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So after Knowshon, which RB has the best outlook? (1 Viewer)
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CrossEyed
Footballguy
Just to get things started, I'll rank them.
My thought is:
1) Brown - seems like the most complete back in a good system
2) McCoy - perfect system for him. Could very well step in and produce Westbrook type numbers
3) Greene - Nothing flashy, but I think he'll grind out a lot of yards AFTER this year. I still think TJ ends up being the Jets leading rusher in 2009
4) Wells - Arizona just doesn't run the ball well and I think Wells' style won't allow him to stay healthy in the NFL.
My thought is:
1) Brown - seems like the most complete back in a good system
2) McCoy - perfect system for him. Could very well step in and produce Westbrook type numbers
3) Greene - Nothing flashy, but I think he'll grind out a lot of yards AFTER this year. I still think TJ ends up being the Jets leading rusher in 2009
4) Wells - Arizona just doesn't run the ball well and I think Wells' style won't allow him to stay healthy in the NFL.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
I'm leaning Brown as well - good system, while not a supreme talent, sounds like he has an excellent work ethic. Addai is not much of a long term threat IMO.
firstseason1988
Footballguy
Cedric Peerman
Maven
Footballguy
Addai is only 26yrs old. Brown isn't taking over Addai's job anytime soon. He's got atleast 4 more quality years left and if he rebounds this year he'll shut up any Brown talk fast. A lot of people feel Addai's days are numbered but I don't see it.
I'd target Mccoy or Greene. Both have old RBs in front of them, great OLs and are on teams that love to get their RBs involved.
I'd target Mccoy or Greene. Both have old RBs in front of them, great OLs and are on teams that love to get their RBs involved.
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Traders2001
Footballguy
Shonn Greene is nothing special , just a big back ( A la duckett ) ..Brown is in a good situation but not very talented also .Moreno is #1 by far ..Wells McCoy GreeneDavis Brown ( I dont think Brown is a better RB then Addai and wont take the starting job for a while )
hoochiemama
Footballguy
I am not thrilled with any rookie after Moreno. I think Mendenhall is the forgotten man and someone I think can be stolen this year.
Ned
Footballguy
Brown will expose Addai for the mediocre talent that he is.
I think Brown an Jerome Harrison will get a chance to show what they can do at some point this season. Addai seems awful fragile and Jamal is on his last legs, so to me it looks as though these guys are in a good situation.
I'm really curious to see how Coffee will do. He should get some playing time in a fairly heavy run offense, and it sounds like he's having a good camp.
I'm really curious to see how Coffee will do. He should get some playing time in a fairly heavy run offense, and it sounds like he's having a good camp.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
I stashed Mendenhall last year. I still like FWP, but I don't think the Steelers can afford to pay him much to stay. So either he walks next year or he stays in a reduced role.
EBF
Footballguy
I'll say:
1. Shonn Greene - Greene gets the edge here because of the eyeball test. Of all the backs besides Moreno, he's the one who most resembles a successful NFL RB when I watch him play. He has an ideal squatty frame coupled with loose hips, good instincts, and underrated physical ability. I don't think he'll be an elite pro back, but I think he'll take over as New York's starter in 2010 and have a few 1200+ yard rushing seasons.
2. Donald Brown - I like his combine numbers and his draft pedigree. He has some phenomenal workout numbers and the Colts usually draft well in the first round. I also like the fact that his only immediate competition is Addai, who has always struck me as mediocre. On the downside, Brown isn't the most rugged back and he never jumped out at me when I watched him play. I think he'll be a solid player, but is he a future starter or a career platoon back?
3. Beanie Wells - I like his draft pedigree and his immediate opportunity. Tim Hightower is very mediocre. If Beanie is even remotely good then he should be able to seize this starting job immediately and possibly have a Rookie of the Year type season. The problem for me is that I've never been a big fan of his game. I think his skill set is overrated and I think he'll struggle to stay healthy and motivated. I won't be surprised if he makes this ranking look silly, but he's not someone I want on my team. At the end of the day, I have very little faith in his long term prospects.
