS26 said:I'll let others decide for themselves when reading our short exchange here who is the biased one. But for my part, this exchange is over. You're insufferable in every way, and there's no upside in further discussing this with you.STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat. So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.ConnSKINS26 said:And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
Bandwagon is full.
Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.
He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.
But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
Pat Benatar?STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
Well doneIn my opinion, the ability to run is what made (or makes, depending upon your perspective), RG 3 a true qb1. He is not an exceptionally proficient passer and, as pointed out earlier, does tend to lock on his first option. He is not particularly accurate either. While he's not Jake Locker in the pocket, he is certainly not Brees or Brady, either. As a fantasy qb, to me he's a solid backup, not a guy I'm taking to be my qb1. His injury has made him a very different, much more limited player, this year. While I'm not willing to write him off, his trajectory as both an NFL and fantasy passer has taken a significant hit this year. He's played 10+ games this year, so it's not as if he's had a poor two or three game stretch. I think next year, after a full year of being "recovered" because he doesn't look recovered to me, will make it easier to draw a definitive opinion, because there is no denying he has regressed this year.
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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I dont think he came back early. He did enough and physically the lcl is fine. But your body has to learn to play on it and trust it again. and you cant learn that in practice. Only way you learn that is on the field.The people saying he isn't accurate are crazy. Right now, he is not but clearly his knee is bothering him when stepping into his throws. I think after another year of getting healthy and upgrades at the O line and WR core, he will surprise a lot of people. I blame a lot of this on the coaching staff throwing him in way too early after the freak AP came back so quickly.
Yes alot does fall on coaching as well. Haslett needs to go. All in all, RG3 has top 5 upside. I mean last season he has top 5 stats. I think he can get close to that again once healthy.Exactly my point. He doesn't feel confident in stepping into his throws. Combine that with no training camp for a 2nd year player and not having the explosiveness he had last year and he can't mask a lot of the weaknesses of the line and WRs. I know a lot of skins fans are in full panic mode now but I really think next year they will look like they did last season. He may never be a top 5 QB but he will give them the ability to win if their D can be average. A lot of that starts with bringing in a D coach not named Haslett.
Romo is so awesome he can throw 2 INTs during his bye weekSTEADYMOBBIN 22 said:F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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Charles doesn't really count the same, he tore his like week 1, didn't he? He had an entire year to heal.I've said this in other threads, but look at the non-Peterson history of ACL tears and no one had a great first year back. Not Brady, not Welker, not McNabb. (OK, I'll give you Jamaal Charles last year). I'm not saying there aren't some clear areas where he needs to improve, or that the injury concerns aren't going to always be present, but the notion that you can make any definitive pronouncements on a guy who's less than a year removed from a major knee reconstruction is ridiculous.
Romo is a fine QB who is relied on to do too much. He obviously feels the pressure of the moment and crumbles under pressure. There is a reason he went un-drafted.Romo is so awesome he can throw 2 INTs during his bye weekSTEADYMOBBIN 22 said:F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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he didn't just look "good", he had one of the best rookie seasons in league history...STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat.ConnSKINS26 said:And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
Bandwagon is full.
Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.
He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.
He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.
But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
do you think of randall cunningham and michael vick as gimmick QBs? certainly defenses had ample time to scout them after their rookie years... they were both four time pro bowlers... cunningham wasn't really a student of the game, but got by on his formidable athleticism, and vick's career was of course interrupted in his prime, or they could have been even more successful...Braveheart fans have put all of their collective eggs in the RGIII basket. Why would any of them concede that he is not a great QB? When he was healthy, he was exciting to watch, but I'm not sure we are ever going to see a gimmick QB be successful for an entire season, let alone after the NFL has time to game plan for the guy.That's not true at all. Someone else said he was a 1 year wonder and when I took exception to it, that's when things started moving in this direction and I wanted to hear form the Redskins fan base to see if perhaps I was alone in my feelings about RG3 NOT being a 1 year wonder and obviously we have a 2 page thread on it now. But thanks for checking in here and trying to paint it your way.It came up because you started it there. And got laughed at. No need to add floaters to the pool. ITS MAD full of them already.This has come up in the Wash/Den thread
but don't QBs and pitchers in baseball generate power from their lower body... it's not like griffin is a floating, legless torso, or playing from a lazy boy recliner.I don't agree that it prevents him from making plays with his arm.Why are you ignoring the fact that he is still recovering from a devastating knee injury?I'm saying the players around you aren't an excuse for not making plays.So what you're saying is that Robert Griffin III is not as good as the best QB in the NFL today?Rodgers is throwing to practice squad players and has a 4th round rookie LT protecting them. RG3 is not playing well because of RG3, not because of the players around him.I think what we are seeing this year more than anything is the weakness of the Wash roster. RG3 needs to be full speed and fully healthy to be capable of carrying this Skins team. His limitations due to the knee are exploiting the roster IMO. They lack playmakers in the passing game and running game. RG3 needs to be the playmaker. Right now he can't be.
I lot of RG3s inaccurate throws are due to pressure in the pocket. I know the nature of our offense (the zone read) gets the QB hit quite a bit, but he is hit within 2 seconds of the snap more often than not.did Tom Brady need to work on his passing when he wasn't as accurate after returning from an ACL injury (which, BTW, I think happened earlier in the season than RGIIIs, giving him more recovery time)... or did the accuracy return once his knee was sufficiently healed?
