Slow Draft Starting Next Week (1 Viewer)

[D_Rock]

So I am in this work league. I pretty much got thrown in late and the draft starts next week. It is a slow auction.

Anybody have some easy cheatsheets I can use or some Rankings I can follow? Or even some strategy?

There are 16 teams and apparently it is a keeper league. We get 260 bucks to spend in the auction.

There are 7 cats for hitting and pitching

BA

HR

RBI

SB

R

OBP

K's

Wins

ERA

WHIP

K's

Saves

QS

Holds

We start:

2 C's

1B

2B

3B

SS

CI

MI

5 OFs

1 UTIL

9 Pitchers

Any help would be appreciated. I own the football stuff here, dont wanna embarrass myself in the baseball realm. Thanks.

 

[Tom Servo]

Bid high and heavy on Rangers, Reds, and Royals.

 

[MAC_32]

In this format spend as little on RP's as possible, there will be a glutton of cheap talent to help both saves and holds

LOTS of good, cheap risks at OF and SP

Either slightly over pay for stud C's or clean house later on the $1 talent, after the elite there's a significant dropoff

I would focus on paying a little more than you may feel comfortable on your infield, the lower tiered infielders are significantly worse options than the lower tiered OF's

Place a $ value on everyone, don't ignore someone until after they have exceeded your expected value. Entering an auction with a rough idea of what you want is good, entering it with specific targets is not. You'll probably end up overpaying more often than not.

 

[D_Rock]

Bid high and heavy on Rangers, Reds, and Royals.

I am going to assume this is a joke.

 

[D_Rock]

In this format spend as little on RP's as possible, there will be a glutton of cheap talent to help both saves and holdsLOTS of good, cheap risks at OF and SP

Is this just in THIS format, or would this be anytime? I just wasnt sure what made my format more in tune with this strategy.

Either slightly over pay for stud C's or clean house later on the $1 talent, after the elite there's a significant dropoff

Just so I understand, I would be doing this because I have to start 2 C's right? So 2 of Mauer, McCann, Martinez, Martin, Soto?

I would focus on paying a little more than you may feel comfortable on your infield, the lower tiered infielders are significantly worse options than the lower tiered OF's

I sorta noticed this as well. I was thinking about just corssing off the top 40 OF's and looking at the bottom 60 and highlighting a few guys to go after on the super cheap. Just from a quick glance at my completely half assed cheatsheets:Justin UptonAdam JonesShin-Soo Choo (I saw him in a few of the threads here, I blindly follow)Michael CuddyerGuys like that?

Place a $ value on everyone, don't ignore someone until after they have exceeded your expected value. Entering an auction with a rough idea of what you want is good, entering it with specific targets is not. You'll probably end up overpaying more often than not.

I am a little reluctant to do that for 2 reasons...1) What if my cheatsheets are WAY off...then I will be overspending like crazy wont I?2) I have never been in an auction before...do I just let the market set the prices and work off of those? I mean right now looking at things, I cant put an arbitrary # on guys. I would be completely guessing.Thanks for the reply..I struggle with Starting Pitching every year. I usually get a bunch of good hitters and think I can build a staff late and I end up falling flat on my face.

 

[MAC_32]

Bid high and heavy on Rangers, Reds, and Royals.

I am going to assume this is a joke.

I doubt it, lots of value on all three of those teams.

 

[MAC_32]

In this format spend as little on RP's as possible, there will be a glutton of cheap talent to help both saves and holdsLOTS of good, cheap risks at OF and SP

Is this just in THIS format, or would this be anytime? I just wasnt sure what made my format more in tune with this strategy.

Regarding RP's, specific to your format because you reward holds too. SP and OF is deep regardless of format.

Either slightly over pay for stud C's or clean house later on the $1 talent, after the elite there's a significant dropoff

Just so I understand, I would be doing this because I have to start 2 C's right? So 2 of Mauer, McCann, Martinez, Martin, Soto?

Yes, exactly.

I would focus on paying a little more than you may feel comfortable on your infield, the lower tiered infielders are significantly worse options than the lower tiered OF's

I sorta noticed this as well. I was thinking about just corssing off the top 40 OF's and looking at the bottom 60 and highlighting a few guys to go after on the super cheap. Just from a quick glance at my completely half assed cheatsheets:Justin UptonAdam JonesShin-Soo Choo (I saw him in a few of the threads here, I blindly follow)Michael CuddyerGuys like that?

