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So, Haden covers whom? (1 Viewer)

Gawain

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At this point in time Marshall and Jeffrey are auto starts for every team that has them.

However, Haden has shown he can do a damn fine job against any WR in the league.

Does he stick to one side?

Cover Marshall exclusively (making Jeffrey even better)?

Cover Jeffrey exclusively (who looks like the #1 on the team at the moment.)

If Haden is going to be on one of them, do you think about not starting Marshall or Jeffrey?

 
Don't think it matters at this point. He can only cover one and the Bears have shown they can utilize both Marshall and Alshon. Good question though because I am looking forward to the matchup.

 
Typo in your subject line. The correct spelling is "who cares?"
Come back in three days. Should have a pretty good list by then.

I think Hayden covers Alshon. Only because he seems to be catching everything. Marshall still drops about 35% of every pass thrown to him.

 
marshall has caught 84 of 132

jeffrey has caught 75 of 127

marshall has a slightly higher percentage (63.63-59.05)

 
marshall has caught 84 of 132

jeffrey has caught 75 of 127

marshall has a slightly higher percentage (63.63-59.05)
Anyone that has watched Bears games all season can see that Jeffrey has gotten stronger and is catching everything. Marshall is still the same.

I hope they do put Hayden on Marshall. I own Jeffrey.

 
Double or safety over the top on Alshon, Hayden on Marshall. Both will make plays here and there but they won't be scoring 45.

 
It will be Marshall. Marshall will own him none the less. Marshall used to own Revis in his prime when Revis was with Jets and Marshall was with Fins.

 
Typo in your subject line. The correct spelling is "who cares?"
Come back in three days. Should have a pretty good list by then.

I think Hayden covers Alshon. Only because he seems to be catching everything. Marshall still drops about 35% of every pass thrown to him.
Didn't literally mean that no one cares. Just that it doesn't really matter. Haden is good, but he's not Revis-in-his-prime shutdown. And both Bears WRs are playing really well right now. Would not be surprised if either or both have great games.

Also, think of it from Cleveland's perspective. Their goal is not to use Haden to shut down one WR, their goal is to shut down the Bears' offense. And if they limit Marshall but Jeffrey goes wild, or vice versa, or if they commit everything to stopping the pass and Forte runs through the secondary, that doesn't help them. The fact that the Bears have two good WRs in itself makes Haden Island less likely.

 
I'm hoping it's Jeffrey, as I own Marshall, but this is a good question. From my understanding he covers the #1, which would be Marshall.

 
Haden's good, but he's over rated anyway. Both of the Bears WR's are must starts barring a weather catastrophe.

 
I hope they do try to put Marshall on Haden island. Haden is very good, but he's not going to shut down Marshall completely. My guess is CLE will rotate their coverages to try to keep CHI off balance.

 
Haden's good, but he's over rated anyway.
After 10 games...

The Cleveland Browns have played 10 games this season, and they acknowledge Haden has covered the other team’s best receiver.Based on practical assessment, those would be A.J. Green twice, Torrey Smith twice, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Calvin Johnson, Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe.

In the 10 games, those players had 6.8 passes thrown their way. They made 3.6 catches, for 37.2 yards with a single touchdown (to Nelson).

As a whole, that groups averages 9.0 targets, 5.1 catches and 77.1 yards with 35 touchdowns against the rest of the league.

Haden limits the best group of receivers the Browns have faced to 25 percent fewer targets, almost 30 percent fewer yards and 20 percent fewer touchdowns.
Yeah, he sucks.

 
Haden's good, but he's over rated anyway.
After 10 games...

The Cleveland Browns have played 10 games this season, and they acknowledge Haden has covered the other team’s best receiver.Based on practical assessment, those would be A.J. Green twice, Torrey Smith twice, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Calvin Johnson, Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe.

In the 10 games, those players had 6.8 passes thrown their way. They made 3.6 catches, for 37.2 yards with a single touchdown (to Nelson).

As a whole, that groups averages 9.0 targets, 5.1 catches and 77.1 yards with 35 touchdowns against the rest of the league.

Haden limits the best group of receivers the Browns have faced to 25 percent fewer targets, almost 30 percent fewer yards and 20 percent fewer touchdowns.
Yeah, he sucks.
I say he's good and you reply by saying I said he sucks.

That's rich.

 
Haden's good, but he's over rated anyway.
After 10 games...

The Cleveland Browns have played 10 games this season, and they acknowledge Haden has covered the other team’s best receiver.Based on practical assessment, those would be A.J. Green twice, Torrey Smith twice, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Calvin Johnson, Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe.

In the 10 games, those players had 6.8 passes thrown their way. They made 3.6 catches, for 37.2 yards with a single touchdown (to Nelson).

As a whole, that groups averages 9.0 targets, 5.1 catches and 77.1 yards with 35 touchdowns against the rest of the league.

Haden limits the best group of receivers the Browns have faced to 25 percent fewer targets, almost 30 percent fewer yards and 20 percent fewer touchdowns.
Yeah, he sucks.
I don't think he sucks, but that quote is cherry picking stats. I'm not putting A. Brown in the category of those other guys, but he did pretty well against Haden in their matchup. Interesting that his name was left off the list.

