Snowmageddon 2022 (1 Viewer)

[CurlyNight]

Wow, I had no idea there you could be fined for shoveling snow from your property onto the street in MA for the city to take care of. So where do you shovel it then, in your neighbor's yard?

Maybe in your own yard?

I like my idea better... if you hate your neighbor..

 

[PIK95]

Without the hype I'm at the office dealing with all the bs, fires and ugly ### mugs (well, except for the new Desk Manager at the hotel, easy 8 and that's without trying. You'd think she's from Cranston, RI for gods sake).

Got close to two feet today. Cranston ALWAYS comes through. No school tomorrow either fwiw. Garden City will be hopping.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

so much snow ...but its wicked pissa light ...like powda

 

[Fariq]

10 inches by me in Brick which may be the highest snowfall in NJ.

Of course the NWS says that Brick was 8.5" FYI.

TV report I saw had it at 10. I did not bother to measure.

 

[PIK95]

So I went to make a sled slope for the kids and my snowblower wouldn't start. I ran it about a month ago so I thought I was all set. Make a long story short I had to siphon the old gas and clean a foul plug. By the time I did my driveway tonight there were four foot drifts easy. Really cold and windy too. Tomorrow we sled.

 

[Tom Servo]

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

You misspelled "America".

 

[Otis]

So sore today.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

So sore today.

From all the blizzard sex?

 

[shadyridr]

So sore today.

From all the blizzard sex?

From all the plowing?

 

[Osaurus]

So sore today.

From all the blizzard sex?

From all the plowing?

So yes then

 

[TheIronSheik]

Euro ensembles are colder than the operational run for SB storm. Looks like it could turn coastal, but may have issues with dry slots. Teehee. Dry slots. Your mom is a dry slot.

I hate to jinx it this far out, but I'm liking the setup for the SB storm.

Clipper on Friday morning looks like the normal 1 to 3 inches possible, for my area. Maybe an inch or two more as you head north. Sunday's storm is starting to look really interesting. A couple models show it looking similar to this past one, but digging further south. That would help the chances of more of the east coast getting in on the snow fun.

 

[TheIronSheik]

When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.

There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.

Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

It was just massive hysteria from the start...

All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

I'm calling on this.

 

[Koya]

When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.

There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.

Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

It was just massive hysteria from the start...

All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

I'm calling on this.

2-3 feet did happen. Just a bit east.

 

[Fat Nick]

So....when is the next storm coming for the NYC area?

 

[Gawain]

When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.

There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.

Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

It was just massive hysteria from the start...

All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

I'm calling on this.

I read the below that the bare minimum is 20 inches:

While 3 feet is possible, according to both AccuWeather and the National Weather Service, the storm is most likely to dump between 20 and 30 inches.

“Once you get close to 2 feet, does it really matter? You’re not going anywhere at 2 feet anyway,” AccuWeather meteorologist Dave Bowers said.

He added that jaded New Yorkers shouldn’t be fooled by the calm before the storm.

“People are going to be saying, ‘Oh, you guys are hyping this way too much’ and ‘Oh, this is manageable.’ But by tomorrow [Monday] night and Tuesday morning, that will be the height of the storm.”

 

[TheIronSheik]

When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.

There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.

Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

It was just massive hysteria from the start...

All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

I'm calling on this.

I read the below that the bare minimum is 20 inches:

While 3 feet is possible, according to both AccuWeather and the National Weather Service, the storm is most likely to dump between 20 and 30 inches.

“Once you get close to 2 feet, does it really matter? You’re not going anywhere at 2 feet anyway,” AccuWeather meteorologist Dave Bowers said.

He added that jaded New Yorkers shouldn’t be fooled by the calm before the storm.

“People are going to be saying, ‘Oh, you guys are hyping this way too much’ and ‘Oh, this is manageable.’ But by tomorrow [Monday] night and Tuesday morning, that will be the height of the storm.”

That does not say guaranteed.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So....when is the next storm coming for the NYC area?

Possibly Sunday night.

 

[PIK95]

Euro ensembles are colder than the operational run for SB storm. Looks like it could turn coastal, but may have issues with dry slots. Teehee. Dry slots. Your mom is a dry slot.

I hate to jinx it this far out, but I'm liking the setup for the SB storm.

Clipper on Friday morning looks like the normal 1 to 3 inches possible, for my area. Maybe an inch or two more as you head north. Sunday's storm is starting to look really interesting. A couple models show it looking similar to this past one, but digging further south. That would help the chances of more of the east coast getting in on the snow fun.

Will the Sunday one have a Canadian high blocking for it slowing things down?