I think you hit the nail right on the head here. When your entire offseason as about getting your knee back to 100%, you don't have time to spend working on your drop backs, timing with WRs, reading defenses, etc. This season is a lost cause and hopefully next offseason RG3, Garcon, Reed, and whoever else our WRs will be, just spend the whole offseason running routes and working on timing.RG3 spent the entire offseason rehabbing to be able to walk and run, not play NFL QB.
He played well enough his rookie year to make me think this season was lost mostly due to the knee. Now, that may very well not be true, he might just be a very average QB, but I am not using THIS season to say that, not give the situation he dealt with and currently deals with. He is not back to where he was physically. ANd not only that, because of the extensive rehab he needed to do just to get on the field, he isn't where he needed to be inside his brain for being an NFL QB, and I think the knee rehab played a HUGE HUGE HUGE roll in that.
how was he last year, before the knee injury?He sucks right now. They need to give him one more year and if he sucks next year they need to move on. Everytime he gets hit he looks like he weighs 180 pounds they way he flops all over the place.
Was I right last year ? You tell me?I predicted he would get hurt. He did.he didn't just look "good", he had one of the best rookie seasons in league history...massive Y/A, miserly INT rate, led a near bottom five team to the playoffs...STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:He's a bum. He will NEVER ever hold up to last through a playoff run. Now that he has been nerfed he isn't a threat. So he looked good one year before anyone had game film on him and wasn't hurt.ConnSKINS26 said:And you still sound like an idiot. His rookie year he played well, this year he's not playing well. He's still just a 2nd year player with tons of potential.STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:F all of you. I've been saying he was going to bust before he was drafted and got castrated for it.
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Saying he's going to end up good or great makes you sound overly optimistic and stupid.
Saying he's going to end up bad or a bust makes you sound overly negative and stupid.
You're not right, yet. You may be, in time. Or you may not be. But right now, you sound like an idiot gloating. Because he's still a 23 year old QB who's probably getting a new coaching staff this offseason and a fresh start to his career (especially if he's finally 100% healthy by then).
He isn't going to be the same player at 22 years old EVER again. He isn't even remotely the passer you think he is. You're betting on his performance from last year which was only possible because of his effectiveness as a runner.
He stares down receivers and overthrows everybody.
But go head and try to defend your boy , the premaddona 1 read cripple.
when healthy, one of the best running QBs ever, an olympic caliber hurdler... you realize he is only about ten months removed from his ACL surgery, right?
gale sayer's from Brian's Song called and wants your knee injury is a death blow to a player's career shtick back!
why assume he will never run again?
is every player that has a knee injury at 22 in full blown career death spiral mode in your world, and never regains their form?
you might be reading a lot into their record, but the defense is giving up 31.9 P/G, barely better than dead last JAX at 32.3 P/G, that might have a little bit to do with it.
were you right about RGIII being a bum... LAST YEAR?
did you predict the ACL injury?
are you predicting future ACL injuries? if so, let us know when it is going to happen, and the board can make a lot of money off of your gift of foresight (well, except for the being a bum in 2012 part).
of course when you make a contrarian call, especially an extremist one, you are going to have to be prepared to defend that position, against others taking a hard position against you, that is just in the nature of taking an extremist position...
personally, i wouldn't have said andrew luck was a bum... but if I did, and I was aware of the implications of such a contrarian and extremist position, it wouldn't be a surprise if nearly everybody disagreed with me, and i certainly wouldn't be bitter about it... or gloat if he blew out his ACL because it made me think i was "vindicated" and "proven right".
when you make a truly outlier, bizarro call and it hits, you get to look like a genius... when you completely whiff, like last year, of course the flip side is you are going to look foolish (i don't mean personally, but for the call), it comes with the territory, again, no reason to be bitter...
BTW, the reason it usually takes not one, but two years to return to form from an ACL injury, has less to do with scar tissue and stiffness, than the time it takes for the impacted area to "rewire" and "reroute" disrupted nerves, and proprioceptively relearn how to move the joint naturally again... by that time frame, he will still only be a year removed from the injury in jan of 2014... he could make significant strides running and passing, by next season.
True, though so did Brady.Charles doesn't really count the same, he tore his like week 1, didn't he? He had an entire year to heal.I've said this in other threads, but look at the non-Peterson history of ACL tears and no one had a great first year back. Not Brady, not Welker, not McNabb. (OK, I'll give you Jamaal Charles last year). I'm not saying there aren't some clear areas where he needs to improve, or that the injury concerns aren't going to always be present, but the notion that you can make any definitive pronouncements on a guy who's less than a year removed from a major knee reconstruction is ridiculous.
You follow the Skins much closer than I do. Is there any chance that they give Cousins a look?This offense is an abortion. This receiving corps is an abortion. This OL is an abortion.
But make no mistake. RG3 has been awful as well. Just a lost year all around. Except for Morris.
I honestly don't know. I think you have to let Griffin work out of this funk, but the Shanahans are quickly losing this team.You follow the Skins much closer than I do. Is there any chance that they give Cousins a look?This offense is an abortion. This receiving corps is an abortion. This OL is an abortion.
But make no mistake. RG3 has been awful as well. Just a lost year all around. Except for Morris.
zero chance that cousins comes in baring an injury. This is all part of getting back. He needs to play. He needs the experience. Hes struggling as many 2nd year QBs do. But the whole team is. Its all part of the learning process and getting back to 100% and he cant do that on the sidelines.I honestly don't know. I think you have to let Griffin work out of this funk, but the Shanahans are quickly losing this team.You follow the Skins much closer than I do. Is there any chance that they give Cousins a look?This offense is an abortion. This receiving corps is an abortion. This OL is an abortion.
But make no mistake. RG3 has been awful as well. Just a lost year all around. Except for Morris.