 
Haden's good, but he's over rated anyway.
After 10 games...

The Cleveland Browns have played 10 games this season, and they acknowledge Haden has covered the other team’s best receiver.Based on practical assessment, those would be A.J. Green twice, Torrey Smith twice, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Calvin Johnson, Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe.

In the 10 games, those players had 6.8 passes thrown their way. They made 3.6 catches, for 37.2 yards with a single touchdown (to Nelson).

As a whole, that groups averages 9.0 targets, 5.1 catches and 77.1 yards with 35 touchdowns against the rest of the league.

Haden limits the best group of receivers the Browns have faced to 25 percent fewer targets, almost 30 percent fewer yards and 20 percent fewer touchdowns.
Yeah, he sucks.
Funny that you cut off your analysis at Week 10. Since then he shut down Green again, but gave up 6/92/1 to Antonio Brown and 6/64/1 to Shorts (not sure who he was covering in the NE game, but both Edelman and Amendola scored).

Like I said, he's good, but not auto-shutdown the way Revis used to be. And he hasn't played a team with two WRs like Marshall/Jeffrey.

 
Haden's good, but he's over rated anyway.
After 10 games...

The Cleveland Browns have played 10 games this season, and they acknowledge Haden has covered the other team’s best receiver.Based on practical assessment, those would be A.J. Green twice, Torrey Smith twice, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Calvin Johnson, Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe.

In the 10 games, those players had 6.8 passes thrown their way. They made 3.6 catches, for 37.2 yards with a single touchdown (to Nelson).

As a whole, that groups averages 9.0 targets, 5.1 catches and 77.1 yards with 35 touchdowns against the rest of the league.

Haden limits the best group of receivers the Browns have faced to 25 percent fewer targets, almost 30 percent fewer yards and 20 percent fewer touchdowns.
Yeah, he sucks.
Funny that you cut off your analysis at Week 10. Since then he shut down Green again, but gave up 6/92/1 to Antonio Brown and 6/64/1 to Shorts (not sure who he was covering in the NE game, but both Edelman and Amendola scored).

Like I said, he's good, but not auto-shutdown the way Revis used to be. And he hasn't played a team with two WRs like Marshall/Jeffrey.
Both Brown and Shorts TD's were off blown coverage by Haden too. Shorts was just a horrendous decision, I don't know what happened in the Brown play - he just let him jog right by him.

He's a good corner, but any talk of benching receivers matched up vs. him is just crazy. He's not Sherman or pre knee injury Revis.

 
zftcg said:
wadegarrett said:
MAC_32 said:
Haden's good, but he's over rated anyway.
After 10 games...

The Cleveland Browns have played 10 games this season, and they acknowledge Haden has covered the other team’s best receiver.Based on practical assessment, those would be A.J. Green twice, Torrey Smith twice, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Calvin Johnson, Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe.

In the 10 games, those players had 6.8 passes thrown their way. They made 3.6 catches, for 37.2 yards with a single touchdown (to Nelson).

As a whole, that groups averages 9.0 targets, 5.1 catches and 77.1 yards with 35 touchdowns against the rest of the league.

Haden limits the best group of receivers the Browns have faced to 25 percent fewer targets, almost 30 percent fewer yards and 20 percent fewer touchdowns.
Yeah, he sucks.
Funny that you cut off your analysis at Week 10. Since then he shut down Green again, but gave up 6/92/1 to Antonio Brown and 6/64/1 to Shorts (not sure who he was covering in the NE game, but both Edelman and Amendola scored).

Like I said, he's good, but not auto-shutdown the way Revis used to be. And he hasn't played a team with two WRs like Marshall/Jeffrey.
Steeler said:
wadegarrett said:
MAC_32 said:
Haden's good, but he's over rated anyway.
After 10 games...

The Cleveland Browns have played 10 games this season, and they acknowledge Haden has covered the other team’s best receiver.Based on practical assessment, those would be A.J. Green twice, Torrey Smith twice, Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Calvin Johnson, Stevie Johnson, Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe.

In the 10 games, those players had 6.8 passes thrown their way. They made 3.6 catches, for 37.2 yards with a single touchdown (to Nelson).

As a whole, that groups averages 9.0 targets, 5.1 catches and 77.1 yards with 35 touchdowns against the rest of the league.

Haden limits the best group of receivers the Browns have faced to 25 percent fewer targets, almost 30 percent fewer yards and 20 percent fewer touchdowns.
Yeah, he sucks.
I don't think he sucks, but that quote is cherry picking stats. I'm not putting A. Brown in the category of those other guys, but he did pretty well against Haden in their matchup. Interesting that his name was left off the list.
Not my analysis...was conducted by someone else after week 10. Like I said.

Regardless...Haden has been playing at a Pro Bowl level all season long. No one can dispute that. Pretty much my point all along.

 
Not my analysis...was conducted by someone else after week 10. Like I said.

Regardless...Haden has been playing at a Pro Bowl level all season long. No one can dispute that. Pretty much my point all along.
Haden's level of play boils down to one thing this weekend; would you sit Marshall or Jeffery against him, and I think most people will be starting him.

 

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