 

[El Floppo]

When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.

There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.

Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

It was just massive hysteria from the start...

All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

I'm calling on this.

yeah-kinda-sorta.

fwiw- as late as the 11:00 news on Monday night, our local channel 2 (cbs) weather guy was pointing things out very clearly and rationally and still said he was convinced that NYC was going to get 12-18" overnight as he was convinced that the moisture coming up the coast was going to head west at NYC.

 

[El Floppo]

There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.

Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

It was just massive hysteria from the start...

All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

I'm calling on this.

I read the below that the bare minimum is 20 inches:

While 3 feet is possible, according to both AccuWeather and the National Weather Service, the storm is most likely to dump between 20 and 30 inches.

“Once you get close to 2 feet, does it really matter? You’re not going anywhere at 2 feet anyway,” AccuWeather meteorologist Dave Bowers said.

He added that jaded New Yorkers shouldn’t be fooled by the calm before the storm.

“People are going to be saying, ‘Oh, you guys are hyping this way too much’ and ‘Oh, this is manageable.’ But by tomorrow [Monday] night and Tuesday morning, that will be the height of the storm.”

That does not say guaranteed.

AND that was from Sunday when things were still looking like NYC was the bulls-eye for this.

 

[El Floppo]

So....when is the next storm coming for the NYC area?

Possibly Sunday night.

so... guaranteed then.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Euro ensembles are colder than the operational run for SB storm. Looks like it could turn coastal, but may have issues with dry slots. Teehee. Dry slots. Your mom is a dry slot.

I hate to jinx it this far out, but I'm liking the setup for the SB storm.

Clipper on Friday morning looks like the normal 1 to 3 inches possible, for my area. Maybe an inch or two more as you head north. Sunday's storm is starting to look really interesting. A couple models show it looking similar to this past one, but digging further south. That would help the chances of more of the east coast getting in on the snow fun.

Will the Sunday one have a Canadian high blocking for it slowing things down?

PV will be sitting in the Hudson, it looks like, but not much blocking to speak of.

 

[TheIronSheik]

When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.

There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.

Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.

Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

It was just massive hysteria from the start...

All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

I'm calling on this.

yeah-kinda-sorta.

fwiw- as late as the 11:00 news on Monday night, our local channel 2 (cbs) weather guy was pointing things out very clearly and rationally and still said he was convinced that NYC was going to get 12-18" overnight as he was convinced that the moisture coming up the coast was going to head west at NYC.

Yeah, and I can understand that. Like I said, it was probably between 11 and midnight that the chances for a hit started to fall apart. A lot of people were still convinced at that point, myself included. The NWS was still convinced at that point, as well. It was a very dynamic storm.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So....when is the next storm coming for the NYC area?

Possibly Sunday night.

so... guaranteed then.

100%

 

[TheIronSheik]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

 

[Fat Nick]

Sheik...was I right?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Sheik...was I right?

Even if I did, I wouldn't admit it here.

 

[Swing 51]

We have about 30-36 inches. Shoveled it all by hand, what a pain in the ###.

Weren't your hands cold as #### by the time you were done?

 

[El Floppo]

Any of you up in the NE affected by flooding?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Well, our phones are still out. But other than that we didn't get hit hard at all. It's freaking cold though. I was on a beach in Florida like a week ago and now this. Why do people live in the Northeast again?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Clipper for Friday is starting to look like a non event, sadly. I just need a little snow to work from home. New GFS run for the Sunday storm is completely different than its last run. Much further south, and much faster. If anything, that model tells me that the models don't have a grip on this storm yet.

 

[PIK95]

Any of you up in the NE affected by flooding?

I'm afraid to check on my beach cabana. I have a bad feeling.

 

[El Floppo]

Any of you up in the NE affected by flooding?

I'm afraid to check on my beach cabana. I have a bad feeling.

ugh- gl. they showed some pretty nasty flooding in MA on the news last night- wasn't sure if it was localized or more pervasive.

 

[DCThunder]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Damnation. The 7th is when my wife is supposed to leave to Asia on business...

 

[TheIronSheik]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Damnation. The 7th is when my wife is supposed to leave to Asia on business...

Looks like the time frame could be pushed up. 5th to 7th are in the range, but a couple model runs have it closer to the 5th. This would be a Miller A storm that comes up from the GOM.

 

[shadyridr]

When your expecting over a foot and you end up with less than 6 inches, I can see where you would be disappointed.

There are two parts to this. When they say up to 36" and you get 6 that is ridiculous. When they see that the path has shifted and refuse to update their forecasts for no apparent reason, then they deserve to be mocked. By all means predict towards the dire side so people take you seriously, but as it gets closer to the storm and you have updated info, you need to revise predictions.