4. LeSean McCoy - I like his quickness and his potential in the passing game. I also like the fact that he landed in a Philadelphia system that has helped turn Brian Westbrook into a superstar. McCoy has a somewhat similar game and in a best case scenario he could turn out to be a similar player. At the same time, he'll need to prove that he's more than just a flashy change of pace back. I think he's a fair gamble at his current price. He's a flashy player who fell late in the draft process and could be underrated just like Slaton was last year. He stands out to me more than Beanie and Brown, but he doesn't have their size or their first round pedigree.
5. Gartrell Johnson - Johnson has steadily moved up my board over the past few months. He doesn't have the flashy physical skills that you look for in an elite RB prospect, but he has a workhorse frame and a very good initial burst. I think his style fits the pro game and I think we could be looking at another Mike Anderson here. Given the uncertain state of LT's future, there's a decent chance that Johnson will have the opportunity to make an impact sooner than expected. At the same time, he might not be good enough to hold down a starting job in the long term.
6. Andre Brown - Andre Brown is the anti-Gartrell Johnson. He wasn't productive in college and he doesn't stand out on the field as much as you would expect, but he has an elite set of physical skills that suggest a very high upside if he ever puts it all together. He wasn't used very well in college and he's the type of prospect who could do better in the NFL than he did in the NCAA. At the same time, I tend to take a "what you see is what you get" approach with prospects and Brown looks like a fragile workout warrior who lacks the instincts to capitalize on his athletic gifts. I doubt he'll emerge as a starter.
No one else in the class really stands out at this point in time. Maybe that will change in the next few weeks. I think a guy like Kory Sheets or Cedric Peerman could help himself with a strong showing in the preseason.
1. Shonn Greene - Greene gets the edge here because of the eyeball test. Of all the backs besides Moreno, he's the one who most resembles a successful NFL RB when I watch him play. He has an ideal squatty frame coupled with loose hips, good instincts, and underrated physical ability. I don't think he'll be an elite pro back, but I think he'll take over as New York's starter in 2010 and have a few 1200+ yard rushing seasons.
2. Donald Brown - I like his combine numbers and his draft pedigree. He has some phenomenal workout numbers and the Colts usually draft well in the first round. I also like the fact that his only immediate competition is Addai, who has always struck me as mediocre. On the downside, Brown isn't the most rugged back and he never jumped out at me when I watched him play. I think he'll be a solid player, but is he a future starter or a career platoon back?
3. Beanie Wells - I like his draft pedigree and his immediate opportunity. Tim Hightower is very mediocre. If Beanie is even remotely good then he should be able to seize this starting job immediately and possibly have a Rookie of the Year type season. The problem for me is that I've never been a big fan of his game. I think his skill set is overrated and I think he'll struggle to stay healthy and motivated. I won't be surprised if he makes this ranking look silly, but he's not someone I want on my team. At the end of the day, I have very little faith in his long term prospects.
4. LeSean McCoy - I like his quickness and his potential in the passing game. I also like the fact that he landed in a Philadelphia system that has helped turn Brian Westbrook into a superstar. McCoy has a somewhat similar game and in a best case scenario he could turn out to be a similar player. At the same time, he'll need to prove that he's more than just a flashy change of pace back. I think he's a fair gamble at his current price. He's a flashy player who fell late in the draft process and could be underrated just like Slaton was last year. He stands out to me more than Beanie and Brown, but he doesn't have their size or their first round pedigree.
5. Gartrell Johnson - Johnson has steadily moved up my board over the past few months. He doesn't have the flashy physical skills that you look for in an elite RB prospect, but he has a workhorse frame and a very good initial burst. I think his style fits the pro game and I think we could be looking at another Mike Anderson here. Given the uncertain state of LT's future, there's a decent chance that Johnson will have the opportunity to make an impact sooner than expected. At the same time, he might not be good enough to hold down a starting job in the long term.