I'm not with Cuddyer, but the other three are certainly ones I was referring to.

Place a $ value on everyone, don't ignore someone until after they have exceeded your expected value. Entering an auction with a rough idea of what you want is good, entering it with specific targets is not. You'll probably end up overpaying more often than not.

I am a little reluctant to do that for 2 reasons...1) What if my cheatsheets are WAY off...then I will be overspending like crazy wont I?2) I have never been in an auction before...do I just let the market set the prices and work off of those? I mean right now looking at things, I cant put an arbitrary # on guys. I would be completely guessing.Thanks for the reply..I struggle with Starting Pitching every year. I usually get a bunch of good hitters and think I can build a staff late and I end up falling flat on my face.

A good cheat sheet and you won't have anything to worry about. You'll inevitably have some misses, everyone does.Good luck.

 

[MrPhoenix]

If Ricky Nolasco is still around in the late 7th/early 8th, don't walk. Run to your computer.

 

[Oh Yes!]

nelson cruz is your guy

 

[Tom Servo]

Bid high and heavy on Rangers, Reds, and Royals.

I am going to assume this is a joke.

Yes and no.

I doubt it, lots of value on all three of those teams.

KC - Coco Crisp, Zach Grienke (sp?)TEX - Sheets if he signs...with Mike Maddox as pitching coach and Ryan's emphasis on conditioning, this could be sneaky value. CIN - Edison Volquez (maybe).

 

[cheese]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

 

[D_Rock]

If Ricky Nolasco is still around in the late 7th/early 8th, don't walk. Run to your computer.

I have him on my list, as I have seen you guys bulldogging him...But this is an auction, so I will have my shot at him.

 

[D_Rock]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

 

[MAC_32]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

 

[MAC_32]

Bid high and heavy on Rangers, Reds, and Royals.

I am going to assume this is a joke.

Yes and no.

I doubt it, lots of value on all three of those teams.

KC - Coco Crisp, Zach Grienke (sp?)TEX - Sheets if he signs...with Mike Maddox as pitching coach and Ryan's emphasis on conditioning, this could be sneaky value. CIN - Edison Volquez (maybe).

Other potential valuesKC - Aviles, Gordon, Meche, ButlerTEX - Francisco, Blalock, every OF behind Hamilton (I'd be betting on Cruz + Murphy winning the position battles, Boggs + Byrd may make things difficult)CIN - Harang, Cueto, Bruce, Dickerson (think he wins the LF job), Encarnacion, Keppinger/Hairston (whoever wins the SS job), Votto

 

[D_Rock]

Bid high and heavy on Rangers, Reds, and Royals.

I am going to assume this is a joke.

Yes and no.

I doubt it, lots of value on all three of those teams.

KC - Coco Crisp, Zach Grienke (sp?)TEX - Sheets if he signs...with Mike Maddox as pitching coach and Ryan's emphasis on conditioning, this could be sneaky value. CIN - Edison Volquez (maybe).

Other potential valuesKC - Aviles, Gordon, Meche, ButlerTEX - Francisco, Blalock, every OF behind Hamilton (I'd be betting on Cruz + Murphy winning the position battles, Boggs + Byrd may make things difficult)CIN - Harang, Cueto, Bruce, Dickerson (think he wins the LF job), Encarnacion, Keppinger/Hairston (whoever wins the SS job), Votto

MAC, I do appreciate the help..I will keeping everyone posted on the results as they come in if anyone is interested...I pilphered the "pitching tiers" from another thread on here. So that is how we are ranking our SP's...just gonna blindly follow them.As for the Reds, I live in Cincinnati, so I have my finger on the pulse. I like Dickerson, but I think Harang is of tremendous value. Guy is a workhorse, who had one bad season. I will be going after him.

 

[D_Rock]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

I wonder what my ratio of SP- RP's should be...

 

[cheese]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

Assuming that you don't have other people punting 1 cat that you can steal a point by picking up people through the year, you're basically looking at 1 for saves/holds and 16 for k's, QS, Wins. That means 50 pitching points plus ERA/WHIP without spending much of your auction $$ on pitchers. Your hitting should be stacked. This strategy does have a tendency to give you a lot of 2nds and 3rds though as it limits your max points. At least thats what happens to me when I do it.