Not only that but nearly the entire city was shut down even though there was very little snow at the time. Most businesses were basically forced to close several hours early even though there was no need.

Of course, when you consider how many workers in Manhattan had to commute home to places that DID get 15, 20, 28 inches of snow, I'd say that was not such a bad call after all.

The unique geography here has people being kinda myopic about the forecasts.

1. This is the ONLY coastal region in the nation with the specific weather associated with being a coast that takes a hard right turn AT our location. Because of that, and the temp. nuetralizing effect of the water, usually that means a matter of miles West / Inland is the difference between rain/snow and huge totals. In addition, the tip of Long Island is not only a coast to the south, but somewhat sticking out into the Atlantic to be an ecosystem all it's own sometimes.

Finally, you have NYC at the armpit of the curve, in the bullseye between being to far east or two far west depending on the storm - or right in the bullseye when precip and temp work together.

2. NYC itself is MILLIONS of people - and most of them are concentrated in Manhattan during the daytime. Those people who get 12 more inches of snow to the west and the people that this time got 20+ more inches to the east.

Where else in the nation are that many more millions of people in one area a few miles wide in a region that spans legit 50 miles each way in terms of commuting? Weather systems here are very unpredictable because of the water and East and then South facing shores, and the spot that is RIGHT in the middle of the water vs. land, hot vs. cold, will the ocean fuel a storm or pull it out to see - well that spot's freakin' manhattan.

In Denver or KC or, Chicago even, you generally have a far better idea of whats happening without either variables to the drastic change over the course of 20 miles east or west (Chi has the lack effect, but nothing like these variations as I understand, and far more predictable)

NYC was not the only city shut down. New Jersey also did the same thing and I am sure that the folks in Westfield loved being shut down like that and all drivers being ordered off the road for their 2 inches of snow.Again, I am not killing the politicians for their decisions nor the weather forecasters for their predictions. New England has shown that they were right and it was a big snow dumping storm. But as FC was saying all during the supposed start of the storm, the newscasters were not changing their rhetoric at all and continued to use their great ratings grabbing homemade words like snowmaggedon and get their blizzardmobiles out there to observe that nothing was happening, or they could have told us that the storm hung a turn and while Long Island was still screwed the rest of us are fine.

it sounds like that turn happened over night though... but I hear what you (and FC) are saying.

I would have preferred them saying laying out the facts that 12-18" were dependent on "these" factors and if they didn't happen, we'd be looking at 2-6" instead. instead, as you guys say, it was just "OMG" it's going to be measured in FEET without any mention of maybe it will just be a few inches.

It was just massive hysteria from the start...All I heard from every single outlet was:

"historic blizzard"

"Never seen anything like this before"

"Life threatening conditions"

"2-3 feet are almost guaranteed"

Etc. etc. etc.

If that wasn't enough, they refused to revise the forecasts and stuck with it throughout the night.

I'm calling on this.

I read the below that the bare minimum is 20 inches:

While 3 feet is possible, according to both AccuWeather and the National Weather Service, the storm is most likely to dump between 20 and 30 inches.

Once you get close to 2 feet, does it really matter? Youre not going anywhere at 2 feet anyway, AccuWeather meteorologist Dave Bowers said.

He added that jaded New Yorkers shouldnt be fooled by the calm before the storm.

People are going to be saying, Oh, you guys are hyping this way too much and Oh, this is manageable. But by tomorrow [Monday] night and Tuesday morning, that will be the height of the storm.

i betcha that guy wishes he could have that quote back lol

 

[3C's]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Would be a nice birthday present for my wife if we could go sledding but I'm giving up on snow. All we're getting (other than the dusting yesterday) is cold ### rain.

 

[PIK95]

Any of you up in the NE affected by flooding?

I'm afraid to check on my beach cabana. I have a bad feeling.

ugh- gl. they showed some pretty nasty flooding in MA on the news last night- wasn't sure if it was localized or more pervasive.

We are south facing beach in R.I. so I am hoping it wasn't as bad as the South Shore. That jog east that the N.Y. peeps are whining about may have saved me (and L.I.)

 

[Fat Nick]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Damnation. The 7th is when my wife is supposed to leave to Asia on business...

Looks like the time frame could be pushed up. 5th to 7th are in the range, but a couple model runs have it closer to the 5th. This would be a Miller A storm that comes up from the GOM.

 

[El Floppo]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Damnation. The 7th is when my wife is supposed to leave to Asia on business...