6. Andre Brown - Andre Brown is the anti-Gartrell Johnson. He wasn't productive in college and he doesn't stand out on the field as much as you would expect, but he has an elite set of physical skills that suggest a very high upside if he ever puts it all together. He wasn't used very well in college and he's the type of prospect who could do better in the NFL than he did in the NCAA. At the same time, I tend to take a "what you see is what you get" approach with prospects and Brown looks like a fragile workout warrior who lacks the instincts to capitalize on his athletic gifts. I doubt he'll emerge as a starter.
No one else in the class really stands out at this point in time. Maybe that will change in the next few weeks. I think a guy like Kory Sheets or Cedric Peerman could help himself with a strong showing in the preseason.
jurb26
Footballguy
I don't think Moreno will have a better career than Wells, so I guess Wells is the easy answer for me.
I also like McCoy's outlook a great deal.
Brown I'm up in the air on as I didn't see enough of him in college to really gage.
A guy that is less talked about that I really like is G. Coffee. Maybe an outside chance, but I like his potential.
I also like McCoy's outlook a great deal.
Brown I'm up in the air on as I didn't see enough of him in college to really gage.
A guy that is less talked about that I really like is G. Coffee. Maybe an outside chance, but I like his potential.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Donald Brown, IMO.
DrJamesAndrews Fan
Footballguy
1) Knowshon (New Jersey)
2) Donal Brown (New Jersey)
3) Shonn Greene (New Jersey)
Ahhhh Dirty Jersey
2) Donal Brown (New Jersey)
3) Shonn Greene (New Jersey)
Ahhhh Dirty Jersey
EBF
Footballguy
Probably a combination of both.I think the 49ers reached for Coffee and I think Ingram looks pretty beastly based on what I've seen so far.
jurb26
Footballguy
Ingram is a stud. Thought that was pretty well known.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Don't forget about Kory Sheets. This kid is a nice late round stash, imo.Coffee and Sheets will most liely share the workload if Gore ever goes down.
munchkin
Footballguy
Does the fact that Brad Childress is the coach of the Vikings take away the talent ADP has?
Actually, it does. If Childress would get creative once in a while and involve Peterson in ways other than smashing him into the heart of 8 and 9 man fronts (swing passes, screens, etc), then I think you'd see an even more productive Peterson. But more importantly than that, you're most certainly not comparing the talent level of Peterson and Moreno are you? They are world's apart in terms of natural talent.
Rev
Footballguy
I'm not buying the Bernard Scott hype. Character issues aside, the kid is 5'9" while he's not very fast (4.65 for the 40, I believe), and he's got a very slim build, lacking the quad development and leg power that he's going to need to break tackles. Plus, while he has great vision, he takes a long time to climb up to top speed, which works in DII, but not in the pros. I like Brown.
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Wu-banger
Footballguy
thehornet
Footballguy
No they are not world's apart in terms of natural talent. Moreno is ultra talented and maybe more athletic in terms of shiftiness and vision and also potentially more ready to play three downs than when Peterson was when he came out. The MAJOR difference between the two players, is that Peterson is a prolific runner and his top gear is light years away from Moreno's.
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munchkin
Footballguy
Childress, in my opinion, doesn't affect ADP 's talent; production, yes, talent no. Nowhere in my question did I raise the issue of production. The bashing of McDaniels is ridiculous. He was a good OC with the Patriots and will not hurt Moreno's value. It appears that Childress does not have the onions to trust his instincts when managing a game. Of course maybe Andy Reid didn't either and he was the filter taking the plays from the coaches box and implementing them in to the field. McDaniels called the plays from the sidelines, for good or bad. Not that Belichick was beyond calling him out; but as he did with Charlie Weis, he let them run the show.
mdog1967
Footballguy
Donald Brown
If your still thinking that Addai is going to hold this guy off, your not getting it. If you don't think Donald Brown is a talent, your stubbornly holding out hope that Addai is still your Dynasty Franchise.
Why is Brown at the Top of my list.
