Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Unfortunately for Detroit, this isn't the Arena League.A happy Lions fan here just joining in to say thank you to the Titans for passing on Mike Williams.
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So far, I give the Titans a D minus (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Colin Dowling
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
From Terrible to C+ (rounding the 2 together) in retrospect? That strikes me as the classic, "They're bastards but they're OUT bastards" situation.I've warmed up to the guys they selected a lilttle, but I'm still not overwhelmed.
If Adam Jones ends up being a good corner, then so be it. Its hardly worth splitting hairs over a 1st round pick that clearly was high on many many boards.
Roos....hm. Its pretty clear by now that a lot of people (myself included) were a bit off on their OT rankings. That said, I can't help but wonder if another Corner at that point or another trade down would have bore more fruit. If he ends up as a solid Tackle, like they obviously think he can be, then great. I'm just a little suprised by what I think was uncharactersitic overspending.
Roby....eh.
Jones...eh x 2. Strikes me as similar to a dozen other WRs that pop up in every draft. Truthfully, looking back at it, I think there was some nice value at Oline and especially CB still on the board at this point (Mathis, Wilson, Green).
Fuller . I think that Elton Brown and Marion Barber would have been MUCH better selections here. NOt that there is a problem with Fuller per se, just that he strikes me as being painfully raw. I think that the idea is to get Fuller to be in the rotation at Safety and be deep depth at CB. Maybe they can coach him up to pay off. If so, then. If not, then I think passing on a guy like Elton Brown was a big error.
Stewart is a nice pick, but I worry about his range. If the long term plan is to have Roos at LT and Stewart at RT, I can see it working out. I actually like the Stewart pick for the most part.
Williams was a nice pick, but he makes me wish we'd passed on Jones earlier and selected another Corner, an RB, or more Oline help.
The rest is depth so its hard to argue with much since its impossible to tell who will pan out. It will be a good draft if 2 of these guys are on the roster in 3 years. i DO like the Hill pick in the 7th.
Final grade - 1st day: C
Second day - 2nd day: B, but only because I think passing on Brown and Barber for Fuller was a large error
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Well, my original assessment of Day 1 was based on me thinking they took the wrong guy in round 1, overpaid for a guy in round 2, and then spent two round 3 picks on guys that may never pan out. Seems like no value at all to me.I have since resolved myself that Jones is probably better than I am giving him credit for, Roos was probably the best OT on the board at that juncture, but the WRS still bother me.From Terrible to C+ (rounding the 2 together) in retrospect? That strikes me as the classic, "They're bastards but they're OUT bastards" situation.I've warmed up to the guys they selected a lilttle, but I'm still not overwhelmed.
If Adam Jones ends up being a good corner, then so be it. Its hardly worth splitting hairs over a 1st round pick that clearly was high on many many boards.
Roos....hm. Its pretty clear by now that a lot of people (myself included) were a bit off on their OT rankings. That said, I can't help but wonder if another Corner at that point or another trade down would have bore more fruit. If he ends up as a solid Tackle, like they obviously think he can be, then great. I'm just a little suprised by what I think was uncharactersitic overspending.
Roby....eh.
Jones...eh x 2. Strikes me as similar to a dozen other WRs that pop up in every draft. Truthfully, looking back at it, I think there was some nice value at Oline and especially CB still on the board at this point (Mathis, Wilson, Green).
Fuller . I think that Elton Brown and Marion Barber would have been MUCH better selections here. NOt that there is a problem with Fuller per se, just that he strikes me as being painfully raw. I think that the idea is to get Fuller to be in the rotation at Safety and be deep depth at CB. Maybe they can coach him up to pay off. If so, then
Stewart is a nice pick, but I worry about his range. If the long term plan is to have Roos at LT and Stewart at RT, I can see it working out. I actually like the Stewart pick for the most part.
Williams was a nice pick, but he makes me wish we'd passed on Jones earlier and selected another Corner, an RB, or more Oline help.
The rest is depth so its hard to argue with much since its impossible to tell who will pan out. It will be a good draft if 2 of these guys are on the roster in 3 years. i DO like the Hill pick in the 7th.
Final grade - 1st day: C
Second day - 2nd day: B, but only because I think passing on Brown and Barber for Fuller was a large error
Colin
diesel7982
Footballguy
I feel the same. Williams, Jones, Roby, in that order.
Fisher's Mullett
Footballguy
I like Colin had some questions about the early selections but the Titans draft record during the Fisher/Reese era speaks for itself and I trust their judgement. As far as who is behind C Brown here is a few things to remember:
1. It is a contract year, so that alone has magical healing powers that will produce 320+ carries.
2. Troy Fleming can be effective IMO spelling Brown at Tailback
3. I was in Nashville Friday night and who did I see having dinner at Ruth Chris steakhouse ..... Mr McNair, Drew Bennett and one Eddie George. Love Eddie still - great leader!!