 

[MAC_32]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

Assuming that you don't have other people punting 1 cat that you can steal a point by picking up people through the year, you're basically looking at 1 for saves/holds and 16 for k's, QS, Wins. That means 50 pitching points plus ERA/WHIP without spending much of your auction $$ on pitchers. Your hitting should be stacked. This strategy does have a tendency to give you a lot of 2nds and 3rds though as it limits your max points. At least thats what happens to me when I do it.

How will this guarantee 16 pts in k's, QS, and w's? Most leagues have IP limits, a properly managed team can achieve this max IP limit by using a mix of RP's and SP's. Furthermore, RP's tend to have higher K/9's than SP's and many have lower ERA and WHIP's too, they also net some wins too. Some have more wins/inning than many SP's. You're setting yourself up for QS but I'm not so sure about anything else.You're dead on about it limiting your max points too.

 

[D_Rock]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

Assuming that you don't have other people punting 1 cat that you can steal a point by picking up people through the year, you're basically looking at 1 for saves/holds and 16 for k's, QS, Wins. That means 50 pitching points plus ERA/WHIP without spending much of your auction $$ on pitchers. Your hitting should be stacked. This strategy does have a tendency to give you a lot of 2nds and 3rds though as it limits your max points. At least thats what happens to me when I do it.

So lemme think out loud here for a second....Lets say I get 9 mid pack starters....Harang, Nolasco, Lowe, Dempster, Meche, Cueto, Wainright, Wang, GreinkeThen I am pretty much a LOCK for 16 in Wins, QS, and K's....1 for Saves and 1 for Holds...Then hopefully 10-12 for ERA and WHIP...Why not...get 6-7 of those starters and 2-3 stud MR's...So I would still most likely be guarenteed 14-16 for Wins, QS, and Ks...with a decent shot at 16. AND a pretty good chance at a middle of the pack Holds finish as well as helping ERA and WHIP in the process.Which would be a better strategy?I have only done a roto once and I just made it a point to get all around hitters, not fatasses...I did alright.Cheese, we need to play our Sun Belt game so I can discuss this with you over XBOX.

 

[D_Rock]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

Assuming that you don't have other people punting 1 cat that you can steal a point by picking up people through the year, you're basically looking at 1 for saves/holds and 16 for k's, QS, Wins. That means 50 pitching points plus ERA/WHIP without spending much of your auction $$ on pitchers. Your hitting should be stacked. This strategy does have a tendency to give you a lot of 2nds and 3rds though as it limits your max points. At least thats what happens to me when I do it.

How will this guarantee 16 pts in k's, QS, and w's? Most leagues have IP limits, a properly managed team can achieve this max IP limit by using a mix of RP's and SP's. Furthermore, RP's tend to have higher K/9's than SP's and many have lower ERA and WHIP's too, they also net some wins too. Some have more wins/inning than many SP's. You're setting yourself up for QS but I'm not so sure about anything else.You're dead on about it limiting your max points too.

What does this mean?

 

[MAC_32]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

Assuming that you don't have other people punting 1 cat that you can steal a point by picking up people through the year, you're basically looking at 1 for saves/holds and 16 for k's, QS, Wins. That means 50 pitching points plus ERA/WHIP without spending much of your auction $$ on pitchers. Your hitting should be stacked. This strategy does have a tendency to give you a lot of 2nds and 3rds though as it limits your max points. At least thats what happens to me when I do it.

How will this guarantee 16 pts in k's, QS, and w's? Most leagues have IP limits, a properly managed team can achieve this max IP limit by using a mix of RP's and SP's. Furthermore, RP's tend to have higher K/9's than SP's and many have lower ERA and WHIP's too, they also net some wins too. Some have more wins/inning than many SP's. You're setting yourself up for QS but I'm not so sure about anything else.You're dead on about it limiting your max points too.

What does this mean?

Basically, by assuring yourself 1's in SV's and HLD's your limiting your max points by a figure of 30 ([16-1]*2 categories). I have only been playing fantasy baseball for a handful of seasons but in those 12 roto's I've been in I cannot think of one winner that has punted one category, let alone two. It eliminates any margin for error elsewhere.

