So Favre gets credited with a come from behind victory vs Ravens (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Seems like these come from behind victory stats are really reaching. I read an article a while back stating that many of these stats are things like 3 passes, no completions, field goal. And he gets credit for that.

Last weekend was a great example. Hauschka misses the field goal and on ESPN this week they are stating how Brett led his team from behind to win. So does any QB with a win count under this scenario? What if the Defense gets a pick 6 to seal it? Do they still get the stat?

 

[socrates]

What am I missing? Of course Brett Favre gets credit for engineering a comeback drive in the waning minutes of the game to recapture the lead. Why shouldn't he? Are you suggesting Favre's comeback should be negated because the Ravens failed to score again?

 

[Stinger Ray]

even sho nuff wouldn't reach like this!

 

[thatguy]

I am curious, actually, as to what constitutes a come from behind victory. Typically it is worded as player x has led y "game winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime." So I guess, any time your team is losing at any point in the fourth quarter, and you quarterback a drive that puts your team ahead, and that score leads to the win, you get a come from behind victory. Pretty loosely worded, and certainly not all game winning drives are created equal, but over time this still gives us a solid idea of which QBs are "clutch".

 

[Stinger Ray]

What am I missing?

Sabertooth is a Favre hater.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Classic.....the Favre haters have been silent for weeks and this is the best they can come up!

 

[Phase of the Game]

What am I missing? Of course Brett Favre gets credit for engineering a comeback drive in the waning minutes of the game to recapture the lead. Why shouldn't he? Are you suggesting Favre's comeback should be negated because the Ravens failed to score again?

This

 

[VTjkru]

While I think this is a reach it didnt stop people from saying that Rodgers didnt have any come from behind victories last year.

 

[Phase of the Game]

While I think this is a reach it didnt stop people from saying that Rodgers didnt have any come from behind victories last year.

That is because he didn't.

 

[thatguy]

I am curious, actually, as to what constitutes a come from behind victory. Typically it is worded as player x has led y "game winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime." So I guess, any time your team is losing at any point in the fourth quarter, and you quarterback a drive that puts your team ahead, and that score leads to the win, you get a come from behind victory. Pretty loosely worded, and certainly not all game winning drives are created equal, but over time this still gives us a solid idea of which QBs are "clutch".

Actually, the more I think about, I think it's "the last 5 minutes of the fourth quarter, or overtime", which makes more sense.

 

[jobarules]

its not like favre plays defense

 

[Phurfur]

This one is pretty easy. If Favre does lead that drive Minn. loses.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Didn't Favre connect on a huge pass to Sidney Rice that put them in FG position after the defense gave up the lead?

 

[Phase of the Game]

Didn't Favre connect on a huge pass to Sidney Rice that put them in FG position after the defense gave up the lead?

Yes he did.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

So, you're saying that a quarterback should ONLY get credit for a "come from behind victory" when the game-winning play happens with no time left on the clock?

After all, the other team could theoretically score on the ensuing kickoff......

 

[VTjkru]

While I think this is a reach it didnt stop people from saying that Rodgers didnt have any come from behind victories last year.

That is because he didn't.

Because the other team scored again?That's the point of the OP, had the other teams not screwed up so badly they wouldnt have been "come from behind wins." Rodgers didnt get that benefit last year.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

While I think this is a reach it didnt stop people from saying that Rodgers didnt have any come from behind victories last year.

That is because he didn't.

Because the other team scored again?That's the point of the OP, had the other teams not screwed up so badly they wouldnt have been "come from behind wins." Rodgers didnt get that benefit last year.

there are other stats that just focus on how many 4th quarter drives a QB has led that gave his team a lead (or tie). perhaps that's a better measure for QBs since the defense controls whether the lead holds up or not.

 

[Phase of the Game]

While I think this is a reach it didnt stop people from saying that Rodgers didnt have any come from behind victories last year.

That is because he didn't.

Because the other team scored again?That's the point of the OP, had the other teams not screwed up so badly they wouldnt have been "come from behind wins." Rodgers didnt get that benefit last year.

That isn't the point of the OP. The OP hates Favre. The fact is that Rodgers didn't have a come from behind win last year. Yes, he did put the team in a position to win a few times but no victories came from it unfortunately. He also threw some INTs to end the game when trying to win the it.You and sho can spin all you want about Rodgers last year but the fact is that he didn't have any come from behind wins. It was nice to see him get that monkey off his back against the Bears this season.

 

[DrJ]

While I think this is a reach it didnt stop people from saying that Rodgers didnt have any come from behind victories last year.

That is because he didn't.

Because the other team scored again?That's the point of the OP, had the other teams not screwed up so badly they wouldnt have been "come from behind wins." Rodgers didnt get that benefit last year.

there are other stats that just focus on how many 4th quarter drives a QB has led that gave his team a lead (or tie). perhaps that's a better measure for QBs since the defense controls whether the lead holds up or not.

Nah, that's not a good measure. Jay Cutler's lead one of those in every game except the Lions game this season and he's a no talent loser.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

4th quarter come backs seem to be only talked about with Brett lately (although i have not watched any vikings games this year).

One thing i have heard a few times for the younger QBs is game winning drives.

DO you think this is the new 4th quater come back? is there any difference?

In my mind two Qbs in the same game could have 4th Q come backs due to the lead changing a few times

There was a thread around here with a link to all Bretts 4th Q come backs and how many that may not have been attributed to him. If we aplly the game winning drives to Brett would it change that statistic for him?

 

[DrJ]

You guys can credit the Broncos public relations staff for the loose definition of comeback win:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/08/08/dan-mar...-comeback-king/

This is probably why they call them game winning drives now - because when your team is tied and you lead a scoring drive it isn't really a comeback.

 

[Enforcer]

So I'm wondering....

How many times did Favre lead his team down the field only to have his own kicker miss the game winning FG? Somehow I'm guessing this stat would balance itself out in the long run.

 

[MOAT]

Feel free to deduct that one from your Game Winning Drives total if you'd prefer. I hope you feel better. It doesn't change the fact that Favre is a HOF QB and he was instrumental in the 4th quarter in the Vikings' win on Sunday.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

What happens when the game winning drive doesnt include a pass?

I think that happenned in the Car Tb game last week

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

What happens when the game winning drive doesnt include a pass?I think that happenned in the Car Tb game last week

15 of 16 plays were runs on that drive, IIRC.clutch game-winning drive for Delhomme.