On top of this the Titans just announced via Titans Official Website: They have agreed to terms with a whopping 36 unrestricted FA's!!!!! I can guarentee you that at least a few of these guys end up being solid players and making the team this year. The titans strategy this year clearly is to just throw a bunch of junk on the wall, and see what sticks. I personally like this "shotgun" approach. Once we get all of our drafted players and undrafted FA signings to camp and get them competing against each other we will find out real quick who's got what it takes. The competition will be mind-boggling in camp this year. I love It!!!My personal Favorites:Reyes- RB- SyracuseNASHVILLE, TN, April 25, 2005 - The Tennessee Titans announced that they have agreed to terms with the following undrafted free-agents: WR Jason Anderson - Wake Forest RB Charles Anthony - Tennessee State LB Brian Atkinson - Northern Illinois DE Todd Bates - Alabama QB Shane Boyd - Kentucky WR Chris Bush - Tulane WR Vincent Cartwright - Houston DT Brandon Dabdoub - Colorado WR Ellis Debrow - Delta State FB Jimmy Dixon - Georgia Tech FB Robert Douglas - Memphis LB Nigel Eldridge - Alabama-Birmingham OL Mike Erickson - Nebraska QB Gino Guidugli - Cincinnati TE Ben Hall - Clemson CB Antoine Harris - Louisville LB Travis Harris - Florida DB Sindey Haugabrook - Delaware S Jamacia Jackson - South Carolina RB Terry Jackson - Southern Illinois WR Earvin Johnson - UNLV RB Corey Larkins - Tennessee DE Karlton Neal - Tennessee WR Alonzo Nix - Chattanooga QB Marcus Randall - LSU RB Walter Reyes - Syracuse T Stefan Rodgers - Lambuth C Joel Rodriguez - Miami-Fl. LB Robert Rodriguez - Texas-El Paso G Will Rogers - Mississippi State WR O.J. Small - Florida DE Kenneth Smith - Benedict College TE Jimmy St. Louis - Murray State CB Kevin Timothee - Florida International DT Marcus White - Murray State DE Alton Wright - Miami-Fl.
JohnnyTitan
Footballguy
I don't know if I like this too much.1) It seems like a bit of a slap-in-the-face to these guys. I'm sure they told them all that everyone will get a shot, and I believe they were genuine. But I mean come on. If you have four or five spots and invite 12 guys to compete with them, that's cool. But if you have those same spots and invite 36? Doesn't seem like each player really has a chance.
2) It kinda makes the Titans seem like clowns. Like they can't evaluate talent, they just need to invite everyone and take a look. Couldn't they get it down to a reasonable number? I mean 7 more WRs? Aren't they smart enough to figure out the three or four whom have a shot?
3) What does being drafted in the 5th / 6th / 7th by the Titans even mean now? Makes these picks essentially FA signings as well....hope their families aren't too excited as they are very likely to be cut. (Last year 12 of 13 made the team or practice squad).
Don't get me wrong...I can't see how this can make the Titans a worse football club. It oozes competition and I do think they will get the desired results. I have no doubt, and full confidence in thir F/O to make excellent decisions from here on in. I just think it makes the Titans look Mickey Mouse and it kinda seems like cheating. But who knows, maybe mroe teams take this approach next year?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Most teams sign a ton of UDFAs. Do you realize how many undrafted players there are? 1. It gives these guys a chance, which is all it takes for some of them.
2. Even if they end up getting cut - which will happen to most of them - they can get a few grand in their pockets which is more than they'd get if they said "scroo it, I'm going to go find a job."
COlin
Chitown Mole
Footballguy
Casserly was on the radio this morning and said the Texans had the WR's the Titans picked all rated pretty highly. He said that he considered each of them to have NFL talents and will stick.
I personally think you are reading into it a little too much. These kids have dreamed their whole lives of playing in the NFL. Just signing this agreement is a huge milestone for them. They can now say they "played in the NFL". Obviously, since we signed so many of these guys compared to other teams, it shows me that not only do we like them, but that they like the oppurtunity here in Tennesse over some some of the other options they had as well. Fact is that we have a very young football team with a lot of holes. I also would not be suprised at all to see the Titans cut a few more established players (1, 2 or 3 years with the titans) if some of these youngsters prove to be both better and cheaper.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Love the signing of Corey Larkins from UT. He's versatile and was misused his entire time here at UT. Might be able to stick.