 

[cheese]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

Assuming that you don't have other people punting 1 cat that you can steal a point by picking up people through the year, you're basically looking at 1 for saves/holds and 16 for k's, QS, Wins. That means 50 pitching points plus ERA/WHIP without spending much of your auction $$ on pitchers. Your hitting should be stacked. This strategy does have a tendency to give you a lot of 2nds and 3rds though as it limits your max points. At least thats what happens to me when I do it.

How will this guarantee 16 pts in k's, QS, and w's? Most leagues have IP limits, a properly managed team can achieve this max IP limit by using a mix of RP's and SP's. Furthermore, RP's tend to have higher K/9's than SP's and many have lower ERA and WHIP's too, they also net some wins too. Some have more wins/inning than many SP's. You're setting yourself up for QS but I'm not so sure about anything else.You're dead on about it limiting your max points too.

You are correct that it would be a bad strategy if he has an IP limit.

 

[D_Rock]

I asked about the IP limit and games limit...waiting on an answer.

I have another question for you roto folks...

How many HR's, SB's, etc do I need to win these categories? I know it different depending on starting rosters, league size...but is there a rule of thumb?

I would hate to have 231 Wins be the highest ever by a roto team and I went out and stockpiled 250 pitchers worth of wins...or drafted Reyes, Rollins, Figgins, Crawford, Sizemore, Pierre, Mo Vaughn, Upton, Soriano...and dominated the SB category...ya know?

 

[cheese]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

Assuming that you don't have other people punting 1 cat that you can steal a point by picking up people through the year, you're basically looking at 1 for saves/holds and 16 for k's, QS, Wins. That means 50 pitching points plus ERA/WHIP without spending much of your auction $$ on pitchers. Your hitting should be stacked. This strategy does have a tendency to give you a lot of 2nds and 3rds though as it limits your max points. At least thats what happens to me when I do it.

So lemme think out loud here for a second....Lets say I get 9 mid pack starters....

Harang, Nolasco, Lowe, Dempster, Meche, Cueto, Wainright, Wang, Greinke

Then I am pretty much a LOCK for 16 in Wins, QS, and K's....1 for Saves and 1 for Holds...Then hopefully 10-12 for ERA and WHIP...

Why not...get 6-7 of those starters and 2-3 stud MR's...So I would still most likely be guarenteed 14-16 for Wins, QS, and Ks...with a decent shot at 16. AND a pretty good chance at a middle of the pack Holds finish as well as helping ERA and WHIP in the process.

Which would be a better strategy?

I have only done a roto once and I just made it a point to get all around hitters, not fatasses...I did alright.

Cheese, we need to play our Sun Belt game so I can discuss this with you over XBOX.

IMO you would probably go up about 10 in holds, up about 2 each in era/ whip, drop about 5 in QS, drop about 3 each in wins/k's. That puts you about +3 with that strategy while spending more money (to get the stud MR's). Of course, if you do this strategy it is a lot more important how those starters you pick actually do than in my strategy so results become much more variable. Its just a suggestion, so no big deal if you all disagree. I just might take it out on Derek's Warhawks.

 

[D_Rock]

I may post the auction on here and let the baseball forum run my team...Then keep the forum up to date.

Havent decided yet.

 

[MAC_32]

I asked about the IP limit and games limit...waiting on an answer.I have another question for you roto folks...How many HR's, SB's, etc do I need to win these categories? I know it different depending on starting rosters, league size...but is there a rule of thumb?I would hate to have 231 Wins be the highest ever by a roto team and I went out and stockpiled 250 pitchers worth of wins...or drafted Reyes, Rollins, Figgins, Crawford, Sizemore, Pierre, Mo Vaughn, Upton, Soriano...and dominated the SB category...ya know?

The guy on rotoauthority.com does a what it takes to win article for basic 12 team 5x5 roto's with 14 batting positions and 9 pitching conditions - he only projects out to a top 4 finish/category though and not the #1. There won't be any data for four of your cats and you'll have to make some reasonable judgments to adjust to your 16 team league, but it's a start.

