Snowmageddon 2022 (1 Viewer)

[DCThunder]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.

I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

 

[GroveDiesel]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

Gotta shovel a spot.

 

[JetMaxx]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Did you see the newest GGEM for Feb 1? That's an impressive setup! Wow.

 

[jhib]

You guys are such teases.

 

[Tom Servo]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

No, it is awesome.

 

[Jaysus]

P.S. we should have a new thread for this now, right?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Did you see the newest GGEM for Feb 1? That's an impressive setup! Wow.

I haven't. But I had that time marked as something to watch. I've been focusing on this storm of late. Should be a lot of cold air in place for the February storm, though.

 

[TheIronSheik]

P.S. we should have a new thread for this now, right?

I thought about starting one, but we were moving so well in this one. I was hoping they would eventually just change the title.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

Gotta shovel a spot.

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

 

[Fat Nick]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

Gotta shovel a spot.

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

I love Corgi's...but you need to think smaller. We have a Chihuahua (Wife's dog...real men have cats...). She's litter box trained, so we just ignore her most of the time. We took her out in one of the big snows last year and dropped her in. She literally sank and just stood there unable to do anything.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

Gotta shovel a spot.

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

I love Corgi's...but you need to think smaller. We have a Chihuahua (Wife's dog...real men have cats...). She's litter box trained, so we just ignore her most of the time. We took her out in one of the big snows last year and dropped her in. She literally sank and just stood there unable to do anything.

I love cats. The corgi loves the snow, but she kind of freaks out when it gets too high. She gets caught between excitement and panic.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So one thing I forgot to mention today was that the system is moving much quicker than the models had thought. So start and end times have moved up. Start times for Philly move up to almost 9 pm tonight. Probably ends around noon tomorrow. The changeover will happen right along I-95, although my area could see a good portion of freezing rain fall for an hour or so.

This storm will make a lot of people mad, because storm totals are based on what fell, not what is there at the end of the storm. So in Philly, totals on the ground will be smaller than what they are calling for because they will have a changeover to rain that melts some of the snow.

I still think that my neck of the woods avoids most of the non snow. I originally said 6 to 10, but probably closer to the low side. At this point, the only change I'd make is I'd probably say forget the high side of that. I think 6 to 8 is going to be what we get. And if we see freezing rain, you might see 4 to 6 left on the ground when it's over.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

Gotta shovel a spot.

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

We have a corgi.

 

[James Daulton]

A FedEx dude told me that here in Baltimore they're expecting something decent Wednesday.

 

[Swing 51]

Something coming in to the DC area Sunday in to Monday - great

 

[TheIronSheik]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

Gotta shovel a spot.

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

We have a corgi.

Of course you do. We're the same person.

 

[TheIronSheik]

A FedEx dude told me that here in Baltimore they're expecting something decent Wednesday.

Hard to argue with a FedEx guy (I kid, since I'm not exactly a weatherman either) but I don't know of anything for Wednesday. I think Monday and then next weekend are the times to watch. I could be wrong though.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Something coming in to the DC area Sunday in to Monday - great

It's a clipper system. But it has the chance to be a very strong clipper. This system tonight will play a part in how that turns out.

 

[TheIronSheik]

These are the days that it's hard to get work done. Between model watching, nowcasting, and every person I know texting me asking my questions about the storm, it's hard to get any actual work done. Battling a cold today, too, so it's miserable.

 

[larch]

I hope that predictions for DC tonight and Sunday night are completely wrong. Not looking forward to coming back from the Balmer area Sunday night after a field hockey tournament.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I hope that predictions for DC tonight and Sunday night are completely wrong. Not looking forward to coming back from the Balmer area Sunday night after a field hockey tournament.

I'm the opposite. I'm wishing for it to get colder!!!

 

[Mr. Ected]

So one thing I forgot to mention today was that the system is moving much quicker than the models had thought. So start and end times have moved up. Start times for Philly move up to almost 9 pm tonight. Probably ends around noon tomorrow. The changeover will happen right along I-95, although my area could see a good portion of freezing rain fall for an hour or so.

This storm will make a lot of people mad, because storm totals are based on what fell, not what is there at the end of the storm. So in Philly, totals on the ground will be smaller than what they are calling for because they will have a changeover to rain that melts some of the snow.

I still think that my neck of the woods avoids most of the non snow. I originally said 6 to 10, but probably closer to the low side. At this point, the only change I'd make is I'd probably say forget the high side of that. I think 6 to 8 is going to be what we get. And if we see freezing rain, you might see 4 to 6 left on the ground when it's over.

Is this one of those storms where if it was all cold (and not just ~32) we would be talking about a significant amount of snow, but since it is going to be close to freezing and above with some rain/freezing rain, we will not get that much?