I actually think TEN draft was pretty good...would I give them an A? No but at worst a C+. They filled a big time need at CB and I like AJones. Roos is a better than average tackle and I like their Roy Williams pick!The only thing I would say is that TEN gets a good amount of draft picks and they just don't seem like they can hit that home run yet where most pan out. Time will only tell this year.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
Now that the season is over and we've seen some of the rookies on the field it should be time to reevaluate the draft.Being geographically challenged I've not been able to see any Titans games this year at all but it seems to me that most of the players picked this year at one time or other have received praise. Brandon Jones, Reynaldo Hill and Bo Scaife probably more than most. I don't remember seeing anything on Nash though but IIRC he got injured early.Chime in, Titans homers
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Can any homers elaborate on what the deal with Pacman is? I own this guy in a dynasty and am wondering what his legal prognosis is.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
Michael Roos, Brandon Jones, Reynaldo Hill, Vincent Fuller, Bo Scaife -- ALL look like solid NFL players with much promise. I think those players make it a very solid draft class. Fuller showed tremendous promise as a FS and I think he'll start there next year. Roby and Roydell are solid NFL WRs, though not #1 like Jones can be.PacMan -- 1. His athletic prowess is undisputable. I think his ability justified the #6 pick. 2. If he doesn't grow up QUICKLY, as in the next 6 months, he may never get a chance in Tennessee. Not quite like Maurice Claret, but he shows the potential for wasting it all. 3. Personally, I think when it is all said and done that he gets his stuff together. I hope so.
Nash -- that was a waste and he will not make it.
msommer
Footballguy
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
I don't agree, and it is way too soon to tell, anyway.None of the guys drafted in April were the problem at all -- save for Pacman. And his was a problem of attitude and team chemistry, not of NFL ability.ouch. looks like you, Mort, and all those NFL personnel directors whiffed, and Colin nailed it.Interesting.
I think the Titans have had a great draft, Mort thinks they had the best draft, and several NFL personnel directors agree.
On the contrary, I believe firmly that Roos, Jones, Fuller, Scaife, Roydell, and Hill MORE than justified their draft position and in most cases justify a much higher pick now especially Hill, Scaife, and Roos.
Now, Nash is a bust.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Eh...I actually feel a little better since I realize Pacman is probably a better choice than the other two guys they might have picked - Rolle or BMW. Frankly, no one in the next 10 picks looks like they'd have been a decidedly better choice than Jones. That said, I don't see it working in Tennessee. I know it's one year, but that's a tough locker room to build respect in, even with longtime fixtures like Mason, Rolle, and George long gone. I think Roos will be useful. I don't know if he'll be an anchor lineman, but if he can start for the next few years before becoming a "billionaire" in free agency (LOL), that's cool.The WRs I was off on. They should make Calico expendable. Scaife will make Kinney expendable, but I'm not sure I see the value in that. Nash is a miss. Fuller and HIll though should be useful Defensive players for a few years, so thats good.Colin
bigreese82
Footballguy
The real problem with the Titans' secondary was the lack of playmaking ability from the safety and nickleback positions. Pac looks like a player if they can get him under control..highly unlikely..he truly is a thug. I've met him a couple of times and from seeing him in local clubs...he is a thug. Hill will be a good #2cb. Tank Williams came back from injury at less than 90% and it showed. Lamont Thompson showed why he was cut by the BengalsThe Titans have a nice nucleus building at the DL: Haynesworth Starks,Vanden Bosch, and one of the 3 rookie DE from last year is a strong basePete Sirmon also came back early and it showed from him also.I would like to see the Titans select AJ Hawk in the first round to help sew up the front 7 and grab the second or third best Safety in the second round
Jag FoamHead
Footballguy
Also, just gotta love that PacMan attitude... :X2.09 - Traded down and ended up with someone who wasn't in any top-100 that I've seen. PLUS, Khalif Barnes was still on the board. Taking Roos might be a god pick eventually, but he's at least a year away from even being remotely worth putting on the field. I have no idea how they passed on Barnes. Even if they didn't want Barnes, I wouold have rather seen Adam Terry, Matt ROth, DAn Cody, or a 3rd tier WR. Instead, we got an OT that would have beenthere in round 3. Greeeeat.
And us Jags thank you very much for Khalif...he has been a starter now and a boost to the running game.
In short, I see that the Titans, my beloved Titans, ended up with a CB that will be overwhelmed a minimum of 4 games a year (Colts x 2, Andre Johnson x 2), an offensive tackle that could have been had a round later, and 2 WRs that are neither special nor pro-ready...
Not to mention the M. Jones/Wilford/R. Williams trio...all 6'-3" plus.
Colin
diesel7982
Footballguy
Well...obviously.