 

[Spartans Rule]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

I agree in a 5x5. Not necessarily in a 7x7 with these rules.With quality starts, saves and holds all as categories, it will be almost impossible for anyone to have a deep, well-rounded staff that finishes near the top of each pitching category (unless they're punting offense). Every team will have a pitching weakness almost by default.That said, I wouldn't go in following a punting strategy. I would simply budget a very large portion of my $ for hitting, which will be a safer investment, and be very tight about purchasing pitching. Get a bunch of SP values, try to grab a few closers and holds guys dirt cheap, but don't panic if you can't.

 

[D_Rock]

Updating for the experts...WE DO NOT HAVE AN INNINGS OR START LIMIT

 

[D_Rock]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

I agree in a 5x5. Not necessarily in a 7x7 with these rules.With quality starts, saves and holds all as categories, it will be almost impossible for anyone to have a deep, well-rounded staff that finishes near the top of each pitching category (unless they're punting offense). Every team will have a pitching weakness almost by default.

That said, I wouldn't go in following a punting strategy. I would simply budget a very large portion of my $ for hitting, which will be a safer investment, and be very tight about purchasing pitching. Get a bunch of SP values, try to grab a few closers and holds guys dirt cheap, but don't panic if you can't.

Identifying those SP values are my issue. How do we not have a thread in the basball forum ranking players...ala the Shark Pool.And as it pertains to the reliever/closer bit above...are you suggesting like 1 dollar guys or like 3-4 dollar? I am at a loss for what these auction values will be.

 

[MAC_32]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

I agree in a 5x5. Not necessarily in a 7x7 with these rules.With quality starts, saves and holds all as categories, it will be almost impossible for anyone to have a deep, well-rounded staff that finishes near the top of each pitching category (unless they're punting offense). Every team will have a pitching weakness almost by default.

That said, I wouldn't go in following a punting strategy. I would simply budget a very large portion of my $ for hitting, which will be a safer investment, and be very tight about purchasing pitching. Get a bunch of SP values, try to grab a few closers and holds guys dirt cheap, but don't panic if you can't.

Identifying those SP values are my issue. How do we not have a thread in the basball forum ranking players...ala the Shark Pool.And as it pertains to the reliever/closer bit above...are you suggesting like 1 dollar guys or like 3-4 dollar? I am at a loss for what these auction values will be.

Seems there's a lot less activity in here than the shark pool, probably why there's not any real baseball rankings. I have a slow draft starting in three weeks, I have a VERY rough draft completed but haven't updated it since December and honestly didn't put much time into it when I put it together. I'll begin to get it together in a week or two.

 

[D_Rock]

In this format, I would probably focus on hitting and draft 9 SP's sometime mid/late. You would be almost guarenteed max points in K's, QS, wins... and get nothing from saves/holds. In the mean time, you spend all your high picks on hitters so your hitting should be very good.

So completely abandon RP's? Just take a 1 in holds and saves?

Punting one category is risky. Punting two is borderline insane.

I agree in a 5x5. Not necessarily in a 7x7 with these rules.With quality starts, saves and holds all as categories, it will be almost impossible for anyone to have a deep, well-rounded staff that finishes near the top of each pitching category (unless they're punting offense). Every team will have a pitching weakness almost by default.

That said, I wouldn't go in following a punting strategy. I would simply budget a very large portion of my $ for hitting, which will be a safer investment, and be very tight about purchasing pitching. Get a bunch of SP values, try to grab a few closers and holds guys dirt cheap, but don't panic if you can't.

Identifying those SP values are my issue. How do we not have a thread in the basball forum ranking players...ala the Shark Pool.And as it pertains to the reliever/closer bit above...are you suggesting like 1 dollar guys or like 3-4 dollar? I am at a loss for what these auction values will be.

Seems there's a lot less activity in here than the shark pool, probably why there's not any real baseball rankings. I have a slow draft starting in three weeks, I have a VERY rough draft completed but haven't updated it since December and honestly didn't put much time into it when I put it together. I'll begin to get it together in a week or two.

I did some heavy lifting tonight...That roto authority had a nice little section on "10 dollar players"

It will be helpful for me to come up with auction values.

Utley, Kinsler, Pedroia, Phillips, Ramirez, Roberts are your 10 dollar 2B...at least it gives me somewhere to start.