 

[3C's]

A FedEx dude told me that here in Baltimore they're expecting something decent Wednesday.

Hard to argue with a FedEx guy (I kid, since I'm not exactly a weatherman either) but I don't know of anything for Wednesday. I think Monday and then next weekend are the times to watch. I could be wrong though.

Don;t know about further out but I think you're right on nothing for midweek and something early in the week.

 

[Tom Servo]

These are the days that it's hard to get work done. Between model watching, nowcasting, and every person I know texting me asking my questions about the storm, it's hard to get any actual work done. Battling a cold today, too, so it's miserable.

It's apparent you need to develop the Sheik app...much like Forestmail, only for weather.

 

[Peak]

Still waiting on that Cincinnati snow....

 

[larch]

I hope that predictions for DC tonight and Sunday night are completely wrong. Not looking forward to coming back from the Balmer area Sunday night after a field hockey tournament.

I'm the opposite. I'm wishing for it to get colder!!!

I would be wishing the same if I was at home instead.

 

[Mopap]

So one thing I forgot to mention today was that the system is moving much quicker than the models had thought. So start and end times have moved up. Start times for Philly move up to almost 9 pm tonight. Probably ends around noon tomorrow. The changeover will happen right along I-95, although my area could see a good portion of freezing rain fall for an hour or so.

This storm will make a lot of people mad, because storm totals are based on what fell, not what is there at the end of the storm. So in Philly, totals on the ground will be smaller than what they are calling for because they will have a changeover to rain that melts some of the snow.

I still think that my neck of the woods avoids most of the non snow. I originally said 6 to 10, but probably closer to the low side. At this point, the only change I'd make is I'd probably say forget the high side of that. I think 6 to 8 is going to be what we get. And if we see freezing rain, you might see 4 to 6 left on the ground when it's over.

How cold is it likely to get after the storm? My concern is that anything left on the surfaces will freeze into a solid block of ice. That happened around here several years ago to the extent that it killed the fairway grass on some of the golf courses (West Chester and Whitford) and caused the rain that fell a day later to back up under my sliding patio doors into my family room. FYI we must be fairly close as I'm mid-way between those two courses.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

Gotta shovel a spot.

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

We have a corgi.

Of course you do. We're the same person.

Cardigan Welsh?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Yes it does, much better than this one. Canadian HP, 50/50 low etc. Although northern stream coastal redevelopment with no southern stream involvement can be a tricky forecast.

At this point, I'll take any snow. Love the pattern ahead, but now we just need some snowfall. Winters with no snowfall suck.

Agreed. Brown and cold is the worst.

My Labrador is very ambivilent about snow. On the one hand, he loves to play in it and roll around in the snow. On the other hand, he has a hard time finding the right spot to go #2 when the snow touches his butt when he squats and he can't sniff the ground. Peeing is a little easier on him, but deep snow comes right up to the nozzle.I don't know how people with little dogs cope with deep snow...

Gotta shovel a spot.

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

We have a corgi.

Of course you do. We're the same person.

Cardigan Welsh?

Pembroke Welsh

 

[TheIronSheik]

So one thing I forgot to mention today was that the system is moving much quicker than the models had thought. So start and end times have moved up. Start times for Philly move up to almost 9 pm tonight. Probably ends around noon tomorrow. The changeover will happen right along I-95, although my area could see a good portion of freezing rain fall for an hour or so.

This storm will make a lot of people mad, because storm totals are based on what fell, not what is there at the end of the storm. So in Philly, totals on the ground will be smaller than what they are calling for because they will have a changeover to rain that melts some of the snow.

I still think that my neck of the woods avoids most of the non snow. I originally said 6 to 10, but probably closer to the low side. At this point, the only change I'd make is I'd probably say forget the high side of that. I think 6 to 8 is going to be what we get. And if we see freezing rain, you might see 4 to 6 left on the ground when it's over.

Is this one of those storms where if it was all cold (and not just ~32) we would be talking about a significant amount of snow, but since it is going to be close to freezing and above with some rain/freezing rain, we will not get that much?

I don't know if it would mean more snow overall, but the places seeing rain and sleet would definitely get more. Storm's pretty big, it's just moving too quick.

 

[Fat Nick]

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

We have a corgi.

Of course you do. We're the same person.

Cardigan Welsh?

Get a room you two...

 

[TheIronSheik]

So one thing I forgot to mention today was that the system is moving much quicker than the models had thought. So start and end times have moved up. Start times for Philly move up to almost 9 pm tonight. Probably ends around noon tomorrow. The changeover will happen right along I-95, although my area could see a good portion of freezing rain fall for an hour or so.

