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SNF Game Packers vs. Vikings (1 Viewer)

sho nuff said:
None of what I said is saying it’s all on him (but that kiss to Adams was on him and not McCarthy) or defending McCarthy.

McCarthy should take a prop plane back after being canned in the locker room.  But there is blame that needs to be leveled at Rodgers. The knee isn’t an excuse at this point. 
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TBH, it wasn’t the guys I quoted I was suggesting we’re defending McCarthy. I should have made that clear. It’s also his rookie WR’s. As great an athlete MVS (and ESB) are, they are late round rookie WR’s being asked to make this work. Along with 60 yr old Jimmy Graham whose knees are scrambled eggs, this is not a good recieving corps outside of Adams.

 
Bojang0301 said:
TBH, it wasn’t the guys I quoted I was suggesting we’re defending McCarthy. I should have made that clear. It’s also his rookie WR’s. As great an athlete MVS (and ESB) are, they are late round rookie WR’s being asked to make this work. Along with 60 yr old Jimmy Graham whose knees are scrambled eggs, this is not a good recieving corps outside of Adams.
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Guys like Tom Brady and Drew Brees manage somehow to throw to a bunch of nobody receivers.

 
Vikes shoulda had this by 14+. A win is great but again - not impressed with the quality. This is a 1-and-done team unfortunately. 

 
Bojang0301 said:
TBH, it wasn’t the guys I quoted I was suggesting we’re defending McCarthy. I should have made that clear. It’s also his rookie WR’s. As great an athlete MVS (and ESB) are, they are late round rookie WR’s being asked to make this work. Along with 60 yr old Jimmy Graham whose knees are scrambled eggs, this is not a good recieving corps outside of Adams.
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The deep passes to MVS were working for several games. Why aren't those in the game plan anymore? Adams is not a deep threat - you need someone to stretch the field like Jordy did. A quick or tough middle of field WR like Edelman, Amendola or Landry would also help. Rodgers has always held onto the ball a long time and been sacked a lot.

 
Guy has had less than 89.5 QBR one time this season. What do you people want? Should Rodgers throw on a cape and fly around to catch his own passes? 

 
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Bojang0301 said:
Guy has had less than 89.5 QBR one time this season. What do you people want? Should Rodgers throw on a cape and fly around to catch his own passes? 
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Yeah this isn’t about Rodgers. This team has been poorly managed for years. Rodgers has made up for it. 

 
Hilts said:
Eh, it's possible the throws aren't as bad as we think and the receivers just didn't time things right, no? 
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Possible, but not likely for two reasons. First, he’s missing Adams as well as the young guys. Secondly, he’s never been afraid to “scold” a wr on the field. He hasn’t really been doing that. 

 
trader jake said:
Maybe.  However, I agree more with THIS take than I'd like to.
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Skimmed it, so I won’t pretend I got into the details. This reminds me of Big Ben at the end of Arians tenure. They need to bring someone in that gets Rodgers to revert back to timing and not taking sacks. I get the insinuation though that surface looks good but there is an underlying problem. They talk about Mike McCarthy’s incompetence and, really, that should be the focus. Yes, Rodgers is not a young man and nor does he probably have the mobility he did in his 20’s. The sacks and holding onto the ball waiting for the big play is something I’ve seen corrected in the past as long as the coaching staff is willing to correct it even if they piss off the player.

 
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Cjw_55106 said:
Possible, but not likely for two reasons. First, he’s missing Adams as well as the young guys. Secondly, he’s never been afraid to “scold” a wr on the field. He hasn’t really been doing that. 
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Gotcha. Thanks for the explanations. I don't follow the team and appreciate the insight from someone who does. 

 
mr roboto said:
Vikes shoulda had this by 14+. A win is great but again - not impressed with the quality. This is a 1-and-done team unfortunately. 
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I wouldn’t write them off so quickly. On any given Sunday, they have the talent to beat any team in the NFL. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
I wouldn’t write them off so quickly. On any given Sunday, they have the talent to beat any team in the NFL. 
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I agree.

They haven't played in such a way that makes me think they are favorites against the best teams in the league right now though.

The defense is still good, but it hasn't been as good as it was last year.

While I do think Cousins is an upgrade over Keenum, all the tipped passes and fumbles, as well as some of the errant throws make me wonder what is going on with him at times. 

The offensive line has gotten better at pass protection but the run blocking still sucks.

 
mr roboto said:
Lol. You don’t know how lucky your franchise has been for 25 years. 
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Yeah I know how fortunate Packers fans have been for the last 25+ years. Not absolving McCarthy of any blame here. He should be gone after the season. But to lay it ALL on McCarthy isn't right either. Lots of blame to go around. Williams needs to get away from the punt. He's an old wily veteran that should know this, what is McCarthy to do there? Montgomery ignored the coaches instructions and took the ball out of the endzone and fumbled. Not sure how McCarthy gets the blame there. And Rodgers, for whatever reason, has not been sharp this year. Not only on his accuracy but also with his reads. If Rodgers is going to stand up at his press conferences and take pot shots at the headcoach he better play like a 134 million dollar QB.

 
Bojang0301 said:
Guy has had less than 89.5 QBR one time this season. What do you people want? Should Rodgers throw on a cape and fly around to catch his own passes? 
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To go beyond some stat and see the passes he has missed.  To see where he has taken sacks vs throwing into any coverage...to see the misses like the deep ball to Adams and others.

He has been better than he is playing this year and it isn't all the knee.

 
KingPrawn said:
Yeah I know how fortunate Packers fans have been for the last 25+ years. Not absolving McCarthy of any blame here. He should be gone after the season. But to lay it ALL on McCarthy isn't right either. Lots of blame to go around. Williams needs to get away from the punt. He's an old wily veteran that should know this, what is McCarthy to do there? Montgomery ignored the coaches instructions and took the ball out of the endzone and fumbled. Not sure how McCarthy gets the blame there. And Rodgers, for whatever reason, has not been sharp this year. Not only on his accuracy but also with his reads. If Rodgers is going to stand up at his press conferences and take pot shots at the headcoach he better play like a 134 million dollar QB.
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What does it tell you that all these veteran players are ignoring their coach?

 
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