Looks like the time frame could be pushed up. 5th to 7th are in the range, but a couple model runs have it closer to the 5th. This would be a Miller A storm that comes up from the GOM.

tastes great

 

[TheIronSheik]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Would be a nice birthday present for my wife if we could go sledding but I'm giving up on snow. All we're getting (other than the dusting yesterday) is cold ### rain.

That storm, if it happened, would come from the deep south, which means you guys would have a decent chance of seeing some snow out of it. Not out of the question, anyway.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Damnation. The 7th is when my wife is supposed to leave to Asia on business...

Looks like the time frame could be pushed up. 5th to 7th are in the range, but a couple model runs have it closer to the 5th. This would be a Miller A storm that comes up from the GOM.

Sorry. A Nor'easter that starts from down south and works its way up the coast, as opposed to what we had the other day, which formed closer to the NC coast. Both storms can dump a lot of snow, but Miller B storms are much harder to forecast.

Miller A is one continuous low that rides southward picking up tropical moisture before sliding back up the coast. Miller B is a storm that phases, or transfers its energy to a newly forming low off the coast in the Atlantic. These are tougher to forecast because the models have to determine a path of a storm that doesn't exist yet. Yesterday's storm was a Miller B.

 

[Fat Nick]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Damnation. The 7th is when my wife is supposed to leave to Asia on business...

Looks like the time frame could be pushed up. 5th to 7th are in the range, but a couple model runs have it closer to the 5th. This would be a Miller A storm that comes up from the GOM.

Sorry. A Nor'easter that starts from down south and works its way up the coast, as opposed to what we had the other day, which formed closer to the NC coast. Both storms can dump a lot of snow, but Miller B storms are much harder to forecast.

Miller A is one continuous low that rides southward picking up tropical moisture before sliding back up the coast. Miller B is a storm that phases, or transfers its energy to a newly forming low off the coast in the Atlantic. These are tougher to forecast because the models have to determine a path of a storm that doesn't exist yet. Yesterday's storm was a Miller B.

You explained that well. I also now feel as though my knowledge of weather is about equivalent to what a 3rd grader knows about calculus...it's just all letters and numbers and stuff like they draw on chalk boards in cartoons.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Euro not a fan of the Sunday storm. Although, the Euro has lost its title of Heavyweight Champion after yesterday's storm. It'll be interesting to see if the new GFS can get 2 in a row correct.

 

[glock]

Not sure if I mentioned it, and now the pages are flying by so I don't feel like looking. But it looks like Feb. 6-7 could be another nice storm signal.

Damnation. The 7th is when my wife is supposed to leave to Asia on business...

Looks like the time frame could be pushed up. 5th to 7th are in the range, but a couple model runs have it closer to the 5th. This would be a Miller A storm that comes up from the GOM.

Sorry. A Nor'easter that starts from down south and works its way up the coast, as opposed to what we had the other day, which formed closer to the NC coast. Both storms can dump a lot of snow, but Miller B storms are much harder to forecast.

Miller A is one continuous low that rides southward picking up tropical moisture before sliding back up the coast. Miller B is a storm that phases, or transfers its energy to a newly forming low off the coast in the Atlantic. These are tougher to forecast because the models have to determine a path of a storm that doesn't exist yet. Yesterday's storm was a Miller B.

You explained that well. I also now feel as though my knowledge of weather is about equivalent to what a 3rd grader knows about calculus...it's just all letters and numbers and stuff like they draw on chalk boards in cartoons.

Ditto.

 

[PIK95]

So Miller B's are the ones that come up the coast and R.I. and the Cape usually see rain with? The other scenario where the clipper redevelopes off of New Jersey and goes north east we get snow half the time?

 

[TheIronSheik]

So Miller B's are the ones that come up the coast and R.I. and the Cape usually see rain with? The other scenario where the clipper redevelopes off of New Jersey and goes north east we get snow half the time?

Both types can bring very heavy snow. Not sure the statistics, but I'm sure if you looked at the worst snow storms ever in the Northeast, you'd get a pretty even split between the two.

 

[Franknbeans]

I reported 26" on the back deck at high noon and it's still snowing. I stopped measuring but we must have received another 6-8" since. Reports from neighboring towns are as high as 35". Most snow I have ever witnessed in such a short amount of time. Another 1-3" possible tonight.

Where u at?

NE Mass

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Not sure if this was posted yet but

Jon Stewart Rips CNN, Don Lemon over Blizzardmobile: You’re the ‘Worst’

 

[Otis]

So sore today.

From all the blizzard sex?

Not, it's more in my lower back.