This storm will make a lot of people mad, because storm totals are based on what fell, not what is there at the end of the storm. So in Philly, totals on the ground will be smaller than what they are calling for because they will have a changeover to rain that melts some of the snow.

I still think that my neck of the woods avoids most of the non snow. I originally said 6 to 10, but probably closer to the low side. At this point, the only change I'd make is I'd probably say forget the high side of that. I think 6 to 8 is going to be what we get. And if we see freezing rain, you might see 4 to 6 left on the ground when it's over.

How cold is it likely to get after the storm? My concern is that anything left on the surfaces will freeze into a solid block of ice. That happened around here several years ago to the extent that it killed the fairway grass on some of the golf courses (West Chester and Whitford) and caused the rain that fell a day later to back up under my sliding patio doors into my family room. FYI we must be fairly close as I'm mid-way between those two courses.

I don't think it's going to be all that cold after tonight's storm. It won't be warm, but it'll be seasonable. Now, after Monday's storm it's going to get brutally cold. Lows in the single digits.

 

[Fat Nick]

Something coming in to the DC area Sunday in to Monday - great

It's a clipper system. But it has the chance to be a very strong clipper. This system tonight will play a part in how that turns out.

Two questions - I'm assuming for this weekend's storm, the further north and west you go, the more snow is likely, right? How far inland is the "peak" for snowfall? Are we talking NJ/PA border or are we talking like...Harrisburg/State College territory? Having a hard time envisioning where the big snow will fall and stay. I know you're S/SE of me.

Second question - Can someone summarize the difference between a "Clipper" and a "Noreaster" as it pertains to winter storms?

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Pembroke Welsh

Phew.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Yup. We have a corgi, and each time it snows, I have to shovel out a patch in the yard for her to go do her business.

We have a corgi.

Of course you do. We're the same person.

Cardigan Welsh?

Get a room you two...

He'll have to buy me a wristwatch first.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Something coming in to the DC area Sunday in to Monday - great

It's a clipper system. But it has the chance to be a very strong clipper. This system tonight will play a part in how that turns out.

Two questions - I'm assuming for this weekend's storm, the further north and west you go, the more snow is likely, right? How far inland is the "peak" for snowfall? Are we talking NJ/PA border or are we talking like...Harrisburg/State College territory? Having a hard time envisioning where the big snow will fall and stay. I know you're S/SE of me.

Second question - Can someone summarize the difference between a "Clipper" and a "Noreaster" as it pertains to winter storms?

1) They always say the battleground is I-95. Best chance of high snow totals with not much changeover will be a skinny swath just NW of Philly that runs at an angle SW to NE. The major cities will get good snow, but also probably see some mixed precip or even rain at times. NW Jersey is in the "good" swath. Central Jersey will be like NYC and Philly.

2) A clipper is a low pressure system that moves from Alberta, down across the plains and off the east coast. It's very fast moving and usually has only a small amount of moisture. The east coast will usually see 1 to 4 inches on average with these storms. Nor'easters, in simplest terms, are coastal storms. They form off the coast, and move northeast up the coast. They can be very powerful, have very strong winds and dump lots of snow (or rain). They can look like hurricanes from space.

 

[Mopap]

So one thing I forgot to mention today was that the system is moving much quicker than the models had thought. So start and end times have moved up. Start times for Philly move up to almost 9 pm tonight. Probably ends around noon tomorrow. The changeover will happen right along I-95, although my area could see a good portion of freezing rain fall for an hour or so.

This storm will make a lot of people mad, because storm totals are based on what fell, not what is there at the end of the storm. So in Philly, totals on the ground will be smaller than what they are calling for because they will have a changeover to rain that melts some of the snow.

I still think that my neck of the woods avoids most of the non snow. I originally said 6 to 10, but probably closer to the low side. At this point, the only change I'd make is I'd probably say forget the high side of that. I think 6 to 8 is going to be what we get. And if we see freezing rain, you might see 4 to 6 left on the ground when it's over.

How cold is it likely to get after the storm? My concern is that anything left on the surfaces will freeze into a solid block of ice. That happened around here several years ago to the extent that it killed the fairway grass on some of the golf courses (West Chester and Whitford) and caused the rain that fell a day later to back up under my sliding patio doors into my family room. FYI we must be fairly close as I'm mid-way between those two courses.

I don't think it's going to be all that cold after tonight's storm. It won't be warm, but it'll be seasonable. Now, after Monday's storm it's going to get brutally cold. Lows in the single digits.

Thanks.

 

[JetMaxx]

Something coming in to the DC area Sunday in to Monday - great

It's a clipper system. But it has the chance to be a very strong clipper. This system tonight will play a part in how that turns out.