1. History, I wont trust a Denver RB until its proven that the guy is the guy, I know the FFBL devil is not coaching there anymore but its still Denver. I think Denver will be in the bottom of the league for offense this year. I see them finishing dead last in the AFC West right behind the Raiders. With Marshall's troubles, Orton at the helm and a defense that will still stink I just don't see how Moreno reaches his potential in the next season or two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue6lflyI6wk...feature=related
Don't get me wrong, Moreno is a stud, But I am not sure he is more talented than Brown and Brown is in a superb system to utilize his talents.
2. Wells - When he makes it though training camp and gets a couple of games under his belt I will be a believer.
3. McCoy - I think he is a superb fit for the Eagles and will eventually replace Westbrook. I don't think he will ever be as dynamic or productive but will be good enough to be a long time back for that franchise.
4. Green - I don't know? I think Washington is going to take more production from Green than many are willing to admit. I see green as a sub 1000 total yard guy for many years, with high single digit to low double digit TD production. I see receptions for this guy being very low. Great fit for the Jets and more valuable to them than to fantasy teams.
5. Jennings: I dont think Jennings remains behind Greg Jones for very long.
6. Gatrell Johnson, I think this is the guy that will replace LT by next season. I dont think he will ever be LT like but will be a serviceable big bruising back with Daren Sproles remaining the big play threat and third down back.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
This is pretty tough, not even sure i'd go Moreno #1 but he very well could be my #1. I usually tend to give a lot of credit towards who was drafted first but I can't do that this season. One thing for sure is I do not like McCoy at all, his pro day numbers indicate a flat out bust and I think there was a misconception that he was a gamebreaker, he isn't good at breaking tackles and if stats don't lie he isn't in a contest with Moreno or Wells or Brown for long runs, his pro day also indicated he is not as fast as people thought, quite slow for a small back actually. I am thinking if Wells is healthy he will be a stud, Brown quite frankly reminds me of another RB on the Colts team right now but I do think he is slightly more talented than Addai but he is in a great situation if he wins the job. I loved Shonn Greene at Iowa, I disagree vehemently with some of the knocks i hear about him on these forums.
1a. Moreno
1b. Wells
Gap
2a. Greene
2b. Brown
Gaping hole
3. McCoy
1a. Moreno
1b. Wells
Gap
2a. Greene
2b. Brown
Gaping hole
3. McCoy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Addai has missed 4 games in three years. Three of which were last year behind a bad O-Line. Not sure fragile is the word here to accurately describe Addai.If the word to describe him this year is not "motivated" then Brown will be the cream of the crop. If Addai keeps Brown on the bench it will be because he is tearing it up. Of the main guys mentioned (Wells, Greene, Davis, etc) Brown has the biggest road block in front of him.
switz
Footballguy
Of course the Colts are known for letting RBs walk when their contract is up, so even if Addai is healthy, they could let him go. However, I don't get all the people jumping on Brown's bandwagon. He doesn't impress me that much, and I don't think anyone here would really like him if it were not the Colts he went to. All the talk about Addai being a mediocre talent that would be replaced eventually is even more applicable to Brown. 
Futeki
Footballguy
Not so. Back before the combine I specifically traded up to the 5th pick because I wanted Brown (after Crabtree, Moreno, Wells, McCoy). Then he performed very well at the combine and the Colts took him in the first round. Thankfully, there were other doubters in my league and I still got him at the 5 spot.He is not an incredible talent. He is very good to Addai's above average. Between the system (Manning) with his work ethic, they have no reason to replace Brown besides catstrophic injury.Of course the Colts are known for letting RBs walk when their contract is up, so even if Addai is healthy, they could let him go. However, I don't get all the people jumping on Brown's bandwagon. He doesn't impress me that much, and I don't think anyone here would really like him if it were not the Colts he went to. All the talk about Addai being a mediocre talent that would be replaced eventually is even more applicable to Brown.
Brown is what the Colts hoped they got when they drafted Addai. I am probably biased because I was never a fan of Addai.