Two questions - I'm assuming for this weekend's storm, the further north and west you go, the more snow is likely, right? How far inland is the "peak" for snowfall? Are we talking NJ/PA border or are we talking like...Harrisburg/State College territory? Having a hard time envisioning where the big snow will fall and stay. I know you're S/SE of me.

Second question - Can someone summarize the difference between a "Clipper" and a "Noreaster" as it pertains to winter storms?

1) They always say the battleground is I-95. Best chance of high snow totals with not much changeover will be a skinny swath just NW of Philly that runs at an angle SW to NE. The major cities will get good snow, but also probably see some mixed precip or even rain at times. NW Jersey is in the "good" swath. Central Jersey will be like NYC and Philly. 2) A clipper is a low pressure system that moves from Alberta, down across the plains and off the east coast. It's very fast moving and usually has only a small amount of moisture. The east coast will usually see 1 to 4 inches on average with these storms. Nor'easters, in simplest terms, are coastal storms. They form off the coast, and move northeast up the coast. They can be very powerful, have very strong winds and dump lots of snow (or rain). They can look like hurricanes from space.

Good explanation. Nor'easters are named such because of the predominant wind direction during the course of the storm. In winter the northeasterly wind offsets the maritime influence and usually keeps the entire air column cold enough for snow.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Something coming in to the DC area Sunday in to Monday - great

It's a clipper system. But it has the chance to be a very strong clipper. This system tonight will play a part in how that turns out.

Two questions - I'm assuming for this weekend's storm, the further north and west you go, the more snow is likely, right? How far inland is the "peak" for snowfall? Are we talking NJ/PA border or are we talking like...Harrisburg/State College territory? Having a hard time envisioning where the big snow will fall and stay. I know you're S/SE of me.

Second question - Can someone summarize the difference between a "Clipper" and a "Noreaster" as it pertains to winter storms?

1) They always say the battleground is I-95. Best chance of high snow totals with not much changeover will be a skinny swath just NW of Philly that runs at an angle SW to NE. The major cities will get good snow, but also probably see some mixed precip or even rain at times. NW Jersey is in the "good" swath. Central Jersey will be like NYC and Philly. 2) A clipper is a low pressure system that moves from Alberta, down across the plains and off the east coast. It's very fast moving and usually has only a small amount of moisture. The east coast will usually see 1 to 4 inches on average with these storms. Nor'easters, in simplest terms, are coastal storms. They form off the coast, and move northeast up the coast. They can be very powerful, have very strong winds and dump lots of snow (or rain). They can look like hurricanes from space.

Good explanation. Nor'easters are named such because of the predominant wind direction during the course of the storm. In winter the northeasterly wind offsets the maritime influence and usually keeps the entire air column cold enough for snow.

Yup. And those winds can howl! Not uncommon to see winds in Nor'easters above hurricane wind speeds.

 

[TheIronSheik]

You know it's a fun storm for forecasters when less than 8 hours away from possible start time and none of the models are really agreeing with each other. I guarantee you that no matter what happens tonight, you'll be hearing people complaining the next couple of days how the weather guys got it wrong, or overhyped this storm. A thankless job.

 

[James Daulton]

You know it's a fun storm for forecasters when less than 8 hours away from possible start time and none of the models are really agreeing with each other. I guarantee you that no matter what happens tonight, you'll be hearing people complaining the next couple of days how the weather guys got it wrong, or overhyped this storm. A thankless job.

Maybe we just need smarter weatherpeeps?

 

[JetMaxx]

Personal peeve is that too much of meteorology is model reading. I'll stick with my warmer solution, warm air will quickly overtake this lame cold air mass without a Canadian high to keep it in place. At least in the upper levels. Ice may be a bigger concern for Sheik and I although with out that High CAD gets scoured fast too.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Euro wants to put more snow into central NJ.

 

[JetMaxx]

Heard that Euro makes it elevation dependent out our way. I sit at about 800' so I tend to do well when places within a few miles have half the amount of snow. Maybe we'll both be right.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Looks like none of the models are impressed with Monday anymore.

 

[larch]

Shiek, where do you find these models at? I would like to look at them.

 

[JetMaxx]

Looks like none of the models are impressed with Monday anymore.

Told ya about the northern stream systems. Tend to be poorly modeled.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Looks like none of the models are impressed with Monday anymore.

Told ya about the northern stream systems. Tend to be poorly modeled.

I started to worry about this system when some models had it as a monster storm and other models had it as nothing.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Shiek, where do you find these models at? I would like to look at them.

Tropicaltidbits is a good free site to use.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I imagine that a slew of Winter Storm Watches and Warnings will come out at 3:30.